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Yes, yes I know the benefits of ROM's but man there are really getting on my tits.
I am fed up of things not working, the 'phone locking up, for what some battery and performance improvements that I don't even notice in day to day use.
My DHD admittedly ran better with Lee's and Mikes ROM's, my Sensation ran better in stock and every ROM I have tried have so many issues it's unreal.
If u dnt like the roms, don't use it!!! Haha
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I've had no serious issues using custom roms on my sensation. Definitely happy I upgraded from the desire hd.
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It may take a little patience, but it is definitely worth it on some of the ROMs. I have been sticking with Mike's ROMs and couldn't be happier. His latest 3.6.1 has been running flawless for me and many others. I guess you just have to find one you enjoy and keep looking back until it is completely daily stable.
Ops post is quite painful to read an I'm not even a dev, but I guess I understand where he is coming from. But op what you don't realize is that people who post roms go through a ton of work to get to where they are. Believe it or not but I'd go as far as to say that the devs for my phone (motorola milestone v1) know more about the phone than the group of developers from motorola.
Op, I'll dumb it down a little for you, if you need a stable phone stick with what it was when you pulled it out of the box. But if you wish to go a on an epic journey filled with ups and downs of situations where you'll sit there with a huge smile across your face, stick around, thank the devs for the gift they have given you, and if at all possible learn a thing or two while you enjoy your stay.
~PsyCl0ne
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The only thing keeping me away from Custom ROMS is the poor audio quality when video recording...
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There are a number of ROMs that are plenty stable. You just have to find the right ones. I'm on CoreDroid 2.4 which has proven to be as stable as stock for me. Don't be surprised if a ROM you run that isn't on stock kernel and runs hacked Sense 3.5 isn't stable.
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Don't get me wrong I appreciate all the work the dev's put in, I have only used Virtuous, Leedroid and Android HD but I have never had an install without some issue. Then the next version comes out and you have a different set of issues it's just so frustrating.
Witj bulletproof 1.4 (not the 3.5 version) i've had literally no issues.
Pork on the fork...
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Don't get me wrong I appreciate all the work the dev's put in, I have only used Virtuous, Leedroid and Android HD but I have never had an install without some issue. Then the next version comes out and you have a different set of issues it's just so frustrating.
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User error, PEBKAC, etc.
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User error, PEBKAC, etc.
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Oh because I make a thread bemoaning the woes of using custom ROM's I must be an imbecile and all ROM's get released with no bugs and other issues?
Using mikes 3.6.1... Its rock stable and fast for me
He's releasing 3.6.2 soon. Look out for it. Comes with faux's new kernel
Sensational
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1098849
happy so far and my phone is usually glued to my hand
I am considering this stuff with Roms as a hobby and there is no such a thing as a flawless product anywhere...
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{LCD}Stelios said:
Oh because I make a thread bemoaning the woes of using custom ROM's I must be an imbecile and all ROM's get released with no bugs and other issues?
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No such thing as a bug free ROM, not even stock
OP, try insert coin, a 2.3.4 version (latest is 2.5.5 ver2 w/ bricked kernel) its the best ive used to date, with frequent use, i get 1 day battery life, and with average-minimal use, i get 2 days battery life. no crashes, reboots or sense reloads, 200mb free ram (unless you use a custom theme).
while i would have agreed with the op when dev first started, this is no longer the case anymore. the devs have learned A LOT about this phone, and its builds and have only gotten so much better with time.
the main reason ppl come to XDA is so they CAN flash many, many roms to see what suits them. when i had my HD2 i was a certified flashaholic, new rom every 3 days to a week
with this fone ive settled down quite a bit, but when i new rom/dev comes along, i nand backup, flash the new rom, let it settle and then try it out for a few days and actually give it a chance.
Custom ROMs are fun because there are so many out there, and you can spend time with each one to determine which one fits your needs. If you're looking for a phone that is stable, just use the one that's been working the best for you and improvise, fixing what needs to be fixed so that your phone can do what you require of it.
Using Android Revolution HD 3.6.2 and its stable for me, had more issues with stock ROM.
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Hey.
I've been on jb roms since they came out for desire s and have been using ics before that. However... ics roms have been in beta stage since ever and have not really advanced in terms of having stable or even working main functions. Well this is because of the fact that our devs did not have kernel sources. There have been words that kernel source release would solve all our major issues like front cam and others. But kernel source has been released and I'm seeing a decline in our forum's traffic and in development. I know i's partly due to many original members leaving. But I also hear that devs are facing difficulty in making the kernel. So I want to ask, will we ever have fully stable ics or jb roms or is this not a possibility?
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Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM, AKOP and JB source build threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!
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Sorry for the tone, but this is a pretty pointless thread (IMO) there are already several others in a similar vein that exist and as we don't have a time machine and can't see into the future....although speculation appears to what the majority of threads contains these days....
This is now unfortunately an old device and as you rightly pointed out lots of the forums previous users have moved on to bigger and better new devices so the forum traffic was always bound to fall. We still have several devs that are developing for this device so don't do them a dis-service by suggesting that no progress has been made. Just look at the CM and AKOP threads for examples.....
Since the release of the kernel source - progress has certainly been made, just look at the tweaked kernel we can now use, in which we are now able to UV & OC not to mention that the wifi tether issues are now resolved... everything takes time, so be patient....or learn to code yourself and help out!
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I fully understand the devs' hard work and their dedications. That's not what this thread is asking. It seems to many devs that they are still having a hard time adjusting ics and jb to our device even upon kernel source release. Despite the prior speculation that things would be much easier with kernel source. So I was bringing the problem forth to see if it is possible for us to have stable ics or jb roms. No need to be all defensive. Just want an objective discussion
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custom roms are rearly FULLY stable. there is always a little bug here and there. but since the release of the official ICS and the latest kernel source ICS roms are getting mature at last. and if you're still not satisfied, wait a month more. or flash the official ICS and have a really stable rom now.
JB is another story. there is no native kernel source for it and i doubt there will ever be.
I totally see where you are both coming from. The kernel source was released over a fortnight ago.
I agree with Ben, in respect we should appreciate what the current devs have given us etc etc,
But I also agree with skim, I am quite surprised that with the kernel source released, AOSP still hasn't got a functional kernel based on our Saga build. (Andromadus is using a kernel port)
I was hoping for at least ICS AOSP to be working by now, but I guess that is not the case
The forums have certainly gone a lot quieter now, and I suspect by the end of the year, even more of us will leave
But back to the original point, I wish that things could pick up like they were this time last year, but sadly that will never happen.
I have no intentions of insulting any devs, I truly appreciate the work they have provided us, and I haven't contributed anything particularly useful, so I am in no position to do so, but this is just how I feel.
When I look through forums like the S2, I envy the development... even after a year, ROMs are still on full scale, with so many choices to choose from...
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Unfortunately Oly I don't think that you can compare the DS to the SGS2. We unfortunately were never a main stream device (like the SGS2), we sadly missed the boat, with the Sensation coming out shortly after our release, I reckon that the focus went from DHD to Sensation and the limelight never really shone on us long enough to get a main stream following.
The Samsung onslaught appears to unbeatable currently sadly even the One series hasn't really made a dent.
We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
P.S.
For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Well, that was philosophical!
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Skanob said:
We must all accept the inevitable that our device (Desire S) is by fact outdated with the phase of how fast mobile technology comes. That said, sooner or later, our thread will surely die.
It is with great appreciation that our devs are prolonging the inevitable. Most will surely be having new devices comes these coming months. I too will be leaving the scene as a new device is surely coming at hand in two months time.
Everything in our life changes. One must be oblige to flow with it. If not, one will be left alone and at lost.
P.S.
For an answer for the OP. THERE WILL BE a stable JB/ICS ROM as long as a dev will be willing to still work on it. If not, then THERE WILL BE NOT.
Long answer short: we will never know unless there will be one.
Moral of this post: learn to accept the truth that you have to move on to a new device if you really want to have a stable up-to-date ROM, even past JB.
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Haha I don't know about you man... but I'm a student and learning to move on to a new device is not as easy as it sounds. I'm stuck with a contract until next April. So ill be sticking around here till then xD
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I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...
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I think custom roms have advantages, but it's not easy for the devs to make them perfect.
If i compare the stock ROM of x10mini/pro with custom cm6/7 ROM, the stock ROM sucks...
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htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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At the moment i'm using stock rom (sense) too, cause my prefered custom rom has still a problem with battery drain...
As soon this is fixed, i'll go to ICS DS again...
But at all, the ICS stock rom is working very nice...
Fallout v4.4.0 is pretty stable to me, been using since a while now.
Tonight i'll try Fallout 5.0, let's see how it is... :highfive:
MIUI 2.8.x or 2.9.x
I recently flashed MIUI 2.8.17 and its been a joyful ride! It is very very stable. I had to reboot only once so far and that is an intermittent bug. BT/WiFi/Tethering/Camera etc. etc. everything works! (hard to find that in an ICS ROM)! Its my daily ROM now.. :good:
Fallout 5.0
I got myself S-off and rooted 2 days ago.
The first custom rom Ive tried is Fallout 5.0. Only one day into my test and it's very stable and fast compared to stock gingerbread.
I'm very pleased with it so far :good:
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htc stock rom ( sense ) , indeed, the best stock of all android. I've been using samsung, motorola and sony, but nothing is better than sense.
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My Gingerbread stock rom experience made me root my phone. I kept getting the white screen with the green HTC logo and no matter what I did it always came back. I have now tried out about 5 or 6 custom roms and this issue no longer appears. Of course there are other issues, some of which are serious. But there are ROMs which are in general more than good enough for day to day usage. I currently use ICE-DSv5 but for example Fallout v4.4 is stable (v5 is not stable for me but it is for a lot of people).
If you are interested you can look at my other thread here called "My First Rooted Phone" for an overview of my experiences so far.
Blindbean and Codename are great JB roms, not fully stable, but good to work with.
Yes. I flash every recent roms so I know how they are. I started this thread to get an idea of if it is possible to have a stable rom. The devs have been struggling with major bugs since early this year and we're still stuck with the same bugs we had prior to the release of the kernel sources. I do know it is a difficult process. But wanted an answer from a dev. Is it possible for us to have working front cam, proper video playback, etc. ? This isn't complaining btw just wanted an answer other than "be patient. Be thankful. It's good enough"
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if you want stable flash rooted stock. it has everything you mentioned. combine it with tweaked kernel and you have even more...
I cant tell you what a breathe of fresh air it is not having random reboots, or the temptation to FLASH FLASH FLASH new roms every other two weeks, or force closes, or any of the other issues that arise from running roms that are not stock...Sure, there are far less customizations and tweaks, but the battery life is phenomenal, phone is fairly fast, sense is nice, the only thing I would take away would be the at&t bloatware and the keyboard absolutely blows, swiftkey3 takes care of that though!
Cheers.
Sigh.
While I found myself telling my girlfriend this yesterday, how it was nice to not be worried about updating my rom every night and trying out multiple kernels and all that, but in reality I am just in denial and craving so bad for it I have to think negative to even survive P)
I have had the phone 3 days and LOVE it but without root IDK how long I can stand it. Thinking about trading for a S3 just for root and there are no other good alternatives.
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I cant tell you what a breathe of fresh air it is not having random reboots, or the temptation to FLASH FLASH FLASH new roms every other two weeks, or force closes, or any of the other issues that arise from running roms that are not stock...Sure, there are far less customizations and tweaks, but the battery life is phenomenal, phone is fairly fast, sense is nice, the only thing I would take away would be the at&t bloatware and the keyboard absolutely blows, swiftkey3 takes care of that though!
Cheers.
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I wouldn't have the slightest problem being on a stock 2.20 if only it wasn't for the whole app associations ordeal.
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Enjoying smooth stable experience with great battery life and no FCs here too.
Running ViperXL 1.2.4 FWIW.
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I wouldn't have the slightest problem being on a stock 2.20 if only it wasn't for the whole app associations ordeal.
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I agree with this. I thought the stock software was decent enough to live with, the major exception being the Linkify crap. The battery life was so so at first (on 1.73 and 1.85) but when I flashed CleanROM the battery life improved greatly. I'm not sure if it was due to the jump in the base code or if it's ROM tweaks but its much nicer now.
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I felt the same, I was never able to get the same flawless, smooth experience I had with the 2.20 stock HOX with any of the ROMS/Kernel combinations found in this forum. And since I really like stock but been able to tweak, I moved back to the GS3, I forgot how nice and smooth it is...
That's odd ... I have random reboots on 2.20. I am currently using it unlocked on T-mobile.
i was debloating 2.20 nicely almost custom rom worthy until i found out htclinkify cant be removed so its pretty much a pointless base for a custom rom. too bad cause for me being on at&t it was the most stable and quickest of all for me personally.
I just got my HTC One X, w/ 2.20. Kinda made me mad cause I bought it for root/rom and turns out I got a HTC thats too new.
When I first got the phone I was on 1.85. I didn't root though. I was enjoy the stock experience and I thought if I ever did want to root I always could. Until 2.20 happened. I feel like they took away the freedom I had so now the second a root method comes I'm rooting to CM10 and never looking back.
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I agree about stock being the most reliable user experience. Not that custom ROMs are inherently bad, it's just the small bugs always irritated me and took away the polish from the OS. However, I disagree with you on the lack of root being a good thing. Luckily I changed to SuperCID when I first got the phone so I can still root on 2.20. Without root you're stuck with all the AT&T bloatware and no reliable backups of apps/data. I can do without flashing custom ROMs until we get a stable, feature complete build of CM10, but I need the ability to debloat and backup with Titanium.
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I agree about stock being the most reliable user experience. Not that custom ROMs are inherently bad, it's just the small bugs always irritated me and took away the polish from the OS. However, I disagree with you on the lack of root being a good thing. Luckily I changed to SuperCID when I first got the phone so I can still root on 2.20. Without root you're stuck with all the AT&T bloatware and no reliable backups of apps/data. I can do without flashing custom ROMs until we get a stable, feature complete build of CM10, but I need the ability to debloat and backup with Titanium.
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You should try wcx illuminati Rom...they have we have two versions..one.is stock with all the bloat gone and a few lil tweaks @ speed ...and the.other is the.mod build and it has a few extra mods added...
The roms are rock stable and everything works and not one hick up ever ..plus the battery life is amazing
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You should try wcx illuminati Rom...they have we have two versions..one.is stock with all the bloat gone and a few lil tweaks @ speed ...and the.other is the.mod build and it has a few extra mods added...
The roms are rock stable and everything works and not one hick up ever ..plus the battery life is amazing
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I would love to if they didn't have the irritating minimum post count in order to download.
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ComposMentis said:
I would love to if they didn't have the irritating minimum post count in order to download.
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What's irritating about being apart of the community ...
That's what wrong with the world today ..everyone expects something.for free..the main dev ,wildchild, spends countless hours perfecting his work and makes sure that every user is completely 100% satisfied ..and all that he/we ask is to make a simple 10 post min to contribute to the forum and maybe help someone while your at it..or just share some of you experiences with others..
Some people's sense of entitlement here on xda is outrageously high..
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randong said:
What's irritating about being apart of the community ...
That's what wrong with the world today ..everyone expects something.for free..the main dev ,wildchild, spends countless hours perfecting his work and makes sure that every user is completely 100% satisfied ..and all that he/we ask is to make a simple 10 post min to contribute to the forum and maybe help someone while your at it..or just share some of you experiences with others..
Some people's sense of entitlement here on xda is outrageously high..
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What's irritating about it is that I don't want to be part of yet another "community" for my phone. I don't feel entitled to the ROM, but the fact is it's irritating to me that I would have to put up 10 meaningless posts to download software. I would rather contribute a few dollars to download the ROM than join the community. There are far bigger problems in the world today than my irritation with what I see as a pointless restriction to download the ROM.
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What's irritating about it is that I don't want to be part of yet another "community" for my phone. I don't feel entitled to the ROM, but the fact is it's irritating to me that I would have to put up 10 meaningless posts to download software. I would rather contribute a few dollars to download the ROM than join the community. There are far bigger problems in the world today than my irritation with what I see as a pointless restriction to download the ROM.
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Hey no biggie , I'm not here to twist your arm ..and your opinion is well noted, I actually prefer that community over xda..and my post count shows that since I have quadruple the amounts of post there than I do here ..
Well if ya ever change your mind and want something.different then by all means we'll be there
Have a good day
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I don't have any issues running the latest CleanROM. Better, smoother, ad-free, Custom Kernel that saves me tons of battery. Stock 2.20 is a waste.
DvineLord said:
i was debloating 2.20 nicely almost custom rom worthy until i found out htclinkify cant be removed so its pretty much a pointless base for a custom rom. too bad cause for me being on at&t it was the most stable and quickest of all for me personally.
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You can't remove it with root explorer?
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Hello Folks,
Im a long time member of this board now. Right Now Im using Blackout Rom for our Device with the latest amidabuddha Kernel.
At the beginning everything was smooth and nice, but now my phone sucks major horse ****! It's slow, drops connections, sometimes Im even unable to place calls and the pleasure I once had using my phone is now changed to frustration! Is this normal? Well, I dont think so.
Thats why I decided to go back to the roots. I dont want to miss the benefits of root, but Im really thinking about turning my back to Sense to gain some more performance on my phone. Is there any non-Sense ROM running with Android 4 (minimum) which is in the state "Stable"? I dont want any experimental thingie. I want to use my phone with every function it offers. I hope at least some of you guys can help me out here.
Kind Regards,
dschibril
1.this looks like a Q&A thread. shouldn't be here in general section. 2.try out ROMS yourself. everyone has different preferences.
3.Questions should go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2143855
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dschibril said:
Hello Folks,
Im a long time member of this board now. Right Now Im using Blackout Rom for our Device with the latest amidabuddha Kernel.
At the beginning everything was smooth and nice, but now my phone sucks major horse ****! It's slow, drops connections, sometimes Im even unable to place calls and the pleasure I once had using my phone is now changed to frustration! Is this normal? Well, I dont think so.
Thats why I decided to go back to the roots. I dont want to miss the benefits of root, but Im really thinking about turning my back to Sense to gain some more performance on my phone. Is there any non-Sense ROM running with Android 4 (minimum) which is in the state "Stable"? I dont want any experimental thingie. I want to use my phone with every function it offers. I hope at least some of you guys can help me out here.
Kind Regards,
dschibril
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There is no absolute definition of "stable". for many people the cm10/cm10.1 Roms are currently stable enough for daily use. But if you want every function your phone offers, you're probably better off with a sense rom...
Anyway, trying them yourself is the only way to see if they fit your needs.
Anyway, I tried Pacman Rom v 19.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1672537
It is quiet good. And without Sense it seems to me that it is quite faster.. Just a recommandation from me
For me, jellytime is great. Using it a long time and it doesn't have any flaws. It's 4.2.1 btw
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You should try viper rom I seen it on my cousins phone HTC one+ it fast and it has so many functions and settings its HTC sense 4+, jelly bean. But on HTC desire s it's ics. I think the rom is perfect but never tried it on HTC desire s.
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No "Best rom" Threads,please. See Guide Sticky.
I'm currently still using my Galaxy S3 with Verizon. Since it's been a while that I had an HTC (OG Incredible) I wanted to get back. It was between this and the LG G3. I ordered this from SWAPPA and it comes rooted with s-off and the HK audio modification. Since there is an abundance of information I would prefer to just ask questions instead of reading all of the pages on the forum my main question is how does CyanogenMod and generally AOSP ROMs run on this phone? Should I just stick with CleanRom?
Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2716306
GPE Rom. Been running it for about a week now. No issues at all. Some are reporting camera lag, but I haven't noticed any.
CM is still on nightlies I believe, but it seems pretty stable from what everyone is posting.
If you want a closer to stock experience, stick with CleanRom. I had that from Day 1 and not one issue showed up.
takeclear said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2716306
GPE Rom. Been running it for about a week now. No issues at all. Some are reporting camera lag, but I haven't noticed any.
CM is still on nightlies I believe, but it seems pretty stable from what everyone is posting.
If you want a closer to stock experience, stick with CleanRom. I had that from Day 1 and not one issue showed up.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll look at that one. I'm also going to keep an eye on CM.
On AOSP you will loose your hk mod and any other sense features i.e. dual camera ect.
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shiznu said:
On AOSP you will loose your hk mod and any other sense features i.e. dual camera ect.
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If you want the best rom I would go with viperone you wont find anything better promise you that.
Roefastford said:
If you want the best rom I would go with viperone you wont find anything better promise you that.
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Can't argue with that, I've tried every rom available and keep coming back to Viper.