(REQUEST) Stock 4.4.2 camera app with 16:9 (6MP) - Nexus 5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Would it be possible to tweak the stock 4.4.2 camera app to take 16:9 pictures with 6 MP, both in regular mode and HDR+ ,or is it a nightmare to do it? I know now that 8 MP 16:9 pictures would be impossible since the original aspect ratio of the nexus sensor is 4:3
With 4.4.2 now we finally have the option to take 16:9 pictures but... with 2 MP

I agree. Even 6mp 16:9 would be nice

Its an 8 mp image sensor in 4:3 so to get 16:9 you must crop the top and bottom so 8 mp is physically impossible. You cannot extend an image bigger than the sensor so to get 16:9 only crop is possible.
But yes, 6 mp would be technically possible. No idea why they haven't done this
Edit... not sure if im being clear.
We have an 8mp 4:3 image sensor. Our 8mp photos are captured using all this sensor. From top to bottom and from left to right.
There are 2 ways to convert 4:3 to 16:9. Either extend out to the sides or to crop the top and bottom. Obviously you cannot extend the sides because you're already at the maximum.
Imagine you have a piece of paper that's 4:3. You're asked to make it 16:9... you can only do this with scissors
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rootSU said:
Its an 8 mp image sensor in 4:3 so to get 16:9 you must crop the top and bottom so 8 mp is physically impossible. You cannot extend an image bigger than the sensor so to get 16:9 only crop is possible.
But yes, 6 mp would be technically possible. No idea why they haven't done this
Edit... not sure if im being clear.
We have an 8mp 4:3 image sensor. Our 8mp photos are captured using all this sensor. From top to bottom and from left to right.
There are 2 ways to convert 4:3 to 16:9. Either extend out to the sides or to crop the top and bottom. Obviously you cannot extend the sides because you're already at the maximum.
Imagine you have a piece of paper that's 4:3. You're asked to make it 16:9... you can only do this with scissors
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I didn't know the original aspect ratio of the nexus camera was 4:3 , I just checked and the G2 takes pictures at 4160 x 3120 aka 4:3 and the iphone 5s 3264x2448 which is 4:3 too , right? Only the HTC One takes 16:9 pictures at 2688 x 1520and so does the moto x with 10 mp :good:
I understand the 8 mp part but how do you extend the sides with 6 MP ?

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I understand the 8 mp part but how do you extend the sides with 6 MP ?
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You can't. Its impossible. You have to crop the top and bottom, which loses 2 mp
But this camera app doesn't have that option. It was built into an aosp camera mod on my s3 which I miss a lotm
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rootSU said:
You can't. Its impossible. You have to crop the top and bottom, which loses 2 mp
But this camera app doesn't have that option. It was built into an aosp camera mod on my s3 which I miss a lotm
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I think I get it, you begin with a 4:3 8 mp picture and then you "extend the sides" and end up with a 16:9 6 mp picture
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Maybe the question should be can we get a 16:9 ratio, at a higher MP, the only available option is 2mp and thats not very good, surely you can crop 8mp to a 16:9 higher than 2mp ?

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I think I get it, you begin with a 4:3 8 mp picture and then you "extend the sides" and end up with a 16:9 6 mp picture
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No, that's the complete opposite. You cannot extend the sides. The sides are already at their HARD LIMIT. It is IMPOSSIBLE to extend the sides.
The ONLY way to make our pictures widescreen is to squash down the top and push up the bottom.
Perhaps this image will help:
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"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
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Look in the top left corner. This represents an example of what a 4:3 image looks like. In the top right corner, this represents what a 16:9 image looks like.
Now if you look at the bottom, The green 4:3 represents the size of the physical image sensor, which happens to be 4:3 - 8 MP.
How a digital camera works, is the camera shutter opens and light shines in through the lens and hits the image sensor. What hits the sensor is converted into the photograph / image you took. So as previously mentioned, you cannot extend the sides because there is no image sensor there. Only light that hits the sensor becomes the image. So whatever aspect ratio you want (example, 16:9) it MUST fit within the hard limit (physical size) of the image sensor. Although this is not technically accurate, perhaps it helps to illustrate what I am saying. If you have a 1 cm image sensor that captures 1 cm of image, you cannot extend that image beyond 1 cm, because that would be bigger than the sensor, so it is impossible to capture it.
So since the 16:9 image MUST fit within the boundaries of the image sensor, the widescreen image can only be as wide as the 4:3 image. No wider. So to make the aspect ratio match that which is known as 16:9, then the top and bottom must be cut off to make that ratio.... and in doing so, you are cutting off 2 MP of the image sensor. The bottom diagram of my picture shows this.
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Maybe the question should be can we get a 16:9 ratio, at a higher MP, the only available option is 2mp and thats not very good, surely you can crop 8mp to a 16:9 higher than 2mp ?
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They probably did it to optimise it for HD displays. All 1080p displays are 2.3mp
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Ok could we get a 6mp crop then? that would be awesome

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Ok could we get a 6mp crop then? that would be awesome
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I'm working on it.. My idea is why not decrease the horizontal pixels to make it wide but offcourse that would effect field of view..
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Its possible but whether Google will is anyones guess. Since camera sources for stock camera aren't available, probably not going to get anything from xda devs without aosp
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rootSU said:
No, that's the complete opposite. You cannot extend the sides. The sides are already at their HARD LIMIT. It is IMPOSSIBLE to extend the sides.
The ONLY way to make our pictures widescreen is to squash down the top and push up the bottom.
Perhaps this image will help:
Look in the top left corner. This represents an example of what a 4:3 image looks like. In the top right corner, this represents what a 16:9 image looks like.
Now if you look at the bottom, The green 4:3 represents the size of the physical image sensor, which happens to be 4:3 - 8 MP.
How a digital camera works, is the camera shutter opens and light shines in through the lens and hits the image sensor. What hits the sensor is converted into the photograph / image you took. So as previously mentioned, you cannot extend the sides because there is no image sensor there. Only light that hits the sensor becomes the image. So whatever aspect ratio you want (example, 16:9) it MUST fit within the hard limit (physical size) of the image sensor. Although this is not technically accurate, perhaps it helps to illustrate what I am saying. If you have a 1 cm image sensor that captures 1 cm of image, you cannot extend that image beyond 1 cm, because that would be bigger than the sensor, so it is impossible to capture it.
So since the 16:9 image MUST fit within the boundaries of the image sensor, the widescreen image can only be as wide as the 4:3 image. No wider. So to make the aspect ratio match that which is known as 16:9, then the top and bottom must be cut off to make that ratio.... and in doing so, you are cutting off 2 MP of the image sensor. The bottom diagram of my picture shows this.
They probably did it to optimise it for HD displays. All 1080p displays are 2.3mp
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Thank you for taking the time to make such a detailed explanation :highfive:, I think I got it now, what bothers me is why would manufactures in the end of 2013 want to continue using 4:3 sensors, I see no benefit...

That I cant answer. Its always been the standard though
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That I cant answer. Its always been the standard though
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Anyone know of any 3rd party cam apps that allow a 16:9 aspect ratio? There are some iPhone apps that do it (e.g. Procamera). They present a full viewfinder screen so you can line up the shot, but what happens is it is trimming the 4:3 photo as soon as you take the shot so it can present you with a full screen picture.

LBTaylor1984 said:
So since the 16:9 image MUST fit within the boundaries of the image sensor, the widescreen image can only be as wide as the 4:3 image. No wider. So to make the aspect ratio match that which is known as 16:9, then the top and bottom must be cut off to make that ratio.... and in doing so, you are cutting off 2 MP of the image sensor. The bottom diagram of my picture shows this.
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Im not sure why people would want this, cutting off part of the picture has no benefit other than simply having a widescreen picture.

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Im not sure why people would want this, cutting off part of the picture has no benefit other than simply having a widescreen picture.
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Personal preference. I don't like anything antiquated 4:3
Obviously all my slr shots are 4:3 though bit 16:9 is more aesthetically pleasing to me, so that's a benefit
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The fixes google did for the camera with 4.4.1 are included in the firmware for the nexus ready for developers to use them or or they are just tweaks for the camera app? What does using another camera app really do? They have different values or is just pretty much the same quality but using another app with a different UI, I remember I read the Galaxy S4 and the HTC One google play edition get really similar results without the manufactures skins with the aosp app, they just lose all the features ....

Updates to libs, apk and kernel. It would be unusual if a 3rd party camera app could improve quality. They can offer different features though, within the constraints of the hardware / os limitations
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Camera Aspect Ratio

When taking pics they all are in the 4:3 aspect ratio (both in 2D & 3D). Anybody knows a way to take pics that fill the screen (without post cropping them) when beeing watched (like the videos do)?
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I suspect this is just the simple fact that the sensors are 4:3 ratio, when shooting video the sensor probably just ignores so many pixels at the top and the bottom to fake the aspect ratio.
So if you want 16:9 then just frame your photos as if the top and bottom is not there, then crop them on the PC later. You can probably even crop them on the phone itself but I have not looked into it myself as I do not see that it matters. You are always best keeping them 4:3 in case you want to have them printed later.
Better to have the option on the phone itself
Hello Alex,
I was using the n900 as well before i bought the o3d. I agree with you that the camera quality was much better on the n900.
And it was possible to choose the 16:9 resolution - although i think the sensor on the n900 was 4:3 as well.
in between i had the atrix for 1 month or so - it also offered to shoot in 16:9, but this one was not 3d ;-).
I think it would be great to be able to see the pics just taken as a "screen filling experience"! Cropping by hand or on the PC is an option, but it would be more convenient to have it as an option on the phone, to take pictures in the original screen ratio.
thanks for your reply anyway
heiwid
There are a few more options in lgCamera and it also lets you record video at higher bitrates.
It seems a bit twitchy since V10d firmware though, you might have to switch between the image viewer and back before the preview starts working.
Still photos still come out very over-processed though, so I am guessing this is something only LG can improve or someone hacking around with Android itself.
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Actually be careful with that app, it just locked up my phone. Annoying as it seemed fine firmware V10b.
Thanks for the hint.
I tried it - worked - but no 16:9 settings as well except 720x480.
But this is not an option for taking pics.
I think you are right, Only LG could change it.
It looks like the view of the software engineers @ LG is not as wide as the one of the hardware engineers ;-).
That LG camera app is as buggy as hell, total crap.

V20 is using new camera sensor, same as OP3

I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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I do not know why all oems are going with 4:3 ratio it looks ****ty when showing a photo or taking a photo on the phone which is 16:9 also most monitors and TVs are 16:9 , it's just everyone following apple as usual. If the headphone jack goes I think I will meltdown )))
My PC Monitor is 4:3 (NEC 24" CRT) and my Canon takes 4:3 pictures, which works good together and when printing 4x6, 5x7, or 8x10 sizes on my Epson. But for phones, it makes more sense to have a 16:9 image sensor, as that is the same aspect ratio as the phone's display and when viewed on an HDTV. I was glad that the Note 4 DE I got 2 years ago used a 16:9 sensor, but it looks like the Note 7 went back to 4:3 (not sure why). I was hoping the V20 was also going to use 16:9 for its sensor.
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My PC Monitor is 4:3 (NEC 24" CRT) and my Canon takes 4:3 pictures, which works good together and when printing 4x6, 5x7, or 8x10 sizes on my Epson. But for phones, it makes more sense to have a 16:9 image sensor, as that is the same aspect ratio as the phone's display and when viewed on an HDTV. I was glad that the Note 4 DE I got 2 years ago used a 16:9 sensor, but it looks like the Note 7 went back to 4:3 (not sure why). I was hoping the V20 was also going to use 16:9 for its sensor.
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Honestly the only reason is to follow a trend. 16:9 is so much better even if it is just so it fills the screen.
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I do not know why all oems are going with 4:3 ratio it looks ****ty when showing a photo or taking a photo on the phone which is 16:9 also most monitors and TVs are 16:9 , it's just everyone following apple as usual. If the headphone jack goes I think I will meltdown )))
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It's because the lenses are spherical, so you have a circle to work with. Since we can't yet produce cost-effective circular sensors, we need rectangles to fill it and since a 4:3 rectangle fills a circle much better, using a 16:9 sensor is basically just cutting usable space, or making your pixels smaller (which would give us poor low-light photos). BTW the most area-efficient sensors would be 1:1, but that is not a standard aspect ratio, so we use the closest one (4:3). I hope you can all understand my photography-nerd rambling.
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It's because the lenses are spherical, so you have a circle to work with. Since we can't yet produce cost-effective circular sensors, we need rectangles to fill it and since a 4:3 rectangle fills a circle much better, using a 16:9 sensor is basically just cutting usable space, or making your pixels smaller (which would give us poor low-light photos). BTW the most area-efficient sensors would be 1:1, but that is not a standard aspect ratio, so we use the closest one (4:3). I hope you can all understand my photography-nerd rambling.
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That was very informative actually! Thank you. I like learning stuff...
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I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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Have faith. The sensor alone is only half of the equation. Processing is just as important if not more important. Just look at. The lowlight capabilities of this phone. Same sensor yet it takes better pics than the one plus 3. The HTC 10 has the same sensor as the Nexus 6p and the 6p is a lot better still because of processing. Lg has great processing. No one ever talked about the g5 or g4 or v10s sensors because lg really excellent at their outstanding processing. While I agree I prefer 16:9 over 4:3 it just seems that's where it's going. Most if not all smartphone cameras are 4:3 now. There's probly a reason. Maybe to fit the controls and toggles on the screen at the same time. Maybe for eis since it crops the image or perhaps helps with the jello effect with ois. I had the g5 before returning it because of the build quality and the camera was outstanding. Krystal key from Android authority did a comparison and the g5 was her favorite camera. I'm sure we will even get one or two updates soon to improve the camera even. Plus you have. The more robust manual controls on a smartphone to date. I myself can't wait to use focus peeking like DSLRs have!!
Nitemare3219 said:
I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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I purchased a LG G4 for $325 back in November 2015 and I just got the V20. Did some camera comparisons between the G4 and V20 and here's my unprofessional findings:
The V20 videos, although a little better in quality, they are not what I expected from a 2016 flagship devices. Sounds great, but not much of an improvement over the G4.
The V20 pictures, are VERY disappointing. Initially set on the 12MP 16:9, I changed it to the 16MP 4:3, I found pictures to be more watercolour and less sharp than the G4. This is especially true when looking at grass blades and bricks.
Tried this in both auto and manual mode, and still the G4 came ahead. Loss of detail is very disappointing, especially when I've paid more than double the G4 ($770) for this phone.
Sadly, I'm going to return this back to T-Mobile and wait a little until the S8 comes out (hopefully without the home button and backwards capacitive keys). Maybe by that time the Pixel XL 128GB will drop in price and I'll consider that. Even though the phone experience is snappy and fast, and I kind of like the second top screen, along with the finger print reader, it's the camera that makes or breaks the phone for me. And in this case, it is very disappointing to have the G4 beat it.
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16:9 is so much better even if it is just so it fills the screen.
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I'm surrounded by 16:9 screens everywhere. Why this move to 4:3 capture... Because bandwagon IMO.
rudbwoy said:
I'm surrounded by 16:9 screens everywhere. Why this move to 4:3 capture... Because bandwagon IMO.
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I know man. Stupid companies copy Apple all the time it's annoying. I know why it's being done but they should really fill the screen like then do in video capture. Was considering v20 but the g4 was such an amazing photo phone nothing beat it and has beat it for a while. Video capture is still better on Samsung though because sound on the g4 is poo and stabilisation is not great.
Very interesting...I was just about to make a post about this, but I'm glad that I found this thread.
The V20 does a lot worse in low light than my Note 4. I am pretty disappointed with it not meeting my expectations. To date, My S7 and Note 4 take the best pictures and that's sad in a way that it out classes the V20 camera. :/
imx298 was a big mistake for a flagship with this price
imx378 could be a good choice...
iunlock said:
Very interesting...I was just about to make a post about this, but I'm glad that I found this thread.
The V20 does a lot worse in low light than my Note 4. I am pretty disappointed with it not meeting my expectations. To date, My S7 and Note 4 take the best pictures and that's sad in a way that it out classes the V20 camera. :/
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The s7 is so so good in low light. Was just taking photos inside in the dark of the kids dresses up in masks etc with only torch light and the photos were really good. My g4 cannot get much in that light but will be interesting to see what the v20 can do.
That's disappointing, I find the Pixel XL pretty uninteresting except of course for the amazing camera and I was thinking about exchanging it for a V20...
Additionaly the OP3T might get a IMX398 http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_3t_said_to_feature_a_sony_imx398_sensor-news-21328.php so I guess I'll have to wait for that OP3T now
Or the new Huawei Mate?
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I'm surrounded by 16:9 screens everywhere. Why this move to 4:3 capture... Because bandwagon IMO.
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Actually it was the other way around.
16:9 is a terrible aspect ratio for just about anything other than a movie on a very big screen.
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Actually it was the other way around.
16:9 is a terrible aspect ratio for just about anything other than a movie on a very big screen.
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Wait...what?
calculateaspectratio
At my work, most if not all, the monitors are 1920x1080. Even the projectors in the conference rooms, (I've had the facilities people take out the 4:3 projector screens so we can use the wall), I've set to 1920x1080. At home, all I have are 16:9 TVs.
When I take pics and videos, and create family slide shows and such, all are 16:9....so I can play them back on my 16:9 TVs and devices.
16:9 is terrible? I don't know about that.
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Wait...what?
calculateaspectratio
At my work, most if not all, the monitors are 1920x1080. Even the projectors in the conference rooms, (I've had the facilities people take out the 4:3 projector screens so we can use the wall), I've set to 1920x1080. At home, all I have are 16:9 TVs.
When I take pics and videos, and create family slide shows and such, all are 16:9....so I can play them back on my 16:9 TVs and devices.
16:9 is terrible? I don't know about that.
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Vertically short monitors but fat are bad for anything other than theater movie watching. Movie watching isa minority of most computer LCD use. Most users would benefit from 4:3 or 5:4 in normal use. Less scrolling, and easier reading. Less wasted space of just filler going unused. It isn't isn't until you're dealing with UHD 30" class that 16:9 really works with 2 side by side windows.
LCD makers switched to basically only 16:9 to save on margins and manufacturing expense...not because it was better. Was also a carrot to get consumers to replace otherwise functioning gear.
What are you talking about? 4:3 yields no benefit in a society where wide screen has taken over monitors, tvs and projectors. Unless you're living in the 90s there is No advantage to having that aspect ratio in 2016.
It's 2016, good luck finding a new TV or even monitors in a 4:3 aspect ratio. It's a dead aspect ratio so there is zero point in making cameras with this aspect ratio.
We can argue about how 4:3 is better but the fact is in society 16:9 is everywhere there is no reason to use 4:3 when everything runs 16:9. There is no benefit to it.
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What are you talking about? 4:3 yields no benefit in a society where wide screen has taken over monitors, tvs and projectors. Unless you're living in the 90s there is No advantage to having that aspect ratio in 2016.
It's 2016, good luck finding a new TV or even monitors in a 4:3 aspect ratio. It's a dead aspect ratio so there is zero point in making cameras with this aspect ratio.
We can argue about how 4:3 is better but the fact is in society 16:9 is everywhere there is no reason to use 4:3 when everything runs 16:9. There is no benefit to it.
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A) He just listed reasons for why this is happening.
B) Saying there is no benefit to 4:3 means you don't know anything about photography.

Camera and MP's

When shooting a photo in 16:9 the MP get reduced to "only" 9MP.
When i get the picture info from a G4 the info says 16mp.
So then MP's aren't reduced when shooting in 16:9 or 4:3.
Why is it that HTC does? Or is LG lying in the pic info.
The HTC u11's camera sensor is a native 4:3 sensor so if you take a 16:9 pic it will crop that 4:3 pic down to 16:9 which of course would reduce the number of total pixels because you are cropping the top and bottom of the pic. Same goes for other camera sensors that have a native 16:9 sensor. If you wanted a 4:3 pic it will crop the left and right sides, reducing the total number of pixels.
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And what's wrong with a 9MP anyway ?
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And what's wrong with a 9MP anyway ?
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Did i say it's wrong? Can only imagine if you want a wall frame picture it can be difficult.
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The HTC u11's camera sensor is a native 4:3 sensor so if you take a 16:9 pic it will crop that 4:3 pic down to 16:9 which of course would reduce the number of total pixels because you are cropping the top and bottom of the pic. Same goes for other camera sensors that have a native 16:9 sensor. If you wanted a 4:3 pic it will crop the left and right sides, reducing the total number of pixels.
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Thanks for the info.. So LG uses a 16:9 lens I guess.
I always take pics in 16:9.... So that's why I wanna know.
@*justintime* I found this article explaining very well : http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_g6_vs_lg_g5_quadcam_comparo-news-23636.php
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Did i say it's wrong? Can only imagine if you want a wall frame picture it can be difficult.
Thanks for the info.. So LG uses a 16:9 lens I guess.
I always take pics in 16:9.... So that's why I wanna know.
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Correct, the LG G4's sensor has a native 16:9 aspect ratio and the U11's sensor is a native 4:3 aspect ratio.
Regarding 9MP, have you ever watched any 4k content on a large screen 4k tv, like a 60 or maybe even larger?
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Correct, the LG G4's sensor has a native 16:9 aspect ratio and the U11's sensor is a native 4:3 aspect ratio.
Regarding 9MP, have you ever watched any 4k content on a large screen 4k tv, like a 60 or maybe even larger?
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Do you know how many MP's a photo has to be ti display stunningly on a large screen 4k TV, that is to look as great as a 4k content video?
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Correct, the LG G4's sensor has a native 16:9 aspect ratio and the U11's sensor is a native 4:3 aspect ratio.
Regarding 9MP, have you ever watched any 4k content on a large screen 4k tv, like a 60 or maybe even larger?
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Do you know how many MP's a photo has to be ti display stunningly on a large screen 4k TV, that is to look as great as a 4k content video?
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I really don't know... You tell me? I am not a photographer.
I watch photos on TV 65" not 4K...and with the G4 it looks good to me.
Didn't test the U11 though...

Front Camera Image Zoomed in

Hello, I've been an XDA lurker for a while, starting with my Galaxy S4. I just recently got a OnePlus 6, and love it so far, but this one problem is kind of irritating me.
When using the front camera (both in the camera app when not set to 4:3, and third party apps like snapchat), the picture looks very zoomed in). I'm guessing its because any other ratio is just a cropped version of 4:3.
The only way I can think to fix this is to force a different ratio for the camera to use, but I'm not sure if that is even possible.
Anyone else have this type of problem? Help would be much appreciated.
I think its because the lense has a higher focal length... Nothing to do with ratio.
So is there any way to work around this so that the front image isn't so zoomed in?
For video? It's because of their stabilization
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For video? It's because of their stabilization
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I mean in the pictures. Like if you're taking a selfie, the viewfinder shows the image as very zoomed in (like your face covers the image if you're a normal distance away), and the picture is taken like that.
When you shoot with 4:3 you have all the picture of the sensor. When you shoot with 16:9 or other you don't use all the sensor but it crops the image to be in that ratio. And you see the zoom. Take a picture with 4:3 and zoom with your fingers to see a picture of 16:9 shot. It's the same.
OnePlus 6

Why are aspect ratios and resolutions not important anymore?

Ì sent my Samsung A70 back because 16:9 was limited to 8 MP, I knew little about aspect ratios their respective resolutions, now that I have read a lot about it I am somewhat wiser. I was used to taking 16:9 photos on my S8+ and cropping the picture to my liking while maintaining the 16:9 AR. This requires a somewhat larger original picture if you wish to view the result on a large screen.
I bought the 7 pro and immediately ran into the same problem, aspect ratios are stuck to a certain resolution and 48 MP is limited to 4:3 JPG format, I can´t even choose 16:9 and decided to go along with the 20:9 fullscreen option ... can still easily be cropped to 16:9. But why are aspect ratios locked into a certain resolution which is usually okay in it´s original size for viewing but doesn´t allow for a lot of creativity.
I have been using a Gcam mod which has 16:9 available and the pictures do allow for a small crop, not much though before the pixels suffer on the big screen.
I will never use 4:3 as I hate the field of view it offers.
4:3 is likely the native sensor size/ratio. It comes from mimicking film cameras. Film cameras in turn copied oil painting canvases. 16:9 is just a compromise television format to approach Cinema formats roughly 21:9.
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4:3 is likely the native sensor size/ratio. It comes from mimicking film cameras. Film cameras in turn copied oil painting canvases. 16:9 is just a compromise television format to approach Cinema formats roughly 21:9.
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Yes, I figured that. Why are the size of the pictures restricted in all aspect ratios? that´s my question. As the average consumer you get 48MP advertised when you buy the phone, large pictures are however impossible to shoot in any other aspect ratio than 4:3 and for that you need to tweak the settings. For most people the camera will be 12 MP at most.
Why can´t I f.ex. shoot a 16:9 picture at 24 MP? I realize the fact that it´s impossible to get a 48 MP picture at 16:9 due to how the camera angle works.
The main sensor has 48 million pixels laid out in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Furthermore they are grouped in a quad Bayer layout which really just makes it a 4x light sensitive 12mp camera instead of a 48mp detail sensor. That is the hardware.
If you want images cropped to another aspect ratio afterwards, download something like Open Camera or MX Camera and set a custom resolution.
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The main sensor has 48 million pixels laid out in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Furthermore they are grouped in a quad Bayer layout which really just makes it a 4x light sensitive 12mp camera instead of a 48mp detail sensor. That is the hardware.
If you want images cropped to another aspect ratio afterwards, download something like Open Camera or MX Camera and set a custom resolution.
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All third party apps are limited to the 12 MP, they don´t know how to use the 4x .... so they are pretty limited in their range of resolutions.
Yes and regrettably can't use the other lenses either.
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4:3 is likely the native sensor size/ratio. It comes from mimicking film cameras. Film cameras in turn copied oil painting canvases. 16:9 is just a compromise television format to approach Cinema formats roughly 21:9.
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Cinema is 2.35:1 which is why on 16:9 shows you the black bars on the top and bottom of your screen for the majority of movies.
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Yes, I figured that. Why are the size of the pictures restricted in all aspect ratios? that´s my question. As the average consumer you get 48MP advertised when you buy the phone, large pictures are however impossible to shoot in any other aspect ratio than 4:3 and for that you need to tweak the settings. For most people the camera will be 12 MP at most.
Why can´t I f.ex. shoot a 16:9 picture at 24 MP? I realize the fact that it´s impossible to get a 48 MP picture at 16:9 due to how the camera angle works.
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Unless your going to print MASSIVE size prints, overall, MP is a marketing ploy to get your to spend more money on am item. After 12 to 16mp, for 95% of people, the difference is in the pixel size in Montana, not the number is pixels.
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The main sensor has 48 million pixels laid out in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Furthermore they are grouped in a quad Bayer layout which really just makes it a 4x light sensitive 12mp camera instead of a 48mp detail sensor. That is the hardware.
If you want images cropped to another aspect ratio afterwards, download something like Open Camera or MX Camera and set a custom resolution.
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So in general, when stock camera takes 12mp photo on 48mp sensor, it would be using pixel binning, resulting in better looking image, right?
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Yes and regrettably can't use the other lenses either.
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If yes, then if 3rd party Apps can capture photos at 12mp only, is it using pixel binning on main 48mp sensor or some other tech? If other tech, what is that other tech?
Thanks!
Even non Bayer sensors use four sensors filtered for each color. Generally an RGGB configuration. One sensor with a red filter, two with green and one with blue. They aren't individually addressible. They are summed together in hardware to mix all the colors. A Bayer configuration of groups allows sub addressing of different luminance channels.
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Even non Bayer sensors use four sensors filtered for each color. Generally an RGGB configuration. One sensor with a red filter, two with green and one with blue. They aren't individually addressible. They are summed together in hardware to mix all the colors. A Bayer configuration of groups allows sub addressing of different luminance channels.
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Thanks for more details. Also, if you could, please answer (maybe you already answered but I did not get it) the doubts I asked above.
Thanks
It might be a custom API that only the manufacturer accesses with their binary or camera app. Google camera2 API may not support it but people do cool stuff with the Google camera app to get at stuff.

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