Ì sent my Samsung A70 back because 16:9 was limited to 8 MP, I knew little about aspect ratios their respective resolutions, now that I have read a lot about it I am somewhat wiser. I was used to taking 16:9 photos on my S8+ and cropping the picture to my liking while maintaining the 16:9 AR. This requires a somewhat larger original picture if you wish to view the result on a large screen.
I bought the 7 pro and immediately ran into the same problem, aspect ratios are stuck to a certain resolution and 48 MP is limited to 4:3 JPG format, I can´t even choose 16:9 and decided to go along with the 20:9 fullscreen option ... can still easily be cropped to 16:9. But why are aspect ratios locked into a certain resolution which is usually okay in it´s original size for viewing but doesn´t allow for a lot of creativity.
I have been using a Gcam mod which has 16:9 available and the pictures do allow for a small crop, not much though before the pixels suffer on the big screen.
I will never use 4:3 as I hate the field of view it offers.
4:3 is likely the native sensor size/ratio. It comes from mimicking film cameras. Film cameras in turn copied oil painting canvases. 16:9 is just a compromise television format to approach Cinema formats roughly 21:9.
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4:3 is likely the native sensor size/ratio. It comes from mimicking film cameras. Film cameras in turn copied oil painting canvases. 16:9 is just a compromise television format to approach Cinema formats roughly 21:9.
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Yes, I figured that. Why are the size of the pictures restricted in all aspect ratios? that´s my question. As the average consumer you get 48MP advertised when you buy the phone, large pictures are however impossible to shoot in any other aspect ratio than 4:3 and for that you need to tweak the settings. For most people the camera will be 12 MP at most.
Why can´t I f.ex. shoot a 16:9 picture at 24 MP? I realize the fact that it´s impossible to get a 48 MP picture at 16:9 due to how the camera angle works.
The main sensor has 48 million pixels laid out in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Furthermore they are grouped in a quad Bayer layout which really just makes it a 4x light sensitive 12mp camera instead of a 48mp detail sensor. That is the hardware.
If you want images cropped to another aspect ratio afterwards, download something like Open Camera or MX Camera and set a custom resolution.
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The main sensor has 48 million pixels laid out in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Furthermore they are grouped in a quad Bayer layout which really just makes it a 4x light sensitive 12mp camera instead of a 48mp detail sensor. That is the hardware.
If you want images cropped to another aspect ratio afterwards, download something like Open Camera or MX Camera and set a custom resolution.
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All third party apps are limited to the 12 MP, they don´t know how to use the 4x .... so they are pretty limited in their range of resolutions.
Yes and regrettably can't use the other lenses either.
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4:3 is likely the native sensor size/ratio. It comes from mimicking film cameras. Film cameras in turn copied oil painting canvases. 16:9 is just a compromise television format to approach Cinema formats roughly 21:9.
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Cinema is 2.35:1 which is why on 16:9 shows you the black bars on the top and bottom of your screen for the majority of movies.
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Yes, I figured that. Why are the size of the pictures restricted in all aspect ratios? that´s my question. As the average consumer you get 48MP advertised when you buy the phone, large pictures are however impossible to shoot in any other aspect ratio than 4:3 and for that you need to tweak the settings. For most people the camera will be 12 MP at most.
Why can´t I f.ex. shoot a 16:9 picture at 24 MP? I realize the fact that it´s impossible to get a 48 MP picture at 16:9 due to how the camera angle works.
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Unless your going to print MASSIVE size prints, overall, MP is a marketing ploy to get your to spend more money on am item. After 12 to 16mp, for 95% of people, the difference is in the pixel size in Montana, not the number is pixels.
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The main sensor has 48 million pixels laid out in a 4:3 aspect ratio. Furthermore they are grouped in a quad Bayer layout which really just makes it a 4x light sensitive 12mp camera instead of a 48mp detail sensor. That is the hardware.
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So in general, when stock camera takes 12mp photo on 48mp sensor, it would be using pixel binning, resulting in better looking image, right?
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If yes, then if 3rd party Apps can capture photos at 12mp only, is it using pixel binning on main 48mp sensor or some other tech? If other tech, what is that other tech?
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Even non Bayer sensors use four sensors filtered for each color. Generally an RGGB configuration. One sensor with a red filter, two with green and one with blue. They aren't individually addressible. They are summed together in hardware to mix all the colors. A Bayer configuration of groups allows sub addressing of different luminance channels.
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Even non Bayer sensors use four sensors filtered for each color. Generally an RGGB configuration. One sensor with a red filter, two with green and one with blue. They aren't individually addressible. They are summed together in hardware to mix all the colors. A Bayer configuration of groups allows sub addressing of different luminance channels.
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Thanks for more details. Also, if you could, please answer (maybe you already answered but I did not get it) the doubts I asked above.
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It might be a custom API that only the manufacturer accesses with their binary or camera app. Google camera2 API may not support it but people do cool stuff with the Google camera app to get at stuff.
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If yes then what resolution? I am pretty sure it can take in 720p but does it take in 1920x1080 or even a bit higher?
Now how good the camera really is? I am getting very mixed opinions in reviews. With the GSMarena photo compare tool it seems really good as far as most 5MP cameras are concerned like iphone 4 and galaxy S.
Some reviews complain about somewhat washed out under saturated pics, would you agree with that?
It takes 5M pixel photos which are 2560x1920 pixels on all 5M cameras btw.
If you meant the camcorder than no, it will not do HD.
Now, with that resolution you can easily format any picture to 16x9 aspect ratio. The stock camera doesn't have wide screen option buy some 3rd party apps do.
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It takes 5M pixel photos which are 2560x1920 pixels on all 5M cameras btw.
If you meant the camcorder than no, it will not do HD.
Now, with that resolution you can easily format any picture to 16x9 aspect ratio. The stock camera doesn't have wide screen option buy some 3rd party apps do.
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Ok no native 16:9 shooting I see. Can you tell which application can do that?
Has nexus S gotten native touch to focus with ICS?
Come on anyone??
Tap to focus didn't work for me when I had ICS on my Nexus S. I guess it's a Galaxy Nexus feature.
You should be able to resize or crop photos to be 16:9 with QuickPic or Photoshop Express.
Hey all,
Here's a pretty cool macro DSLR effect I discovered the other day. FINALLY a use for 4K video resolution!
All you have to do when in video mode is select 4k (3840 × 2160) and zoom in 4x. When close to a subject tap to focus as usual and you may be shocked that the image suddenly has crazy depth of field but still remains sharp.
The reason? The camera module has an aperture of f/2.2 which is great, but that's not the real clincher. 4K UHD has 8,294,400 pixels in a frame. Just to give you an idea 1080p is only 2,073,600 pixels. So basically, when you zoom in 4x, your image still looks great. No other phone camera can do this in 2013.
Big deal, SO WHAT? you may be thinking. Well the results CLEARLY speak for themselves..
Happy shooting!
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Hey all,
Here's a pretty cool macro DSLR effect I discovered the other day. FINALLY a use for 4K video resolution!
All you have to do when in video mode is select 4k (3840 × 2160) and zoom in 4x. When close to a subject tap to focus as usual and you may be shocked that the image suddenly has crazy depth of field but still remains sharp.
The reason? The camera module has an aperture of f/2.2 which is great, but that's not the real clincher. 4K UHD has 8,294,400 pixels in a frame. Just to give you an idea 1080p is only 2,073,600 pixels. So basically, when you zoom in 4x, your image still looks great. No other phone camera can do this in 2013.
Big deal, SO WHAT? you may be thinking. Well the results CLEARLY speak for themselves..
Happy shooting!
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Are you saying that if you record in 1080p mode and framed the shot exactly the same, that the depth of field would not be the same? I'm confused?
I understand the merits of 4K recording, but I don't see how the depth of field would be affected.
WOW! Cant believe all that comes from the small lens sensor of Note 3
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Are you saying that if you record in 1080p mode and framed the shot exactly the same, that the depth of field would not be the same? I'm confused?
I understand the merits of 4K recording, but I don't see how the depth of field would be affected.
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I probably should have explained this better but you can't really frame the same shot in 1080p because you'd be way too close to the subject for the camera to even attempt to focus on it. 4k allows much more flexibility for macro shots.
And do you have a 4K display to see this awesomeness?
Otherwise you're just watching it at 1080p lol.
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I probably should have explained this better but you can't really frame the same shot in 1080p because you'd be way too close to the subject for the camera to even attempt to focus on it. 4k allows much more flexibility for macro shots.
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Now I'm curious how 4K video zoomed in 4x downscaled to 1080p compares to 1080p video zoomed in 4x. I wonder if Samsung is using software zooming to enlarge the video image or cropping the sensor to achieve the field of view. If it's software zoom then there's obviously going to be a loss in quality. But if it's simply cropping the sensor there should be no difference. And it fact it'd be a waste of time and memory space to shoot in 4k zoomed to 4x and then having to downscale it to 1080p afterwards. That would add unnecessary steps for editing. Also, in 1080p mode you have access to the software video stabilization while in 4k mode you don't.
it's not about the resolution lol. think putting on different DSLR lenses for your phone.
great find, OP! will be trying this soon
4k works with approx 50% more colours than normal 1080p. Even if you dont have a tv to warch it in full res, a 4k clip will look and FEEL rather different than everything else.
The clip in the above link is done with a little bit of postproduction. Indeed its impressing and there is more to be discovered.
_madness haven't any rest, only swet_
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And do you have a 4K display to see this awesomeness?
Otherwise you're just watching it at 1080p lol.
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lol, it's not about the resolution. it's kinda like being able to use different lenses for your note 3.
great find, OP. thanks!
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Now I'm curious how 4K video zoomed in 4x downscaled to 1080p compares to 1080p video zoomed in 4x. I wonder if Samsung is using software zooming to enlarge the video image or cropping the sensor to achieve the field of view. If it's software zoom then there's obviously going to be a loss in quality. But if it's simply cropping the sensor there should be no difference. And it fact it'd be a waste of time and memory space to shoot in 4k zoomed to 4x and then having to downscale it to 1080p afterwards. That would add unnecessary steps for editing. Also, in 1080p mode you have access to the software video stabilization while in 4k mode you don't.
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Cropping a sensor of say a 35mm legs by 1.6 doesn't give you a 56mm zoom perspective. You're still getting a relatively wide angle shot but simply cropped.
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Cropping a sensor of say a 35mm legs by 1.6 doesn't give you a 56mm zoom perspective. You're still getting a relatively wide angle shot but simply cropped.
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I understand that. However, in this instance is 1080p mode on the Note 3 simply cropping the sensor to begin with? My question in relation to the OP is if you shoot at 4K mode, zoom in a 4X, is the phone simply cropping the sensor 4x to give you a lossless zoom? Or it is using some type of software pixel binning to give you the zoomed in view? Or perhaps a combination of both.
And how does that compare to shooting in 1080p mode with the 4x zoom?
I took a few sample videos sitting at my desk and to my naked eye viewing both videos on the Note 3's screen, there is 0 difference between shooting at 4K resolution with a 4x zoom and shooting at 1080p at 4x zoom other than the file size. The field of view is identical. I'm looking to see if there's any advantage at the end of the day if I want to end up with a 1080p file as the end product. Is there any advantage to shooting the same field of view at 4K and downscaling?
The 4x zoom when shooting at 4K did not give me a distance advantage versus shooting 1080p at 4x zoom. The phone remained at the same distance as my subject when framing the shot with the same field of view. So for macro video shots, I do not appear to have any advantage when shooting at 4K.
Epic and very well done video!
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I probably should have explained this better but you can't really frame the same shot in 1080p because you'd be way too close to the subject for the camera to even attempt to focus on it. 4k allows much more flexibility for macro shots.
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I think what he's saying is that no matter of 1080p or 4k, distance and senzor pixels are the same, therefore theoretically you shouldn't necessarily have to do 4k to do such zooming. Question is: in effect does zooming in 1080p still record lossless as far as the sensor goes (13mil pixels), or zooming in 1080p only zooms into the 1080p capture (magnifies the 2mil pixels).
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I understand that. However, in this instance is 1080p mode on the Note 3 simply cropping the sensor to begin with? My question in relation to the OP is if you shoot at 4K mode, zoom in a 4X, is the phone simply cropping the sensor 4x to give you a lossless zoom? Or it is using some type of software pixel binning to give you the zoomed in view? Or perhaps a combination of both.
And how does that compare to shooting in 1080p mode with the 4x zoom?
I took a few sample videos sitting at my desk and to my naked eye viewing both videos on the Note 3's screen, there is 0 difference between shooting at 4K resolution with a 4x zoom and shooting at 1080p at 4x zoom other than the file size. The field of view is identical. I'm looking to see if there's any advantage at the end of the day if I want to end up with a 1080p file as the end product. Is there any advantage to shooting the same field of view at 4K and downscaling?
The 4x zoom when shooting at 4K did not give me a distance advantage versus shooting 1080p at 4x zoom. The phone remained at the same distance as my subject when framing the shot with the same field of view. So for macro video shots, I do not appear to have any advantage when shooting at 4K.
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I think what he's saying is that no matter of 1080p or 4k, distance and senzor pixels are the same, therefore theoretically you shouldn't necessarily have to do 4k to do such zooming. Question is: in effect does zooming in 1080p still record lossless as far as the sensor goes (13mil pixels), or zooming in 1080p only zooms into the 1080p capture (magnifies the 2mil pixels).
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I just assumed that zooming in ALWAYS "magnified" the pixels so you'd naturally just get sharper detail with the 4k mode. I now understand my error with the field of view though (I tried it out myself too)
I guess the main thing to take home is the amount of detail you're getting from this phone's sensor.
I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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I do not know why all oems are going with 4:3 ratio it looks ****ty when showing a photo or taking a photo on the phone which is 16:9 also most monitors and TVs are 16:9 , it's just everyone following apple as usual. If the headphone jack goes I think I will meltdown )))
My PC Monitor is 4:3 (NEC 24" CRT) and my Canon takes 4:3 pictures, which works good together and when printing 4x6, 5x7, or 8x10 sizes on my Epson. But for phones, it makes more sense to have a 16:9 image sensor, as that is the same aspect ratio as the phone's display and when viewed on an HDTV. I was glad that the Note 4 DE I got 2 years ago used a 16:9 sensor, but it looks like the Note 7 went back to 4:3 (not sure why). I was hoping the V20 was also going to use 16:9 for its sensor.
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My PC Monitor is 4:3 (NEC 24" CRT) and my Canon takes 4:3 pictures, which works good together and when printing 4x6, 5x7, or 8x10 sizes on my Epson. But for phones, it makes more sense to have a 16:9 image sensor, as that is the same aspect ratio as the phone's display and when viewed on an HDTV. I was glad that the Note 4 DE I got 2 years ago used a 16:9 sensor, but it looks like the Note 7 went back to 4:3 (not sure why). I was hoping the V20 was also going to use 16:9 for its sensor.
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Honestly the only reason is to follow a trend. 16:9 is so much better even if it is just so it fills the screen.
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I do not know why all oems are going with 4:3 ratio it looks ****ty when showing a photo or taking a photo on the phone which is 16:9 also most monitors and TVs are 16:9 , it's just everyone following apple as usual. If the headphone jack goes I think I will meltdown )))
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It's because the lenses are spherical, so you have a circle to work with. Since we can't yet produce cost-effective circular sensors, we need rectangles to fill it and since a 4:3 rectangle fills a circle much better, using a 16:9 sensor is basically just cutting usable space, or making your pixels smaller (which would give us poor low-light photos). BTW the most area-efficient sensors would be 1:1, but that is not a standard aspect ratio, so we use the closest one (4:3). I hope you can all understand my photography-nerd rambling.
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It's because the lenses are spherical, so you have a circle to work with. Since we can't yet produce cost-effective circular sensors, we need rectangles to fill it and since a 4:3 rectangle fills a circle much better, using a 16:9 sensor is basically just cutting usable space, or making your pixels smaller (which would give us poor low-light photos). BTW the most area-efficient sensors would be 1:1, but that is not a standard aspect ratio, so we use the closest one (4:3). I hope you can all understand my photography-nerd rambling.
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That was very informative actually! Thank you. I like learning stuff...
Sent from my awesome T-Mobile LG V10!
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I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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Have faith. The sensor alone is only half of the equation. Processing is just as important if not more important. Just look at. The lowlight capabilities of this phone. Same sensor yet it takes better pics than the one plus 3. The HTC 10 has the same sensor as the Nexus 6p and the 6p is a lot better still because of processing. Lg has great processing. No one ever talked about the g5 or g4 or v10s sensors because lg really excellent at their outstanding processing. While I agree I prefer 16:9 over 4:3 it just seems that's where it's going. Most if not all smartphone cameras are 4:3 now. There's probly a reason. Maybe to fit the controls and toggles on the screen at the same time. Maybe for eis since it crops the image or perhaps helps with the jello effect with ois. I had the g5 before returning it because of the build quality and the camera was outstanding. Krystal key from Android authority did a comparison and the g5 was her favorite camera. I'm sure we will even get one or two updates soon to improve the camera even. Plus you have. The more robust manual controls on a smartphone to date. I myself can't wait to use focus peeking like DSLRs have!!
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I'm not sure what the V10 used, but it's likely the same as the G5 and G4 - the IMX234, which was a 16MP 5312 x 2988 (16:9 ratio), 1/2.6" sensor with 1.12 μm pixels.
The V20 is now using a IMX298, same sensor in the OP3, with 16MP again, but this time it's 4608 x 3456 (4:3 ratio), 1/2.8" sensor, but still with 1.12 μm pixels? Not sure how that is possible... this is according to the Wiki page with image sensor specs. The wide-angle seems to be the IMX219 which is a measly 1/4" sensor, so don't expect anything decent in lower light levels.
I'm not really pleased with the move to a 4:3 ratio sensor. I really loved the 16:9 view on the G4 and V10 when I had those. I don't print or edit photos, and only view on my phone or PC... just a lot more pleasing to look at. I'm also confused as to how the pixel size remained the same, yet the image sensor shrunk in size. It does now have PDAF which is nice, but hell, the Note 4 had that 2 years ago... about time LG caught up. I don't have high hopes for this camera. I feel like if LG could use a high MP 1/2.3" sensor like Google or HTC, they'd be much better off and actually reign as the mobile photography kings in terms of detail/resolution even though Sony themselves probably have the best sensor on the market in their Xperia lineup, but bomb the software processing year after year.
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I purchased a LG G4 for $325 back in November 2015 and I just got the V20. Did some camera comparisons between the G4 and V20 and here's my unprofessional findings:
The V20 videos, although a little better in quality, they are not what I expected from a 2016 flagship devices. Sounds great, but not much of an improvement over the G4.
The V20 pictures, are VERY disappointing. Initially set on the 12MP 16:9, I changed it to the 16MP 4:3, I found pictures to be more watercolour and less sharp than the G4. This is especially true when looking at grass blades and bricks.
Tried this in both auto and manual mode, and still the G4 came ahead. Loss of detail is very disappointing, especially when I've paid more than double the G4 ($770) for this phone.
Sadly, I'm going to return this back to T-Mobile and wait a little until the S8 comes out (hopefully without the home button and backwards capacitive keys). Maybe by that time the Pixel XL 128GB will drop in price and I'll consider that. Even though the phone experience is snappy and fast, and I kind of like the second top screen, along with the finger print reader, it's the camera that makes or breaks the phone for me. And in this case, it is very disappointing to have the G4 beat it.
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16:9 is so much better even if it is just so it fills the screen.
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I'm surrounded by 16:9 screens everywhere. Why this move to 4:3 capture... Because bandwagon IMO.
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I'm surrounded by 16:9 screens everywhere. Why this move to 4:3 capture... Because bandwagon IMO.
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I know man. Stupid companies copy Apple all the time it's annoying. I know why it's being done but they should really fill the screen like then do in video capture. Was considering v20 but the g4 was such an amazing photo phone nothing beat it and has beat it for a while. Video capture is still better on Samsung though because sound on the g4 is poo and stabilisation is not great.
Very interesting...I was just about to make a post about this, but I'm glad that I found this thread.
The V20 does a lot worse in low light than my Note 4. I am pretty disappointed with it not meeting my expectations. To date, My S7 and Note 4 take the best pictures and that's sad in a way that it out classes the V20 camera. :/
imx298 was a big mistake for a flagship with this price
imx378 could be a good choice...
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Very interesting...I was just about to make a post about this, but I'm glad that I found this thread.
The V20 does a lot worse in low light than my Note 4. I am pretty disappointed with it not meeting my expectations. To date, My S7 and Note 4 take the best pictures and that's sad in a way that it out classes the V20 camera. :/
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The s7 is so so good in low light. Was just taking photos inside in the dark of the kids dresses up in masks etc with only torch light and the photos were really good. My g4 cannot get much in that light but will be interesting to see what the v20 can do.
That's disappointing, I find the Pixel XL pretty uninteresting except of course for the amazing camera and I was thinking about exchanging it for a V20...
Additionaly the OP3T might get a IMX398 http://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_3t_said_to_feature_a_sony_imx398_sensor-news-21328.php so I guess I'll have to wait for that OP3T now
Or the new Huawei Mate?
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I'm surrounded by 16:9 screens everywhere. Why this move to 4:3 capture... Because bandwagon IMO.
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Actually it was the other way around.
16:9 is a terrible aspect ratio for just about anything other than a movie on a very big screen.
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Actually it was the other way around.
16:9 is a terrible aspect ratio for just about anything other than a movie on a very big screen.
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Wait...what?
calculateaspectratio
At my work, most if not all, the monitors are 1920x1080. Even the projectors in the conference rooms, (I've had the facilities people take out the 4:3 projector screens so we can use the wall), I've set to 1920x1080. At home, all I have are 16:9 TVs.
When I take pics and videos, and create family slide shows and such, all are 16:9....so I can play them back on my 16:9 TVs and devices.
16:9 is terrible? I don't know about that.
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At my work, most if not all, the monitors are 1920x1080. Even the projectors in the conference rooms, (I've had the facilities people take out the 4:3 projector screens so we can use the wall), I've set to 1920x1080. At home, all I have are 16:9 TVs.
When I take pics and videos, and create family slide shows and such, all are 16:9....so I can play them back on my 16:9 TVs and devices.
16:9 is terrible? I don't know about that.
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Vertically short monitors but fat are bad for anything other than theater movie watching. Movie watching isa minority of most computer LCD use. Most users would benefit from 4:3 or 5:4 in normal use. Less scrolling, and easier reading. Less wasted space of just filler going unused. It isn't isn't until you're dealing with UHD 30" class that 16:9 really works with 2 side by side windows.
LCD makers switched to basically only 16:9 to save on margins and manufacturing expense...not because it was better. Was also a carrot to get consumers to replace otherwise functioning gear.
What are you talking about? 4:3 yields no benefit in a society where wide screen has taken over monitors, tvs and projectors. Unless you're living in the 90s there is No advantage to having that aspect ratio in 2016.
It's 2016, good luck finding a new TV or even monitors in a 4:3 aspect ratio. It's a dead aspect ratio so there is zero point in making cameras with this aspect ratio.
We can argue about how 4:3 is better but the fact is in society 16:9 is everywhere there is no reason to use 4:3 when everything runs 16:9. There is no benefit to it.
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What are you talking about? 4:3 yields no benefit in a society where wide screen has taken over monitors, tvs and projectors. Unless you're living in the 90s there is No advantage to having that aspect ratio in 2016.
It's 2016, good luck finding a new TV or even monitors in a 4:3 aspect ratio. It's a dead aspect ratio so there is zero point in making cameras with this aspect ratio.
We can argue about how 4:3 is better but the fact is in society 16:9 is everywhere there is no reason to use 4:3 when everything runs 16:9. There is no benefit to it.
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A) He just listed reasons for why this is happening.
B) Saying there is no benefit to 4:3 means you don't know anything about photography.
When shooting a photo in 16:9 the MP get reduced to "only" 9MP.
When i get the picture info from a G4 the info says 16mp.
So then MP's aren't reduced when shooting in 16:9 or 4:3.
Why is it that HTC does? Or is LG lying in the pic info.
The HTC u11's camera sensor is a native 4:3 sensor so if you take a 16:9 pic it will crop that 4:3 pic down to 16:9 which of course would reduce the number of total pixels because you are cropping the top and bottom of the pic. Same goes for other camera sensors that have a native 16:9 sensor. If you wanted a 4:3 pic it will crop the left and right sides, reducing the total number of pixels.
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And what's wrong with a 9MP anyway ?
Fred98TJ said:
And what's wrong with a 9MP anyway ?
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Did i say it's wrong? Can only imagine if you want a wall frame picture it can be difficult.
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The HTC u11's camera sensor is a native 4:3 sensor so if you take a 16:9 pic it will crop that 4:3 pic down to 16:9 which of course would reduce the number of total pixels because you are cropping the top and bottom of the pic. Same goes for other camera sensors that have a native 16:9 sensor. If you wanted a 4:3 pic it will crop the left and right sides, reducing the total number of pixels.
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Thanks for the info.. So LG uses a 16:9 lens I guess.
I always take pics in 16:9.... So that's why I wanna know.
@*justintime* I found this article explaining very well : http://m.gsmarena.com/lg_g6_vs_lg_g5_quadcam_comparo-news-23636.php
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Did i say it's wrong? Can only imagine if you want a wall frame picture it can be difficult.
Thanks for the info.. So LG uses a 16:9 lens I guess.
I always take pics in 16:9.... So that's why I wanna know.
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Correct, the LG G4's sensor has a native 16:9 aspect ratio and the U11's sensor is a native 4:3 aspect ratio.
Regarding 9MP, have you ever watched any 4k content on a large screen 4k tv, like a 60 or maybe even larger?
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Correct, the LG G4's sensor has a native 16:9 aspect ratio and the U11's sensor is a native 4:3 aspect ratio.
Regarding 9MP, have you ever watched any 4k content on a large screen 4k tv, like a 60 or maybe even larger?
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Do you know how many MP's a photo has to be ti display stunningly on a large screen 4k TV, that is to look as great as a 4k content video?
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Correct, the LG G4's sensor has a native 16:9 aspect ratio and the U11's sensor is a native 4:3 aspect ratio.
Regarding 9MP, have you ever watched any 4k content on a large screen 4k tv, like a 60 or maybe even larger?
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Do you know how many MP's a photo has to be ti display stunningly on a large screen 4k TV, that is to look as great as a 4k content video?
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I really don't know... You tell me? I am not a photographer.
I watch photos on TV 65" not 4K...and with the G4 it looks good to me.
Didn't test the U11 though...
Hi everyone!
Which resolution do you use, 12 mpx or 20 mpx? 12mpx gives you hybrid zoom x2 but phone only uses rgb lens, while 20mpx supposedly uses both lenses to create a hybrid colour/b&w pic. So which do you use? I have it on 12mpx in order to use zoom but don't really know which is best.
Cheers!
It actually depends on your preference and the situation you want to create in the photo. I use the 20mp when shooting wide angle landscapes, while im using the 12mp when shooting portraits or closeups
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It actually depends on your preference and the situation you want to create in the photo. I use the 20mp when shooting wide angle landscapes, while im using the 12mp when shooting portraits or closeups
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Thanks for replying! I've actually found that shooting a normal close up pic on 12mpx shoots in kind of a wide-angle effect. Last friday celebrating carnival at school, I was able to fit in a whole class of 28 kids from a few feet away. If u look at the pic, it looks like it has been shot on a wide-angle lens!
Any more opinions on camera config are more than welcome!
I don't believe that the 20MPx option uses both cameras. When you partially cover the B&W sensor, there is no noticable effect on the photo. Looks like it is only software based up-scaling and may get you jagged edges sometimes. After some testing with 20MPx and then 20MPx resized to 12MPx just for comparison, I prefer the 12MPx default setting.
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I don't believe that the 20MPx option uses both cameras. When you partially cover the B&W sensor, there is no noticable effect on the photo. Looks like it is only software based up-scaling and may get you jagged edges sometimes. After some testing with 20MPx and then 20MPx resized to 12MPx just for comparison, I prefer the 12MPx default setting.
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Hi Marian, thanks for your reply!
So on a phone with a dual camera, what would be the purpose of the dual lens?? If one is rgb and the other monocrome, don't they both work together to provide depth information and zoom? Or do all colour pics use just the one rgb lens and the other is exclusively for b&w pics?? Seems a little pointless to me...
You are totally right about the sw upscale to 20mp as any other camera app only detects a maximum resolution of 12 mp, but it seems strange to me that even on 12mp colour pictutes, the phone wouldn't use both lens (depth and zoom) because the inferior P20 Lite precisely doess that on all the reviews I read about it (I've always thought that was the point of all dual-lens cameras).
Cheers!
The B&W sensor should provide depth information. You can try different camera modes and cover the B&W sensor. The phone says "Please do not cover the lenses." in some camera modes. But if you don't put finger too close, nothing happens. I can't tell it does anything at all to the image quality which seems strange. Did they made some mistake in latest build? It only does have some effect on aperture mode when you can see heat haze effect on display. It sucks we don't have more options like jpg quality or sliders for post-process filters.