INTRODUCTION
I am starting this forum in hope of educating my readers about ROM development according to my experiences. Further, I will highlight what is the usual developers' thought process before they decide to build a ROM for a specific device. The reasons why they usually choose a certain device or why they prefer one device over another would also be stated briefly. I also have intention of looking into ways how we can speed up ROM productions for Xperia L and what you can do to play your part.
I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION FOR NO CUSTOM ROMS EVEN AFTER 7 MONTHS BUT THIS DOESNOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SPAM
I am sure many of you must be really disappointed by the lack of development for Xperia L and I know this must be frustrating when we see other devices are getting ROMS so quickly. However, sad to put this into writing that many users have indulge into SPAMMING and I have not seen a more unorganised forum at XDA for a while. I know many are too excited when they find a little about any OTA/ Custom ROM and sharing such news is fully justified after it seems plausible. However, it's beyond my logic & thinking why the forums are SPAMMED for any little information they might find anywhere regardless of their sources or if it has been ALREADY POSTED. I reckon many of these threads could have been avoided by simply searching in the forum.
ROM DEVELOPMENT
I can assure you that many develoeprs are working very hard to PORT and develop different ROMS for Xperia L. However, the reason we can not see any CUSTOM roms till yet is due to complicated nature of Xperia L itself.
Usually developers prefer a device which is :
1. Easy to work with, less complicated to code with or in other terms DEVELOPER friendly. For example, for a while I had a real issue with HTC phones as they have too many things to work with like Bootloader, S Lock, Radios, Hboot version etc while in Nexus devices you only need to unlock your device with one fastboot command. That's all and you are ready to flash ROMs.
2. Personal preference of Device. This simply means that we all have different tastes and thus we choose different devices. A certain developer might only work for a certain brand while other might work with few brands. This has nothing to do with anything but a personal choice.
3. A device that promises reward in terms of money/self satisfaction. Developers usually go for devices which have most active users so if their intention is also to get some money out of it in terms of donation, this will work well with devices which are more in number.
4. Knowledge about a certain brand more than another.
5. MONEY TO BUY A CERTAIN DEVICE/DEVICES. Suppose a developer wants to make ROMS for Xperia L/ SP/Z and Xperia U. Yet he only has 500 dollars to choose from. He then will have to make a choice between devices and this will eventually mean that not all of the devices get the same treatment. Money is the most decisive factor why a developer doesnot chose your device but rather another. For example purpose only, if I have to choose between devices, I might prefer SP over Xperia L as I can see more future of SP than Xperia L(I might be wrong).
SOME REQUESTS
Please STOP bugging developers by trivial questions. Just think how many other people ask the same question and it gets very frustrating to actually work on the device itself.
Every developer has a LIFE apart from developing ROMs. They also have a family, school, work, hobbies, bad days and so much like us. So they will do it when they feel like doing it. Just sit back and relax. Enjoy your device until developer releases the ROM for your device. Asking a REASONABLE question seems plausible but asking same questions/useless questions without using brains is just STUPID. Kindly refrain from that.
Ubberlaggydarwin has taken the initiative to work on CyanogenMod and I believe the best thing now is to be patient. Let him concentrate. Spamming and spamming again won't help really. I saw the other posts from other CM developers who clearly stated that CM team do not HAVE xperia L till yet to start working on CM and people have started SPAMMING developers, their twitters, blogs and accounts. That's really sad. You can discuss on the forum what you think about it but IRKING developers isnot really cool.
The reason of this forum is to work as a team and I am afraid we havenot been really good at it till now and moderators have to CLOSE/DELETE forums.
If you are wondering why Xperia L isnot getting many CUSTOM ROMS is that it is a complicated device and small developers are having a tough job working on it. Thus, many developers who could easily port a ROM or build one haven't been successful as their are many stumbling blocks to work with.
WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP DEVELOPERS AND SEE CUSTOM ROMS.
1. Search the form first and look for answers. DON'T start new posts/questions/threads when it is ALREADY mentioned in some other section.
2. STOP PMing/SPAMING developers but rather ask a question WHICH havenot been asked before in the forum. Do not engage in the habit of making a new forum for everything. Try to keep threads as little as possible.
3. Follow developers and see what they have updated about on their official twitter,facebook,etc rather than bugging them on different forums/social websites.
4 DONATE THEM. DONATE THEM . DONATE THEM!
The amount of efforts they put, sitting for hours in front of their PCs and I know how frustrating it gets when you try to run commands and everything seems to work yet you can not boot up your ROM. And worse, you can not find WHY really. Just a change in line in build.prop results in failure of ROM to boot up and specially working from source to build ROM is really really tough. The best thing you can do is being supportive and patient !
A ROM development requires not just EXCESSIVE amount of hardwork, time, energy and dedication but also they need MONEY to actually buy devices and try it on. They are happy and encouraged to keep on developing ROMs when they see their efforts are not wasted and they are rewarded and respected for what they do.
MY SUGGESTION
An easy way to encourage the developers to work for Xperia L is by donations. Give them donations to buy a specific device. In our case, we can agree on how much we all can donate. After it is learnt how many devices can be bought with donations, we can send the amount to different developers to buy Xperia L.
I give you the opportunity to write on this forum who wants to donate and whom they trust to do this job. Specific developers can be chosen.
You can discuss about why you chose a certain developer and how much he can offer. In the end, voting should be done between users who are willing to donate so we can agree who will be the best men to do this job (of developing ROMs).
I am NOT asking for any donations myself (I have no donation bar in my account) or no one has asked me to start this post.
I will appreciate that people do not SPAM THIS THREAD.
ONLY put really important points or if you are willing to donate or want to make a valid point. I will add the names and the amount any user wishes to donate so we can track how much have been donated in theory before we can actually take the next step.
Xperia L costs around US $235 in USA, GBP 217 in the UK. So even if 50 people donate around 5-7 dollars (less than one hour of your wage), we can have many ROMS and support for our device.
I donot have a paypal account and I will ask my bank if I can make transactions to PAYPAL to tell you that I am the first person to take initiative of my theory.
UPDATE : STARTED A FORUM IN DEVELOPMENT SECTION TO FIND DEVELOPERS.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47791745#post47791745
Kindly show your support and write on the thread now and then so most people can see the thread and we can reach more developers.
UPDATES :
UPDATE 24/11/2013:
Most developers have still not given any positive response till yet and I can only disappoint you that I do not see any CUSTOM development until January. No CM brewing officially and the device added on CM is just for reference. uberlaggydarwin is interested but he doesnot have the device till yet.
UPDATE 26/11/2013
I am in talks with few more developers who have shown interest in Xperia L. I am trying my best to get developers for your device!
I hope to give you good news soon. Currently I am trying to hunt down DOOMLORD who is also very experienced developer at XDA.
Uberlaggydarwin is close to buy an Xperia L and he seems to finish Xperia L development before January if donations are made by then in time. I have confirmed. Support him by donations.Check third post
UPDATE 29/11/2013
Uberlaggydarwin is still in short of money to buy Xperia L. He is still waiting for more donations made via Paypal or Google Play. Kindly Donate to him in case you want to speed up development.
UPDATE 1/12/2013
Uberlaggydarwin is having exams till wednesday. He will be then be having some holidays. If he can get donations, he will buy the phone and start working on it. He also told me that he will add few dollars himself if donations reach to a certain level.
UPDATE 3/12/2013
Uberlaggydarwin is going to make a PROPER STABLE ROM and he will strive hard to do it ! He is only interested in development and thus I believe I might be doing all the User support for CM for him! Anyone who wants to volunteer is highly appreciated.
UPDATE 7/12/2013
Uberlaggy darwin is going to buy the device soon and he has got the money to buy the device. Well, I believe the reason why I started this forum has been accomplished. This wouldnot be updated anymore and If in case required, I will again start updating this thread. Thank You so much for your donations and working as a team to make it possible for uberlaggydarwin to buy the device. Remember he has put his own 140 dollars into the device. If you are happy with his work and appreciate the CM when it comes available, you can continue donating to him.
UPDATE 7/12/2013
Ubberlaggydarwin said, he will release CAF kernel within three days when he gets the device!
He is very enthusiastic about working CM on Xperia L.
WANT DETAILED UPDATES : CHECK THEM HERE
DEVELOPERS WHO ARE WILLING TO WORK FOR XPERIA L
@uberlaggydarwin
You can support him by buying his apps on google play. They are for 0.99, 2.74 and 4.56. Together they add up to 8.29 in dollars
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uberlaggydarwin.supportkangaroohacker
You can also donate via PayPal by clicking this :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/donatetome.php?u=5314976
PayPal address ([email protected])
DONATIONS MADE BY
A big round of applause who have made possible for CM to be made possible on Xperia L:
@Voltal
@LaZiODROID
@utsavkoju
These are people who have donated to the best of my knowledge, if you think your name should be here. PM me !
Thanking them is least you can do!
Reserved for other important points/suggestions/feedback
Buddy... I can ensure you that you wrote every word I´d like to have written!!
A very big thanks for you... and I hope everyone here read, understand and feel the real purpose behind those words.
Simply awesome!! Hats off!!!
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if possible can u add two names >
@adfad666
@uberlaggydarwin
Thanks
Just bought a Xperia L the other week and I have to say the XL forums here on xda really baffled me.
I owned a X8 before and it was weird to see the little development and loads of nonsense here. That was surprising to me when looking at the specs and the price tag of this phone.
Thanks for this thread, I'm looking forward to supporting any good and motivated dev. :good:
I think I uberlaggydarwin was stating interest in working on the XL as soon as he gets his hands on it. Also, CM has added the XL to their database on their website.
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Just bought a Xperia L the other week and I have to say the XL forums here on xda really baffled me.
I owned a X8 before and it was weird to see the little development and loads of nonsense here. That was surprising to me when looking at the specs and the price tag of this phone.
Thanks for this thread, I'm looking forward to supporting any good and motivated dev. :good:
I think I uberlaggydarwin was stating interest in working on the XL as soon as he gets his hands on it. Also, CM has added the XL to their database on their website.
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Same here, I'm coming from Neo V(Xperia 2011)there have really good development. nAa make 3.4 kernel for it and one great dev(mike) bring cm10.1/2 and now he boot cm11...
I saw the spec and the price of this device, but I forgot to search and see what development going here...But I'm optimistic for this device and I think that if we get Cm10.1/2/11 development will start with full speed.
And just to tell you,this in the Cm site is just placeholder and uberlaggydarwin start to work on cm10.1 for our device, but he don't have the device I want to help him with donate but I don't have a credit card...Will try to find someone to donate from me.
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if possible can u add two names >
@adfad666
@uberlaggydarwin
Thanks
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steeserious said:
Just bought a Xperia L the other week and I have to say the XL forums here on xda really baffled me.
I owned a X8 before and it was weird to see the little development and loads of nonsense here. That was surprising to me when looking at the specs and the price tag of this phone.
Thanks for this thread, I'm looking forward to supporting any good and motivated dev. :good:
I think I uberlaggydarwin was stating interest in working on the XL as soon as he gets his hands on it. Also, CM has added the XL to their database on their website.
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Same here, I'm coming from Neo V(Xperia 2011)there have really good development. nAa make 3.4 kernel for it and one great dev(mike) bring cm10.1/2 and now he boot cm11...
I saw the spec and the price of this device, but I forgot to search and see what development going here...But I'm optimistic for this device and I think that if we get Cm10.1/2/11 development will start with full speed.
And just to tell you,this in the Cm site is just placeholder and uberlaggydarwin start to work on cm10.1 for our device, but he don't have the device I want to help him with donate but I don't have a credit card...Will try to find someone to donate from me.
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I am in contact with uberlaggydarwin and he still hasnot got the device. He has worked a bit for our device using his friend phone but that's not enough. He told me that he is seriously considering CM for Xperia L and he will tell me about it in a day or two. Also, he got exams next week so it wouldnot surprise me that if he takes his time to reply back. Kindly do not PM him or quote him unless required as I am in direct talks with him.
adfad666 is a well known developer but I am not sure if he is interested in development for Xperia L. Can you ask him if he is interested in development for Xperia L. If suppose he is, we can give him incentives to work for our device. Just see what he says about it.
As far as CM is concerned, they still havenot got the device yet. And they NEVER announce support for any device until they have made CM already. It's really surprising as I have never seen CM add a device with no build but I hope it means good news for Xperia L.
About donations, it's not that we are doing a FAVOUR to developers but simply incentives / ways to have enough money to buy the device. That's it. Developers need devices until they can actually make the ROMS. In real, they are the ones who are helping us!
You can support developers by buying their apps on google play,however, I am not providing links until a developer confirms he is serious about Xperia L.
I can not tell you more at this point as some things need to be sorted out between developers and it is just in "suggestion phase"
We only need one CUSTOM rom like CM and I am sure, many small developers will base their ROMS on it. So we will soon have a lot of custom ROMS.
Around 4 people have asked for alternative ways to donate apart from paypal/credit card. If any one has suggestions, do write them.
Update:
I got exam this monday and tuesday so I might not write back soon
Update 2 : started a forum. Link in the first post. Check it out and support the thread.
@serajr
@naitik2012
@steeserious
@siankatabg
I am sorry to break this disappoint you
MAJOR UPDATE :
I hate to disappoint you all but it seems that we won't see any custom ROM till the end of January unless we find a developer. I have talked to my sources and I can only break to you this news.There is nothing brewing at the moment in official CM either.
However it's very possible that someone is working on a Rom whom I don't know.
uberlaggydarwin is developer from Xperia SP and he is interested. He got a bootable CM and done quite a work but he hasnot got the device itself.
He had been working on the device of his friend which wouldnot be available to him any more. I am not sure what happens next and I will update you if i have any more updates.
Kindly do not ask about my sources as I simply can't.
Unless we attract any other developer, we are on our own. So if anyone can help or reach developers, kindly share.
The main reason for no real roms for Xperia L is develoeprs not ready to buy this device.
UPDATE 26/11/2013
I am in talks with few more developers who have shown interest in Xperia L. I am trying my best to get developers for your device!
I will give you good news soon. Currently I am trying to hunt down DOOMLORD who is also very experienced developer at XDA. I am also in talks with others but it's very early to say anything till yet. I am hoping to get a reply from DoomLord by tomorrow!
Uberlaggydarwin :Just wanted to give a big shoutout/thanks to Stefan Ernst (steeserious?) from Germany and Jon Nightingale from Australia (don't know your alias mate )
They donated a generous amount to buy me a Xperia L so my Xperia L followers can get CM on their devices too and all the others who bought my app
I'm not there yet though. Let's see if we can sort out something by the end of December
You all rock!
Can't wait to be rocking an AOSP rom on my device with you.
He is still short on donations !
UPDATE 29/11/13
I had talks with uberlaggydarwin and he is still short on cash to buy Xperia L device. He is serious about Xperia L if you can help him buy the device. Also, we talked about how we can send him donations apart from his paypal & google play apps. Check third post of this thread to donate. Moreover, if you can not donate yourself, you can ask someone to donate via their paypal/bank account and you can hand them cash. 5 to 10 dollars isnot a big deal. You spend that amount of money on fast food. Come On guys!!!
Other developers that I have talked with havenot given any positive response so till now we only have hope of uberlaggydarwin!
Currently uberlaggydarwin has got exams so I might not be able to reach uberlaggydarwin
i would like to port ROM existenZ rom(Niaboc79) ,, now what i just need is kernel with working CWM :'(
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i would like to port ROM existenZ rom(Niaboc79) ,, now what i just need is kernel with working CWM :'(
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There is a kernel with working CWM for 4.2.2 ,, Just without WiFi Working
Here it is : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2499061&page=3
serajr said:
Buddy... I can ensure you that you wrote every word I´d like to have written!!
A very big thanks for you... and I hope everyone here read, understand and feel the real purpose behind those words.
Simply awesome!! Hats off!!!
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naitik2012 said:
if possible can u add two names >
@adfad666
@uberlaggydarwin
Thanks
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steeserious said:
Just bought a Xperia L the other week and I have to say the XL forums here on xda really baffled me.
I owned a X8 before and it was weird to see the little development and loads of nonsense here. That was surprising to me when looking at the specs and the price tag of this phone.
Thanks for this thread, I'm looking forward to supporting any good and motivated dev. :good:
I think I uberlaggydarwin was stating interest in working on the XL as soon as he gets his hands on it. Also, CM has added the XL to their database on their website.
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siankatabg said:
Same here, I'm coming from Neo V(Xperia 2011)there have really good development. nAa make 3.4 kernel for it and one great dev(mike) bring cm10.1/2 and now he boot cm11...
I saw the spec and the price of this device, but I forgot to search and see what development going here...But I'm optimistic for this device and I think that if we get Cm10.1/2/11 development will start with full speed.
And just to tell you,this in the Cm site is just placeholder and uberlaggydarwin start to work on cm10.1 for our device, but he don't have the device I want to help him with donate but I don't have a credit card...Will try to find someone to donate from me.
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Xenodrome_ said:
i would like to port ROM existenZ rom(Niaboc79) ,, now what i just need is kernel with working CWM :'(
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Sparksys said:
There is a kernel with working CWM for 4.2.2 ,, Just without WiFi Working
Here it is : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2499061&page=3
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I have started Updating about Xperia L development on second post. Do check it regularly. I need your support in case any developer is ready to help us. Kindly if you can donate or are ready to use device for test versions and submit logs to developers, that be great!
Even if you can not do any of the above, you can suggest opinions and think of ways to be helpful.
you might wanna check uberlaggydarwin's Google+, cm might not be too far away.
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you might wanna check uberlaggydarwin's Google+, cm might not be too far away.
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I am in direct talks with him. Thank you !
Good news from Brinly Taylor
Just wanted to give a big shoutout/thanks to steeserious from Germany and Jon Nightingale from Australia (don't know your alias mate )
They donated a generous amount to buy me a Xperia L so my Xperia L followers can get CM on their devices too and all the others who bought my app
I'm not there yet though. Let's see if we can sort out something by the end of november
You all rock!
Can't wait to be rocking an AOSP rom on my device with you.
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Good news from Brinly Taylor
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Its already been mentioned in updates. Kindly don't rewrite something already present or if you want to donate or you have something really important to share.
I just donated U$5, may not be much, but i hope it helps a little bit. After 6/12 i will know how much i have free from my budget of December.
Also donated!
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I have i suggestion, and I don't know if someone else has posted something like this before, but why don't we make some donation so we can buy the z3 for the rom developers like we did with the Xperia Z2? Sorry for my bad English.
With all my respect for the devs on XDA these guys are doing an amazing job on Xperia development... [NUT], Niaboc79, monx, Doomlord
I'll give 20 euros but I don't use PayPal.
I'm in! Don't know who should get one first, though.
Count me in!
Maybe we should make a Root Bounty thread, like they did for the Z1s (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2644946)
Maybe we should tag the devs in this thread so we can get there opinion on the idea?
I could build rom for Z3 and Z3c if the community is able to give me one of them
Start a bounty thread with someone ready to receive donations then when the right amount is reached, send the money to a dev
Will donate for root with locked bootloader.
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I could build rom for Z3 and Z3c if the community is able to give me one of them
Start a bounty thread with someone ready to receive donations then when the right amount is reached, send the money to a dev
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I would love to see the eXistenZ rom on the Z3
And if i am not wrong, I think @monx got the Z3 already.
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And if i am not wrong, I think @monx got the Z3 already.
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We need @DooMLoRD, @niaboc79 and @[NUT]
I'm in 20 $. We need someone with good reputation and free time, to start a Thread. Best idea as i think someone from xda staff.
I think z3c users will join us.
And here was another thread with the same idea
I am in with 50€. Let's get this thing started.
I'm in with $20 dollars
no disrespect to other devs.. @DooMLoRD for mind as he has proven track record with exploits, kernels, guides etc plus lots of other awesome support. roms come and go but multi-purpose developers worth their weight in gold
I'm willing to donate something too, but for kickstarting the Verizon Z3v variant because we've yet to achieve root. :/
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I'm also willing to donate for a root solution for t-mobille Z3.
I'm in too, of course. Great community to help each other, and this is the way we ( without such a knowledge like our pros ) can do it.
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Same here! Count me in with 20€
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Ok so if people in here trust me, I will be willing to open a new thread with my paypal info so people can donate and i will keep the list updated. I have alot of free time. And maybe we can make a vote system so the people who make a donation can vote on the dev they want to buy a device for? What do you guys think?
Hello everyone, how lucky we're become one of devices that has great developers behind which they support our devices, workin' hard to make some cool CustomRom for our devices.
Fact that they're only human nor a robots or builder rom machines, have you guys ever think of how many times they spent, how many gigs they have to pull the sources,and uploading the rom for you guys??..May some refuse to get paid,may some devs did it as a hobies, fact that its all cost a money. We have a great user numbers here, so isn't hard to put some donates for them..
I made this post, cause of one of our great devs may leave us soon @LuK1337thank you so much for all you've done for our devices
OrdinaryNoob
His last statetment..
OrdinaryNoob
So he only want donations to keep building on for us what about NO! we have enough other devs that do this for free just because they like to do it they dont ask for donations!
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So he only want donations to keep building on for us what about NO! we have enough other devs that do this for free just because they like to do it they dont ask for donations!
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His last statetment..
OrdinaryNoob
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1) No one ask for Donation but its Users if they like they can support Dev's by donating ..
2) Remember Dev's spend lot of time of Development and many devs use Server and other Paid Stuffs in order to keep development intact even Rom Developers like carbon, aogp , aicp all build using servers which cost a lot and they pay with their own money for community they just request for donation only to keep development active..
3) no person can spend money all time for development purpose if users support they will support too because 1 can pay for sometime but not permanently hence Dev's leave when Device get old/users dont support (Donation is Not Compulsory) but its support for devs
4) Finally its end users choise no devs/members force anyone
Agreed none force to donates, i made this post just to make all of us think cuz i believe everything has cause&effect , face it that's the rules..
As i found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2805114
Did anyone of you donates to andrew when he fix this issues on his CM12 Alpha??proof us when anyone of you did that
OrdinaryNoob
Be grateful guys
OrdinaryNoob
Who'a next..
And yeaaasss still alot Devs on my list would receives that,you're guys rock..
OrdinaryNoob
@andreww your paypal @ [email protected]
Cannot send you, please any other account??
OrdinaryNoob
Heeey, i never, would ever forget you, damn hope you still here mate, thanks [email protected]
OrdinaryNoob
Why i did this, and i'll keep on doing this..so that everyone of us (s2ve/p) users can do the same thing so that every devs can keep on doing their devs,. Open your eyes how many old & some of you called crap devices can use Kitkat,and now Lollipop, even some devices was only dreams to tasted kitkat on it, even the higher prices devices still lack of developements..be gratefull guys..
OrdinaryNoob
@jackeagle sorry
OrdinaryNoob
i would suggest to anyone which can afford it to save 50$ away monthly and spend it on donations onto various open source projects you like and use.
because this people are doing a good amount of WORK which adds value to us all, so they defenitely deserve some money for it imho.
just my 2 cents
Next ghsr...recovery for my LG thanks mate
Good afternoon Lenovo P2-community,
I bought the P2 this week and afterwards I realised , that the main developers wzedlare and EypCnn left to the Moto G5-community just in time.
What about other developers or those who want to become one, is there a chance to see continous builds of LineageOS e.g.?
It would be extremely sad if not..
Please update me - how are the odds for a revival of the P2 development?
Best regards
swatchfb
Edit:
It's done once and twice officially. Thanks @mikeioannina
Unless we get a Dev that takes donations or something like that.
I for one would donate for an official lineage OS.
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Good afternoon Lenovo P2-community,
I bought the P2 this week and afterwards I realised , that the main developers wzedlare and EypCnn left to the Moto G5-community just in time.
What about other developers or those who want to become one, is there a chance to see continous builds of LineageOS e.g.?
It would by extremely sad if not..
Please update me - how are the odds for a revival of the P2 development?
Best regards
swatchfb
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Yes it's really sad to see a this much good device not having the development it deserves.Its competitor redmi note 4 which is inferior to p2 has a lot better development. I think this device isn't sold much like moto g5 plus and redmi note 4.Atleast here in India, sale is very less and other devices have been sold at least upto 100 times more.I am still skeptical about the development.P1 doesn't have a great development either.We have roms but they are buggy.Would have been nice to have wzedlare and egypcnn here
I would donate too...
Damn, why did they go to the Moto G5? It's clearly a downgrade -.-
swatchfb said:
I would donate too...
Damn, why did they go to the Moto G5? It's clearly a downgrade -.-
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Exactly Even I don't get it.And they had done so much work for 3-4 months,They almost gave us a stable rom.P2 is so much better than g5.If it would have been g5 plus i would have understood but g5!!!.I don't understand
Buy me a second P2 to dedicate to development and I will gladly continue the bringup to the point of full functionality. While I do have a P2 myself I can't afford messing with it too much as it's my work phone and I need it to be stable and reachable.
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Buy me a second P2 to dedicate to development and I will gladly continue the bringup to the point of full functionality. While I do have a P2 myself I can't afford messing with it too much as it's my work phone and I need it to be stable and reachable.
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You can compile builds brother,we are here to test .I will be your tester.But please be there for at least 1-2 years.
Just like I do with my mi 4,I test builds and the developer has been there for at least 2 years.
But plz do something for this awesome device:crying:
I'm definitely not going to do "blind-runs" and jeopardize other people's devices with builds I haven't tested myself.
Not only is it irresponsible but also extremely slow to do, even with a group of dedicated testers.
As if we knew how many people are interested in it, one could think about a collection of money.
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I'm definitely not going to do "blind-runs" and jeopardize other people's devices with builds I haven't tested myself.
Not only is it irresponsible but also extremely slow to do, even with a group of dedicated testers.
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How unstable can they be , if calling and internet works,I don't mind flashing that build.If we want something for our device,we will have to do this.
Maybe yes that can be slow,I agree.But I don't think we will be able to raise that much money to buy a new device altogether.I am still a student I can't contribute money
If you trust me enough to do this then you can always hit the Donate button linked to my XDA profile.
Just make sure you leave a note on your donation telling me what the money is meant to be used for.
If enough money accumulates for a amazon.de order of an P2, then I can just straight out buy a development device there.
That is the beauty of XDA though, if enough people want it, and each of those people dishes out 5-10 bucks, then financing something like this is easy.
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If you trust me enough to do this then you can always hit the Donate button linked to my XDA profile.
Just make sure you leave a note on your donation telling me what the money is meant to be used for.
If enough money accumulates for a amazon.de order of an P2, then I can just straight out buy a development device there.
That is the beauty of XDA though, if enough people want it, and each of those people dishes out 5-10 bucks, then financing something like this is easy.
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Let's see if we are able to ,but I don't think there are enough people to contribute.We will have to wait for a new developer.Hope he comes soon....
Your zuk z1 is in working condition?I mean you use it or not?
I would spend 20 bucks.
Maybe we should do a survey to see how many would follow
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Let's see if we are able to ,but I don't think there are enough people to contribute.We will have to wait for a new developer.Hope he comes soon....
Your zuk z1 is in working condition?I mean you use it or not?
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It's working fine and is currently in the possession of my wife.
Although I must admit she isn't the easiest-going woman and the device has seen its fair share of scruff marks since I've handed it over to her.
Hey why start from scratch when we have almost stable builds... Just ask permission for maintainer or just fork the changes. We already have a couple of working ROMs that are risk free. If you could, then try developing on it. Improve it.
Like everyone said raising money for a device is very difficult and slow. Try making modifications to the official RR or unofficial LOS. You'll receive donations for that I'm pretty sure you will.
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Hey why start from scratch when we have almost stable builds... Just ask permission for maintainer or just fork the changes. We already have a couple of working ROMs that are risk free. If you could, then try developing on it. Improve it.
Like everyone said raising money for a device is very difficult and slow. Try making modifications to the official RR or unofficial LOS. You'll receive donations for that I'm pretty sure you will.
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Very well said ,this makes more sense. Why do extra work when wzedlare and eypCnn worked for 3 months,just continue from that.And they have already said that any developer can continue from their work. :good:
Yep, sad to see a great phone like the P2 no longer have any development on XDA
Having said that the latest Nougat stock ROM is pretty good, especially in its deodexed version, and rooted. Some tweaks are missing though, like Ambient Display (is there really no way to add that with an APK ?) and customization of the pressed on the HOME button (like double-press). Now that the source code is out would it take a lot of work for a developer to add some of these tweaks ?
Okay the two Turkish devs we had left, but this is going nowhere. While donations are always appreciated asking for money to continue the development is a matter of bad taste imo. I can try to continue the Resurrection Remix builds. Also porting roms from Redmi Note 4X (SD625) should be pretty easy as the hardware is very similar. I had ported thousands of roms for Oukitel K6000 Pro, I was the first who brought Nougat to this phone (Dec 2016, when the official Nougat arrived 5 months later) and then back in time the community was in the same position lacking development so I was just driven to try it by myself. After all source code and device tree are all there, almost anyone with a basic knowledge and free time can build a rom. Give it time and I'm sure that new devs will appear.
Meanwhile I opened a new test builds thread
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Okay the two Turkish devs we had left, but this is going nowhere. While donations are always appreciated asking for money to continue the development is a matter of bad taste imo. I can try to continue the Resurrection Remix builds. Also porting roms from Redmi Note 4X (SD625) should be pretty easy as the hardware is very similar. I had ported thousands of roms for Oukitel K6000 Pro, I was the first who brought Nougat to this phone (Dec 2016, when the official Nougat arrived 5 months later) and then back in time the community was in the same position lacking development so I was just driven to try it by myself. After all source code and device tree are all there, almost anyone with a basic knowledge and free time can build a rom. Give it time and I'm sure that new devs will appear.
Meanwhile I opened a new test builds thread
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It is easy to port from Redmi 4.I know it because I ported some roms in the past.
Take etc/firmware from p2.
Take kernel(zimage) from p2
Take fstab.qcom and ueventd.qcom.rc from p2.Then it will boot but you will have a lot of bugs.It is nice to see someone hustling for a rom.If you want to port from redmi note 4, you should also take whole /vendor folder.Good luck.
Folks,
for those who may or may not know, my name is sooti, i've been a dev here building Android since 2012. I've build roms for galaxy s1, s2, s5, LG G3, Nexus 10 and more. In all of the device communities I've worked in, the majority of devs were nice, caring and were open to sharing the knowledge and helping out if needed, and I was always willing to do the same and have on many occasions. I have never hidden my work and have always immediately committed my solutions to github to help others develop faster and help the community grow, but since I got my Xiaomi A1 I've met a whole new brand of developers, who only care about getting credit and glory, have no interest in helping their fellow devs and even if and when they do, they force them to keep the code to themselves as well.
I will not name any names, but I think you can guess who, I am part of a team of devs, TEAM OREO, who have been working on our own to bring a fully working dt to the public and keep it open source, while another group has a fully working open source and is insisting on keeping the device tree to themselves. and while this doesn't violate Android rules per say, it violates the very spirit of AOSP and of XDA more then anything. We may understand companies like Xiaomi, Samsung, LG etc not sharing the rest of their source code due to monetary concerns but here at xda none of us are getting paid for our time, we are all working together to bring great projects to life for free for all to enjoy and modify and build new roms.
It really saddens me to see this and hope this is limited to this device only, although I suspect there may be some other XIaomi devices with the same bad devs.
My team and I will continue to work hard to bring you great roms and 100% open source so that you to can contribute and help this community grow.
We are currently looking for devs to help us get Camera working, which is the only thing missing, please contact me via PM and we will add you to our telegram group.
I hope to see better things in the future,
viva open source!
Sooti,
XDA developer and android enthusiast
We are also looking for testers. If you are interested, please ping me on Telegram. Make sure you know basic stuffs like taking logcat n all ?.
Regards,
#TEAMOREO
Thanks for all the work you have done for the community. I'm proud of the work TEAM OREO is bringing for the Mi A1 community and as a contributor to open source myself, I wish every other developer for the device would follow suit. I know this is just the beginning of the development phase of the device but I'm sure that other developers that will work on the phone will probably see your post and agree wholeheartedly. As a community, we must work together. There's no doubt that some people want all the praise and thanks from everyone. That's not how open source works. We aim to provide enhancements to our devices that the manufacturers are not able to give. And helping provide open trees for all is key.
I'm not giving up on the community. But I really want it to flourish. Thanks for all of your help in making this device one of the best I've ever owned.
Sent from my Xiaomi Mi A1 using XDA Labs
It's the same story, again and again...
It's like the www. Today is only money.
It's like the way the world is going.
Well it's not the first time i have seen this private stuff nature.... i had it in my old device ...
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Yes I agree truly
TeamOreo will sure make bugless ROM soon
I have never seen such developers in my life who worked at late night to fix bugs @sooti @kunalshah @pranavbedre these guys worked very hard to bring initial Oreo
Hope this team gonna rock one day
Keep going and let's hope there's a valid reason behind for not releasing DT as of now.Looking forward for more ROMs TeamOreo!
@sooti
You and team oreo are here, so it's not so bad!
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Point made, but this thread has only one direction of travel on it and its not a good one.
Thread re-opened at OP request.
However, i have cleaned the thread and if this thread goes the way i expect i will close it for good.
Greg
You guys have no rights to ask for the source when you won't contribute anything to the source. All you guys are going to do is use it for other ROMs which will end up having the same bugs as the current LOS builds. So here's my two cents, wait till everything is stable, SELinux enforcing and then the source will be available to the public as Abhishek has said.
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You guys have no rights to ask for the source when you won't contribute anything to the source. All you guys are going to do is use it for other ROMs which will end up having the same bugs as the current LOS builds. So here's my two cents, wait till everything is stable, SELinux enforcing and then the source will be available to the public as Abhishek has said.
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Give them some respect dude...they aren't some amateurs trying to copy form some elses work they have already published their tree and where is tree of los15.1 ?
All other roms have their trees published which helps other developers to fix the bugs and help the rom become stable.but if every one wants to keep the glory and credit for themselves the community will get worser and worser
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Give them some respect dude...they aren't some amateurs trying to copy form some elses work they have already published their tree and where is tree of los15.1 ?
All other roms have their trees published which helps other developers to fix the bugs and help the rom become stable.but if every one wants to keep the glory and credit for themselves the community will get worser and worser
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This.
And if someones device tree isnt ready, why post the rom at all? And your welcome to look at my xda profile, if you think I haven't contributed... Your dead wring my friend
Sorry if my words have hurt you in anyway. I just don't want this community to end .
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Sorry if my words have hurt you in anyway. I just don't want this community to end .
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Your ok, I was actually talking to the guys before you
I came over from the axon 7 forums about a week ago. i have been on the boards and dealing with android since the days of the logitech review {honeycomb i believe}. my take on the maturity here contravenes the gungho nature I have generally observed on this message board. it reminds me of what I imagine a 50 cent water army would act like when not in the office. i normally just sit in the back and observe read and learn as I go but since this is turning into group conflict it is my place to speak up. Sooti, guys I am with you in seeing the same sad state of affaira. this is definately not how civilization is built. but worse case scenario if spoilers at the table opt for self-interest over interest of the community, thereby causing entropy and disintigration, you will be able to find me over on the cyrillic android board with base in .ru they have good comraderie generally and thats across device forums as far as I can observe.
Thanks for bringing that up front straight. I came over as a user from Galaxy S devices in the hope that the MI A1 would flourish on a free and open (source) community spirit. Unfortunately things are even worse here. I don't have the time to contribute as a developer but I'd like you guys to know that I'm very thankful for your team's openess and your effort to bring true open source to this device and not let personal intrests and politics get in the way.
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Folks,
for those who may or may not know, my name is sooti, i've been a dev here building Android since 2012. I've build roms for galaxy s1, s2, s5, LG G3, Nexus 10 and more. In all of the device communities I've worked in, the majority of devs were nice, caring and were open to sharing the knowledge and helping out if needed, and I was always willing to do the same and have on many occasions. I have never hidden my work and have always immediately committed my solutions to github to help others develop faster and help the community grow, but since I got my Xiaomi A1 I've met a whole new brand of developers, who only care about getting credit and glory, have no interest in helping their fellow devs and even if and when they do, they force them to keep the code to themselves as well.
I will not name any names, but I think you can guess who, I am part of a team of devs, TEAM OREO, who have been working on our own to bring a fully working dt to the public and keep it open source, while another group has a fully working open source and is insisting on keeping the device tree to themselves. and while this doesn't violate Android rules per say, it violates the very spirit of AOSP and of XDA more then anything. We may understand companies like Xiaomi, Samsung, LG etc not sharing the rest of their source code due to monetary concerns but here at xda none of us are getting paid for our time, we are all working together to bring great projects to life for free for all to enjoy and modify and build new roms.
It really saddens me to see this and hope this is limited to this device only, although I suspect there may be some other XIaomi devices with the same bad devs.
My team and I will continue to work hard to bring you great roms and 100% open source so that you to can contribute and help this community grow.
We are currently looking for devs to help us get Camera working, which is the only thing missing, please contact me via PM and we will add you to our telegram group.
I hope to see better things in the future,
viva open source!
Sooti,
XDA developer and android enthusiast
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Hey I've known @abhishek987 from Redmi Note 3 forums and he's contributed greatly to LOS for the device and developed one of the most stable ROM(Ressurection Remix) on RN3.
So give him some time, like said earlier he's holding it until the bugs are ironed out. So many ROM threads already created with the same bugs, what's the point.
He's working hard on our device and not asking for any money. Give him space
iG0tB0lts said:
Hey I've known @abhishek987 from Redmi Note 3 forums and he's contributed greatly to LOS for the device and developed one of the most stable ROM(Ressurection Remix) on RN3.
So give him some time, like said earlier he's holding it until the bugs are ironed out. So many ROM threads already created with the same bugs, what's the point.
He's working hard on our device and not asking for any money. Give him space
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And not letting the other devs to work in the tree? So two groups doing the same job twice? Do you find any logic in it?
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And not letting the other devs to work in the tree? So two groups doing the same job twice? Do you find any logic in it?
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True. I thought the same just after posting. Well anyway, lets hope for good
Mods :- I am assuming this is something which is allowed, going by the Z2 force thread linked at bottom of post. Please PM me if we are breaking any rules.
Hello All,
Most of you might be using my custom ROMs for griffin, I have been working on this device for 2 years but now I can’t see that this device is no longer progressing these days. sadly I can’t keep the device update as much as the old days due to school and stuffs… but I’m still working on lineage 15 & 16. now my friend ( @DD3Boh ) is interested to help in the development to bring up a cool kernel for us and help me in ROMs and more…
He worked on creating trees and bringing LineageOS to almost same msm8996 device (Lenovo Zuk Z2) even though he ported fully working kernel 4.4 to his device. Now, we think he should own the Moto Z to continue developing for it and give us a better kernel support.
Hence @TobiPeter created a PayPal pool and we are aiming for 180euro.
here's a link to the pool.
https://paypal.me/pools/c/89iKcS097m
This has been done before with the Moto Z2 force. In Z2 force's case the device got support once it was delivered to the dev. We are lucky to have DD3Boh, but you know official P roms is coming.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/z2-force/how-to/z2-developement-thread-getting-device-t3727688
Questions, queries, comments? Feel free to post.
Thanks. :highfive:
UPDATE 11Nov: @DD3Boh received the money and ordered device.
I'm more than happy to chip in some money to get this dev a phone. The continued development of the MotoZ is always welcome, and certainly appreciated, especially now that the official support has ended.
we found a cheaper device and pool goal changed to 150EUR
but this device deal ends in next 2 days
we hope to reach the goal
only 15EUR to go...
thanks for contributions guys
erfanoabdi said:
we found a cheaper device and pool goal changed to 150EUR
but this device deal ends in next 2 days
we hope to reach the goal
only 15EUR to go...
thanks for contributions guys
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Link says it's all gone Pete tong!? ?
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O l l i X said:
Link says it's all gone Pete tong!?
Sent from my Moto Z using XDA Labs
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That's because we reached the goal!
The dev should have his device in about 2 weeks.
So, hello everyone. Yesterday the money pool reached the goal so it has been closed and I got the money immediately, so I've already ordered the phone. It'll arrive in about 15-25 days. Thank you to everyone who donated to let me buy this device, I hope to do a good job on it and to enjoy meanwhile. And let's #MakeGriffinGreatAgain
Just some hours ago I got, finally I would say, the device. Already flashed TWRP and @erfanoabdi's lineage build with my kernel. It's running really good and I'm enjoying this phone already. Now I can finally seriously work on this phone, thank you everyone for the support and I 'm sure you won't be disappointed
The pool has been removed
Can Chinese paypal users donate him through this pool？
News any? ?
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Can Chinese paypal users donate him through this pool？
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The pool has been closed some time ago as we reached the goal.
Now me and erfan are working together on this device to make it better day by day
If you still want to donate, you should be able to do so to my PayPal, but you don't need to, don't worry