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Hello.
I've made a post over at the android-platform Google group about a proposal for Google/T-Mobile to make it possible to unlock the bootloader of a G1 and essentially turn it into the newly announced Dev Phone 1:
http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/t/11f54ada73590dba
Obviously many of the people here would be interested in such a thing, so if you are perhaps you could go over to that thread and register your interest by rating my post?
Thank you!
I've rated your post. Hopefully they allow us to install the custom android or give us the option to upgrade from rc30 to the 'vanilla' android.
Developer phone
I just picked up a G1 for $125 (Amex Wishlist 2008), no contract, unlocked and upgraded to modded 30 and put in my AT&T SIM. What would getting a hold of a dev phone give me?
I could easily put this one on Ebay and get a dev but I am not sure what the point is. Anyone?
Great Idea
i rated and replied to your post expressing my agreement. hopefully google will let us pay $25 to join the dev group and get the tools to convert our retail g1s to dev g1s.....Hope this is a battle we win!!!
Afaik the devphone merely has an recovery:sbin/recovery bin that does not check sigs , and a spiffy looking backplate. Unless the recovery was self protecting or there is an img to flash via spl, this would allow an ota to make the devphone an undevphone, so I am likely missing something here...I hope
JF noted (in the other thread) that Brian Swetland (one of the Android project leads) confirmed that the "unlocked bootloader" refers to the htc bootloader (tricolor screen) and not the recovery partition.
Looks like you guys got your wish go check this out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860
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Stericson said:
Looks like you guys got your wish go check this out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860
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Not really, since that requires you to have a rooted phone already.
This would be a huge step for Google to show that that actually care about devs
apatcas said:
This would be a huge step for Google to show that that actually care about devs
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I suspect the issue isn't what Google wants, but what T-Mobile will let them get away with. The release of the dev phone pretty much shows that Google is all for having an open platform for anybody who wants one. Presumably it's only their contract limitations with T-Mobile that have prevented them from offering an open-upgrade for existing G1 owners already...
To be honest, I'm amazed they were able to even offer the dev phone. Considering that this will pretty much undermine any control T-Mobile currently has over the platform in general, it'll substantially compromise any justification T-Mobile has for keeping their own version locked down.. I'm guessing it'll only be a matter of time before they open that up too, but it's just a question of how much time it will take for them to see the light.
godcomplex said:
To be honest, I'm amazed they were able to even offer the dev phone. Considering that this will pretty much undermine any control T-Mobile currently has over the platform in general, it'll substantially compromise any justification T-Mobile has for keeping their own version locked down.. I'm guessing it'll only be a matter of time before they open that up too, but it's just a question of how much time it will take for them to see the light.
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I don't think T-mobile considers DP1 to be a problem in any sense. The average consumer can't buy one in a T-mo store, it costs $400, and doesn't include Google apps. Case closed?
jashsu said:
I don't think T-mobile considers DP1 to be a problem in any sense. The average consumer can't buy one in a T-mo store, it costs $400, and doesn't include Google apps. Case closed?
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Why does everyone think it doesn't include Google Apps?
Software Features
Real web browsing
Customizable home screen
One-touch Google™ Search
Android Market
Full-featured Google applications:
Google Maps™
Gmail™
YouTube™
Google Calendar™
Google Talk™
SMS and MMS
Music player
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Why does everyone think it doesn't include Google Apps?
Full-featured Google applications:
Google Maps™
Gmail™
YouTube™
Google Calendar™
Google Talk™
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Oops. Mea culpa! In any case, price and availability aside, I don't think your average consumer cares about having an unlocked bootloader. I could be mistaken though.
Koush said:
Why does everyone think it doesn't include Google Apps?
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I thought that it would only include what was compiled from source. Even if it includes the other tools is there going to be an easy way to rebuild the open-source bits and include the Google Apps?
So has anyone received their phone yet to confirm that is is the same as a T-mobile G1 other than the open boot loader?
With great pleasure i read today that Notion Ink Adam tablet is available for preorder. i want to ask some questions
1. What operating system it will running? Rumours refer Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) is the operating system
2. If the above is true will it support upgrade to Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) when it will be ready?May be is running a custom version of Android or stock one?
3. About 3G does it cover GSM 900,1800 and UMTS 2100?
4. Will google market be available?
The tablet hasn't even passed the FCC. As of now, it doesn't even exist in a form available for consumers. The site also allows you to provide your billing info without providing a shipping address, which should set off a big red scam alert flag in your head.
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The tablet hasn't even passed the FCC. As of now, it doesn't even exist in a form available for consumers. The site also allows you to provide your billing info without providing a shipping address, which should set off a big red scam alert flag in your head.
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Thanks for the info my friend.I didnt know that it did not passed FCC.Really now i wonder why they start taking money from people.That's stupid ,not to say more bad words.
I think i must look for alternatives.
Many people like me, who don't search for info before buying something, are easy to get fraud.
Not a scam
aelole said:
Thanks for the info my friend.I didnt know that it did not passed FCC.Really now i wonder why they start taking money from people.That's stupid ,not to say more bad words.
I think i must look for alternatives.
Many people like me, who don't search for info before buying something, are easy to get fraud.
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I beg to differ with you guys. Its genuine and The pixel Q version of the tabs are already sold out and they showcased this device in CES much before you have had any clues about Galaxy tab or any other for that matter. Between I have visited their office (Bangalore, India) personally 2 days back.
They have launched a developer section too. And if you talk technically then they have managed to solve android app's inability to handle large screens.
Notionink's introspection on all your doubts.
http://notionink.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/introspection/
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I beg to differ with you guys. Its genuine and The pixel Q version of the tabs are already sold out and they showcased this device in CES much before you have had any clues about Galaxy tab or any other for that matter. Between I have visited their office (Bangalore, India) personally 2 days back.
They have launched a developer section too. And if you talk technically then they have managed to solve android app's inability to handle large screens.
Notionink's introspection on all your doubts.
http://notionink.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/introspection/
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Here's the original report, and even though the "billing info without shipping info" has been fixed, it still doesn't change the fact that it hasn't even passed the FCC. I think I'd entrust my money with an actual well-known manufacturer with a product that I can see and touch before I buy.
Why is it that the pessimist is always the first to respond. Whatever. On the FCC issue, I vaguely remember that they did something so that you can't find it but I can't remember where I found that.
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Why is it that the pessimist is always the first to respond. Whatever. On the FCC issue, I vaguely remember that they did something so that you can't find it but I can't remember where I found that.
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Well, when you're dealing with money for a luxury product that has several alternatives it's okay to be pessimistic. Better safe than sorry in a situation like this, no?
aelole said:
With great pleasure i read today that Notion Ink Adam tablet is available for preorder. i want to ask some questions
1. What operating system it will running? Rumours refer Android 2.3 (Gingerbread) is the operating system
2. If the above is true will it support upgrade to Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) when it will be ready?May be is running a custom version of Android or stock one?
3. About 3G does it cover GSM 900,1800 and UMTS 2100?
4. Will google market be available?
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Here, have some valuable information:
"We have done something with our FCC application and it will be little difficult for you to find us!"
to answer your questions:
1. It will most likely run on 2.2 at first but "Eden is extremely compatible with 2.3" this implies that they are working on it.
2."This was a big step in converting your Android to a tablet version OS (and one of the updates coming in 3.0)" I'm not sure what this implies, but it might mean we will get 3.0
3.I have no idea, the whole 3g thing is a little confusing
4."Will it support the Google Market place? Or do you have your own market place/App Store that you are developing?
-We will have our own market place."
however, it probably won't take long for the devs to get the market on it.
TheBiles said:
Well, when you're dealing with money for a luxury product that has several alternatives it's okay to be pessimistic. Better safe than sorry in a situation like this, no?
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yeah I totally agree on the fact that it is okay to be pessimistic, but most of what you heard that makes the adam sound shady came from one series of articles on android police. I'm not sure, but I bet that if they tried they could make any company sound shady. Anyway, if Notion ink sounds shady, it's not really their fault, they are extremely inexperienced. It is a company run by 20-something year olds with no business experience straight out of college. They're bound to make some mistakes.
title and this webpage say all
http://www.gizmocrunch.com/android/5375-samsung-captivate-froyo-update
pay attention to "About the ongoing Samsung Froyo fiasco" talkin about user SamsungJohn
dont see anything regarding xda getting slammed
2.2 has not been released and the article does not slam XDA. Why was this post even made?
Either this article is written in Asia or they are from the future. I don't see any info which is of importance...
Quote from article
" Just yesterday, things took a turn for the worse when a Samsung Mobile rep attempted to reach out to the upset Galaxy S owners via the XDA Developers Forums. The stunt was seen as nothing more than PR grabbing by the members of XDA and worsened the relationship between US Galaxy S owners and Samsung Mobile."
ATT 2.2 here
http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa...ID=2&PROD_SUB_ID=557&PROD_ID=559&AT_ID=356772
I guess you can perceive that the article is slamming xda by assuming our members here were hostile towards john. But the article already informs that it was just a samsung pr stunt. The title of this thread is misleading. The only thing this article does is assume that there is no ota update because it will be available via kies mini which is not a good assumption because the previous update was available both ways. This is all pure speculation because no official froyo update has even been announced.
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a long while ago there was an AT&T support page showing how to find something or another and the support page showed that the firmware was 2.2, it has since been changed to a 2.1 firmware version, but as we all know, froyo hasnt happened. so, probably nothing.
Yeah the article still does not slam XDA...and as stated before a page telling you how to update does not mean there is an update.
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" Just yesterday, things took a turn for the worse when a Samsung Mobile rep attempted to reach out to the upset Galaxy S owners via the XDA Developers Forums. The stunt was seen as nothing more than PR grabbing by the members of XDA and worsened the relationship between US Galaxy S owners and Samsung Mobile."
ATT 2.2 here
http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa...ID=2&PROD_SUB_ID=557&PROD_ID=559&AT_ID=356772
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Is this page new? It links only to Kies Mini rather than to the firmware itself, and no one seems to have reported anything about updates starting, and lord only knows, we'd be hearing a lot if it was really downloadable, and the fact that the page includes the lines
Modifications:
MobiTV: Renamed to T_Mobile TV
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What are risks for performing the upgrade?
This upgrade has been thoroughly tested by Samsung and AT&T to be compatible with Captivate devices running previous versions of the released software. Customers who are running unsupported operating systems (e.g. those that are rooted or have not been received from T-Mobile and Samsung) should move forward at their own risk.
makes me think this is a placeholder page being updated in advance of the real thing and not something intended to be clicked on.
We have enough threads about this.
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I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
Here is a link to Google forums I started about the sick color of the screen.
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=26fa0683976754c4&hl=en
jalyn02 said:
I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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Google has not posted links to OTA's historically - so I don't see where that factors in.
I think you can take the fact that Google announced it was rolling out and that end user devices are receiving it (not just google employees and media units) to be a pretty good sign that it's the final OTA. As well as the fact that there are several upgrade paths provided.
On the Nexus One several "leaked" OTAs were available but they only went to google employees and media devices and provided only 1 upgrade path, from the base T-Mo version - and then only incremental upgrades for each version thereafter. The AT&T rev was left out in the cold until the final OTA at which point an OTA package was made available for every build to the final (including the leaked OTAs).
This isn't to say they won't release something in the coming weeks if they feel there are some real issues with the OTA, but given the way they've done OTAs in the past, this looks to be the OTA for 2.3.3
jalyn02 said:
I think that the update/ota has not been pushed out yet. We are all just lab rats to test this update floating around XDA, so that when the update is pushed out two or three weeks from now, they can fix what we complain about until then. What do you all think?
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
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Well that's your opinion. here's my opinion, I have had 6 unlocked android phones and each of them had issues the Vibrant/Nuxus One/Nexus S/Evo 4G/Mytouch 3G/T-Mobile G2...Did i mention that the only one that ever rebooted on me in important phone calls was the Nexus S. I'm sorry if I can't hold my breath anymore,I guess i'm not the only one because you just trolled/flamed 2 of my threads.
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I think this thread is unnecessary and you just like to complain.
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charlieb620 said:
There is a new link out now.so there are 3 different updates out floating around in forum
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App
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whats the difference between them?
If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
tekkitan said:
If that is the case, you bought a dev phone. Why would you be suprised?
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jalyn02 said:
Well, dev phones should not be sold to the public, and not sold for almost 600 big one's.
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you had the choice,you chosen the nexus S.
google didnt force you!
every phone has isue's
doesn't matter what OS is on it.
so live with it.
and get 2.3.3!! it got fixed okey?
people like you are getting really irritating for advance nexus user's
accept the pakage you bought.
they didnt force you.
I am a nexus s owner and i am happy that the update has fixed my issues with the phone not being able to make calls for the first month i had it, i love the device and am relieved i got to keep it,
I do however find the comment above wholy unjustified, rude and ignorant!
Never once have i seen this branded as "the dev phone" the only place ive seen that mentioned is ...well ...on xda the DEVELOPER forum.
I love the phone, i love this site, but are retarded unempathic rants at people who have clearly been mis-sold a device not to their preference actually appropriate? i think not!
Lovely device, sooooo glad i didnt have to take it back (i spent the first month thinking i may have to do just that).
Now try be a little more kind to people that have bought a handset they expected to act as one from the start. there is no mention of dev or test phone on tha packaging so i am sure trading standards would side with the customer with problems rather than some jumped up little dev who thinks he knows best (that let's down all them lovely kind and considerate dev's in the proccess).
Rant over sorry (really hate seeing people be so obnocious)
Loving this lil device
Does the ban on Google extend to handset makers other than Huawei? I have been buying Oneplus phones for the past 5 years or so and find them an excellent value. Would hate to have to start shelling out $1k+ for good hardware. Xi Jinping is welcome to read as many of my emails as he can
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Does the ban on Google extend to handset makers other than Huawei? I have been buying Oneplus phones for the past 5 years or so and find them an excellent value. Would hate to have to start shelling out $1k+ for good hardware. Xi Jinping is welcome to read as many of my emails as he can
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Not that I've seen online, but I came here to ask about it too as my google services all went out last week, at first I assumed it was the normal 4/6 drama but that's all cleared up now and anything I downloaded via Play Store is still not updating or functioning. Tried a wipe and reinstall but that's just left me without the apps even on the phone as the Store won't log in to re-download. I came here to ask if anyone else was having similar issues currently and if there were suggestions on how to fix?