I'm thinking of picking up a Nexus 5 from T-Mobile. Does anyone know if T-Mobile branded the phone with their logo and if there are T-Mobile based apps on the phone that cannot be erased? Thanks in advance.
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I'm thinking of picking up a Nexus 5 from T-Mobile. Does anyone know if T-Mobile branded the phone with their logo and if there are T-Mobile based apps on the phone that cannot be erased? Thanks in advance.
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I forgot to mention if T-Mobile did these two questions to the Nexus 4.
Doubtful about the logo and apps, though if I had to guess, it'll probably cost $449.99-$499.99 for the 16GB model.
I have a Nexus 4 that I got directly from T-Mobile, there is absolutely no difference from the ones you get from the play store. The packaging is the same, no branding on the device, and no additional apps added. The Nexus 5 should be the same. T-Mobile gets it...
Should be no difference...
and the price should be $599
Not branded. No tmobile apps. Google rules!
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Not branded. No tmobile apps. Google rules!
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And T-Mobile! Don't forget it's the carriers who usually muck things up.
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And T-Mobile! Don't forget it's the carriers who usually muck things up.
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They are definitely the best US carrier when it comes to that sort of junk to begin with, but I am still surprised that there is apparently no branding/bloatware at all. That is pretty cool.
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I'm thinking of picking up a Nexus 5 from T-Mobile. Does anyone know if T-Mobile branded the phone with their logo and if there are T-Mobile based apps on the phone that cannot be erased? Thanks in advance.
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Nexus 5 is not a carrier locked device. There is only the unlocked North America version or the unlocked International version, regardless of who sells it.
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They are definitely the best US carrier when it comes to that sort of junk to begin with, but I am still surprised that there is apparently no branding/bloatware at all. That is pretty cool.
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They were the first carrier to push Android, even before it was Android (Danger Sidekick), and had the first Android phone (G1). /ahh....cupcake...those were the daze...
People.... whether you buy the phone from Google, T-Mobile, Sprint, Best Buy, eBay, or the back of some dude's van, IT'S THE SAME PHONE.
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People.... whether you buy the phone from Google, T-Mobile, Sprint, Best Buy, eBay, or the back of some dude's van, IT'S THE SAME PHONE.
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I actually wouldn't trust the back of some dude's fan (sarcasm back). But yeah, they're all the same device. Only exception is international which would be outside the U.S. where its D821 and not D820
T-Mobile probably sell the nexus 5 with $50-$100 down and $20-25/mo for 24 months. That's their new no-contract plan.
I would gladly pay more to buy direct from tmo if they would leave plain vanilla and just give some way to install wifi calling. That is the only carrier app that anyone ever gave a crap about.
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I would gladly pay more to buy direct from tmo if they would leave plain vanilla and just give some way to install wifi calling. That is the only carrier app that anyone ever gave a crap about.
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That and insurance coverage. TMO will only insure phones that they carry.
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That and insurance coverage. TMO will only insure phones that they carry.
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Would that be the case if you bought a N5 under jump?
Not sure, you would need to ask one of the veteran TMO users.
I sure hope most people know that using that T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling actually uses your minutes if you're not on an unlimited calling plan... I've seen tons of people mention it, and I know it can be useful in areas with limited 2G/3G/4G/LTE coverage as a backup but, in spite of it making things easier, it still chunks your calling minutes off, as screwy as that seems.
When I realized that after signing up for the $30/monthly plan with T-Mobile that I've had for nearly 2 years now, I promptly dropped that crappy aspect of things and went to Google Voice + Talkatone for VoIP calls, never had a problem since but in 2014 Google apparently is going to "pull the plug" on third party apps that make use of Google Voice in that respect.
Kinda sucks but, maybe Google's got something planned themselves for VoIP, who the hell knows. It would put a hurtin' on Skype for damned sure...
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I sure hope most people know that using that T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling actually uses your minutes if you're not on an unlimited calling plan... I've seen tons of people mention it, and I know it can be useful in areas with limited 2G/3G/4G/LTE coverage as a backup but, in spite of it making things easier, it still chunks your calling minutes off, as screwy as that seems.
When I realized that after signing up for the $30/monthly plan with T-Mobile that I've had for nearly 2 years now, I promptly dropped that crappy aspect of things and went to Google Voice + Talkatone for VoIP calls, never had a problem since but in 2014 Google apparently is going to "pull the plug" on third party apps that make use of Google Voice in that respect.
Kinda sucks but, maybe Google's got something planned themselves for VoIP, who the hell knows. It would put a hurtin' on Skype for damned sure...
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yup, I'm aware of that and I do have unlimited minutes. Probably good that you mentioned it in case someone doesn't understand how it works.
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Do y'all think they will eventually make a Nexus S for 850 and 1900 3G bands like they did for the Nexus One?
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Hard to say... it'd make sense if they want to market it to UK and Canadian users, since more of their carriers use the bands AT&T does for 3G. Even if they do, it's not gonna make me jump from my N1. I'm perfectly happy with it, and I personally don't care for the Nexus S.
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Regarding UK carriers - wrong. The Nexus S already has UMTS 2100 which is used UK-wide, and UMTS 900 which is about to gain greater adoption in the UK. No carrier in Europe uses AT&T's bands.
But regarding Canadian carriers, yes, it'd make sense to produce a UMTS 850/1900 version. That doesn't mean it's incredibly likely to happen.
Well I hope it does! Everyone is really downing the phone and theyve never even held it! Google put their name on it so I bet its way better than people are making it out to be
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I hope so too
I will surely jump from my Nexus One
I love it, but a change of looks would be nice
Here's to hoping there's a software hack like the one they had for the Vibrant's 850 MHz band.
While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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That was a false positive. The TMobile Vibrant has 1900 3g but it's never had 850.
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Because they don't care? Google and Samsung are both corporations that serve to make their shareholders $$$, not keep us happy. Seriously. How many 850 MHz Nexus Ones did Google sell? Four? It's a ****ing shame because that phone @ at&t when it came out was really only up against the iPhone 3GS - it had no retail presence, and failed. Someone in some marketing office is confusing causation & correlation - their unsubsidized, unmarketable phone didn't sell.
They messed up again, the phone is still only being sold unsubsidized. Nobody buys unsubsidized phones in America (statistically speaking).
EDIT: I have an 850 MHz Nexus One - release day. I haven't seen a single phone on the market to make me even consider switching out. Consequence of dropping unsubsidized cash on a phone I guess.
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The Nexus S is being sold @ a subsidized price: $199 w/ contract
Google and Samsung do serve to make money for shareholders, but Google does so primarily by making people happy, that is why their services are mostly free. Happy customers are Google's commodity.
About the AT&T 3G bands: I got an "i don't know" from a Google Software developer this morning on Twitter, so doubtful it will be around the Tmobile launch, but I don't think there is any question with the phone being sold in Best Buy and the way Samsung handled the Galaxy, it won't be too long
If there was a 850MHz version, I would put my order in tonight as I'm itching for a 4" phone (perfect size IMO). I have a feeling there probably wont be one though, as the Nexus S is more about having an up to date, clean-slate phone for developers to use and for Google to showcase new Android features. I doubt they care about maximizing sales of them, and there's probably not a lot to gain by opening them up to AT&T/Rogers/Bell/Telus customers, especially after all the testing and certification requirements.
Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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While this has been addressed in part already, I'd like to address the other half of the story.
The Nexus S has already gone through the FCC. Check the FCC filings, and you'll find the frequencies on which the phone can operate. Go back and check the Vibrant initially passing through the FCC. See the difference?
The S does not have the hardware required for 3G to operate on AT&T. No software hack will enable what the hardware just CAN NOT do.
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Ah, didn't know that.
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Canadians that really want one can go with Wind Mobile or Mobilicity... and if I lived in the US I would pick T-Mobile over AT&T any day.
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That's easy for you to say. I'd jump on Tmobile in a heartbeat but they have no, and I mean none, service at my work. Since I spend the majority of my time there it rules out Tmobile for me. So lets hope an ATT compatible version comes out in a few months.
Yeah I would happily drop 500+ dollars on a at&t nexus s if they make one for 850 and 1900 3G bands
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Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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While I have no first hand knowledge what so ever, if Google/handset manufacturer work on the same time line as the N1, after a period of time they will release a North American 3G variant of the Nexus S.
Quite frankly, I wonder why TMo seems to always get the Google Experience Phone, do most developers use TMo?
While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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yeah i dont understand it either. it seems as though these manufacturers actually HURT their sales by not being forthcoming right off the bat. we all dance around the issue, not knowing to buy or not buy, will an 850 version come later for me, etc. nobody is gonna drop 500 with that type of info. just lay it all out there from the beginning so people know to buy or not!
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maybe all developers have shotty credit and can only get approved for T-Mobile flexpay?
i kid i kid...kinda...
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If more people supported developers, credit wouldn't be needed. . . .
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
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While I have no issues with TMo other than that they are not real big in my area of the USA, I cannot help but wonder why not either put a pentaband chip-set in the phone (which supports all Frequencies) or offer two variants right off the bat.
It just seems weird to me is all, I realize that El Goog probably has a good reason, but if sales are a key driving force why not offer it to more potential users and not just to users on the USA smallest network.
Dan
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Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I have two thoughts on this. First, TMo doesn't give a crap. Look at the approach that most providers take to their phones, as far as bloatware, locking it down, crippling, etc. TMo, IMO, does far less of that than any other carrier. Imagine Google asking a carrier to offer a subsidized price on a Google Experience device, that they can't put any bloatware on. AT&T would laugh. For months. I think the prime reason is that TMo is willing to do that, while the others simply are not.
Two, doesn't TMo have a cell tower in Google's parking lot? I read that somewhere, but can't find anything on it. Maybe someone here has some info on that??
Again, Dan, I feel it's because TMo is the only carrier to offer a subsidy on it. Sammy can make a phone that works on any or all frequencies, if they want to. But they'd have to find someone willing to sell it, without any carrier subsidy, and more importantly, they'd have to have customers willing to buy it unsubsidized. On this latter point, I believe that is why Google felt the N1 was a massive failure. They didn't sell anywhere near what they wanted to, and they couldn't get AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon to offer a subsidy. I'm not sure what happened with the CDMA folks, but I can only venture a guess as to AT&T...
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I was guessing the same thing. Either there is RIDICULOUSLY good T-Mo reception at the Mountain View campus OR it has to be some sort of deal between T-Mo and Google.
I remember when the G1 came out. I was thinking "wow, what an ugly phone. Android seems like a cool concept but seeing how it works on that phone is crappy. boo hiss etc". The phone did not seem to have much promise compared to the other competitors (windows mobile and....iphone). Naturally T-Mo took a huge risk carrying and promoting the at the time unknown phone. It seems like that faith has paid off because Google has chose T-Mobile as the only official carrier of ALL of their developer phones (ADP1 (G1), ADP2 (MT3G), Nexus One, and now the Nexus S.)
Or maybe it's some combination of both of those theories.
Hello everyone! New guy here to Verizon, and the Thunderbolt. I was with T-Mobile till the BIG news break of the day about AT&T buying out T-Mobile. I refuse to give AT&T money, so I jumped ship and joined Verizon.
Simple question really....
Anything that I really need to know about Verizon in general, and/or how they work with their customers?
Thanks!
Will.
I personally have never had any problem. Always been a great experience with VZW for me.
I moved to Verizon from AT&T and have gotten far superior service. I have gone onto their site and chatted live with folks about things that are really odd and they've been willing to go out of their way to answer the questions I've had. Additionally, as I do work in smartphone security and one of my malware simulations was worried VZW would have issue with it... so went to a store and they took the time to look through the contract and make sure I wouldn't violate any policies with me. I have found them to be a significant improvement over AT&T.
So yeah great experience & great customer service. Plus the quality of network is the best I've been on yet. And can't wait to get on the Verizon 4G LTE network later this week.
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I personally have never had any problem. Always been a great experience with VZW for me.
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+1!
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So yeah great experience & great customer service. Plus the quality of network is the best I've been on yet. And can't wait to get on the Verizon 4G LTE network later this week.
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Oh yeah, 4G LTE is blazingly fast
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Oh yeah, 4G LTE is blazingly fast
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That's why I paid full retail to get a ThunderBolt as after seeing the speeds and no additional cost for the service couldn't convince myself not to And the sales associates were very helpful to double check that I wouldn't loose any of my current upgrade dates/promotions down the line.
Thanks for the quick replies guys.
Yeah it's been great..ex t-mobile customer here as well. Just one bit of warning, watch out for the first bill!
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Yeah it's been great..ex t-mobile customer here as well. Just one bit of warning, watch out for the first bill!
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Oh god, what am I looking at?
I loved TMobile for their competitive rates and awesome customer service.
Since switching to Verizon I have had superior coverage and I have had a great customer experience. My sales rep pampered me when I purchased the TB and started a new family plan.
Thus far, I have received awesome service. Maybe it is new customer treatment or maybe it is because I have a nice corporate discount plan. Either way, I am happy!
Can you tether the TB once rooted or does verizon sniff around and cut you off or send a text that your not allowed to tether?
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I loved TMobile for their competitive rates and awesome customer service.
Since switching to Verizon I have had superior coverage and I have had a great customer experience. My sales rep pampered me when I purchased the TB and started a new family plan.
Thus far, I have received awesome service. Maybe it is new customer treatment or maybe it is because I have a nice corporate discount plan. Either way, I am happy!
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Yep basically my experience since November..just wish I had waited a few months..really wanted the TB ..
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Oh god, what am I looking at?
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Just a pro rated, higher than usual bill...try not to use your phone too much (like texting, calls) if you have a low mins/voice plan until the first billing cycle is over....after that it's smooth sailing from there..then again your exeperience might be different..
anyways don't let that stop u! go get your TB!
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Can you tether the TB once rooted or does verizon sniff around and cut you off or send a text that your not allowed to tether?
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Yes you can and no they won't ..from my experience.
Question about the TB. Anyone getting a slight delay when rotating the phone, lets say when you want to text, or browse the web?
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Can you tether the TB once rooted or does verizon sniff around and cut you off or send a text that your not allowed to tether?
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This has only been on AT&T to my knowledge so far and only for iPhone users using the MiFi app on their jailbroken iPhones. From what I understand about the way wifi tether works on rooted phones ties it into the underlying architecture so it looks like native traffic. And I'm pretty sure the methods for detecting if your tethered under this approach will make it tough to near impossible for them to detect; however, they could take the classic ISP approach of network shaping/throttling if you seem to be using more bandwidth than they want you to.
But even on the Verizon iPhone so far no issues w/ this from Verizon. Might be that the population of people who choose to jailbreak/root in comparison to the number of users is so small that they don't see enough of a loss to have them want to spend the cost of spending their time/money to track down these users yet.
Thanks for making this thread because I also jumped from ATT to V with two Thunderbolts for my wife and I. They should be here tomorrow.
It will be our first time on Verizon, and our first smartphones. We are finally joining the 21st century. Hhah.
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Just a pro rated, higher than usual bill...try not to use your phone too much (like texting, calls) if you have a low mins/voice plan until the first billing cycle is over....after that it's smooth sailing from there..then again your exeperience might be different..
anyways don't let that stop u! go get your TB!
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Oh, I'm good. I went with an unlimited plan.
Wow! We are in the exact same boat. Once I found out about the sale I jumped ship as well. I ordered on amazon tonight and will get the phone cheaper but I'll have to wait til its back in stock.
I currently use a G2 on TMO and I love it, never had a problem until todays news came out. AT&T will NEVER get anything from me again, I was with them once a few years back and it was horrible!
Anyways, From one former TMO customer switching to VZW to another, enjoy man! I know I will. Went in store today for a demo. This phone looks awesome!
On a side note, any TB users use Slingbox? With the 4G speeds how reliable is it? And how is the quality? I normally only watch over WiFi or at my comp at work.
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Hello everyone! New guy here to Verizon, and the Thunderbolt. I was with T-Mobile till the BIG news break of the day about AT&T buying out T-Mobile. I refuse to give AT&T money, so I jumped ship and joined Verizon.
Simple question really....
Anything that I really need to know about Verizon in general, and/or how they work with their customers?
Thanks!
Will.
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All I got to say is you guys are lucky! I'm stuck with my DX until I can get an upgrade next year ..I was thinking of selling it on craiglist for $300 with a few extra cases but not sure how I will get the other $200 for the TB lol...
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lol before switching from sprint to verizon, since sprint doesn't care what you do data wise, i asked verizon this in a round about way. They said they could careless how much you use. Which makes sense when you have a device pulling at times near 30Mbps down, (got that speed a few times today) you are bound to use a crapton of data. I have only had the phone 24 hoursish, and I already have a gig of data used...lol...
Article seems to make a good case:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Google-Could-Get-a-Chance-to-Buy-TMobile-After-It-Closes-Motorola-Deal-220504/
Umm...yeah...too late on that one, AT&T is in the process right now of buying tmobile. They made an offer and tmobile accepted it. It's going through federal review now and the deal WILL be approved by the feds.
That would be awesome ! I hope it works out !
I already seen a att/t-mobile commercial the other night on the tv. I just wonder if their gonna jack up our bills I switched from the big V for a cheaper bill
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I already seen a att/t-mobile commercial the other night on the tv. I just wonder if their gonna jack up our bills I switched from the big V for a cheaper bill
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Same here I don't like at&t and it looks like tmobile is converting to at&t in a sneaky way like there gona start charging if you go over your "unlimited" throttled 2gs of data just like at&t is doing. (dont worry we will be in the grandfather plans but watch out wen you do uprgrades & so on..
My advice is get on a 2 year with t-mobile now so they cant jack the price up on you when they merge. We have a long while before this fully happens tho.
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I wish it was Google, but unfortunately it's big wig at&t!
Look at Google to purchase sprint as the attmob merger will devalue sprint. Which Google will scoop up for a value. The sprint google intergration is not without any coincidence just wait till next year you will see. Sprint sits on a lot of spectrum and with LTE and Wimax their footprint will be one of a kind in the US. Yes Google is a global company but sprint would be a stepping stone to bigger things. Sprint cannot survive on its own.
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It's too late I think. It sucks cause it would have been awesome.
I wish this was true, Google, Google Voice, T-Mobile sounds great... too bad its not going to happen. AT&T is already too far through with buying T-Mobile
Unless Google manages to buy AT&T ... which would be even better but never going to happen
i would hope google says they would pay more $! and att backs off.
i hate att
I'm not from the US, so apologies if I get some of this post confused
Am I right in saying that Google Voice (that we don't have in Britain, sadly) and Sprint are in a partnership? Would this mean that Google are *more* likely to team up or buy Sprint fully, than to buy T-Mobile US?
Fan speculation and fan hope here
The way I see it, Google could become what I call a 'digital carrier', making their own devices and carrying them on their own carrier. I see Google Voice as the first step of this. They'd be the first 'carrier' to go the world over and if they get it right, could completely dominate the information, mobile, and computing (with ChromeOS) space.
Think about it: how a carrier works hasn't changed since mobiles were introduced, really. They've always been the same. With Google Voice, Google have the possibility to change that and make themselves a carrier (possibly with Sprint's help) and carry their own devices, made by Motorola. This would enable them to update the devices (all running stock Android, or maybe different interfaces depending on high up the device is) all at the same time, wirelessly, and get fragmentation (which exists, however many times we say it doesn't) down to an absolute minimum. They could also manage the device's hardware easier, using one chip/SoC for one generation of phone, optimizing the OS for that chip. i.e. NVidia Tegra, a TI chip, or a Qualcomm chip.
Thoughts on this...?
According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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This is correct.
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According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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You have a link to that regulation? I presume that came into effect some time after Ma Bell used to make and sell telephones.
I trust you, I just like to verify.
samnada said:
I trust you, I just like to verify.
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Reaganesque
Behold_this said:
Umm...yeah...too late on that one, AT&T is in the process right now of buying tmobile. They made an offer and tmobile accepted it. It's going through federal review now and the deal WILL be approved by the feds.
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You can't say for sure. AT&T has been on the hot seat with the FCC before. Look at when they made them split. They are slowly trying to build up the monopoly again. I honestly don't think the deal would go through. There is too much opposition, including state governments. Plus their legal team made a big no no and accidentally submitted some paperwork to the FCC that hurt their argument.
the merge with AT&T is under review by the FCC. we all know this. It must pass the FCC's examination to ensure things like antitrust, monopoly etc don't occur as a result of the merge... basically to say that all things merger specific are legal.
It's looking like it will be and the merge will go through, but there's always a chance that something (i'm still praying for it) will stop the merge. in that case, then google can offer to buy and in that case an FCC approval doesn't seem to be required since google is not a communications company like AT&T. I just got laid off in a merger just like that between two smaller Cell phone companies... I've renewed a 2 year contract to avoid AT&T screwing me if/when they merge...
I've purposely avoided AT&T for all these years only to find myself faced with being their customer after all. it blows. I prefer google.
A&TT is bad imo. They already capping the 150GB on DSL. Who knows what they will do next.
G-Mobile? LOL
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Hey, is there ANY difference between the Nexus 5 on the Play Store and the Nexus 5 that T-Mo sells in their stores?
I ask because my gf and I are switching to T-Mobile later this month and she is going to get the Nexus. She wants to be sure that if she doesn't like T-Mo then she can take the phone to another carrier, like AT&T. We want to use the ETF money to get a reduced price on the Nexus, but if we can't bring the phone to another carrier then we might have to buy it from the Play Store instead.
Thanks!
they are exactly the same. play store sells 16 or 32gb, tmo sells 16gb.
Thanks a lot I'll probably end up asking the guy at T-Mo just in case, but I trust the word of XDA techies more.
BTW If they are exactly the same, that means the T-Mo version doesn't come with any bloatware?
T-Mobile reps usually know next to nothing. They are the exact same phone
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aBabyPenguin said:
Thanks a lot I'll probably end up asking the guy at T-Mo just in case, but I trust the word of XDA techies more.
BTW If they are exactly the same, that means the T-Mo version doesn't come with any bloatware?
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nope, no bloatware. its the pure nexus experience as its meant to be.
Even tho they are the same the one on the playstore is $100 cheaper
chris6278 said:
Even tho they are the same the one on the playstore is $100 cheaper
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Yeah, but Google subsidizes the price because they can afford it. My gf and I are going to see how much money we can get from Verizon's ETF, we might end up saving money thanks to T-Mo.
The only difference between the Nexus at the Google Play store and the T-Mobile store is the one at the T-Mobile store is sold at a substantial markup, while Google Play sells it basically at cost.
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The only difference between the Nexus at the Google Play store and the T-Mobile store is the one at the T-Mobile store is sold at a substantial markup, while Google Play sells it basically at cost.
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I wouldn't call $46 a substantial markup. For some, $46 is worth it for nothing down and a two year payment plan.
aBabyPenguin said:
Hey, is there ANY difference between the Nexus 5 on the Play Store and the Nexus 5 that T-Mo sells in their stores?
I ask because my gf and I are switching to T-Mobile later this month and she is going to get the Nexus. She wants to be sure that if she doesn't like T-Mo then she can take the phone to another carrier, like AT&T. We want to use the ETF money to get a reduced price on the Nexus, but if we can't bring the phone to another carrier then we might have to buy it from the Play Store instead.
Thanks!
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AFAIK, if you're going to switch to TMO using their new plans to reimburse ETFs, you have to turn in your old phone and buy a new phone from them directly. I don't think you can BYOD with a Play Store phone? So, assuming the N5s from TMO/Play are using the same bands, you should be able to take directly to AT&T with only a SIM switch. And IF you're ok with only 16GBs of storage. As a few others have said, TMO only sells the 16GB model. Seems stupid to me, but whatever.
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Yeah, but Google subsidizes the price because they can afford it. My gf and I are going to see how much money we can get from Verizon's ETF, we might end up saving money thanks to T-Mo.
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If you have grandfathered Verizon unlimited data, selling it on Ebay through an "Assumption of Liability" is the way to go. I just made $350 on my wife and my lines instead of paying $250+ in ETF. It was really easy to do. There's a thread on rootzwiki on how to do it. Search on "Sell Verizon Contract and Keep your Number"
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AFAIK, if you're going to switch to TMO using their new plans to reimburse ETFs, you have to turn in your old phone and buy a new phone from them directly. I don't think you can BYOD with a Play Store phone? So, assuming the N5s from TMO/Play are using the same bands, you should be able to take directly to AT&T with only a SIM switch. And IF you're ok with only 16GBs of storage. As a few others have said, TMO only sells the 16GB model. Seems stupid to me, but whatever.
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My gf has an old crappy Android that she definitely won't miss over the N5, We aren't worried about trading in a device, we aren't losing anything. And yes, she doesn't care about storage. 16GB will be more than enough for her.
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If you have grandfathered Verizon unlimited data, selling it on Ebay through an "Assumption of Liability" is the way to go. I just made $350 on my wife and my lines instead of paying $250+ in ETF. It was really easy to do. There's a thread on rootzwiki on how to do it. Search on "Sell Verizon Contract and Keep your Number"
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Oh yeah! I totally forgot about that. My gf has tiered data but I still have unlimited. I'll definitely look into that, thanks for the heads-up.
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Thanks a lot I'll probably end up asking the guy at T-Mo just in case, but I trust the word of XDA techies more.
BTW If they are exactly the same, that means the T-Mo version doesn't come with any bloatware?
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Yeah most don't know **** that's why I sell more than most reps
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Is it possible. I don't really need the second number. While it may be a nice feature to have. I don't really see myself using the watch without the phone being near me. I just want to use the watch in conjuction with my phone.
It would be nice if we could use the watch without the phone, ON THE SAME NUMBER instead. But i'm good with the BT connection.
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Is it possible. I don't really need the second number. While it may be a nice feature to have. I don't really see myself using the watch without the phone being near me. I just want to use the watch in conjuction with my phone.
It would be nice if we could use the watch without the phone, ON THE SAME NUMBER instead. But i'm good with the BT connection.
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Dude I was in the same situation. I got mixed feedback from many different verizon employees. This is what I did, you need to buy the device full retail price. Add on the data plan and monthly line fee. If they do not activate it for you do not accept the activation, skip it. It will never show up on your account as long as it is not activated. If you did or they activated it you need to call in and cancel the service. You should not get an early termination fee because you bought the device at full retail. Luckily they did not activate it for me so I will only activate if it is an emergency. It is kind of an indirect safety feature. Now this is solely based on the feedback I got from a Verizon chat rep. I do not know if this will work the same for other providers. I disabled 3g connectivity completely and will never touch that setting again. The only thing is if I restart the phone it asks if I want to activate it, I just skip it every time. I know it does not show up on the account because I verified with Verizon and they said nothing is on their records. The rep also told me that they it should not be required to to use a data plan for the 3g device but the local Verizon store and website say otherwise. I needed to speak to a manager to buy the device because I told the employee that I was going to cancel the plan right after I purchased the device. He said we can't sell you the device if those are your intentions because that hurts us. I said that is not my problem let me speak to a manager. I wanted the 3g device for the speaker for call forwarding, Qualcomm processor, and bigger battery. In the end I got what I wanted. I hope this helps people trying to do the same thing.
The device is already activated. And shows up on my bill as a second number.
I don't care if it hurts verizon. I could have bought the watch for teh same price from bestbuy or whatever and they would have never known i had it.
Except, i got a $50 discount by buying the watch with the phone at the same time through verizon. $5 a month isn't going to kill me, It's just the idea of paying Verizon MORE then what we should be paying as it is. I mean, DANG. i can get sprint for half the cost i'm paying verizon. And have UNLIMITED services. The only reason i have verizon in the first place is because i'm a traveling man. Once i get a local job, I'm back with sprint.
Thanks for the reply.
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The device is already activated. And shows up on my bill as a second number.
I don't care if it hurts verizon. I could have bought the watch for teh same price from bestbuy or whatever and they would have never known i had it.
Except, i got a $50 discount by buying the watch with the phone at the same time through verizon. $5 a month isn't going to kill me, It's just the idea of paying Verizon MORE then what we should be paying as it is. I mean, DANG. i can get sprint for half the cost i'm paying verizon. And have UNLIMITED services. The only reason i have verizon in the first place is because i'm a traveling man. Once i get a local job, I'm back with sprint.
Thanks for the reply.
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I hear you man. Best Buy doesn't offer the Verizon Gear S2 3g yet. So you did not pay for the device at full retail? That's where they got you I think. I'm sure you can complain by calling verizon technical support.
The issue here is the eSIM. The 3G version has no SIM card, but instead the equivalent functionality built-in.
Because of this, the 3G version is only offered through carriers at the moment, because the eSIM must be flashed by Samsung or the carrier to bind it to the carrier. There is no consumer means for doing this, hence the 3G watch is not be sold independent from a carrier.
The eSIM, once programmed for a carrier, can not be changed to a different carrier (of course, this isn't TECHNICALLY accurate, it absolutely can, but this is a business model policy). So, again, no generic version.
I doubt there ever will be.
Just wondering why didn't you just buy the non cellular version if you have no interest in using that feature? Would have saved you money, and the headache of worrying if the line ever gets activated
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Just wondering why didn't you just buy the non cellular version if you have no interest in using that feature? Would have saved you money, and the headache of worrying if the line ever gets activated
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Likely for the speaker, bigger battery and better processor.
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jlczl said:
Likely for the speaker, bigger battery and better processor.
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Thats exactly why I got it. Mostly for the call forwarding feature. I got the bluetooth version for christmas and thought it was really dumb that there is no speaker included. So I returned it to get the 3g version. Luckily they did not activate it for me
i didn't know about the 3g differences. And apparently that's the difference. I thought i was just buying a second gen watch. For $250. Compared to bestbuy $300.
From what you guys are saying, apparently there's more to the specs then what i've been finding on the internet. Even bestbuy isn't listing the full specs. I'm guessing they aren't selling the 3g version.
I did my researching before deciding to buy. But apparently i didn't do enough research.
I guess my watch is on the payment plan with the phone. If i want to ditch the second phone number. I'll have to pay full retail to which i was quoted $500. The guy was speaking so fast he was more mumble jumble then plain and clear. So i have no idea on the actual price. I didn't even see the things listed on verizons websight.
I was also on the fence about extra plan for $5 or classic version. Now I actually was in situations when my phone was either in my car or left home and I was able answer phone call on my wrist watch.
Also I believe that esim can be either reprogrammed or reused by provider as long there is not active reactivation lok on the device.
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Likely for the speaker, bigger battery and better processor.
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Can't find anywhere what the difference in specs is for the 3g version.