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[Q] HTC Holiday prototype found....? (hypothetically speaking of course..........)

So lets just say, hypothetically speaking of course right....., well lets just say someone found one on the street...? should this person turn it in, or should they sell it to someone.....??? i mean, im sure someone would want that phone if this was all true right..? idk IM JUS SAYING THO, what would their best choice be............ *hint hint* *wink wink* haha hmm what do you all think????

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contrerasns said:
So lets just say, hypothetically speaking of course right....., well lets just say someone found one on the street...? should this person turn it in, or should they sell it to someone.....??? i mean, im sure someone would want that phone if this was all true right..? idk IM JUS SAYING THO, what would their best choice be............ *hint hint* *wink wink* haha hmm what do you all think????
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Stop spamming, either put it on craig s list or post actual photos like how hostage takers do along with today news paper
Either that our go away and just stop wasting our time
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Well I just don't want it.. or wouldn't.. it has cracked screen and I ain't spamming simply seeing who would want this in their posession cause i don't.. or wouldn't I mean..

contrerasns said:
Well I just don't want it.. or wouldn't.. it has cracked screen and I ain't spamming simply seeing who would want this in their posession cause i don't.. or wouldn't I mean..
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I'll take it off your hands

Dkj7777 said:
I'll take it off your hands
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I already did...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1218333

OK, since I am a wet - new noob and can't get back to the pix of the device until I've posted at least 10 times, a question for xredjokerx: Have you gone inside the unit yet and is that 8GB of storage internal or just the SD card? Also, is it loaded Gingerbread?

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I'll take it off your hands
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OK, since I am a wet - new noob and can't get back to the pix of the device until I've posted at least 10 times, a question for xredjokerx: Have you gone inside the unit yet and is that 8GB of storage internal or just the SD card? Also, is it loaded Gingerbread?
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i believe its 16gb total internal storage, 4gb for system 8+gb for storage

Well it's legit but it is too bad the market place thread was deleted. I like the discussion

pls sell it to me

Just a word of warning...the guy who found the IPHONE 4 prototype in the bar and sold it is now being prosecuted.

xredjokerx said:
i believe its 16gb total internal storage, 4gb for system 8+gb for storage
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I would think they would have to go that way, since the Atrix is running 16 internal, 1GB RAM and capability for 32GB microSD. What I'm hoping for in this device is something of an "Atrix as it should have been" kind of device. The various rumors have it as having Gingerbread 2.3.4 installed. Was that the case on this device? I'm hoping they rework the exterior (including a kickstand) and go with Gorilla glass for the screen in the production versions. Did you look at the battery yet, as to capacity? I guess basically what I'm hoping for is something like a Thunderbolt or Sensation on steroids as far as features and performance go. I eagerly await your further impressions on this device.

Got My New Atrix 2 today..

How can I put stuff on my internal flash drive? I can't seem to access it. I want to put my music or other things on it, I can only get into my external.

You can't access the internal memory.
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I think that's something in the upcoming update... someone mentioned the partition tables not being set up properly. Not for sure though...

Go do a google search for motorola medialink I think it is called, this will allow you to sync your music and photos to your phone's internal storage.
Jim
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Hondo209 said:
How can I put stuff on my internal flash drive? I can't seem to access it. I want to put my music or other things on it, I can only get into my external.
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You don't have an internal flash drive, Moto didn't shove one of these inside the phone
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As for your internal storage (get your terminology right!), it is ONLY used for app storage. You can't access it or store anything else there.

Don't be too hard on the newbies, it's an honest mistake.
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Jimmy273 said:
Don't be too hard on the newbies, it's an honest mistake.
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Not being hard on him, just clarifying things. All mistakes are honest, otherwise they'd be called choices.

916x10 said:
You don't have an internal flash drive, Moto didn't shove one of these inside the phone
As for your internal storage (get your terminology right!), it is ONLY used for app storage. You can't access it or store anything else there.
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Don't be a doucher, i'm not a n00b. Just because I got the "term" wrong dumbass..

Hondo209 said:
Don't be a doucher, i'm not a n00b. Just because I got the "term" wrong dumbass..
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Wow that was kinda harsh, I am sure he did not mean to imply anything insulting.
We have just have had a rash of issues with newbies jumping in way over their head lately, and those of us that have been here helping out are starting to see a new pattern of the same stuff coming up over and over, and over again, without doing any research on their own. Hence the shortness of the replies lately, that we tend to give now, to a lot of things. Please just excuse us for that, it is not meant as a knock, just that we are a little frustrated with how frustrated people seem to get with things not being farther along for this phone than they are. Those of us, working in here, feel everyones pain, but we also are working hard to make this phone better.
However since you did just get the Atrix 2 you are technically a newbie in this forum, and that is not a slight or a nock, and I knew what you meant earlier about internal storage vs your sd card, and like I had stated medialink is the best choice, but however everyone is correct, that the internal 4GB is just for app storage, and a few other things that only the phone can access.
To be more successful, we all need to work together and not have fighting and so much back and forth, sometimes just let things roll off your back. We are just a frustrated as the rest of you here, about getting things we all want, and we are working towards that, including people like 916x10, remember we give our time freely to make this device better for everyone here, if you eliminate some of us, this phone will die a quick death with development.

Hondo209 said:
Don't be a doucher, i'm not a n00b. Just because I got the "term" wrong dumbass..
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I'm gonna take the high road on this one and let that ride...hopefully there won't be a next time

And its not difficult to search the ATRIX 2 forums there's not a huge number of topics and before doing anything for me atleast its common sense to read before doing anything to your device and even then its a your own discretion
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It can still be called an internal flash drive, however, because it is flash memory. Unless you have a cool phone like me with a SATA drive in it.

okachowwa said:
It can still be called an internal flash drive, however, because it is flash memory. Unless you have a cool phone like me with a SATA drive in it.
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Now there's a thought. Hey Jim can you get your Ubuntu hack to recognize a external drive through USB?
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mtnlion said:
Now there's a thought. Hey Jim can you get your Ubuntu hack to recognize a external drive through USB?
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Let me do a little research, the ability is in android to allow the fat32 partition,to be seen from usb. There is a link back to the sdcard fat32 partition, from /osh so I am sure there is way, give me a day or two and I will see what I can come up with.
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jimbridgman said:
Let me do a little research, the ability is in android to allow the fat32 partition,to be seen from usb. There is a link back to the sdcard fat32 partition, from /osh so I am sure there is way, give me a day or two and I will see what I can come up with.
Pure awesomeness!
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16gb microSd shows 14.8gb only [solve]

I bought 16gb microsd from kingston, sadly it shows only less than 15gb on my DS 14.8 to be exact
Rom is fallout.
Why does it only shows 15gb? :/

It's normal, my 8gb card shown only 7.5 gb only.

When the card is first formatted it has a partition on it for system/back ups just like a hard drive on the computer. Any SD card will have less useable space then the stated size because of this.
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Sengeh said:
It's normal, my 8gb card shown only 7.5 gb only.
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Oh i see.. ugh.. less 1gb is huge :/

crackerhacker said:
When the card is first formatted it has a partition on it for system/back ups just like a hard drive on the computer. Any SD card will have less useable space then the stated size because of this.
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Is there a workaround to fix? less 1gb is huge space :/
thanks!

I haven't found one. My GS3 has actually only 14.4gb out of 16 available. I think it actually all depends on your device and the size of the card.
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Ok from reading some threads and forums, i found this.
This is totally normal. The advertised size of memory cards/hard drives is the unformatted capacity of the drive/card. When you format the card the File Allocation Table (FAT/FAT32/NTFS) AKA the file system- takes up the difference in space that you see.
Manufacturers sell the drive based on 1GB=1000MB, 1MB=1000kb 1KB=1000bytes....and so on.
Hard drives/Memory Cards are formatted like this: 1GB=1024MB, 1MB=1024kb, 1KB=1024bytes...and so on...
This works out to be approximately a loss of ~74MB per GB of advertised capacity so do the math:
16GB advertised space * 74MB = 1184MB or ~ 1.2 GB
16GB - 1.2GB = 14.8 GB which is what your seeing as your MicroSD card's usable capacity and it totally normal.
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This lightens me up.

leimrey said:
Oh i see.. ugh.. less 1gb is huge :/
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you're clearly a glass half empty type of person.
the post that you found is the answer, fortunately saved me typing a great deal.
Sywepd form my DsereiS

After format of a 32 gb micro sdhc are 29,8 gb available, every storage media has this "problem"

It's hard to believe that no one can regulate this for such a long time. Every operating system uses 1024 base and every bloody producer uses 1000. It's plain cheating for me.

crackerhacker said:
When the card is first formatted it has a partition on it for system/back ups just like a hard drive on the computer. Any SD card will have less useable space then the stated size because of this.
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I wish that in addition to thanks button there would be a button to downvote posts to oblivion. Why would people answer when they have no idea...

There's nothing wrong with your card. A gigabyte is actually 1,073,741,824 bytes (not 1,000,000,000). So, a card labeled "16GB" is in reality ~14.9GB.
(16,000,000,000/1,073,741,824 =14.9
In other words, the device is using the real definition of a gigabyte to calculate the value being displayed.

miniman1 said:
There's nothing wrong with your card. A gigabyte is actually 1,073,741,824 bytes (not 1,000,000,000). So, a card labeled "16GB" is in reality ~14.9GB.
(16,000,000,000/1,073,741,824 =14.9
In other words, the device is using the real definition of a gigabyte to calculate the value being displayed.
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Way to resurrect a dead thread for no reason - WTF was the point?

SimonTS said:
Way to resurrect a dead thread for no reason - WTF was the point?
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The thread was still active and not closed, therefore still open for discussion, a suitable answer had not been found, other people could just have easily have come across this thread as we both did.
Is it really such a big deal to warrant your input regarding this ?

miniman1 said:
The thread was still active and not closed, therefore still open for discussion, a suitable answer had not been found, other people could just have easily have come across this thread as we both did.
Is it really such a big deal to warrant your input regarding this ?
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The thread was answered on 12th September last year by the OP himself (after searching the Interwebz). The thread has the word "Solved" (actually solve, but we'll let him off for that), indicating it is ... wait for it ... SOLVED
Threads don't get 'closed' on XDA unless they warrant it - for the mods to 'lock' every completed thread, they would have to employ 5 people full-time just to deal with that.
As for "Just came across it", I'm not sure how you did as it was on page 68 before you ressurected it.

SimonTS said:
The thread was answered on 12th September last year by the OP himself (after searching the Interwebz). The thread has the word "Solved" (actually solve, but we'll let him off for that), indicating it is ... wait for it ... SOLVED
Threads don't get 'closed' on XDA unless they warrant it - for the mods to 'lock' every completed thread, they would have to employ 5 people full-time just to deal with that.
As for "Just came across it", I'm not sure how you did as it was on page 68 before you ressurected it.
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I just came across it, as I was looking for it via the 'GOOGLE' search button, because I wanted an answer to the question my self, I had recently purchased a 16gb only to find it was actually 14.8gb, there wasn't a satisfactory answer on this thread, so I continued my Google search and found the answer I posted.
I apologise for any problem it may have caused you, from me resurrecting the thread, at least by you bringing this to my attention, it has well and truly resurrected a thread that would have otherwise have probably died again after my resurrection post.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

Okay so I understand that when you buy a 16GB card you only get 14.8GB but mine says that it only has 12.6GB free as if there's something on it? but it's completely empty???

[Q] 32 GB vs 16 GB

I was thinking about buying a N5 and was wondering if it would be worth the extra $50 to get the 32 GB version. Has anyone run into a problem with the 16 GB version not having enough storage? I don't have a crazy amount of apps, music or pictures on my current phone so i'm not sure that I would need 32 GB. Thanks!
P.S. I'm really excited to join this community and I can't wait to get my hands on this phone!

If you root and need to take backups, or if you ever install any games, You'll possibly find 16 isnt enough.
You dont get 16 anyway. You get 12 ish

Im rooted and made backups and have gots loads of space left out of my 16gb got loads of apps too

chainsuk said:
Im rooted and made backups and have gots loads of space left out of my 16gb got loads of apps too
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I think hallmark have a card for that

Get yourself one while your there

chainsuk said:
Get yourself one while your there
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Sure thing sweet cheeks

You know you seem quite sensitive and i sense you dont like it if someone dosent take your advice awwwww you need to get out more and get a girlfriend, or are you, well you know......

rootSU said:
If you root and need to take backups, or if you ever install any games, You'll possibly find 16 isnt enough.
You dont get 16 anyway. You get 12 ish
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I don't have games on my Nexus 5, and I always have 3 TWRP backups.. still 8gb left :silly:

well, for just 50$ more i think it's ever worth to get double the storage. If you don't have it from the start, no problem but when you get the extra GBs and can load on it tons of photos, videos, music etc etc without have to thing :"that's too big" you will see the difference.

Also these days you can store all your pics and apps on the cloud and still access off your phone and save yourself $50

My own usage
I have 16Gb model and i have a lot of pics, music and videos on my Nexus 5. I still have 5-6Gb free space. Just a few example why 16Gb is enough:
Pictures -> Cloud
Music -> Spotify etc.. (you can always delete app data if spotify storage comes too big)
Videos/Movies -> USB OTG
I don't play games much, so i don't have games installed on my Nexus 5. I suggest you to save your $50, and use it for example USB OTG, good memory card and you're more than good to go. :victory:
Kitkattii

Lethargy said:
I don't have games on my Nexus 5, and I always have 3 TWRP backups.. still 8gb left :silly:
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One set of Titanium backups
No Nandroid backups
most /sdcard/Android game data moved to USB OTG
3.5 GB free - Enough room to take a nandroid and move it off immediately
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You know you seem quite sensitive and i sense you dont like it if someone dosent take your advice
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I didn't give any advice and I am not sensitive if someone takes my advice. I just saiud it possibly wont be enough.
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you need to get out more and get a girlfriend, or are you, well you know......
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Happy with my social life and girlfriend, thanks for your concern.
Edit > Not that I post for "thanks" or even care about them but I did notice that OP only thanks those who suggest 16 GB is fine, ergo it is apparent his mind is already made up and only seeks validation that 16 GB is the version for him to go for,

I would go with 32gb I got a 16 GB and had to buy a meenova SD card reader to store my files and music
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I'm down to 4GB remaining out of 26GB(32 model). I'd say $50 is a reasonable for the upgraded storage.
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I have 16gb. I keep one nandroid, I stream music, have a lot of apps and have a lot of Zooper files with 6.6gb left over.
sEnT fROM dA rOoT oF KTU84mmm

I would go for 32gb too. Pixtures can be big ( quality) so a quality picture will take more space. Then you never will have the folowing problem: I forgot to backup my pictures and when i'm at holiday and suddenly no memory left anymore... .
Also I think that the system will work great if half of memory is not used( like windows on a pc) but i'm not sure if this is the case for N5.
so if It was me , i would buy the 32gb, if i had the money for it.

Better safe than sorry. Its definitely worth it if you're into downloading media contents alot. On the other hand if you still wish to get 16GB version then make sure to get a micro USB card reader.
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I chose 32GB(Actual 26.7GB) because I'm the kind of person who always stores music, videos, games, downloads for entertainment purposes.
I only connect the Internet when I'm at home or when I have mobile data subscription.
But if you have a Highspeed Mobile Internet, you can store everything in a cloud so 12GB can do.
Depends on how you use it.

Can't believe they don't offer more than 32GB on a device without an SD card. Seriously is it still 2012???what year is it,

I got the 16GB and spent the $50 in accessories (Case, Screen Protector, headphones...) since I was on a budget. Also it will all depend on your habits, but like many here have mention it is safer with the 32GB.

Question Missing 1gb of ram...maybe.

As the title states a gig of memory is missing from my S22 Ultra. Under Device Care it shows 12gb, but under memory in Developer Options it show 11. BTW I have a Tab S7 with 6gb and it shows 6gb under both. Any ideas?

Safe to say it is not missing there was a discussion few years back on exactly the same question

What's running services show in Developer options? It should add up... unless Android 12 has some more new lame tricks.
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raul6 said:
Safe to say it is not missing there was a discussion few years back on exactly the same question
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This one?
I don't know my N10+ shows it as 12gb... across the board.
Here is a 3rd party app showing what's mentioned in the linked XDA thread.

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Mine is showing 12 in both ???
Edit.... nope looks like I can't count, lol. Its 11 in running services too, maybe 1gb is used to help the gpu
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1 The phone info Samsung, app is showing less than 11gb
2 Dev tools is showing the same
3 Another dev info app shows the same, strange

Shows 11. LOL. Even stranger is ATT specs has it as 8. Freakin' weird.

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Mine is showing 12 in both ???
Edit.... nope looks like I can't count, lol. Its 11 in running services too, maybe 1gb is used to help the gpu
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Don't these have a new kind of ram management? It doesn't apply to me so it's a passing curiosity at this point. You may be able to alter its settings. There are indications it doesn't work that well under heavy ram usage but I may be mistaken.
Either way I don't like changes like this... Gookill has always been a progressive mess that can't leave well enough alone. Invariably Google will keep "improving" a product until they break it.
The concepts of conservatism and pragmatism aren't within their intellectual comprehension or company policies

raul6 said:
Safe to say it is not missing there was a discussion few years back on exactly the same question
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Yeh, probably not the best way to explain it. No big deal. Just nitpicking.

jt1954 said:
Yeh, probably not the best way to explain it. No big deal. Just nitpicking.
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my guess, and thats all it is, is its reserved for gpu to access or something, maybe the game booster app in my mods/apps/links thread makes use of the 1gb ram not showing

And yet another entry into the field:

raul6 said:
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Yeh, probably not the best way to explain it. No big deal. Just nitpicking.

Virtual ram, ah there it... isn't.
This is apparently Samsung's fail... this may not work so well... you may want to play with the settings.
I have serious doubts the hardware architecture can effectively support the bandwidth for effective virtual memory vs pure ram memory.
One bottleneck later... the 3yo N10+ is whipping the S22U to a pulp once the ram fills up (see 2nd link).
Why not just slam 16gb of ram into this puppy instead Sammy? As much as a battery hog as it is already this would have had a negligible impact on power consumption. Sammy skimped on expandable storage capacity (cheap) and ram (not as cheap). No wonder Samsung doesn't like the term power user anymore or the actual power users themselves... it's cheaper not to cater to them. I guess... but if you don't rock it, somebody will