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I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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If Virtuous is what you like then I'd say yes, go for it and root. The Virtuous ROM might be in beta here in the MT4GS forums but it was smokin' fast and stable enough when I used it. I'm sure an official release is just around the corner anyway. good luck and welcome to the MT4GS family!!
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If Virtuous is what you like then I'd say yes, go for it and root. The Virtuous ROM might be in beta here in the MT4GS forums but it was smokin' fast and stable enough when I used it. I'm sure an official release is just around the corner anyway. good luck and welcome to the MT4GS family!!
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Thanks for the feedback and welcome, good enough reason for me. One thing I do like a lot on stock is the camera app, is that included in the beta or is there a flashable mod?
micahman said:
Thanks for the feedback and welcome, good enough reason for me. One thing I do like a lot on stock is the camera app, is that included in the beta or is there a flashable mod?
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Yes sir, the Doubleshot camera app is included.
micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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Root it. Then you can:
Enhance your gps ability because of the generic gps file that's coded very poorly (in fact wrongly ... T-Mo doesn't maintain a good SUPL server, and if you're not on the T-Mo network your AGPS isn't working in stock configuration...well, maybe a little, but not anything worth mentioning. )
Flash a better security update to fix the big-brotheresque HTC spy mode (htcloggers.apk). HTC released an update to patch their security hole, but they are still monitoring everything you do with the device. Flash Undeadk9's security patch to just cut them off at the knees instead, or uninstall htcloggers.apk ( and other file I can't remember at the moment )
Change your hardware key files and re-map some buttons to be more useful.
Flash custom ROMs, as you're aware...
Play with the upcoming kernel files from myself and others...( give us time to make it stable )
...and so much more!
Generally do the things with the device that you've paid for that you should be able to do. Why spend all this money on something, and only use like 60% or less of what it can do?
If you're here and posting, then you should probably just go ahead and root it. It won't be long after you've been poking around in here reading through all the things we have been/are doing with the device before you'll go for it.
Check the sticky at the top of the general section to get a good handle on where to go first and what to read through. Take the time to read through the threads ( I know they are long ) - you'll see what all the problems were that people encountered, and how they were solved. Even if you don't run into the problems, at least you'll learn a whole lot and understand your device much, much more intimately.
...and if you get stuck, we're here to help. Many of us have been through this whole process countless times before, and are willing to lend a hand - just don't post random questions in the dev section and everything will be good.
Welcome to our little corner of the XDA universe - you'll love this device!
Blue6IX said:
Root it. Then you can:
Enhance your gps ability because of the generic gps file that's coded very poorly (in fact wrongly ... T-Mo doesn't maintain a good SUPL server, and if you're not on the T-Mo network your AGPS isn't working in stock configuration...well, maybe a little, but not anything worth mentioning. )
Flash a better security update to fix the big-brotheresque HTC spy mode (htcloggers.apk). HTC released an update to patch their security hole, but they are still monitoring everything you do with the device. Flash Undeadk9's security patch to just cut them off at the knees instead, or uninstall htcloggers.apk ( and other file I can't remember at the moment )
Change your hardware key files and re-map some buttons to be more useful.
Flash custom ROMs, as you're aware...
Play with the upcoming kernel files from myself and others...( give us time to make it stable )
...and so much more!
Generally do the things with the device that you've paid for that you should be able to do. Why spend all this money on something, and only use like 60% or less of what it can do?
If you're here and posting, then you should probably just go ahead and root it. It won't be long after you've been poking around in here reading through all the things we have been/are doing with the device before you'll go for it.
Check the sticky at the top of the general section to get a good handle on where to go first and what to read through. Take the time to read through the threads ( I know they are long ) - you'll see what all the problems were that people encountered, and how they were solved. Even if you don't run into the problems, at least you'll learn a whole lot and understand your device much, much more intimately.
...and if you get stuck, we're here to help. Many of us have been through this whole process countless times before, and are willing to lend a hand - just don't post random questions in the dev section and everything will be good.
Welcome to our little corner of the XDA universe - you'll love this device!
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Wow, thank you for all the info, I am very grateful. I've noticed there are a few threads detailing how to root but can you tell me which one would be the best and most reliable? Thanks again for all the info, especially about that HTC spy stuff, I had no idea.
micahman said:
Wow, thank you for all the info, I am very grateful. I've noticed there are a few threads detailing how to root but can you tell me which one would be the best and most reliable? Thanks again for all the info, especially about that HTC spy stuff, I had no idea.
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I used theunlockr.com to root it, worked like a charm and has a video walk throu.. which I'm a big fan of. Easier to follow. but the only difference is to flash modoco cwm not revolutionary.. so you can flash undeadK9's roms.. id suggest senseless.
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shady503403 said:
I used theunlockr.com to root it, worked like a charm and has a video walk throu.. which I'm a big fan of. Easier to follow. but the only difference is to flash modoco cwm not revolutionary.. so you can flash undeadK9's roms.. id suggest senseless.
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Thanks man! Got it rooted and running senseless! So far so good!
Not to contradict Shady's advice, especially since it seems like it worked for you, but i've previously and still do recommend against going to a third party web resource outside of XDA to root the device.
The reason being is that a lot of us did everything from the information available here, and we are familiar with the processes and common problems people run into following the guides posted here in the forums.
If you post questions about problems or an issue you run into, you run the risk of slow or no support because of the unfamiliarity the majority of us here have with outside methods and resources.
I know off the top of my head I could post a helpful response to someone having a problem with a method described here. For an outside resource...i'd probably have to go look it up, maybe download somehing, and probably try the method before being able to help.
Then i'd have to dig into the code of whatever offering was in question, to ensure it wasn't doing anything I didn't want it to do before installing anything.
Ultimately, this is a lot more time and trouble then just digging into my memory or looking up a specific thread to verify something, and also probably provide a link to the specific post that addresses the problem.
I'm hitting overtime consistently on my night job, and still picking up hours at my day job, and honestly would rather commit the level of time necessary to troubleshoot an outside resource on something more personally productive, like digging deeper into kernel source or something.
Just a thought to keep in mind as you (and others in the future) wander around here. I promise that everything you need to root your phone and install custom ROMs and such is right here in the MT4GS forums. (excepting the need to go to the revolutionary resource for S-OFF).
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Cm7 just dropped like a bomb
sent from my real Gs move in silence like lasagna
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With a follow up by Official CWM Recovery. Today was a good day.
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Blue6IX said:
Not to contradict Shady's advice, especially since it seems like it worked for you, but i've previously and still do recommend against going to a third party web resource outside of XDA to root the device.
The reason being is that a lot of us did everything from the information available here, and we are familiar with the processes and common problems people run into following the guides posted here in the forums.
If you post questions about problems or an issue you run into, you run the risk of slow or no support because of the unfamiliarity the majority of us here have with outside methods and resources.
I know off the top of my head I could post a helpful response to someone having a problem with a method described here. For an outside resource...i'd probably have to go look it up, maybe download somehing, and probably try the method before being able to help.
Then i'd have to dig into the code of whatever offering was in question, to ensure it wasn't doing anything I didn't want it to do before installing anything.
Ultimately, this is a lot more time and trouble then just digging into my memory or looking up a specific thread to verify something, and also probably provide a link to the specific post that addresses the problem.
I'm hitting overtime consistently on my night job, and still picking up hours at my day job, and honestly would rather commit the level of time necessary to troubleshoot an outside resource on something more personally productive, like digging deeper into kernel source or something.
Just a thought to keep in mind as you (and others in the future) wander around here. I promise that everything you need to root your phone and install custom ROMs and such is right here in the MT4GS forums. (excepting the need to go to the revolutionary resource for S-OFF).
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Very true. They use a lot of information found at xda to build their guides off of thou. And a video tutorial is always nice, for me anyways. but yeah.. don't expect support from theunlockr.com.
I always go their, sometimes their outdated or wrong. But still gave me a general idea and I was able to use multiple guides to give me the correct process..
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I'm glad I was able to find this thread, cause I've been wondering whether or not it would actually be worth it to root a MT4GS or not. And ya, I can agree that for the most part, rooting has more benefits than problems. And I always have gotten the same answer when asking that question about other devices, "Just root it; you'd have to be crazy not to; nothing compares to a rooted phone, etc...". So I gave in and rooted my MT3G 1.2 (w/ the headphone jack on top). After a while I noticed some definite problems: a few important features were gone, also it was impossible to update G. Maps (because of being rooted), and finally the worst scenario of all: not being possible to un-root the device. I must have tried 10 times, following the directions to the T and repeatedly getting the same failure error. I was finally able to find someone else with a similar problem who posted their solution. Tried, waited, failed. Fully bricked, I mean not even a flicker or a battery light would come on after that. Fortunately, I was able to lie to customer service and convince them to do a warranty exchange (Aeon-1, T-Mobile-0) so I got a replacement and haven't rooted since.
So I guess my point is, I'm actually scared to root my new MT4GS for the sake of potentially not being able to unroot it if need be. But, so far from what I've read it looks like it is reversable if I ever need to. I was likely considering using theunlockr.com's method due to clearly stated, and easily understood instructions. I wish I could say the same about the posts I've read @ XDA regarding rooting instructions.
-Which rooting methods are guaranteed to be un-rootable? That option is crucial, if I ever need to go back to stock or do a warranty exchange (for all those people who were gonna say "Why the hell would you ever consider unrooting?)
-So some people suggest ClockworkMod Recovery, others don't seem to care. I ask, is there any real difference between the two? And why?
-Also, which are the best/most stable roms you would suggest? Because I've done the trial and error thing before, comparing several different roms, and I never seemed to find anything worthwhile. (Also, I checked CyanogenMod's site and either I'm blind or they don't have a single rom for the MT4GS)
-I think you somewhat answer the question regarding features of the stock camera being available after rooting. But I need to know: After rooting, is the camera going to be the same as the stock one, including ALL available features (SweepShot, ClearShot HDR, Burst Shot, Macro, Night...)? And is that camera program featured within all rooted roms, or does it have to be installed seperately?
-And ditto that question in regards to G-Maps.
-And finally this may seem like a n00b question, but I've still never gotten a clear answer: How/When can a Nandroid Backup be performed? I know that it would be a safety precaution in case I ever f*cked up my device and needed to restore, but I've never been able to find clear, accurate, and relevant instructions on how to nandroid backup or even nandroid restore.
So I apologize for asking so many questions, especially since I imagine they seem redundant and novice. However, I have rooted phones before so I'm not a complete n00b; I'm just trying to be VERY thorough this time around, to avoid any potential for error. Thank you in advance for your time.
-Colton
@eon said:
I'm glad I was able to find this thread, cause I've been wondering whether or not it would actually be worth it to root a MT4GS or not. And ya, I can agree that for the most part, rooting has more benefits than problems. And I always have gotten the same answer when asking that question about other devices, "Just root it; you'd have to be crazy not to; nothing compares to a rooted phone, etc...". So I gave in and rooted my MT3G 1.2 (w/ the headphone jack on top). After a while I noticed some definite problems: a few important features were gone, also it was impossible to update G. Maps (because of being rooted), and finally the worst scenario of all: not being possible to un-root the device. I must have tried 10 times, following the directions to the T and repeatedly getting the same failure error. I was finally able to find someone else with a similar problem who posted their solution. Tried, waited, failed. Fully bricked, I mean not even a flicker or a battery light would come on after that. Fortunately, I was able to lie to customer service and convince them to do a warranty exchange (Aeon-1, T-Mobile-0) so I got a replacement and haven't rooted since.
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Sorry to hear that didn't work out so well. I think you'll find that your MT4GS experience will be a lot better.
Check the link to my backup thread in my signature. Read through it, and feel free to ask any questions in that thread you may have. I or another will be happy to help you clear them up.
Link: Backups - After Rooting, before ROMing, take this step
@eon said:
So I guess my point is, I'm actually scared to root my new MT4GS for the sake of potentially not being able to unroot it if need be. But, so far from what I've read it looks like it is reversable if I ever need to. I was likely considering using theunlockr.com's method due to clearly stated, and easily understood instructions. I wish I could say the same about the posts I've read @ XDA regarding rooting instructions.
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Yea, everything tends to happen first here, so trying to keep it all organized as things change and develop is difficult at times, much too convoluted at others.
Basically, you need to take your bootloader from S-ON to S-OFF. Do this with the Revolutionary exploit. It installs CWM 4.0.0.8 during the process.
Then you need to make a nandroid backup. (see my backup thread)
Then you should upgrade to the official Clockworkmod Recovery, replacing 4.0.0.8 that was installed with the S-OFF exploit. The version is 5.0.2.7
Dev section link for the official CWM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329160
Once you do that, you should already have the superuser.apk you need for rooting that you found when you got the Revolutionary S-OFF tools. You can either have done it then, or now.
I'd wait until after getting the official CWM first, simply because that makes your first nandroid backup as fresh as it can be. It's up to you when you do it.
And that's basically it.
You now have a stock, rooted phone that you can start to play with. I'd say play with it for a little while on the stock ROM before switching to another, that way you'll get a feel for what you gain or lose, and if the various trade-offs are worth it.
Before doing any of that stuff, though, read through this thread:
Read this before posting. MT4G Slide Compendium
That will get you a little more familiar with the terminology, and provide helpful links to start exploring what you need to know.
Also read as much of this thread as you can stand:
S-OFF for Retail (S-ON) Devices, NOTE ADDED 8/17/11
This S-OFF for retail is the thread that officially announced the Revolutionary exploit for S-OFF here. The links in the OP will take you to where you need to go to get it.
If you get through that one, then this is a follow up:
PERMANENT-ROOT (NEW!) & Temp-Root (v2) for any MT4GS (Windows)
The temp-root thread is a bit confusing, because before we got S-OFF you could root the phone until you rebooted it. Once the Revolutionary S-OFF method was out, this thread also ran tandem with the official announcement thread. Because it was also dealing with temp root, it led to a lot of confusion.
There is some really good info in that thread, but I recommend reading the official release thread first. It'll make more sense that way, and you may not even have to check the temp-root thread.
(again, this lends to the evolving nature of what we're learning here - hard to keep it organized as it grows.)
Also, this thread: How To Turn S-Off, Install MoDaCo Clockworkmod Recovery, and Install a Rom For Dummie
Was written as a summary on how to get S-OFF and Root, because of how convoluted and looong the two previously mentioned threads got.
Once you hit this point, you're basically set.
My next move would be to install busybox, which you can find in the market, then immediately flash the Security patch to fix a glaring security flaw created by HTC.
At this point i'd make another nandroid backup.
@eon said:
-Which rooting methods are guaranteed to be un-rootable? That option is crucial, if I ever need to go back to stock or do a warranty exchange (for all those people who were gonna say "Why the hell would you ever consider unrooting?)
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They are all un-rootable, but once you go from S-ON to S-OFF that's a one-way trip. Several people have reported exchanging their devices after returning to stock with an S-OFF bootloader without issue.
This is returning to T-Mobile, though, it's questionable if HTC will accept a return directly of a device with an S-OFF bootloader.
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-So some people suggest ClockworkMod Recovery, others don't seem to care. I ask, is there any real difference between the two? And why?
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As mentioned, upgrade to the official Clockworkmod recovery as soon as possible. From here on out it will be the only supported recovery.
@eon said:
-Also, which are the best/most stable roms you would suggest? Because I've done the trial and error thing before, comparing several different roms, and I never seemed to find anything worthwhile. (Also, I checked CyanogenMod's site and either I'm blind or they don't have a single rom for the MT4GS)
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I'm working on releasing the updated version of Bulletproof right now, actually, and you'll like that one. Should be out in a day or so. The original developer is moving on and is handing it off to me.
I've just spent the last....dunno how long working at it, and needed to take 5 and clear my head. Cruised through the XDA MT4GS forums as i'm winding down for a break, and you caught me at a good time to give a response.
CM7 just got officially put on hold, but with your interest in the camera you probably wouldn't have gone for that right away. It's an alpha release, and we are very excited to have official CM support for the device, but since Ice Cream Sandwich ( Android 4.0 ) source code was just released, the CM team is focusing on that and it's likely to be a while before the CM7 for our phone sees an update.
Honestly, i'm more excited that they are focusing so exculsively on Ice Cream Sandwich, because that means a lot more for all the phones and devices beyond just our own version of CM7.
I'll leave other ROM recommendations to others who will surely come through here and tell you more about them.
@eon said:
-I think you somewhat answer the question regarding features of the stock camera being available after rooting. But I need to know: After rooting, is the camera going to be the same as the stock one, including ALL available features (SweepShot, ClearShot HDR, Burst Shot, Macro, Night...)? And is that camera program featured within all rooted roms, or does it have to be installed seperately?
-And ditto that question in regards to G-Maps.
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Pretty much all of the ROMs will support both the Camera app (in its entirety, included in the ROM) and Google maps.
The alpha port of CM7 is the only one (pretty sure) that doesn't support the camera, because the camera is tied into the sense frameworks. CM7 has no Sense components to it, and it was stated very clearly in the thread that it never will. The CM team and their ROM is worth losing the camera app over to a lot of people, and they are the lone exception to the "no camera app" stigma.
Keeping the camera app is one of the things that has been driving development around here, and very few people were willing to use or invest time in making a ROM that would exclude it.
I should take this time to point out that the stock gps configurations are, well, flat out wrong. Misconfigured, and it doesn't work well.
Myself and another developer independently spent a lot of time working on fixing this issue, and when we realized what each other were doing we also realized that we had the piece of the puzzle the other needed to make it work.
We released a collaboration that solved the problem, which you can find here: GPS lock too long or not at all? Try this
If you want to know how my half of the puzzle works, that thread will explain it in almost excrutiating detail. I recommend my patch over the other developers, as he is no longer with us and I will only be continuing support in my thread.
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-And finally this may seem like a n00b question, but I've still never gotten a clear answer: How/When can a Nandroid Backup be performed? I know that it would be a safety precaution in case I ever f*cked up my device and needed to restore, but I've never been able to find clear, accurate, and relevant instructions on how to nandroid backup or even nandroid restore.
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Just cruise through my backup thread. Post 1 is an adb method, post 2 is the nandroid method. If you have any questions, post them in that thread and help us try to maintain some kind of order (hah!)
@eon said:
So I apologize for asking so many questions, especially since I imagine they seem redundant and novice. However, I have rooted phones before so I'm not a complete n00b; I'm just trying to be VERY thorough this time around, to avoid any potential for error. Thank you in advance for your time.
-Colton
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Honestly, don't ever worry about asking too many or too long of a question, as long as you don't post the question itself as a new thread in the development section of the MT4GS forums.
I'm sorry to hear it took such a bad experience for you to become as cautious as you are, but now that you're long past it you are much better off.
I'd much rather see someone ask questions, read some stuff, ask more questions, and then act on knowledge then just go and do and then say "I broke it, what do I do".
I'm happy to help either way, but if the information is there already then reading it before you start is much better then retroactively. Save the "how do I fix it" for uncharted territory learning things that aren't already common knowledge.
Again, part of the problem is that information is so convoluted because we keep adding to it as we learn new things. You can't really structure it before you know what it's going to be.
Myself and a few others have been trying to put effort into organizing things, but it's really a monumental task and i'd like to develop new things more so then catalogue what we already know. It's a crappy balance, but I try to put equal time to developing and organizing/answering questions.
I hope this helped you out some, I know I didn't completely cover it all but it should give you some things to chew on and help you sift through the data by spending more time on the relevant parts. Even then it's still a lot that you should know.
Don't be afraid to ask questions, one of the reasons I go into such depth is because people can correct me precisely where i'm wrong if I am about something.
You learn more when you're willing to admit you don't know something, then to pretend you do for whatever reason. Asking the right questions depends on being honest about what you do and don't know with yourself, so fire away.
I've got to get outside for a few minutes, then get back into coding, but someone else will come along and add to this soon enough.
Take care!
Well I definitely very much appreciate your prompt, and very detailed response to my many questions. I've been reading over what you've written plus the links over the past day. The main issue I have is digging through each thread looking for relevant information, while trying not to get sucked into each and every tangent post/link/info. I lost track of how many hours I've wasted reading irrelevant info which I initially thought actually had something to do with what I was after. And now a day later, I have my desk covered in reference notes (which are no longer comprehensible) and I'm more confused than I was before.
There are plenty of issues I have with forums in general. First of which being, organization seldom exists. Its like going into a library with a single question about 'how to change a tire', and leaving with 15 random, heavy books on quantum theory and black-matter, because apparently someone implied they were somehow related (I'm referring to other people, not you). Discouraging to say the least. I thought this would be more black-and-white; more simple. When 'Android' was new, rooting was simple (less ways to re-invent the wheel).
I'm walking away from this for now. The headache isnt worth it (I literally feel like I got skull-f*cked by god himself). But thank you for your help and feedback.
micahman said:
I just got the MT4GS after being a long time MT4G user and I'm wondering if it is worth it to root as there is currently no CM or stable Virtuous Rom which is what I used on the MT4G. Any helpful opinions are much appreciated.
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Yes it is DEFINITELY worth it... Root away my friend and welcome to the MT4GS family. This phones kicks ass and we are expanding every day like wildfire
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@eon said:
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I'm walking away from this for now. The headache isnt worth it (I literally feel like I got skull-f*cked by god himself). But thank you for your help and feedback.
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Hah, yea, XDA is like that all over - just the nature of the beast.
This is not the quick-answer type of home, yet from a developers point of view there is no better place on the internet for android/phone development information and help.
It really does all start here, and the journey of discovery is much more prized and worthwhile then the actual end result. In that respect the way XDA is, is the way it should be.
Sometimes the best way to come to grips with something is to forget about it for a little while. Let your mind work it over running in the background, and when you bring it back into focus you'll have a better hold on what you need, and what you still have to learn.
Again, feel free to ask any questions you may have and we'll do the best we can to get you set in the right direction.
Ya, it was like mass overload the other day; it was like trying to make a PBJ sandwhich, then realizing I have to bake my own bread from scratch, grind up peanuts into butter, and somehow pick my own berries for jam, etc...
Anyways, I read over some of those topics again and some of it makes a little more sense. But still, some of those threads are so damn long, Im not gonna read each and every post from top to bottom of the thread, at least not yet. But the main issue I've realized is definitely going to be a problem is the fact that turning S-Off is irreversible. There is absolutely no method of turning S-On after its been turned off, which doesnt seem to make any sense; I figure, if you are able to flip a light-switch on, its only obvious you should be able to flip the switch off. So why is the 'S-Off' method a one-way path? And is this problem going to be fixed?
I read a bunch of articles and tutorials on 'unrooting' the MT4GS, and each one says that it will change the phone back to the stock factory condition it was in before rooting. Of course, once I scroll down and keep reading comments, everyone says that there isnt a way to turn "S-ON". SO, how the hell would someone be able to root their phone while still ever having the option to do a warranty exchange? Unrooting is great cause it gets you most the way there. But I've been reading that when T-Mobile recieves the phone, they send it to HTC for inspection/repair, and thats where they look at all the software/firmware/h-boot/recovery/S-ON Versions to make sure they are at factory specs. So once again, even though it is possible to "unroot" the MT4GS if need be, it still impossible to fully go back to factory standard (which is exactly what I was worried about).
Thats ****ty cause I was actually willing and ready to start rooting via theunlockr.com's method (cause its a hell of a lot easier than any tutorial in these forums, it does it the same way, its just easier to understand). BUT, that S-ON/S-OFF snafu is enough for me to reconsider. As I'm sure there are tons of benefits to rooting and therefore I may not ever want to unroot, I still may need to for the sake of the warranty exchange. And believe me when I say that I NEED to have the ability to exchange; I've had to exchange the MT4GS 5 times within 3 consecutive weeks because each one I recieved in the mail had some physical manufacturer defects. And since the most recent replacement is a refurb, I need to leave that Warranty-Door open in case I need to exchange.... again.
By the way, I forgot why S-Off was required in the first place. Is it possible to remain rooted without S-Off???
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Ya, it was like mass overload the other day; it was like trying to make a PBJ sandwhich, then realizing I have to bake my own bread from scratch, grind up peanuts into butter, and somehow pick my own berries for jam, etc...
Anyways, I read over some of those topics again and some of it makes a little more sense. But still, some of those threads are so damn long, Im not gonna read each and every post from top to bottom of the thread, at least not yet. But the main issue I've realized is definitely going to be a problem is the fact that turning S-Off is irreversible. There is absolutely no method of turning S-On after its been turned off, which doesnt seem to make any sense; I figure, if you are able to flip a light-switch on, its only obvious you should be able to flip the switch off. So why is the 'S-Off' method a one-way path? And is this problem going to be fixed?
I read a bunch of articles and tutorials on 'unrooting' the MT4GS, and each one says that it will change the phone back to the stock factory condition it was in before rooting. Of course, once I scroll down and keep reading comments, everyone says that there isnt a way to turn "S-ON". SO, how the hell would someone be able to root their phone while still ever having the option to do a warranty exchange? Unrooting is great cause it gets you most the way there. But I've been reading that when T-Mobile recieves the phone, they send it to HTC for inspection/repair, and thats where they look at all the software/firmware/h-boot/recovery/S-ON Versions to make sure they are at factory specs. So once again, even though it is possible to "unroot" the MT4GS if need be, it still impossible to fully go back to factory standard (which is exactly what I was worried about).
Thats ****ty cause I was actually willing and ready to start rooting via theunlockr.com's method (cause its a hell of a lot easier than any tutorial in these forums, it does it the same way, its just easier to understand). BUT, that S-ON/S-OFF snafu is enough for me to reconsider. As I'm sure there are tons of benefits to rooting and therefore I may not ever want to unroot, I still may need to for the sake of the warranty exchange. And believe me when I say that I NEED to have the ability to exchange; I've had to exchange the MT4GS 5 times within 3 consecutive weeks because each one I recieved in the mail had some physical manufacturer defects. And since the most recent replacement is a refurb, I need to leave that Warranty-Door open in case I need to exchange.... again.
By the way, I forgot why S-Off was required in the first place. Is it possible to remain rooted without S-Off???
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not permanently. you'd have to temp-root every time you reboot.
Revolutionary is about the easiest way to root a phone in existence so I'm not sure why you're so scared... assuming you have adb working, it's literally as easy as plugging your phone in and opening a single file in the Revolutionary zip archive. everything is done for you. as long as you don't download their faulty recovery (it will ask you if you want to... just say no), it's literally the easiest rooting method available that I've ever seen.
don't make it too complicated. I certainly believe in having all of your bases covered, especially when it comes to potentially screwing up a $500 bundle of plastic, metal and silicone, but rooting is not a big deal anymore.
many people will tell you that they have received warranty replacements after sending in S-OFF/rooted phones. my best guess would be that HTC/Tmo randomly pick phones to "thoroughly check" and the majority don't receive this type of treatment.. and even if they find a rooted device, there's no telling whether or not they will deny your replacement.
I received a warranty replacement (faulty hardware buttons, the leds never turned off) for my gal's rooted MT4GS simply by installing the stock rom and recovery, but still with Revolutionary's hboot installed. No issues whatsoever. I'm not saying it's "right" and I'm not guaranteeing you the same result, just offering my first-hand experience.
here's how you can obtain perma-root and s-off in ~10 minutes. no complicated guides:
www.revolutionary.io
download installer, enter serial # to get your code.
open archive and find the installer... let it run.
when it's done, you'll be rooted and s-off with a custom hboot. say "no" to the download recovery option and manually flash the official CWM recovery, or modaco's 4.0.0.9 recovery image. (either should be fine, although roms are going to start coming out that may have issues with the 4.0.0.9 modaco recovery so cwm is probably your best bet)
if not being able to flip the S-OFF switch back to S-ON at this point is something you can't get over, this isn't for you. personally, I spent $500 on this phone and I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to it, and if TMO and HTC have a problem with that, I will happily take my business elsewhere.
Its not rooting that I'm worried about, its the possibility of having to do (yet another) warranty exchange and being caught sending back a warranty-void device. And since I just found out that my premium phone insurance extends my warranty for an indefinite amount of time, I imagine that i will undoubtedly be exchanging this phone sometime in the future. I can only hope that by then either the S-Off thing has been fixed or T-Mobile announces they no longer care. I can see both happening, honestly.
Rooting is going to be the easy part, if/when I decide to do it. The last things I havent yet figured out are:
-Which Rom(s) I'm going to try. When I compare most roms side by side, they all seem vaguely identical. I remember Cyanogen having the option of fully customized visual aspects/themes, as well as tons of settings/features that werent offered through other roms. But the problem with CM is that, as you said before, the several camera options/modes in the stock rom are not being used by CM. I'm looking for a rom that is, above all, stable; lightweight/fast; includes all camera features of stock rom; and if apps like gmaps wont be included, I'd like to be able to find something that is comparable, or even better if possible. If not, I really hope the market allows gmaps to be installed on a rooted device (a while back on my rooted phone, the install of gmaps would always fail) Also, you had mentioned that you were nearing completion of a Rom of your own, so I might read up on that as well.
-I read up on that article on micro sd cards regarding speed comparisons, so I ended up running the benchmark app on my pc and found that my SanDisk 8bg Class 4 was (apparently) faster than my currently used Samsung 16gb Class 2, which sucks cause I like having more space than I use. But anyways it got me thinking, I realize that speed is important for file-transfers and also running apps that have been moved to the sd, but I could have sworn I remember someone talking about how they had rooted and then installed their OS/Rom onto their SD card instead of the phone itself. I dont know if I read that wrong or not. And if that was accurate, then I want to know if there is truly any benefit from doing that or not.
-Also, in regards to sd cards, I remember last year when I had a rooted MT3G with Amon Ra's recovery, there was an option to throw in partitions. Almost everyone I talked with on here told me to add a partition. Then after a few updates to the recovery, I noticed new options in the partition section: Ext.2, Ext.3, and Ext.4 as well as the options to select the partition size and "swap" size. I never did understand what exactly the difference (if any) between "Ext.2, Ext. 4.... etc" was.
And as far as the "swap" size, I remember there being a LOT of debate over what exactly this number should be. Some people started suggesting outrageously high numbers, while others explicitly explained to not do that, because apparently the lower the number the faster it becomes. Ok, so if thats the basic concept, great. But I still never did find any reliable information regarding "swap" size.
So ya, those are the final questions/issues that have been bugging me. Any advice/help is greatly appreciated.
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# 1 [Q] LG g2x 2.3.3 HELP CHANGE to 2.3.7 or better for battery
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Hello, I'm new and pretty dumb about smartphones but I'm very motivated and excited to have found "you guys". I like what you guys believe in
"P.S. A little bit more about us. XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we RESPECT each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important."
I will show every member that I'm humble and grateful for any help that comes my way. I promise to ALL MEMBERS that I will be a "GOOD" member and give back to the site at every opportunity.
I bought a g2x used with 2.3.3 and I love it except the battery life. I heard that if I downloaded the 2.3.7 the battery problem would go away. My problem is that I know nothing about this type of "stuff" but I'm VERY excited about learning and starting new and TRUE relationships with other members. PLEASE HELP me get this LG g2x straightened out.: I need to learn how to re-root this phone. I have to make4 sure that I don't harm what good I already have. If I can't get better battery life from this phone I will have wasted $250. I just finished "fighting" Lymphoma cancer and I can't afford to throw away money, especially in these amounts. Please help me and get to know me and I the same with you.
Thank You, Sincerely, Cgarland
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Hello, I'm new and pretty dumb about smartphones but I'm very motivated and excited to have found "you guys". I like what you guys believe in
"P.S. A little bit more about us. XDA-Developers was founded on the simple principal that SHARING IS GOOD and when many people SHARE what they know, EVERYONE benefits. We exist upon this Ethos, we RESPECT each other, we SHARE with each other, we do not judge one another and we HELP all who ask. We believe that while some may have more knowledge than another, none are more important."
I will show every member that I'm humble and grateful for any help that comes my way. I promise to ALL MEMBERS that I will be a "GOOD" member and give back to the site at every opportunity.
I bought a g2x used with 2.3.3 and I love it except the battery life. I heard that if I downloaded the 2.3.7 the battery problem would go away. My problem is that I know nothing about this type of "stuff" but I'm VERY excited about learning and starting new and TRUE relationships with other members. PLEASE HELP me get this LG g2x straightened out.:
Thank You, Sincerely, Cgarland
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Hello sir. All you have to do NVFlash CWM and you're all set to flash a ROM.
Follow this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy9on64jAZs
Just the part where you do the NVFLash. Once that's done upgrade CWM to the latest version, you can find that in the dev section.
Then you just simply DL CM7, wipe your phone then flash your desired ROM.
I didn't really go into details in case you're already familiar with CWM and flashing, that's just a gist of it. But if you need more help and have no idea what flashing and CWM is then let me know.
GREAT to hear from you.
Howd ya know? I have no idea what CWM or flashing is! I want to thank you for writing back to me. I'm MORE than excited about talking with the members of this site. I'm having dental work done at the University of Washington school of dentistry and I have to go to bed since I have to get up at 6:30 in order to make it to Seattle from Olympia by 9:30. I hope tomorrow we can continue to talk about these and other issues with these type of devices? Thank You....who are you? I want to learn how to attach a video to my post like you did for me. You have no idea how excited I'm about this site and talking with you guys. The member that just answered my question is totally freaking me out with the knowledge that you have about my phone. What I think your saying is that I need to get a cord that goes from my power outlet on my phone to a usb plug on my computer? Please explain, in detail, what you mean when you say " All you have to do NVFlash CWM and you're all set to flash a ROM." Is that where I empty my phone and then re-load with an updated version? Do I have to protect my phone? Did this phone come with 2.2.3? What do the numbers mean? I hope I can help you with something in return? Thank you VERY MUCH Sir. I look forward to talking with you tomorrow...cgarland
Is this g2x a good phone if I can get the battery to last at least one full day? I like the phone and all that I've read about it (except the bad) but it is my first smartphone. Seriously mackster248 I want to keep this phone. Can I make this phone work properly so I will be happy with it? Will the battery life improve with updates? What is "ROM: CM7 or MIUI" I'm not kidding, there is a guy on Craigslist that did exactly the same thing to his g2x, that is he has CM7 and MIUI on his g2x. Here is his post. What do you think mackster248?
Title says it all, unlocked for any GSM carrier and rooted with cyanogen mod 7 and flashed with a cool MIUI rom making it faster and better looking than ever.
Will come with HDMI cable, black hard rubber case, 2 chargers and original box. 9/10 condition front and back it had a screen protector on but I recently took it off because it made the phone look like crap. It has a CLEAN front now.
MOSTLY LOOKING FOR TRADES but $275 cash nothing more nothing less is good. Looking for an iPhone 4 unlocked I dont care how many gbs just has to be unlocked, same condition, with charger at least.
Looking for:
Iphone 3gs 16/32 gb unlocked and jailbroken w/ accessories and some cash on your side.
LG thrill unlocked
Iphone 4 unlocked
HTC sensation
All offers are considered just shoot me what phone you have.
206 four53 eight713 will send pics through text!
Teach me what it is you both are talking about mackster....PLEASE! See that where he say's what you said?
Thank You, cgarland
i have a problem as host's, it's very helpful, thanks
Well CWM is a recovery that's needed to flash custom ROMs. You need to follow that video to install CWM via NVFlash. Just do that portion first then I can help you with the rest.
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Cwm is clockwork mod recovery.. it is a modified recovery that allows any rom to be flashed to your phone.
Recovery is a utility built into the phone that lets you do various tasks like install different modified versions of android reset your phone to a "new" state... deleting all the data on it (except android itself)
To flash a rom means to install it...
Cm7 is cyanogen mod 7 which is a "team" created rom that has a lot of added features that the stock Android does not have check out cyanogenmod.com for more details...
Miui is pronounced my U I and is another "team" created version of android that very much changes the look and feel of android...
As far as everything else... browse the development section and just read... that's the easiest and best way to learn
As far as battery life... there are a few roms that improve battery life... but there is no miracle solution. It's just a sacrifice that is made in liu of speed and performance... what I mean is... a dual core 1ghz processor uses battery... ya know
Also... if you need help try and post in the right section ... general or q&a ... don't ask questions in the development section .. for some reason a lot of people have a huge stick up their rear and rather than being helpful... they just get all rude and tell you that you are posting in the wrong section and are rude...
Joel
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Just got out of the hospital and good to hear from you mackster248 What a cool name "mackster248" I will do what you say mackster248 and get back to you....THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!
renocivik THANK YOU so much for your reply! I just got out of the hospital and saw your reply for me. I will read your information and do exactly as you say and get back to you ASAP with my results. Is this a good phone renocivik? I see where you talk about battery life, what should I do? I need to get some rest before I write anymore stuff here. I will talk to you guys soon. Thanks for everything and will get back to you tomorrow.....cg
What are you saying? I truly don't understand what your trying to tell me. Would you please explain cfj521 ? Thank You cgarland
I think I can put flashing and cwm into simpler terms for you.
The word "flashing," in this case would mean downloading and installing a new ROM to your phone.
A ROM in this case, is simply a developer made android system that they make for the better and enjoyability of your phone.
CWM is an abbreviation for "Clock work mod recovery."
CWM was made for you to make adjustments to your phone, and install new software, ROMs much easier.
This system will be the head quarters of making adjustments to your phone.
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Now, about getting NvFlash onto your device.
NvFlasher is, I believe, also a developer made program specific to our Nvidia Tegra devices. And also does make installing CWM much easier.
(Nvidia Tegra 2 is the processor for our G2x)
There is a section around here that explains to you how to use NvFlash for your G2x.
Which, I believe will be in the Android Development section in our G2x forums. Probably at the tippy top in a sticky forum (Highlighted forum).
The instructions may be a bit hard to following, but hang in there and just follow the instructions for NvFlash, refrain from stuff that isn't for now.
I hope I enlightened you a little bit on what we all talk about around here.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0jGY2N2h1U&feature=player_embedded#!
OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! Does Anyone Know If That Battery Can Be Replaced? Im Sure It Probably Can....
Feedback?
PS: I Didnt See Any Micro SD Card...
LMFAO omgomgomgomgomg
Did you look ANYWHERE ELSE besides here before asking the two stupidest questions you could possibly ask?
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Sorry, I'm just shocked at how dumb your overall post is in general. Not just the question but the OMG OMG OMG bull****... It's stupid and it makes people ignore you because you seem childish. Are you having a panic attack or something or is that how you talk in day to day conversation too?
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Sorry, I'm just shocked at how dumb your overall post is in general. Not just the question but the OMG OMG OMG bull****... It's stupid and it makes people ignore you because you seem childish. Are you having a panic attack or something or is that how you talk in day to day conversation too?
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wow what a jerk.
I for one was very interested in his post. What do you care if he posted omg in caps? IMO
you look like the bigger fool.
Sad to see the attacks on this forum.
Troll.
I'm not sure if it is possible to create a higher capacity battery while still keeping the same dimensions of the original battery. If it was that simple, shouldn't HTC have done this themselves?
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wow what a jerk.
I for one was very interested in his post. What do you care if he posted omg in caps? IMO
you look like the bigger fool.
Sad to see the attacks on this forum.
Troll.
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The TS begins every word he types with a capital letter, it's annoying
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The TS begins every word he types with a capital letter, it's annoying
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So what? Seriously, why does it matter? I use a lot of dots....................does it affect my content or intent?
People who feel the need to scold or correct others is a bigger problem here than any caps IMO. Been here at the One S forum for less than a week and had my fill of it. Wasn't this bad at the G2X side.
I know......I'm doing it too.
But the needless scolding, mean-ness, and bad attitudes ruin this great forum IMO.
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So what? Seriously, why does it matter? I use a lot of dots....................does it affect my content or intent?
People who feel the need to scold or correct others is a bigger problem here than any caps IMO. Been here at the One S forum for less than a week and had my fill of it. Wasn't this bad at the G2X side.
I know......I'm doing it too.
But the needless scolding, mean-ness, and bad attitudes ruin this great forum IMO.
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Well Put, Kudos
I'm coming from the galaxy s2 forums and its a totally different environment ppl seem to be real strict with the way we type, thank god for spell check god forbid i spell something wrong lmaoo there goes my account...lol
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So what? Seriously, why does it matter? I use a lot of dots....................does it affect my content or intent?
People who feel the need to scold or correct others is a bigger problem here than any caps IMO. Been here at the One S forum for less than a week and had my fill of it. Wasn't this bad at the G2X side.
I know......I'm doing it too.
But the needless scolding, mean-ness, and bad attitudes ruin this great forum IMO.
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You are right about the pointless scolding and correcting. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, I just found the topic annoying to read and I think I may point that out. That doesn't say I agree to attack the op about it.
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Sorry, I'm just shocked at how dumb your overall post is in general. Not just the question but the OMG OMG OMG bull****... It's stupid and it makes people ignore you because you seem childish. Are you having a panic attack or something or is that how you talk in day to day conversation too?
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By your comment, you are the child here....
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I wouldn't do such a dangerous manipulation. The One S's battery is already excellent so I would not consider changing it before a long time.
ickster said:
So what? Seriously, why does it matter? I use a lot of dots....................does it affect my content or intent?
People who feel the need to scold or correct others is a bigger problem here than any caps IMO. Been here at the One S forum for less than a week and had my fill of it. Wasn't this bad at the G2X side.
I know......I'm doing it too.
But the needless scolding, mean-ness, and bad attitudes ruin this great forum IMO.
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Why are you willingly doing it if you hate it?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0jGY2N2h1U&feature=player_embedded#!
OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! Does Anyone Know If That Battery Can Be Replaced? Im Sure It Probably Can....
Feedback?
PS: I Didnt See Any Micro SD Card...
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OK so to answer your question there is a way to change the battery say it becomes unusable, (Direct from T-Mobile tech support ) you can bring in the device to a service store and they can replacement it for you or upgrade it with an extended version that's made for it and there is a battery / case you can buy that fits over the device and doubles the life of the existing battery and protects the device at the same time.
Once I get mine in the mail this week (buy one get one free, I got two) I'll pull one apart and try to change out the sdcard to a 32gb (I guess it's gotta be cut on the left side to fit) and I'll report back with how I do.
But for the short answer, No and No with a side of lost topic abuse. Good luck...........
Orical said:
OK so to answer your question there is a way to change the battery say it becomes unusable, (Direct from T-Mobile tech support ) you can bring in the device to a service store and they can replacement it for you or upgrade it with an extended version that's made for it and there is a battery / case you can buy that fits over the device and doubles the life of the existing battery and protects the device at the same time.
Once I get mine in the mail this week (buy one get one free, I got two) I'll pull one apart and try to change out the sdcard to a 32gb (I guess it's gotta be cut on the left side to fit) and I'll report back with how I do.
But for the short answer, No and No with a side of lost topic abuse. Good luck...........
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Teardown video. Can't watch now, but from the freezeframe, doesn't look like there's an actual "sd card" you can replace.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/htc-one-s-teardown/
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Teardown video. Can't watch now, but from the freezeframe, doesn't look like there's an actual "sd card" you can replace.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/21/htc-one-s-teardown/
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Actually it's been done already but I'm having a hard time finding the read through on it again but it shows you how to cut the SDCard ( along the side , it has to match the one taken from it.) so that it will fit the holder it locks into, it's not like the standard slot it actually has a plate over it.
If I find the breakdown again I'll post it but it actually doesn't look that hard to do but I think it didn't matter what kind of card it had to be as long as the casing was cut correctly.
I'm just not going to let this 32 gb SDCard go to waste even if I ruin one in the process I'll try anything once. I have pretty good hands though and because I'm use to soldering boards I think it shouldn't be too bad.
(If the information I got was correct too, you never know with the Net though.)
The information about the battery is valid though a tech at T-Mobile did say there is a battery that is made that will fit the case that you can upgrade it too but I didn't ask how much.
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Actually it's been done already but I'm having a hard time finding the read through on it again but it shows you how to cut the SDCard ( along the side , it has to match the one taken from it.) so that it will fit the holder it locks into, it's not like the standard slot it actually has a plate over it.
If I find the breakdown again I'll post it but it actually doesn't look that hard to do but I think it didn't matter what kind of card it had to be as long as the casing was cut correctly.
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I'm very curious about this. I did a search last night, but couldn't find anything. Saw many interior pics but nothing w/ a card visible.
Any idea where you saw it?
The speeds from the internal storage are way faster than a typical micro sdhc, I'm not convinced that someone will find an sd card slot in there
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My Desire S takes 5hr for normal charge, but if i take out my battery after a 4hrs of charge and put it back on it shows me 100% charging with green light,can some one explain me that,I am also getting sick of this 5hr of charging is there any way to improve charging time?
This is the THIRD thread you have started about EXACTLY the same thing.
Buy a new battery, it does wonders for the charging and screen time
I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.
- Thomas Watson (1874-1956), Chairman of IBM, 1943
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This is the THIRD thread you have started about EXACTLY the same thing.
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and it is the third time you are in my post,I want salution not stupid suggestion...so if anyone could help me should reply to my post rather then giving silly answers.
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and it is the third time you are in my post,I want salution not stupid suggestion...so if anyone could help me should reply to my post rather then giving silly answers.
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Your Battery is old and needs replacing, simple. If you wanted any other suggestions then opening more threads isn't going to achieve that, if anyone had any other suggestion then they would have answered in your first thread. Filling the forum with useless repeat threads is only going to get you silly answers, flamed and generally ignored.
"I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it."- Groucho Marx
jugg1es said:
Your Battery is old and needs replacing, simple. If you wanted any other suggestions then opening more threads isn't going to achieve that, if anyone had any other suggestion then they would have answered in your first thread. Filling the forum with useless repeat threads is only going to get you silly answers, flamed and generally ignored.
"I've had a wonderful time, but this wasn't it."- Groucho Marx
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thanks for another silly suggestion,
Of that's your feelings, then good luck with your battery, nothing wrong with the suggestion because up until last week u had the same problems as you then i purchased a new battery. Problem solved for me
"Do, or do not. There is no 'try'."
- Yoda
Librastar said:
and it is the third time you are in my post,I want salution not stupid suggestion...so if anyone could help me should reply to my post rather then giving silly answers.
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Librastar said:
thanks for another silly suggestion,
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And people wonder why I get frustrated at XDA nowadays
Some people are really thick, its beyond funny.
How do you expect some software tweak is going to improve charging times of your battery?
If it isn't lasting long enough as before, simply you need a new battery, are you too thick to realize that?
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olyloh6696 said:
Some people are really thick, its beyond funny.
How do you expect some software tweak is going to improve charging times of your battery?
If it isn't lasting long enough as before, simply you need a new battery, are you too thick to realize that?
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Dear Fellow members my cell phone is new, my brother has brought it from U.K to Pakistan,so there is no hardware fault as much as i know,i just needed a utility kind of app which can turn off all the power consuming apps on my phone, i didn't asked for a faster charging app,as the same i asked in previous threads also...
Dude... Replace the battery
Librastar said:
Dear Fellow members my cell phone is new, my brother has brought it from U.K to Pakistan,so there is no hardware fault as much as i know,i just needed a utility kind of app which can turn off all the power consuming apps on my phone, i didn't asked for a faster charging app,as the same i asked in previous threads also...
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1. Dont open same multiple topic, this place is cluttering up.
2. Have u tried a different battery?
ya so u say it is new, so ur new phone needs a 'special app' to do what other phones are able to do without such app, that is charge normally?
so it's software issue? sounds very unlikely doesn't it. Try a different charger/battery and tell us how it goes.
Software can't fix hardware issue.
rain987 said:
1. Dont open same multiple topic, this place is cluttering up.
2. Have u tried a different battery?
ya so u say it is new, so ur new phone needs a 'special app' to do what other phones are able to do without such app, that is charge normally?
so it's software issue? sounds very unlikely doesn't it. Try a different charger/battery and tell us how it goes.
Software can't fix hardware issue.
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I have consult an expert and confirmed that my battery condition is ok, I have tried to charged it with Samsung 4.7v charger and it took approximate same time to charge at full, I have recently installed the SAGA3d rom and it also didn't effect the charging time, I have consulted HTC about that they said that its a normal time to charge and they advised to turn off all power consuming app to make charge faster,can you please tell what is your charging time of Desire S?
Librastar said:
I have consult an expert and confirmed that my battery condition is ok, I have tried to charged it with Samsung 4.7v charger and it took approximate same time to charge at full, I have recently installed the SAGA3d rom and it also didn't effect the charging time, I have consulted HTC about that they said that its a normal time to charge and they advised to turn off all power consuming app to make charge faster,can you please tell what is your charging time of Desire S?
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My house has 2 ds, 1 is rooted which is mine the other is not, mine takes 7 hours from 10 to 100%, before this it only took appox 2 hours, which is the charge rate.
I have a habit or charging it from low to full, and yet this problem occur, my mom has a habit or charging whenever she feels like, and yet no problem
How it happened, no idea.
Is it a rom issue? no
Is it charger? no, i have 2 htc charger and 1 samsung, all the same.
Have i tried wipe, yes, but still no fix. Tried a few on the market, even in recovery.
The charge rate starts to slow at 50-55%, if u look at the graph, and starts to speed up at 91%.
Is it the port, very unlikely, but possible.
Is it the batt, very likely, why havent i tried changing it, because i have no money. And because i just charge when ever it gets low, which is usually the time i sleep.
So when ppl tell me to chg the battery i dont say it is silly. Unless i test it out, then i can rule out battery and say my battery is fine.
ps : basically what ppl here are telling u is, it is ur battery problem, and u called it "silly"? Makes u look silly doesnt it.
ps2 : and there is no app here to help u charge faster, and dun expect ppl to google for u
Librastar said:
I have consult an expert and confirmed that my battery condition is ok, I have tried to charged it with Samsung 4.7v charger and it took approximate same time to charge at full, I have recently installed the SAGA3d rom and it also didn't effect the charging time, I have consulted HTC about that they said that its a normal time to charge and they advised to turn off all power consuming app to make charge faster,can you please tell what is your charging time of Desire S?
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Charging time of my new 5 day old battery from empty to full is about 2-2.5 hours, my old battery took up to 5 hours for a full charge, this is the same regardless of the rom I'm using, I'm a flashaholic so I've tried on many roms over the last few days, the condition of my old battery was good according to the many apps out there(not that i put much stock in them) only when i brought a new battery did this improve. I would consider the people on this forum more expert than most "experts" I've come across and certainly more qualified than htc customer support who generally only read from a pre written flow chart and know very little about the workings of a phone
"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."- H. G. Wells (1866-1946)
Librastar said:
I called them sily because i know its not a problem.i just neded an app to facilitate me.and stop teling me about my other post u r not concernd with that.u can give suggestion u r welcome if u cant.dnt bother to entre the threads.
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Bottom line is you can't or won't accept the possibility that it could be a problem, the only way to disprove the possibility is of you actually purchase one and try it.
"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."- H. G. Wells (1866-1946)
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@OP: watch your language!
@others: You don't need to help him if you don't like his style .
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@OP: watch your language!
@others: You don't need to help him if you don't like his style .
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We like to help each other out in this forum, we don't really have any trolling issues. But we also don't appreciate being called silly or idiots, yet we've managed to keep it petty cool. If the op wants help them he should really listen to what is being said, if he tries a new Battery then I've no issue trying to help with anything else he had issue with. It's not really About his style more to do with the fact that he asks for help but doesn't appear to really want it under an impression that he can't be wrong
"The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live."
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We like to help each other out in this forum, we don't really have any trolling issues. But we also don't appreciate being called silly or idiots, yet we've managed to keep it petty cool. If the op wants help them he should really listen to what is being said, if he tries a new Battery then I've no issue trying to help with anything else he had issue with. It's not really About his style more to do with the fact that he asks for help but doesn't appear to really want it under an impression that he can't be wrong
"The reason Santa is so jolly is because he knows where all the bad girls live."
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I apologize for my my behavior my intention was not to hurt someones feelings,either its you or any other member,so lets get cool and forget any bad feeling anyone have you for me,its my first time to be in a fouram so plz bear with..
jugg1es said:
Bottom line is you can't or won't accept the possibility that it could be a problem, the only way to disprove the possibility is of you actually purchase one and try it.
"Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."- H. G. Wells (1866-1946)
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thanks for helping me out,but right now i don't have any money to buy a new one,and i would have to use this for some time.
Hi,
I just bought a one s and read through the forums for root, s-off and so on.
Compared to my EVO 3D and Sensation, s-off seems to be less painfull since there are some convenient exploits around that don't need any hardware actions (as the wire trick or soft brick the device).
But I got a little bit concerned about some posts claiming that after s-off the 3g connectivity got lost,
though reading the threads of the latest/greatest custom roms, there's nothing mentioned.
There's one dedicated thread in dev section, but I found no clear statement on how this is to fix.
Some state, that simply changing rom helps to get 3g back.
Some say it's a radio thing.
One member described a method where memory block is manipulated, but this also didn't work for all.
Till now I s-offed each htc phone I owned immediately, but now I'm getting doubts.
I'd appreciate any feedback on this from you experienced ville users out there.
To save you money, time and grief DONT DO IT.
Surely me and most everyone else is thankful that these guys spend time developing and tinkering but I screwed 2 One S,
that is when those disclaimers kick in, and I also looked, not exhaustively, for a skilled JTAG tech/user, the guy I sent it to
said he couldn't figure it out.
Maybe someone here can; most people that JTAG said that doing it to that phone is hard because it has to be taken apart.
Honestly, S-Off would make sense if its a new device to come in the market, as you have noticed, most ROMs and apps just
disappeared and the latest radio put together by someone in here is a 1.35.XX.XX. Since ROMs are limited, and most developers
dont even bother with this device just leave it alone. If flashing the radios is what you want, try the Aroma radio installer for Sense,
if I remember correctly, I think I flashed a radio while running SlimROM and the radio did not reset after reboot.
P.S. If you decide to do it, before hand, find a JTAG tech that has experience with it and can fix this problem, and post it here, please.
I'm still holding on to it in case I find such a person.
sns00 said:
To save you money, time and grief DONT DO IT.
Surely me and most everyone else is thankful that these guys spend time developing and tinkering but I screwed 2 One S,
that is when those disclaimers kick in, and I also looked, not exhaustively, for a skilled JTAG tech/user, the guy I sent it to
said he couldn't figure it out.
Maybe someone here can; most people that JTAG said that doing it to that phone is hard because it has to be taken apart.
Honestly, S-Off would make sense if its a new device to come in the market, as you have noticed, most ROMs and apps just
disappeared and the latest radio put together by someone in here is a 1.35.XX.XX. Since ROMs are limited, and most developers
dont even bother with this device just leave it alone. If flashing the radios is what you want, try the Aroma radio installer for Sense,
if I remember correctly, I think I flashed a radio while running SlimROM and the radio did not reset after reboot.
P.S. If you decide to do it, before hand, find a JTAG tech that has experience with it and can fix this problem, and post it here, please.
I'm still holding on to it in case I find such a person.
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OP is four month old ...
I never screwed up ANY HTC phone, because they are pretty nice to handle. If the phone fits the prerequisites S-OFF is easy to gain. That users screw their phones by wrong handling is not the dev's fault
Well, good for you:victory:. Since you know so much, why not show everyone else how to properly handle the device?
Did not mentioned methods/names, so I think I did not offended anyone. If software/hardware did not break, there wouldn't
be a disclaimer on the device and on the software.
That the post is 4 months old is irrelevant, we are not the only ones with One S. Next time provide a solution along with criticism.
If this post offended anyone in any way shape or form, complain to a moderator so my post can be erased.
LS.xD said:
OP is four month old ...
I never screwed up ANY HTC phone, because they are pretty nice to handle. If the phone fits the prerequisites S-OFF is easy to gain. That users screw their phones by wrong handling is not the dev's fault
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Well, good for you:victory:. Since you know so much, why not show everyone else how to properly handle the device?
Did not mentioned methods/names, so I think I did not offended anyone. If software/hardware did not break, there wouldn't
be a disclaimer on the device and on the software.
That the post is 4 months old is irrelevant, we are not the only ones with One S. Next time provide a solution along with criticism.
If this post offended anyone in any way shape or form, complain to a moderator so my post can be erased.
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I'm fine with your post I try to help in any case I can. Since today I "bricked" one Samsung phone by following a incorrect guide from another forum, cost me 40$ to repair the bootloader. But that can happen and its totally okay for me and I won't stop modding phones just because of it. For most users S-OFF works without any problem and grant a lot of benefits. So just because you screwed up two One S you can't tell other members to don't set their phone S-OFF as it will probably brick...
Dude, they will do whatever they want with their devices, regardless of what you , me or anyone say.
And the same way you can speak your piece, I can speak my piece, so do not tell me that I can't say this or that. If you don't like what others have to say, there's a number of things you could do instead of reading what I type.
Just sharing an experience that things can go wrong, as it just happened to you. S-Off'ing a phone is something I wouldn't pontificate to a regular user, because if things don't work out I'm not going to pay for a replacement or repair costs. That mod is a "at your own risk" as most other mods are. Do you realize we are a minority, a big chunk of the world don't even install themes on their devices, millions of locked bootloaders, billions of S-On devices and I had nothing to do with it; what are you going to do about that?
S-On works for me, so far, with my M8 GPe, I don't earn a living working with phones or anything related to it, I don't even know how to make a simple app, so what I post is not the gospel, as I assumed it is implied.
"For MOST users S-OFF works..." I rest my case.
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I'm fine with your post I try to help in any case I can. Since today I "bricked" one Samsung phone by following a incorrect guide from another forum, cost me 40$ to repair the bootloader. But that can happen and its totally okay for me and I won't stop modding phones just because of it. For most users S-OFF works without any problem and grant a lot of benefits. So just because you screwed up two One S you can't tell other members to don't set their phone S-OFF as it will probably brick...
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"For MOST users S-OFF works..."
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Most off the poeple, who set their HTC One S and other HTC devices S-OFF, still enjoy a working phone after this modification.
Better?
I just got one question left.
After you broke one HTC One S, why you did you risk doing (probably the same thing) again?