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WHAAAAT HTC trying to take down the iPhone!?
HTC has achieved somewhat of a moral victory when their May 2010 patent counter claim at the International Trade Commission against Apple was not laughed out of court.
The International Trade Commission said it would take up the investigation, which has to do with "certain portable devices and related software."
HTC claims Apple infringes 5 of their patents, and is asking the commission to ban the imports of key Apple mobile products into USA. Typically the ITC moves much faster than federal courts, and we could see the whole issue come to a head in only a few months.
HTC is responding to an earlier patent challenge involving 20 patents which Apple took to the ITC and the U.S. District Court in Delaware.
While the patents appeared mostly directed at HTC’s Android work, HTC has recently entered into a licensing agreement with Microsoft which ironically may provide some protection for their Android products.
So really what HTC is saying is: "WE ARE NOT! going to let you walk all over us" because suing... is a game of 2.
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Oh thank God someone has the balls. It's probably too much to hope that Apple's new iPhone gets delayed, or even better...recalled...lolol.
Could you imagine the look on the poor schmucks face at the moment he goes to get his shiny new POS iPhone rung up and the clerk goes, "Whoops, sorry buddy, but I can't sell you this!". Will there be a black market for iPhones?
Again, if only if only...it's just too much to hope.
~Jasecloud4
lol I don't want to rain on anybody's parade through Cupertino, but this is actually fairly standard practice in patent law (and other types as well)...this countersuit is HTC's way of saying "No, we're not going to settle, and we're fully prepared to go 9 rounds with you over this". Companies often do this as a way to strengthen their legal position when defending against the original claims. i.e. "not only are we not infringing on your patents, you are infringing on ours!"
So, yes it's a good sign that HTC has chosen this route vs copping to a quick settlement or licensing terms...but it's not exactly groundbreaking either.
I know, but sometimes lawsuits can have unexpected results. Maybe I just hate Apple a little too much, but massive recalls, psychotic hysteria on the part of Apple users at the loss of their iPhones, and an overall general anger at Steve Jobs is a small part of dream I have lolol...
I think this was posted a while back on Engadget. Anyhow, this is a good thing. It shows how far HTC has come.
It's unlikely that Apple will lose the case, but I'm certain that HTC can get them to drop the bull****.
Patents in the US are so horribly executed.
jasecloud4 said:
I know, but sometimes lawsuits can have unexpected results. Maybe I just hate Apple a little too much, but massive recalls, psychotic hysteria on the part of Apple users at the loss of their iPhones, and an overall general anger at Steve Jobs is a small part of dream I have lolol...
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LOL yes I admit that's a damn funny vision
PoisonWolf said:
Patents in the US are so horribly executed.
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Amen! There's companies that make more off of their patent portfolios than from any actual prodcut or service they sell, and it's worse in the IP sector than anywhere.
Dude the only reason I hate apple is because they think they OWN YOU I mean think about it steve jobs iPhone is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than HTC.
HTC says you need a phone that gets you and apple says YOU NEED THIS phone just because we are apple.
I hate that! its like monopoly all over again! ITS ABOUT DAM TIME SOME ONE STEP UP TO THEM!
even if HTC won, apple wouldn't be made to recall the product. They can't, once its sold it's sold (unless its an app from the app store, or a book on the amazon reader thingy where they can just delete it, of course, hehe, and even then, most lawyers agree that would be technically unlawful))
You, the buyer cannot be penalised for the sellers law breaking/mistakes. There won't and never will be a forced recall in these cases.
no they wont recall the phones yet they will spend millions rectifying software on the iPhone in order to step outside of infringements which is good enough for me as Apple are self obsessed wan**rs in my personal experience buying Apple products quickly reflects upon your own personality too,
HTC in my opinion are just flexing their Muscles that they have acquired by taking some microsoft steroids but in all fairness it is about time Apple get slapped in the face - maybe this will make them realise they cant do what they want
i love legal battles between companies especially smaller vs bigger, and in this case the smaller will probably win =]
I'm so happy this took a strange turn. HTC should have a voice... they have been producing touch screen phones far longing than apple. i think HTC knows they screwed up leaving Microsoft in charge from developing state of the art touch technology. i don't think its right for one company to with hold such a standard feature. Its like Intel saying they patented the computer's cpu and chipset, and motherboard, so anyone else following this directly be sued. also suing for monetary is lame, but suing to peace is acceptable in my book. everyone wins (besides neither will ever win the war, but rather pay to win one expensive battle, which are crippling fees to lawyers and officials who decide their fate. Since they both bring in lots of cash flow, this system wont allow this monopoly to happen) In the end they'll just compete with technology, which as a consumer we get the best technologies for the lowest price point (currently apple wants to put that hurting on consumers wallets.
Apple is afraid. it has been confirmed that T Mobile USA will launch apple product next month in July. Apple has expanded its market in despite of android replacing the popular growth of Blackberry users. Now apple wants a piece of that market, and they have agreed to jump into other markets to obtain that. apparently At&t can only pay for a timed launch for a product and can not force another company to deal directly with them, unless of course they purchase that company out...
This has been on the HTC website for some time now. I'm surprised nobody made a thread about this sooner....
Just released Today. Repost from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1135896
I figured it get more exposure here than there.
Apple's newly awarded patent gives it ownership of the capacitive multitouch interface, spelling big trouble for rival smartphone makers, say patent experts.
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"Apple could conceivably restrict makers of touchscreen smartphones, tablets, and other mobile devices from selling their products in the U.S. More likely is that Apple would reach a settlement with such competitors and start licensing its patented technology for a tidy new income stream.
If Apple does decide to play hardball and squeeze out rivals rather than set up cross-licenses, the source said, it's entirely possible that a court could find it in the public interest to scrap the patent rather than allow a monopoly on what has become a defining interface for an entire category of consumer devices."
Here is The Patent:
This changes everything. Now Apple can rest peacefully about it's continued existence in the face of Android's dominance in the smartphone market. Apple can require Google to license it's multi-touch tech and possibly throttle Android's dominance.
Wow apple... Yet another low blow to the Android community, how can they patent the idea of multiple inputs on a touch screen?
That's like putting a patent on fire...
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I'm gonna patent keyboards, then y'all be really screwed
NewZJ said:
I'm gonna patent keyboards, then y'all be really screwed
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haha for real huh? With this patent and the iPhone 5 coming out i guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.
How can you patent something that already exists elsewhere?
PharmCAT said:
How can you patent something that already exists elsewhere?
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It didn't exist when Apple applied for the patent. 3 years ago Apple started working on multi-touch display tech and it was unheard of until Apple revealed work on it. They just now got awarded the patent. It took 3 years of the the system to get to it.
This is really nothing new, companies do this all the time. In order to create x86 base cpu cores, AMD licenses out x86 and other instruction sets from Intel, Intel licenses out x64 instruction sets from AMD, and there are others to note.
If apple decides to sue everyone and becomes ridiculous and extremely lame, then it doesn't have to mean its the end of the world.. who knows, maybe someone such as htc will design a new line of touch screens that are superior to capacitive touch
Now is it for multi touch displays in general, or is it for like 2 finger touch or something like that?
Edit-It looks like it's for 2 finger touch, N and M being the amount of fingers. To get out of the license fee, they could try to use displays that use more than 2 fingers if the licensing fee is too much.
wow. Putting patent on multi touch screen is like Toyota (other auto maker) patenting number of tires on cars.
Sounds about right. I just hope this doesn't mean a price hike for non-Apple consumers. And I especially hope this doesn't somehow allow them to monopolize the touchscreen market.
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I know this sounds awful for us android users but it could be the greatest thing. With phone makers not allowed to use capaacitive screens, this almost forces them to use Surface Wave (SAW) screens. They also allow multi touch but are completely different. If you look them up they seem even better than capactive screens. They were considered unpracticle for phones because they were not resisitant to dust/water/dirt (meaning this stuff would just linger on the screen). But some phone makers have succesfully made covers, per say, for these that completely wipes out this problem. One major advantage is that they are scratch resistant and completely finger print resisitant. Also, while capacative screens only let through about 85% of the light, these screens let through about 92% on the low end. Some high-end screens have even let through 98%. This allows for theses screens to have the absolute best display/resolution. Look here to see the great specs.
http://www.softtouch.co.in/saw.htm
e334 said:
If apple decides to sue everyone and becomes ridiculous and extremely lame, then it doesn't have to mean its the end of the world.. who knows, maybe someone such as htc will design a new line of touch screens that are superior to capacitive touch
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Kind of like how some Japanese companies are investing in alternatives to rare earth minerals which the Chinese are considering restricting. There's always a way around an obstacle. HTC, the best phone maker in the world, will no doubt have an alternative to capacitive displays. It might be a few pennies more expensive than current displays, but would certainly allow the industry to continue on.
<insert your favorite lawyer joke here>
One day you will come to realize the scope of this idiocy and then you might even want to kick all the lawyer's asses, but it might be too late already. The rest of the world will be speaking Chinese.
P.S.
MartyLK said:
It didn't exist when Apple applied for the patent. 3 years ago Apple started working on multi-touch display tech and it was unheard of until Apple revealed work on it. They just now got awarded the patent. It took 3 years of the the system to get to it.
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Extreme BS. http://cs.nyu.edu/~jhan/ftirtouch/
If you can't beat the competition, buy/patent it.
Microsoft Surface anyone?
They had the first prototype back in 2003.
I wonder how their patent differs...
Sometimes I wish I was a hitman. Id eliminate the idiots allowing these patents..
#FlameBait
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xaccers said:
Microsoft Surface anyone?
They had the first prototype back in 2003.
I wonder how their patent differs...
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Almost all these new patents are absolutely not new. The problem being the FUBARed U.S. patent system. In a sane system, you do no grant patents without any review like USPTO and do not tell the competitors "go sue them in case you have objections". (Will rather non commment the SW patents nonsense.)
Not to mention, that the language has become completely incomprehensible in order to obscure the nature and scope of the "patent" as much as possible for future patent racketeering purposes.
Just another example (probably, at least, though I'm not certain) of the patent and copyright systems running amok.
This better not put a major dent in the Android market. Hopefully at worst it'll force Android phones to become even more competitive.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...s-4g-dr/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
---"if this thing holds, and it's determined that the aforesaid products may well indeed be infringing on Apple's rights, Sammy could be forced to yank those products from US shelves within a couple of months."---
Wanted to give a heads up for those thinking about getting the infuse that you might have to get it soon. Damn I hate patent wars like this. I hope apple loses... hard
if apple wants to sue samsung over the look and function of the tw launcher app drawer as it is similar to the ios home screen they may as well sue lg for stealing samsungs look as well. apple has been stealing form and function from other companies from day one, the only reason it is an issue for apple is that samsung makes popular devices.
Apple's ripping off Android's swipe down notifications too. Then they have the nerve to say that Samsung is ripping them off. Funny how hypocrisy works...
Man, I was just about to post this. Its completely ridiculous. I hope apple loses hard as well.
has anyone seen apple's keynote for ios5? nearly 8 of their 10 "new" features are ripped from android. features that google has had for a few years now..
samsung is a much bigger company than apple. apple only has there marketing and public image. this wont hurt samsung one bit. on the other hand if google gets involved and if samsung wins the 20 some odd pattent infringments in cell technology that they are suing apple over then apple could be crushed pretty hard.
this is apples business strategy. steal all the great i deas they can and portray an image that the opposite is happening. they have been doing this as long as they have been in business. everything from there aesthetics to the technology in there products to there os's take advantage of the better ideas out there that already existed while they put a stupid half eaten apple on it and tell the world they are inovators.
Hi,
the Microsoft-Android is an hot topic since a while, MS is getting money from Android devices,
but according to many sites the infringed patents is unknown:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...veloper-pays-microsoft-patent-royalties/11062
http://www.phonearena.com/news/_id32090
On another site I read that the 4.1 update should remove some patented code from the system:
http://nvonews.com/2012/07/07/galaxy-nexus-ban-update-to-android-4-1-jelly-bean-may-help-avoid-ban/
and I have noticed that in Android 4.1 the X button to clear all the notifications is replaced with three dashes (picture attached)
and I remember Microsoft to register a patent about something like "showing alternate data when pressed an X button":
http://badpatents.blogspot.it/2011/05/pop-up-window.html
Maybe this is the case why Google changed the X button?
Cheers,
Matteo
Its probably a stupid generic patent like the many Apple has, but at least Microsoft charged a bit for royalties instead of trying to ban products outright. It gives the impression that they were trying to protect their patent against possible infringement instead of trying to halt competition which seems to be Apple's agenda.
I really hate this patent war. I agree that you can't infringe someone's registered patent but when they patent every little things, I think it's just to kill other competitors. Just imagine if the gaming industry started a patent war. Activision is gonna sue the $H!T out of everybody for using regenerating health in FPS.
Joel5121 said:
I really hate this patent war. I agree that you can't infringe someone's registered patent but when they patent every little things, I think it's just to kill other competitors. Just imagine if the gaming industry started a patent war. Activision is gonna sue the $H!T out of everybody for using regenerating health in FPS.
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I know, I always look to the car industry as every brand has similar designs yet its a mature industry so there aren't any lawsuits in the news. Patenting the x button (a very basic part of the GUI window system) would be like a car company patenting the car door handle.
I understand there a few topics about the court cases including Apple and Samsung, but I wanted to point something out that I thought funny/satisfying.
Edit: I realize this is more of a rant. Sorry!
Ever since the first court case when Apple sued, I had an anger in me. Solely because Apple has been claiming that Samsung couldn't have progressed to where the company has today if it weren't for the fact that they "stole" the iPhone design. I have a couple of things to say to that.
1) As for the design, I can't possibly see how another phone can get in trouble for "copying" the iPhone. Something as simple as a black, rectangular phone with a single button could not be copied unless the company specifically AIMED to replicate the iPhone, and I doubt that is the case with Samsung.
2) About 25% of the components in the iPhone are supplied by Samsung... Lol
3, The satisfying piece of news) Somewhat old news, but for those of you who missed it, Samsung wanted to submit a document as court evidence to battle the accusation of "copying the iPhone", but for an unknown reason, it was declined. Despite being declined, Samsungs legal team went against the order of the judge, and ended up publishing the document publicly. What was the document? A document showing the design for a PRE-iPHONE device, that actually, does look very, very similar to the iPhone. In fact, SEVERAL devices resembling an iPhone, all of them designed in 2006, before the iPhone release.
I love this. Not so much because I'm an android fanboy, but more so because I DESPISE Apple (That's another discussion in itself). These documents are like saying F you to Apple...
I wish I can link you guys to the articles and pictures, but my account is relatively new. Please do the research (if you'd like) and look at the pictures yourselves if you haven't! Search "allthingsd samsung goes public" on Google and click the first link.
TL;DR - Samsung f**ks over Apple
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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Lol. Well although I do like Samsung, and not so much Motorola, although they do make good phones. Just wanted to exemplify the fact
that the satisfaction came from my hatred towards Apple, not the love towards Samsung.
TL;DR - I hate Apple.
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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Did you really think?
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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Psch, motorola makes good hardware maybe. Their software is crap. Ever heard of anyone actually saying 'Yeah I think I'd like motoblur on my phone!' Yeah me neither. Samsung has got software down and their CPU/GPU is always ahead of the game. Both are better than apple though, lets agree on that.
PepperGardener said:
Samsung cant makes phones to save themselves
Motorola ftw!
Tl,dr samsung may have won but its not over
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LOL. yeah rite xD
Thank God it's not just me
I was thinking about commenting on Motoblur, but I decided to not stray away from the topic... even though we apparently have. (But that's okay)
I'm glad I'm not alone, never really thought I was though, and yes I agree totally. Apple can suck it
Personally i think samsungs ui does look too much like the apple ui. Look at the uk case where the judge ruled that on first impression they do look similar but that after using both he decided overall the experience was different. Apples main argument is that the first impression people have is that they look the same. To be honest I actually agree this point. Samsung haven't done enough to look unique.
This is the only point I agree apple have a case with, i think most of their cases are stupidly overblown to the pont of appearing petty. The actual patents that apple are trying to claim are to me not generally what i would term innovative enough to warrant being patentable inventions. I think this should be handled as a copyright case not a patent case.
One of the things people fail to mention is samsungs allegations that apple are infringing their patents. The samsung patents to me seem much more valid than the fluff apple are claiming as patents. If apple expect companies to accept their patents they should respect the patents of others.
Theres no mystery as to why the evidence was rejected. The judge had given a time that evidence should be submitted by, samsung tried to submit it too late. Theres nothing sinister the judge had set rules that had to be followed.
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What annoys me is the fact its a mobile phone, there isnt a lot that you can change to make a touch screen phone look loads different from another. They are basically all the same shape, they all have an ear piece which has to be at the top and buttons have to be at the bottom. As for the look of the ui same goes, a desktop on a computer is basically the same, most used apps at the bottom just like quick launch on PC then other apps spaced evenly on the rest of the screen. With apps been available on iOS and android then that makes them look more alike. Its all bs and apple piss me off.
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How can anyone love or hate pieces of black plastic or companies producing them, it always amazed me. Use your feelings towards some things worthy of it. Anyway, Nokia was the first in the late 90s with some proto smartphones with touch screens. They completely screwed it and that's a shame.
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