Fault battery? Another frustration. - Galaxy S 4 General

After we accepted the fate of our so-called flagship device having unfinished processor, overheating, smearing and all the other things we've managed to live with, another "fun" surprise is revealed.
During the last week I experienced at least once a day forced restart of my device, and going up with 0% battery.
At first 2 days it occured when I was on about 10-20% power, bat afterwards even on high percentage.
While thinking I'm the only one, I've seen a similar report on an Israeli forum,
and later the report on SamMobile
Galaxy S4 batteries having issues like swelling and reduced charge holding capacity
It’s been only six months since the Galaxy S4 was launched, but it looks like many users are already having issues with the device’s battery. German site MobiFlip cites a trusted source working at an operator as saying that they are currently getting a lot of support requests for the battery. Apparently, as many 30 percent of Galaxy S4′s that were sold are experiencing issues with the battery, such as swelling and inability to hold a charge for long.
Batteries showing reduced performance is a normal occurrence, but that usually happens after a device has been used for more than a year or so. Thanks to the removable back plate, users can easily exchange the faulty battery for a new one, but they shouldn’t need to be doing this just six months after buying a brand new phone. The issue seems to be limited to only one country for now, so it’s possibly a case of poor quality assurance on a particular batch of batteries, but it’s something Samsung nonetheless needs to look into.
Any of you having the same issues with the battery on the Galaxy S4?
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and AndroidBeat
Samsung Galaxy S4 batteries are starting to kick the bucket, failure rate as high as 30%
Announced in March, and then put on the market in April, Samsung’s flagship smartphone, the Galaxy S4, has been out for a solid six months. According to the German publication MobiFlip, one of their “trusted sources” who works at an operator says that they’re experiencing a flood of support requests for the device’s battery. Apparently as many as 30% of Galaxy S4 units that were sold are either experiencing batteries that are dramatically losing their capacity to hold a charge, or even worse, the batteries are swelling.
There are two obvious statements to make here. First, Samsung couldn’t have predicted this with the type of testing they do since the problem seemed to only manifest itself after half a year. Second, if Samsung wants to prove themselves as being a company that cares, they should immediately put up a website where anyone, anywhere, can simply type in their address and have a battery sent to them free of charge. Yes, some people will abuse the system, but the good PR will outweigh the costs associated with pumping out a few extra batteries at the factory.
Is this embarrassing? Well, for now this appears to be a problem limited to one country, which makes me think that Samsung simply shipped a bad batch of batteries. This has happened to nearly every tech company, including Sony, Dell, and even Apple, though admittedly those defective batteries were in laptops, not smartphones.
Anyway, this will be fun to watch.
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Note : Device is GT-I9500. I am using latest Wanam based MH1 rom, with stock kernel, no mods besides Xposed module with the Wanam-Xposed app.
Someone else would like to share their experience on the subject ? Other versions of the phone having the same issue ?
Or perhaps it's not battery-related at all ?

30% of All galaxy s4 are faulty
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Yep.
Numerous reports of faulty batteries and loss of signal.
Probably another problem on the motherboard...

Nocturney said:
After we accepted the fate of our so-called flagship device having unfinished processor, overheating, smearing and all the other things we've managed to live with, another "fun" surprise is revealed.
During the last week I experienced at least once a day forced restart of my device, and going up with 0% battery.
At first 2 days it occured when I was on about 10-20% power, bat afterwards even on high percentage.
While thinking I'm the only one, I've seen a similar report on an Israeli forum,
and later the report on SamMobile
and AndroidBeat
Note : Device is GT-I9500. I am using latest Wanam based MH1 rom, with stock kernel, no mods besides Xposed module with the Wanam-Xposed app.
Someone else would like to share their experience on the subject ? Other versions of the phone having the same issue ?
Or perhaps it's not battery-related at all ?
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I had also swollen battery problem it was batch starting with S/N BD .what is your sn starting with
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olimjon said:
I had also swollen battery problem it was batch starting with S/N BD .what is your sn starting with
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You're right, mine is also starting with BD

How do you check the batch
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Seems that a lot of S4 are involved in that problem. Both Versions are hit, (I9500 and I9505) didn't know if the carrier models have the same battery.
Hopefully this is only a battery fault.
Here in Germany (9505) a lot of people have this issue.
30% I read also about.
Symptoms:
- Phone just powered off.
- Can't boot completely without charger connected.
- Battery level jumps
- Connection losts (consuming higher energy, faulty battery can't supply)
Call Samsung or Carrier to obtain replacement battery, in Germany Samsung Support is aware of this issue
Defected battery can catch fire while discharging, so cover contacts of the faulty battery with some kind of tape.
In Germany Samsung Support charge you to send back the defective battery, DHL (one of the biggest logistics here) did not allow sending defective lithium ion battery on the postal way. So I bring it to a big electronic discounter for a proper disposal.
Mfg
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I think my batch number is B600BE it's the code above the S/N code. This is my new battery. Will check the old one tomorrow

milan188 said:
I think my batch number is B600BE it's the code above the S/N code. This is my new battery. Will check the old one tomorrow
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That's not batch it's model look at your S/N number if it's starting with BD then you have faulty battery.All of people who have battery problems have S/N starting with BD
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My new one starts with YS1
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Same here. Bd battery got swollen and started behaving as thread creators battery.
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It is quite outrageous to release a phone with about 6 months of battery life.
I've read on some comments on the SamMobile post about the issue, that some countries refuse to change the battery claiming it is user-related damage.
I believe it will take a while until Samsung will officially and globally admit the problem before they will start replacing batteries for every costumer complaining about battery life or performance. Remember it took a while with the damaged eMMC chip on their former flagship.

I've the same problem in my battery, and yeah I checked it's S/N and found it starting with BD. My brother has the same phone but his battery is working fine and it's S/N starts with AA. So yes, I guess the problem is in the batteries which start with BD.

AkramSheiar said:
I've the same problem in my battery, and yeah I checked it's S/N and found it starting with BD. My brother has the same phone but his battery is working fine and it's S/N starts with AA. So yes, I guess the problem is in the batteries which start with BD.
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My battery S/N is also AA. Zero problems. It didn't swell and it performances great. I have the i9505 with stock 4.2.2 firmware (XXUDMHB). No root.

I had this problem about month and a half ago. Suddenly battery went flat. Would not boot up unless plugged into a charger, wouldn't charge, kept rebooting and shutting off when using simple things like YouTube. Sent it in for repair but o2 didn't state what was repaired. Anyways perhaps they put in a new battery but no issues since. Using the Anker battery and that's been great for me.
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Same problem here with Chinese BD series battery. It also ruined my display, now it's curved in the battery zone:
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Same problem here with Chinese BD series battery. It also ruined my display, now it's curved in the battery zone:
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Omg, that's horrible.. for one moment I thought my screen might get curved too but I told myself "NO WAY", now I see yours curved :s
Did you let the swollen battery inside your phone for a long time?

Exactly as described - phone shuts down around 30%, cannot be turned on back without charger plugged in, front screen is slightly bent (pushed up) by swollen battery. So far, when I'll remove the battery, it returns to the original shape, but... but I wrote to Samsung - let's see if they will send me the replacement battery before I'll claim the screen damage caused by faulty equipment.
for any SAMSUNG manager/employee:
It is common term that your most recent phone (SGS3, now SGS4) is called flagship. Having in mind common issues like emmc, motherboard, battery, I have a tiny suggestion for you: Maybe, the Samsung company would promote use of the word: TITANIC, instead of FLAGSHIP? sounds far more appropriate, considering the quality of your last products.
30% of the faulty batteries? Really?

spamtrash said:
Exactly as described - phone shuts down around 30%, cannot be turned on back without charger plugged in, front screen is slightly bent (pushed up) by swollen battery. So far, when I'll remove the battery, it returns to the original shape, but... but I wrote to Samsung - let's see if they will send me the replacement battery before I'll claim the screen damage caused by faulty equipment.
for any SAMSUNG manager/employee:
It is common term that your most recent phone (SGS3, now SGS4) is called flagship. Having in mind common issues like emmc, motherboard, battery, I have a tiny suggestion for you: Maybe, the Samsung company would promote use of the word: TITANIC, instead of FLAGSHIP? sounds far more appropriate, considering the quality of your last products.
30% of the faulty batteries? Really?
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That's exactly what happened to my screen, when I removed the swollen battery it became normal again, but I dunno if it's 100% normal and no internal damage. So, I just wanna be sure that everything is normal inside and the screen is back flat again, because if the screen is 1% bent, i'll claim for another device as I still have my warranty.

AkramSheiar said:
Omg, that's horrible.. for one moment I thought my screen might get curved too but I told myself "NO WAY", now I see yours curved :s
Did you let the swollen battery inside your phone for a long time?
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Yes, for the reason Samsung care told me that until my phone does not have symptoms I can't take it back for warranty.

Related

Another MT4GS battery thread

So today I was charging my phone after a little over 7 hours use and it simply jumped to 99% from 24%.
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I just calibrated my battery like a week or so ago so I'm beginning to think that my battery(stock) is broken. Just ordered an Anker to replace it.
Could this be caused by charging from different chargers/sources(like standard htc charger then via usb and or another device's charger)?
Does the battery usage section report the battery usage acurately? Because I think mine doesn't, whether or not my device stays with screen of for a fair time of the time between charges/brightness at zero it still reports screen using the most power
Edit: On PyroICs 1.1.0
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You can absolutely damage the battery by using blackberry chargeres, or ones that deviate too far from 5v-1a.
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You can absolutely damage the battery by using blackberry chargeres, or ones that deviate too far from 5v-1a.
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Not charged my phone with a blackberry charger. Just a Samsung galaxy mini's charger and a Huawei IDEOS charger. The only other power source I've used is USB power from my laptop when I'm on the go.
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The OEM battery is known to have terrible life. You're better off with either a Mugen or the Anker two-pack.
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The OEM battery is known to have terrible life. You're better off with either a Mugen or the Anker two-pack.
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Getting an Anker. Ordered today after the battery gave me the graph in OP.I hope it will be less erratic
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cybot_x1024 said:
Getting an Anker. Ordered today after the battery gave me the graph in OP.I hope it will be less erratic
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I have both the 3600mAh Mugen and the 1800mAh Anker two-pack. Both are great. I recommend the Mugen if you can afford it.
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I have both the 3600mAh Mugen and the 1800mAh Anker two-pack. Both are great. I recommend the Mugen if you can afford it.
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I already have a hard rubberised case for my phone and am not too sure the 3600mAh battery bulge will agree with it, both practically and aesthetically.
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I already have a hard rubberised case for my phone and am not too sure the 3600mAh battery bulge will agree with it, both practically and aesthetically.
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Aye that's something to watch out for. Maybe go with the Anker and if your still not satisfied, look into a Muugen 18 or 36
Just my spare change.
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You can absolutely damage the battery by using blackberry chargeres, or ones that deviate too far from 5v-1a.
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No blue, I'm going to have to call you on this one. No damage that I can see. Been charging my old G2 with a BB charger for at least the past 4 months. No problems at all.
you'll see it sooner or later, you are wearing out the cells inside it - they weren't made to take that kind of stress.
When i'm not getting ready for work i'll dig up some info on why specifically.
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you'll see it sooner or later, you are wearing out the cells inside it - they weren't made to take that kind of stress.
When i'm not getting ready for work i'll dig up some info on why specifically.
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Blue i would say your wrong aswell i used a BB charger form my old Mytouch 4g for about 11 months and my battery still functioned properly as was lasting its standered period of time like always.
What's unique about the BB charger anyway?
I noticed some time back on a previous device I had(ZTE Blade) it would disable the touch digitiser as soon as you plugged it in, though it would still charge the device.
Is it something to do with the way its earthed?
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I've used a BB charger on both my G2 and my MT4GS and both batteries still work as good as they should.
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Blue i would say your wrong aswell i used a BB charger form my old Mytouch 4g for about 11 months and my battery still functioned properly as was lasting its standered period of time like always.
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I've used a BB charger on both my G2 and my MT4GS and both batteries still work as good as they should.
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...and I think someone else posted in this thread about using a BB charger and it being fine over time.
I don't care about being wrong on a personal level, no ego or anything like that - i'd rather be corrected if i'm wrong so I don't spread misinformation. So far that's at least two people (quoted from this page, didn't dig further back into the thread - cumbersome to do on the device over lunch through the browser)
So that's some people providing information based on their direct observations, it's up to me or anyone else who has supporting info to provide it to show why trickle-charging at low amperage is bad for the cells in the battery.
Just 'cause it works and you get away with it without the appearance of issues doesn't mean it's good for it or not doing damage.
I once drove my Bronco a little over 300 miles round-trip to camping in the mountains at a remote site. It was carrying all of our gear and the people were riding in other vehicles, and the Bronco was overloaded (by a lot). I only had 2 cylinders out of 8 working, the sparks were shot in the other 6. 3 were down before the trip started, didn't have a chance to change them, and at one point early in the drive I came to a quick stop on the highway from fast to nothing and flooded the engine, causing 3 more spark plugs to stop working (shoulda seen them when I changed them after I got back - 2 were outright broken lol)
The Bronco still pulled it's weight and got us there, was able to keep up and was 4-wheeling off road and lots of fun. Obviously not good for the engine, tranny etc... but it did it, and without any issues.
I've got just over 1600 logged rounds through my Glock since the last time I cleaned it (intentionally - glock is supposed to be reliable and it's a torture test i'm putting it through to see how many rounds between cleaning before a misfire)
Obviously in both cases the manufacturers don't recommend doing what i'm doing. It should be pretty plain the objects spoke about were/are being abused. Yet they function/functioned just as well as if they were being cared for properly.
The abuse of the cells in the batteries is no different then the two situations I described above. They are not designed to be charged at that trickle rate, and doing so stressed the individual cells in the batteries.
I don't have links to cite technical specifics, and i'll have to go out of my way to track down the information to put here to explain why on the technical level. I don't know how soon that may be, but it's important for us to lay this to rest one way or another.
I'd love nothing more then for the information i've put together about lithium-ion batteries over the course of my electronics education to be proved wrong due to new developments in battery technology/tolerances and that you can in fact use something like a BB charger to charge them, but it flies in the face of all I know about proper care of the cells in the batteries themselves so...
Blue is an interesting character, I must say lol...
Either way, I'll take your word for it. You probably know better than me regardless. I was just saying I saw no apparent damage. But then again this damage doesn't need to be apparent.
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I'd love nothing more then for the information i've put together about lithium-ion batteries over the course of my electronics education to be proved wrong due to new developments in battery technology/tolerances and that you can in fact use something like a BB charger to charge them, but it flies in the face of all I know about proper care of the cells in the batteries themselves so...
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always nice to get what you love!
seems as if the important thing is not input current, but ensuring that the battery is not 'overcharged'.
Charge currents with Li-ion are less critical and can vary widely. Any charge will do, including energy from a renewable resource such as a solar panel or wind turbine. Charge absorption is very high and with a low and intermittent charge, charging simply takes a little longer without negatively affecting the battery. The absence of trickle charge further helps simplify the charger.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Blue is awesome! The stories are greatness.
I also have used my bb charger on my g2 and this phone with no problems. I did eventually have a probelm charger the g2 but it was something wrong where the charfger was actually connecting. You would have to hold the phone a seperate way.. had another g2 that was fine before that one though, until I fell on it. 280 pounds > g2
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Just got an anker battery for it. Will do afew full charge and drain then post results
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Anybody else notice that the last 10% or so of the Anker drops like a stone?
Blue6IX said:
I've got just over 1600 logged rounds through my Glock since the last time I cleaned it (intentionally - glock is supposed to be reliable and it's a torture test i'm putting it through to see how many rounds between cleaning before a misfire)
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Super OT I know but,
Check out Chuck Taylor's super high round count Glock 17. A million or so rounds through it. Insane. I used to have a Glock Armorer's certification back when I was the Police. Glocks are extremely durable and reliable pistols. The caveat I'll pass on is shoot no unjacketed lead, only jacketed bullets. Too many rounds with Pb and no cleaning can have you eating bits of your chamber... It is hard to write kernel code without the use of your fingers and eyes.
Hastily spouted for your befuddlement.

S3 2300mAh Battery

I just wanted to share the deal I found on a spare battery with 200 extra mAh. I would imagine that this does not have the NFC chip, but I wasn't too concerned with that as of yet since I don't use any tags yet anyway. I spent a little over $3.00 with shipping for one battery. I figured even if it was garbage, I'm not out much money.
http://www.ahappydeal.com/product-86003.html
Update:
Received this battery today. It was at 68% when I put it in this morning. So far, so good. I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary, like excessive heat.
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Let us know how it is. Thanks!
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is it safe to use I9300 battery on our device?
Even the real one that costs $44 does not have great reviews. Will also lose NFC capability that the $44 one has. Should be ok for backup if does not explode in phone.
Fishy.... very fishy... also curious to see how this pans out.
"$3.00 with shipping for one battery" = guaranteed junk
I was given one of these exact looking batteries (can't be sure of brand/manufacturer as they're un-branded but they certainly have the same sticker from the looks of the picture) and thought "what the hell... it's free" and started using it. Less than 3 days in and I noticed my phone getting warmer than usual. Didn't think anything of it, thought it might have been just from me using the phone more. About 5 days into using it the phone started getting REALLY hot when charging. Next thing I knew, while charging the phone, the edge of the battery cover "popped" and was pushed out so it unlatched from the phone. You guessed it, the battery was swollen and HOT to the touch. Hot enough where I couldn't hold it bare handed for very long. Unplugged it immediately, placed it in a heat/fire proof container to let it cool down, but it kept swelling for the next 5 mins to the point where it won't fit in the phone any longer. (Not that I tried, but from the looks of the deformation there is no way it would fit in the battery compartment.)
As they say, you get what you pay for. Why risk saving ~$30 when it can damage/ruin your ~$500 phone! Worst yet, why risk it for bodily harm to yourself or your loved ones?!! (Perhaps this can be a covert way to dispose of/harm your mortal enemies and blame it on faulty junk electronics... hmm...) I'm fairly certain that if I had kept charging the battery there would have been a very likely case of it starting a fire as it was on top of a paper book on my night stand while charging. I can't imagine how horrible I would feel if MY phone had started a fire that ended up hurting or killing someone in the process...
Moral of the story - yes, you might get a battery that works well for you and I'm sure many people have, but why risk it?? My suggestion - STAY AWAY! STAY FAR FAR AWAY!
I actually bought this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330768545772
supposedly 2900mah
comes with 3 batteries and a charger
Now my word of warning: I have used these china batteries before for my other smartphones. They never gave me an issue of overheating or anything like that, but dont believe the power ratings they have. it is NOT 2900mah. Its probably more like 1800mah
I keep them charged and use them in case my phone dies and I have to have a phone right away. I dont use them as my normal day to day battery.
I got two Anker batteries for $15.00. I usually only need to resort to using one of them each week, but I always have a second if needed. I believe for a few more dollars you can get an external battery charger. That takes care of the charging problem.
How about two batteries and a charger from hyperion for $20. I believe this to be a fairly reputable brand. It can be found on Amazon if you search for hyperion. Sorry, it appears I am not cool enough to post links yet.
daverave13 said:
How about two batteries and a charger from hyperion for $20. I believe this to be a fairly reputable brand. It can be found on Amazon if you search for hyperion. Sorry, it appears I am not cool enough to post links yet.
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Kind of seems like all their positive reviews are fake.
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Kind of seems like all their positive reviews are fake.
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I can vouch for them. Tested several batteries and it does have longer battery life than OEM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1843896
Haven't tested the Anker 2200 yet so I cant say for sure which battery is the best.
I might be looking into picking one up but am leaning towards an external one.
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I was given one of these exact looking batteries (can't be sure of brand/manufacturer as they're un-branded but they certainly have the same sticker from the looks of the picture) and thought "what the hell... it's free" and started using it. Less than 3 days in and I noticed my phone getting warmer than usual. Didn't think anything of it, thought it might have been just from me using the phone more. About 5 days into using it the phone started getting REALLY hot when charging. Next thing I knew, while charging the phone, the edge of the battery cover "popped" and was pushed out so it unlatched from the phone. You guessed it, the battery was swollen and HOT to the touch. Hot enough where I couldn't hold it bare handed for very long. Unplugged it immediately, placed it in a heat/fire proof container to let it cool down, but it kept swelling for the next 5 mins to the point where it won't fit in the phone any longer. (Not that I tried, but from the looks of the deformation there is no way it would fit in the battery compartment.)
As they say, you get what you pay for. Why risk saving ~$30 when it can damage/ruin your ~$500 phone! Worst yet, why risk it for bodily harm to yourself or your loved ones?!! (Perhaps this can be a covert way to dispose of/harm your mortal enemies and blame it on faulty junk electronics... hmm...) I'm fairly certain that if I had kept charging the battery there would have been a very likely case of it starting a fire as it was on top of a paper book on my night stand while charging. I can't imagine how horrible I would feel if MY phone had started a fire that ended up hurting or killing someone in the process...
Moral of the story - yes, you might get a battery that works well for you and I'm sure many people have, but why risk it?? My suggestion - STAY AWAY! STAY FAR FAR AWAY!
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Thanks for the heads up.
I realize that this battery most likely is not a good battery. For $3 it would certainly be a good emergency backup.
It hasn't been delivered yet, but I'll give an update once I'm able to try it.
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I use a seidio charge vault that was invaluable when I was on a work trip and started experiencing frequent hot boots on a previously fairly stable rom. Between trying to troubleshoot that and flashing to a backup I went through my battery pretty quick. It is also my go to travel charger.
Received this battery today. It was at 68% when I put it in this morning. So far, so good. I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary, like excessive heat.
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Source for replacement batteries?

Not seeing myself buying a new tablet any time soon but the battery eventually will force me to. Unless of course I can change out the battery. Anyone have recommendations?
There are two on Amazon. One of them has mixed reviews so probably going to avoid. The other costs twice as much and only has one review which seems suspicious
Hoping there are other sources we can get a spare battery from
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I saw some in ebay looks to be excellent quality
I bought one from eBay for £5.25 as my battery is nearly 2 year old but is still working OK, I told another Tab S1 owner who`s battery was dying, he ordered one and he said it looked genuine, the problem is he cracked his screen when trying to open his Tab S, he ordered a new screen but i have not heard back what the battery performance was like.
I bought a tool kit from China for like £2 so i am ready for when my battery dies
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Not seeing myself buying a new tablet any time soon but the battery eventually will force me to. Unless of course I can change out the battery. Anyone have recommendations?
There are two on Amazon. One of them has mixed reviews so probably going to avoid. The other costs twice as much and only has one review which seems suspicious
Hoping there are other sources we can get a spare battery from
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I recently replaced both my charging port and battery for my 10.5 in July, it is working better than ever.
I see you're running a 8.4 but the ebay listing I bought my battery from is still live for anyone coming into this thread looking for an answer pertaining to the 10.5 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/141932181009), it might be worth checking out if the same seller supplies 8.4 batteries.
Ok thanks guys. I'll give eBay a look and that seller
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I got my T800 battery from the eBay seller below for only £5.25 as i said in post 3, I have not tried it yet.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141991614986?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
John.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
I got my T800 battery from the eBay seller below for only £5.25 as i said in post 3, I have not tried it yet.
John.
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Please do... It would be very interesting to see if a 5£ battery is any good....It sounds to good to be truth...?
The 23 month old battery in my T800 is still going strong so i don't really want to bust it open just to see if the replacement one i bought is good.
John.
spritem8 said:
Please do... It would be very interesting to see if a 5£ battery is any good....It sounds to good to be truth...?
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
The 23 month old battery in my T800 is still going strong so i don't really want to bust it open just to see if the replacement one i bought is good.
John.
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Understood, just kidding. Amazing that your battery still is doing so well. Have you done something special to it, "settings wise"? Have you noticed any difference in battery usage with Marshmallow?
I don't game or use apps that get the battery hot, heat kills your battery, also 99% of the time i only charge to 80% and do not discharge below 20% every time you charge to 100% you damage your battery a little bit, it`s all cumulative.
I just watch video`s read ebooks and browse the internet, but keep away from apps/game that cause my battery to get hot in my tablet i cannot afford to replace it for a few years, that why i have a replacment battery ready to go.
I use my notebook for gaming also i have a android tv box on my 55" tv if i want to android game.
I have an HTC M7 (the worst phone in the world to replace the battery) that 3 years old and the battery is still good as new as far as i can tell, I use the same charge discharge settings as i do on my T800.
Most people will laugh at lengths i go to keep my battery`s in good condition, but i have read recently that Sony is introducing a battery save mode to their smart phones to do automatically what basically i have been doing manually for years.
John.
spritem8 said:
Understood, just kidding. Amazing that your battery still is doing so well. Have you done something special to it, "settings wise"? Have you noticed any difference in battery usage with Marshmallow?
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My original one was weakening only when using only 2hrs (not gaming) since I have bought it just 8 months. I claimed it with Samsung and now the second one seem to be weaken again (7 Months after that). Sony's battery is much better for me but I don't like its button which inside the screen.
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To me a more burning question is, where is the source of an affordable replacement headphone jack for the 10.5 model? A few months ago I dropped my Tab S, with headphone plugged in, and it hit the floor on the headphone plug. The headphone jack has sort of become loose. It still works, but I need to make sure I don't touch the headphone plug or wire when I use it. I just saw a speaker and headphone assembly sold on ebay for 35USD + 5USD shipping, which is ridiculous. Vendor, if you're reading this just keep dreaming on about charging 40USD for a headphone jack for a two year old tablet.
Akopps said:
To me a more burning question is, where is the source of an affordable replacement headphone jack for the 10.5 model? A few months ago I dropped my Tab S, with headphone plugged in, and it hit the floor on the headphone plug. The headphone jack has sort of become loose. It still works, but I need to make sure I don't touch the headphone plug or wire when I use it. I just saw a speaker and headphone assembly sold on ebay for 35USD + 5USD shipping, which is ridiculous. Vendor, if you're reading this just keep dreaming on about charging 40USD for a headphone jack for a two year old tablet.
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i think the jack come with other thing... but the price is ridiculous... only 9.95 at ifixit. but out of stock...
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Parts/Galaxy-Tab-S-10-5-Headphone-Jack-Assembly-/IF252-000
My Tab S 10.5 is also about 2 years old and my battery is still going strong, I have not done anything special with it and am running stock Marshmallow. I mainly use my Tab S to consume media, mostly TV watching on XFinity TV app and playing music to my BT speaker I keep in the bathroom when getting ready for work. I have the Best Buy 32 Gig version.
I recall having a Panasonic laptop which had software to stop the charge at 80%, when plugged in. Is there a similar software for android or specific to the Tab S?
Tinderbox (UK) said:
I don't game or use apps that get the battery hot, heat kills your battery, also 99% of the time i only charge to 80% and do not discharge below 20% every time you charge to 100% you damage your battery a little bit, it`s all cumulative.
I just watch video`s read ebooks and browse the internet, but keep away from apps/game that cause my battery to get hot in my tablet i cannot afford to replace it for a few years, that why i have a replacment battery ready to go.
I use my notebook for gaming also i have a android tv box on my 55" tv if i want to android game.
I have an HTC M7 (the worst phone in the world to replace the battery) that 3 years old and the battery is still good as new as far as i can tell, I use the same charge discharge settings as i do on my T800.
Most people will laugh at lengths i go to keep my battery`s in good condition, but i have read recently that Sony is introducing a battery save mode to their smart phones to do automatically what basically i have been doing manually for years.
John.
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Nothing automatic for the S1 to stop charging before 100% , I use GSam battery monitor to set an alarm at 80% so i can pull the power cable as soon as i hear it go off, I have only charged my T800 to 100% around 7 or 8 times and the battery is still great after 2 years of daily use.
I read a couple of weeks ago that Sony were going to add a battery save to their mobile phones if this is true?
Below is the free version of Gsam, I enable all the alarms for battery high, low or high temp or battery temp or battery voltage.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm&hl=en_GB
John.
discord said:
I recall having a Panasonic laptop which had software to stop the charge at 80%, when plugged in. Is there a similar software for android or specific to the Tab S?
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Currently, I use my tablet plugged in most of the time, so it would be useful if I could just stop the charging at 80% from software.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
Nothing automatic for the S1 to stop charging before 100% , I use GSam battery monitor to set an alarm at 80% so i can pull the power cable as soon as i hear it go off, I have only charged my T800 to 100% around 7 or 8 times and the battery is still great after 2 years of daily use.
I read a couple of weeks ago that Sony were going to add a battery save to their mobile phones if this is true?
Below is the free version of Gsam, I enable all the alarms for battery high, low or high temp or battery temp or battery voltage.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gsamlabs.bbm&hl=en_GB
John.
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Accubattery is also enabling an alarm at the charging rate you wish to stop. It is also providing informations regarding the health of your battery. 2 years after purchase, mine is only at 75% of its initial capacity. I get around 5h15 of sot in mixed usage, merely 2h30 in gaming
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Which Replacement Battery Should I Get?

Okay so as said in my last thread on batteries, the ZTHY brand drained far to fast.
And now I find myself fretting over what battery to get instead, too worried it might turn out the same and I'll of spent the money for nothing.
So I ask all of you, is there a replacement battery you all know of that's a good choice?
Oh, and would an OEM battery be a good choice? I see them all over ebay.
OEM battery should be no problem but why you need to change battery ?
This model and others have similar problem of quick discharge or battery capacity fluctuation but the source is the battery connectors, not the battery itself.
This happened once before with the battery it came with, the one I have in now is a NewPower99.
But the charge is lasting less and less, yesterday it drained in 2 hours. And it's starting to overheat a lot.
ElsaReyes said:
This happened once before with the battery it came with, the one I have in now is a NewPower99.
But the charge is lasting less and less, yesterday it drained in 2 hours. And it's starting to overheat a lot.
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If your tablet pops up message which says the tablet is overheating, this is a sign of cracked battery connector. Most of the issues of overheating,
quick discharge from this tablet can be solved easily by re solder the battery connector. Lithium battery can last at least one to two years depending
on how you use your tablet. I had some dead batteries discarded by others, but just a little fix: adjust the clip of battery cables closer so they can make
good contact with battery connector's pins, they come back alive and work normally.
Change new battery and you still see the same problem, the problem is not from battery.
I see many people throw away a working battery and don't know it just has a loose connection.
Beut said:
If your tablet pops up message which says the tablet is overheating, this is a sign of cracked battery connector. Most of the issues of overheating,
quick discharge from this tablet can be solved easily by re solder the battery connector. Lithium battery can last at least one to two years depending
on how you use your tablet. I had some dead batteries discarded by others, but just a little fix: adjust the clip of battery cables closer so they can make
good contact with battery connector's pins, they come back alive and work normally.
Change new battery and you still see the same problem, the problem is not from battery.
I see many people throw away a working battery and don't know it just has a loose connection.
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Is there anything in depth that can show me how to fix these problems?
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Is there anything in depth that can show me how to fix these problems?
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Read and look at these pictures, you might understand why Samsung tablets have a common problem of quick discharge or battery problem.
Samsung has many flaws in designs , the Galaxy Note 7 phone's explosion is an example
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67917960&postcount=155
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...screen-flickering-problems-5.html#post5182576
Battery problems are very common in many Samsung tablets, you have to look carefully to see if the battery is actually bad.
Most of the time, the problem is not from battery. It has its certain life time and cannot fail quickly.
Beut said:
Read and look at these pictures, you might understand why Samsung tablets have a common problem of quick discharge or battery problem.
Samsung has many flaws in designs , the Galaxy Note 7 phone's explosion is an example
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=67917960&postcount=155
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sa...screen-flickering-problems-5.html#post5182576
Battery problems are very common in many Samsung tablets, you have to look carefully to see if the battery is actually bad.
Most of the time, the problem is not from battery. It has its certain life time and cannot fail quickly.
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Yikes. Sadly I have no way to do any of that. And I don't know anyone who could either. Only thing I can do is get a new battery. It would be a complete waste of money, but I literally wouldn't be able to do any of that. It's all just to small and I don't own a microscope.
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Yikes. Sadly I have no way to do any of that. And I don't know anyone who could either. Only thing I can do is get a new battery. It would be a complete waste of money, but I literally wouldn't be able to do any of that. It's all just to small and I don't own a microscope.
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I bought an used Tab Pro 12.2 so I believe it may be at least one year old. Resoldered the battery connector and adjusted the battery cables's terminal,
it has been more than a year and I don't have any issue of battery. I have more than 10 of used batteries and have no chance to use them.
The tablet is in a sleep mode more than a week, when turning on it still keeps the charge with a little less. This tablet can last 2 to 3 years without problem if
both battery connectors fixed properly.
Beut said:
I bought an used Tab Pro 12.2 so I believe it may be at least one year old. Resoldered the battery connector and adjusted the battery cables's terminal,
it has been more than a year and I don't have any issue of battery. I have more than 10 of used batteries and have no chance to use them.
The tablet is in a sleep mode more than a week, when turning on it still keeps the charge with a little less. This tablet can last 2 to 3 years without problem if
both battery connectors fixed properly.
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I want to do it. I just can't.
I mean, I saw one post where someone had opened the white piece so you could see inside. I can't figure out how to do that. If I could I might actually be able to fix it, but.
Welp, I tried on my old battery, and broke the pins trying to cut away the plastic so I could actually reach the pins.
ElsaReyes said:
Welp, I tried on my old battery, and broke the pins trying to cut away the plastic so I could actually reach the pins.
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You don't need to cut the plastic cover of battery connector. The battery cable clip can adjust from the top with a thin knife
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This connector tends to loose over time, Samsung fix this issue by using silver conductive glue or solder cables directly to the connector on mainboard ( done when sending to repair ).
However, the main issue is from the connector on mainboard, this one needs to be re soldered.
A complete repair should fix both connectors, like this one : resolder the battery connector on mainboard and solder the cables directly to the connector on mainboard.
As I already said, the cables no need to solder to mainboard as average users have no way to replace a bad battery
Okay can you please tell me how you were able to view it so upclose like that?
This thing is just so tiny I can't see things good enough to even risk using the knife.
I tried a microscope app on my phone but everything was just one big blur.
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Okay can you please tell me how you were able to view it so upclose like that?
This thing is just so tiny I can't see things good enough to even risk using the knife.
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This USB digital microscope is good to view and take picture, but you cannot do work with this microscope due to small distance between
the lens and the object. Bring it far away, the image becomes blurry.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-50-500X...793330?hash=item1a15bc0532:g:tEYAAOSwo0JWGPTA
In order to do something under microscope, it must have at least 6 inches clearance between the lens and object like this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AmScope-10X...687430?hash=item58e5c00006:g:Pw4AAOSwbdpWYnDh
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This USB digital microscope is good to view and take picture, but you cannot do work with this microscope due to small distance between
the lens and the object. Bring it far away, the image becomes blurry.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-50-500X...793330?hash=item1a15bc0532:g:tEYAAOSwo0JWGPTA
In order to do something under microscope, it must have at least 6 inches clearance between the lens and object like this one
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AmScope-10X...687430?hash=item58e5c00006:g:Pw4AAOSwbdpWYnDh
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Jeesum crow, I could buy like 10 replacement batteries with the money that microscope costs. lol

Realme 9 pro+: Battery capacity lower than advertised? I'm not sure what to make of this.

I bought this phone less than a month ago. I bought it new from a reputable store. The battery is advertised as 4500 mAh typical / 4400 mAh min. I quickly noticed that Accubattery is showing a significantly smaller capacity, around 4000 mAh.
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(it was showing 4200 at first, then after a full discharge followed by a full charge it dropped to below 4000).
Normally I would chalk this up to inaccurate measurement, however:
The kernel is reporting design capacity of the battery as 3996 mAh. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this output, but it seems to indicate that the phone actually contains a 4000mAh battery, instead of 4500.
Surely a large global brand is not falsely advertising the battery in their phones, right? What is going on here?
You need more sessions on that accubattery app to get accurate details.
Dayuser said:
You need more sessions on that accubattery app to get accurate details.
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How many sessions do I need for accurate charge_full_design?
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How many sessions do I need for accurate charge_full_design?
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20 to 30 sessions at least what i have seen on other devices.
I think battery itself is right and ok because designed capacity shows 4500 mAh
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20 to 30 sessions at least what i have seen on other devices.
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Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. charge_full_design is hardcoded at the factory and it indicates the design capacity of the battery.
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I think battery itself is right and ok because designed capacity shows 4500 mAh
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If you're talking about the value from the Accubattery screenshot, I entered that manually in the app.
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Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. charge_full_design is hardcoded at the factory and it indicates the design capacity of the battery.
If you're talking about the value from the Accubattery screenshot, I entered that manually in the app.
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If you are so sure about this, then change the battery. For sure that reputable store sold you a phone with a bad battery. Change the battery, it is still covered by warranty.
Fytdyh said:
If you are so sure about this, then change the battery. For sure that reputable store sold you a phone with a bad battery. Change the battery, it is still covered by warranty.
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I'm not sure about it, which is why I'm posting here. I want to understand what are some other possible explanations for this.
The only thing I'm sure of so far is that Dayuser is making **** up.
Same on my 9 pro+ and actually my gut feeling here is that it's indeed not as long-lasting compared to another phone with similar specs and battery capacity. Great phone, but a bit worrying.
Can someone explain the CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN or send a link to a description. My searches didn't give a very clear picture as users of other phones reported sometimes a match, sometimes a mismatch to the advertised capacities. Might it be that these are old, left-over settings from older Android versions, which don't mean anything anymore?
POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=battery
POWER_SUPPLY_STATUS=Full
POWER_SUPPLY_HEALTH=Good
POWER_SUPPLY_PRESENT=1
POWER_SUPPLY_TECHNOLOGY=Li-ion
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY=100
POWER_SUPPLY_TEMP=301
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_NOW=4401
POWER_SUPPLY_VOLTAGE_MIN=4389
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_NOW=-289
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_NOW=4712
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_COUNTER=4500000
POWER_SUPPLY_CURRENT_MAX=2000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=3993000
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN=3993000
POWER_SUPPLY_TIME_TO_FULL_NOW=0
POWER_SUPPLY_CAPACITY_LEVEL=Normal
@Bernie_W thanks for replying.
I actually found a display unit in a store, and it showed a correct value (4436 mAh): https://photos.app.goo.gl/jQZjcWyc1rKGoAcx6
As for CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN, it's supposed to show the capacity of a brand new battery, however some batteries don't implement this correctly and just show the same value as CHARGE_FULL (which is the current capacity at full charge). I believe this is the case on this phone, as I noticed this value changing slightly after a full charge.
It's an interface from the Linux kernel,, not strictly Android. The documentation is here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/power/power_supply_class.html
Anyway, I sent the phone back for warranty, still waiting for response.
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@Bernie_W thanks for replying.
I actually found a display unit in a store, and it showed a correct value (4436 mAh): https://photos.app.goo.gl/jQZjcWyc1rKGoAcx6
As for CHARGE_FULL_DESIGN, it's supposed to show the capacity of a brand new battery, however some batteries don't implement this correctly and just show the same value as CHARGE_FULL (which is the current capacity at full charge). I believe this is the case on this phone, as I noticed this value changing slightly after a full charge.
It's an interface from the Linux kernel,, not strictly Android. The documentation is here: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.10/power/power_supply_class.html
Anyway, I sent the phone back for warranty, still waiting for response.
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Very interesting video, thanks for that. But even, if the phone would show CHARGE_FULL it should be way over 4000 mAh, so there is something wrong in my opinion. And you gave the prove with your video, that it should be higher.
I started to check, as I had the feeling the battery is not lasting enough. And I had a couple of phones over the past with similar battery capacities. So, I landed here and found your valuable report.
Would be great, if you get back your phone to let us know, if this has changed. I would then consider sending mine back, too.
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Very interesting video, thanks for that. But even, if the phone would show CHARGE_FULL it should be way over 4000 mAh, so there is something wrong in my opinion. And you gave the prove with your video, that it should be higher.
I started to check, as I had the feeling the battery is not lasting enough. And I had a couple of phones over the past with similar battery capacities. So, I landed here and found your valuable report.
Would be great, if you get back your phone to let us know, if this has changed. I would then consider sending mine back, too.
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I just received a response. They confirm the issue and they replaced the battery. I'll let you know how it looks when I get back the phone.
hcwdjk said:
I just received a response. They confirm the issue and they replaced the battery. I'll let you know how it looks when I get back the phone.
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Wow, that's interesting news. I actually confronted the service center here in Europe as well. The didn't try to reject or talk me down, feels a bit like they know. Answer was simply, "if you want to return the phone, please contact nearest service center".
May I ask what they confirmed in your case, would possibly help if I connect to a local service center?
They simply said that the authorized service center confirmed the problem, and that they replaced the battery. No extra details.
I just got back the phone, now it says:
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=4423000
I'll keep an eye on it and let you know if anything interesting happens.
hcwdjk said:
They simply said that the authorized service center confirmed the problem, and that they replaced the battery. No extra details.
I just got back the phone, now it says:
POWER_SUPPLY_CHARGE_FULL=4423000
I'll keep an eye on it and let you know if anything interesting happens.
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Thanks for your feedback, that's really very kind.
I think I also contact local service center as I still believe the endurance of the battery is not where it should be. Other user reported 20 hours standby and about 9 hours of SoT. They tested with enforced 90Hz and power mode on. Not what I get on my mobile.
Bernie_W said:
Thanks for your feedback, that's really very kind.
I think I also contact local service center as I still believe the endurance of the battery is not where it should be. Other user reported 20 hours standby and about 9 hours of SoT. They tested with enforced 90Hz and power mode on. Not what I get on my mobile.
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Ok, so this is not looking good so far.
After just a couple days, CHARGE_FULL reported by the battery dropped to 4041 mAh.
AccuBattery also shows similar values:
Also, the headphone DAC is busted (or just ****ty). I've had enough of this phone, I'm just gonna return it.
hcwdjk said:
Ok, so this is not looking good so far.
After just a couple days, CHARGE_FULL reported by the battery dropped to 4041 mAh.
AccuBattery also shows similar values:
Also, the headphone DAC is busted (or just ****ty). I've had enough of this phone, I'm just gonna return it.
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Oh no, sorry to hear that.
Possibly the upcoming update to A13 could bring some improvement, but if the headphone DAC isn't working properly, that would also be a total no-go for me.
I read a post in a German forum, that a user had audio problems when he restored from a backup. After a reset and installing all from scratch, it seemed to work fine.
I think I will wait for A13 update and decide then.
Anyway thanks for all the great information, I wish you better luck with the new device

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