spoke to supervisor at att and said 4.3 is att and is n testin and will b released this week comin up about 500 to 600 mb download so get ready .ps those will get notified thru text for upgrade and others will get it the next day so there wont b no errors n the download and no overloadin the system yadaya...and more bloatware aswell from att but hey we get wat we pay for so get ure phone prepared and clean it good so u wont miss any files or uno
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If there is going to be an update, we all should be prepared to see its affects on rooting and recoveries, I don't want another MF3 nightmare- again.
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I will not trust too much AT&T guys! From my experience they are not too many people knowing when the update will be release. Well lets keep the hopes up and freeze the update to not lose the root!
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The Canadians haven't received it yet (though it is slated for October) and you expect people to believe AT&T will be releasing it this week? I guess it could happen, but I've yet to see any convincing evidence. Anyone working at AT&T should not be considered a good source for anything. Regardless, don't touch it until it is checked out by those that know what they are doing. Of course, the same "challenged" people that screwed up with MF3 (and continue to do so) will do the same with 4.3 no matter what kind of warnings people post. Some people just don't know how to read and never learn from their mistakes.
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The Canadians haven't received it yet (though it is slated for October) and you expect people to believe AT&T will be releasing it this week? I guess it could happen, but I've yet to see any convincing evidence. Anyone working at AT&T should not be considered a good source for anything. Regardless, don't touch it until it is checked out by those that know what they are doing. Of course, the same "challenged" people that screwed up with MF3 (and continue to do so) will do the same with 4.3 no matter what kind of warnings people post. Some people just don't know how to read and never learn from their mistakes.
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Well my phone auto updated, so not everyone who upgraded to MF3 did it on their own, it just happened with mine, now I know to freeze those processes with titanium backup
Kingo root might still work for it. It worked for mf3 baseband with one-click root.
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It'll be locked down tighter than mf3. Each new version will patch the previous versions vulnerabilities.
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Well my phone auto updated, so not everyone who upgraded to MF3 did it on their own, it just happened with mine, now I know to freeze those processes with titanium backup
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It was posted several times well before MF3 was ever released:
A. Do not take the MF3 update until it was checked out (unless you don't care about modding).
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B. A couple of ways to prevent the update, automatic or not.
It was then reported / posted several times directly after MF3 started pushing (within 1 day) that it would auto-update and exact instructions were provided on how to keep it from doing so.
There are no excuses, just lack of reading.
Like I said, if you don't care about changing or modding your phone than it doesn't matter, but if you are here at XDA in the first place, it means you DO want to do things to your phone and therefore, there is no excuse for not knowing about the updates, what to do or not to do with them, and how to prevent them if needed. The only reason for this is not reading.
Personally, I don't care. I know what to do for my phone because I search, learn, and read. However, the dozens and dozens of people that come running here crying for help when they should have helped themselves is annoying. It's sad when people take the time to provide information in an informative and easily understandable way and others just ignore it and then want to blame others because they did so. And that is exactly what happens...again, no excuses.
If people would read THIS, I am telling them NOT to update before the update is checked out to see what it changes and effects. The thread title is, "OFFICIAL 4.3 UPDATE AT&T I337". That is all the information that is needed for a search here at XDA, on Google, or even a simple visual search. If anyone puts ANY minimal effort into it, they can see what I have posted here. But, that is the problem, people are too lazy and to entitled to do anything on their own to take responsibility for what they do to their phones. They would rather call the people that follow XDA rules and take responsibility for what they do names like "****" or "Condescending" when it is pointed out to them where to learn about what they want to do and what they should have done to begin with.
So, here it is if you want to ever MOD your phone again in any way:
DO NOT TAKE THE AT&T 4.3 UPDATE (OR ANY OTHER UPDATES) OR ALLOW YOUR PHONE TO AUTO-UPDATE UNTIL THE DEVS AT XDA HAVE A CHANCE TO CHECK THE UPDATE OUT TO SEE WHAT IT CHANGES!
If you do, it is your own damn fault...take responsibility for it!
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It'll be locked down tighter than mf3. Each new version will patch the previous versions vulnerabilities.
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Sigh... so true. That's why I will never outright buy a phone from AT&T again.
Will be getting a GPE phone if I go with another Galaxy.
To keep it on topic, I'm with the others on this, I don't put my faith in employees at AT&T. Sure it's possible the update could drop this week... but either way I won't be updating any time soon.
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It was posted several times well before MF3 was ever released:
There are no excuses, just lack of reading.
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No excuses you know, unless you don't frequent forums like this and it just happened....
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No excuses you know, unless you don't frequent forums like this and it just happened....
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Like I said, if you don't care about changing or modding your phone than it doesn't matter, but if you are here at XDA in the first place, it means you DO want to do things to your phone and therefore, there is no excuse for not knowing about the updates, what to do or not to do with them, and how to prevent them if needed. The only reason for this is not reading.
...take responsibility for it!
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I come here once and awhile, not in my wildest dreams did I expect a forced over the air update to come, even apple doesn't pull that...so people who like to have a rooted phone does not mean they frequent this site often
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I come here once and awhile, not in my wildest dreams did I expect a forced over the air update to come, even apple doesn't pull that...so people who like to have a rooted phone does not mean they frequent this site often
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I agree that it is a crappy tactic from AT&T, but the fact that your phone updated is completely your fault. The XDA rules state, "To search before you post". That is the first thing you should do when coming here for any information. The second thing is to read the "pinned" threads in the General and Q & A sections. It doesn't matter if you come here for something once or 100 times, it is still your responsibility to do so. What happens to your phone is ONLY your responsibility. Some things can not be fixed, changed, or controlled. The phone updating is not one of those things. Your phone auto- updated because you did not learn about it being able to do so. If you signed any paperwork with AT&T I guarantee you signed a waver that said they can and will modify your software at any time with or without any further consent. It's your fault if you didn't read it.
There are plenty of people around here that were born with the same knowledge about phones, and Android, and Modding that you and I were born with. But those people (and myself) took the time to learn about their phones and took responsibility for what they wanted to do to their phones. They didn't come to XDA, ignore all of the rules, and make a user account just to ask a question about something they did wrong to start with. Instead, they came here, read the rules, agreed to them, made a user account, and proceeded to search, read, and learn about their device. Many of them then went on to start modifying and developing so others could benefit from their time and actions. Not everyone achieves that level of knowledge but everyone IS expected to follow the rules, search, read, and learn. In other words, like I said, there are no excuses. Everything involving what has or will happen to your phone is your (and only your) responsibility. Just like it is for everyone else and their phone.
one of the first things I do after rooting a device is to freeze all the bloat AND any ota or updates. when an update starts to come , immediately hit airplane mode and don't disable it until figuring out how to kill the update.
don't play the modding game without fully understanding what you're doing.
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one of the first things I do after rooting a device is to freeze all the bloat AND any ota or updates. when an update starts to come , immediately hit airplane mode and don't disable it until figuring out how to kill the update.
don't play the modding game without fully understanding what you're doing.
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With the MF3 update.. It seems the 3 Required apps to freeze the OTA are not all there. 1 Of them has a different name under my phone. It seems to be now listed as AllShare Cast Dongle S/W. Can someone confirm that this is indeed the third piece of the puzzle to freeze updates? Has this any affect to AllShare feature?
I tried searching around, but everything seems to point to only blocking the update prior to MF3. Nothing notes the new changes. And I guess is there any real point in stopping the next update? Seeing as LOKI is the only real(no limitations) solution to the bootloader lock?
Is there anyone working on the bootloader for MF3?
Thanks!
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I agree that it is a crappy tactic from AT&T, but the fact that your phone updated is completely your fault. The XDA rules state, "To search before you post". That is the first thing you should do when coming here for any information. The second thing is to read the "pinned" threads in the General and Q & A sections. It doesn't matter if you come here for something once or 100 times, it is still your responsibility to do so. What happens to your phone is ONLY your responsibility. Some things can not be fixed, changed, or controlled. The phone updating is not one of those things. Your phone auto- updated because you did not learn about it being able to do so. If you signed any paperwork with AT&T I guarantee you signed a waver that said they can and will modify your software at any time with or without any further consent. It's your fault if you didn't read it.
There are plenty of people around here that were born with the same knowledge about phones, and Android, and Modding that you and I were born with. But those people (and myself) took the time to learn about their phones and took responsibility for what they wanted to do to their phones. They didn't come to XDA, ignore all of the rules, and make a user account just to ask a question about something they did wrong to start with. Instead, they came here, read the rules, agreed to them, made a user account, and proceeded to search, read, and learn about their device. Many of them then went on to start modifying and developing so others could benefit from their time and actions. Not everyone achieves that level of knowledge but everyone IS expected to follow the rules, search, read, and learn. In other words, like I said, there are no excuses. Everything involving what has or will happen to your phone is your (and only your) responsibility. Just like it is for everyone else and their phone.
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I disagree it is the users fault. Mine did the same thing. By the time I left the store mine was already updating on its own. It's not like you can root while you are at the store. I have rooted every Android I have owned but never had a device update on its own until this S4.
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I disagree it is the users fault. Mine did the same thing. By the time I left the store mine was already updating on its own. It's not like you can root while you are at the store. I have rooted every Android I have owned but never had a device update on its own until this S4.
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It's difficult to predict a phone updating before you leave the store you bought it at. That is probably one of the few excuses that would be legitimate. It's still your responsibility to research the phone before you buy to see what it might or might not do, but even then it's difficult to do anything about it that quickly. It was posted several times to not put the sim card into the phone before you could take steps to prevent the update but sometimes it's just not possible. Blaming it on "other" phones you have had not auto-updating is just an excuse. This isn't those other phones and it is / was still your responsibility to research and learn about THIS phone before you took ownership. It is simply no one else's fault that you didn't read and learn. You might feel like you didn't need to or shouldn't have to but that doesn't change the fact that the information was out there, you just didn't seek it. However, like I said, even if you would have, it still might have been difficult to stop it in your particular situation.
Most people (99.9%) of people that throw around excuses are solely to blame for the phone updating (or anything else that happens to it). It is completely their responsibility, they just want to blame someone or something else. Using, "I didn't know" or ,"Who would expect the phone to do that", as an excuse when as much information exists about it as does, is just an attempt at not taking responsibility. Some people take responsibility for their actions and have no trouble stepping up and admitting something happened because of their actions or lack there-of. Others, always want to blame someone else.
If anyone is keeping score I am one of the (apparently rare) folks who reads this forum but has no intention of rooting or modding or hacking etc my phone.
But thanks to this forum I learned which of the att and Samsung apps I could safely disable.
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Most people (99.9%) of people that throw around excuses are solely to blame for the phone updating (or anything else that happens to it). It is completely their responsibility, they just want to blame someone or something else. Using, "I didn't know" or ,"Who would expect the phone to do that", as an excuse when as much information exists about it as does, is just an attempt at not taking responsibility. Some people take responsibility for their actions and have no trouble stepping up and admitting something happened because of their actions or lack there-of. Others, always want to blame someone else.
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Its not like an iphone where you have to tell it to update, it just happened, I had an iphone for 4 years, never once did I update until there was a jailbreak and I know I can't be the only one, I rooted, tried a few custom roms, didnt like them and never came back to this site until my phone updated itself. So I'd just get off your high horse because well putting down people to make one feel better isn't a great trait to have.
There will be NO 4.3 update for ATT before the INTL peeps get it, I am telling you now, att will not have one till way after the 1st of the year....
That ATT rep is full of .....need I say more...
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Hey guys, long time lurker, first time post here.
I just got off the phone after a nightmare of random reboots and so on and so forth. VZW send me a text today saying an update to my phone was available. Thinking I'd find out if it was simply to disable mobile tether or not I called in. The tech was surprised, but said he did see the notes on my account that the message was sent.
He said it was NOT 2.3, but another maintenance release, approved today for push tomorrow. All of this can be dismissed, however he did say something quite interesting. He said he couldn't fully help me because my phone was rooted. Obviously I denied that, and he said look man, I know it is. I said how? He replied that he could see that I was running DASbamf 2.1, which I am. Explained that it was part of the new system for the 4g phones. Believe me or not, I just wanted to put it out there that VZW can apparently tell, his words were that more than likely, it's pulled from when the phone is activated. Has anyone else heard of either of these? This is also posted on droid forums, just putting that out these to avoid the duplicate talks.
I always thought they knew, just can't do much about it. However, if they start using that information to deny certain services, it would be a major problem.
We need one of the nifty Verizon employees that frequent here to comment on this.
that is interesting. In theory, they could use that to deny warranty claims.
or the devs could just change the listing and fake the rom info right?
Well, thats my thought / hope. He read right back to me saying I was running a custom rom. I got to talking with him and he admitted he was rooted as well, and additionally stated that as a whole VZW doesn't pursue the issue. it just tripped me out, that he read it out. He had a very "don't bull**** me" tone. haha
tricky verizon.... they are catchin on!
if their phones didn't come with so much bloatware i wouldn't feel the need to root.
The screen cap was from today, obviously. What do you guys think of that?
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The screen cap was from today, obviously. What do you guys think of that?
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i think you need to charge your phone
i think you should download that and drop it on xda early for all of us.
I agree,I believe a charge is in order
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that is interesting. In theory, they could use that to deny warranty claims.
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Anyone dumb enough to return a rooted phone deserves to be denied.
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Haha, all warranty-implications aside, that's pretty cool that he could tell you what rom you were running.
Jcase has said before that they can tell, a big give away is you radio/baseband version. Do they care if you're rooted? Probably not unless your stealing services ,in which they are starting to act on and try to eliminate.
I root because I like to tinker with computers, I like the customization and speed that rooting gives us.
No flame please.
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Hey guys, long time lurker, first time post here.
I just got off the phone after a nightmare of random reboots and so on and so forth. VZW send me a text today saying an update to my phone was available. Thinking I'd find out if it was simply to disable mobile tether or not I called in. The tech was surprised, but said he did see the notes on my account that the message was sent.
He said it was NOT 2.3, but another maintenance release, approved today for push tomorrow. All of this can be dismissed, however he did say something quite interesting. He said he couldn't fully help me because my phone was rooted. Obviously I denied that, and he said look man, I know it is. I said how? He replied that he could see that I was running DASbamf 2.1, which I am. Explained that it was part of the new system for the 4g phones. Believe me or not, I just wanted to put it out there that VZW can apparently tell, his words were that more than likely, it's pulled from when the phone is activated. Has anyone else heard of either of these? This is also posted on droid forums, just putting that out these to avoid the duplicate talks.
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Hi. I just bought a Thunderbolt after having problems with Sprint. I was told the same thing and when I mentioned it in the forum from a thread I posted, I was called a liar, among other things. I was told, as you can see from my post, that they also know every site you visit and whether you are paying for the Mobile Hot Spot. Sorry to hear your story, but glad that it validates what I was told from Sprint.
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That was a great reply!! Hilarious!
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I do it to get rid of crapware
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Well I'll just jump on over to Sprint if they terminate my contract! The developer support is the reason I have an Android phone. I'm sure the devs could come up with something to block this though.
Honestly... I think terminating contracts over rooted phones would be one of the dumbest moves a cellular company could make.
It takes a certain technical know-how to root a phone, even with "easy root" phones such as the Google Nexus series. These technical people are also the people that are likely to be in positions of IT buying power in major organizations. If one of these people were to loose service over the rooting their personal phone, they may make the case to organizational management to move the organizational fleet of phones away from that carrier. In turn, the termination of one contract leads to the eventual termination of an entire fleet of phones. This "Mutually Assured Destruction" scenario prevents the cellular carriers from taking any large scale averse action against rooted phones. Furthermore, these technical people frequently talk to each other through rapid dissemination means (i.e. these forums). This sets up another scenario where the cancellation of one person's service may lead to the loss of many current and future subscribers.
These two factors leads to an environment where rooting is tolerated but not encouraged by the carriers. Carriers do not want to encourage rooting because it allows people to get rid of money making applications (i.e. City ID). However, they can not take averse action against rooted phones as that would launch the "mutually assured destruction" scenario discussed above. Carriers have turned to the method of locking down the phones as much as possible to prevent casual rooting of the devices. However, once a device is rooted, it is out of the carrier's control.
I fell asleep shortly after this thread was posted, I will however post updated pics once phone is charged.
http://www.carrieriq.com/index.htm
I just heard about this and can't believe how little we know we are being spied on. Is this installed on the sensation? If so are there any ROMS which remove it? Am I just digging up old news or what does everybody else know about this?
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I just heard about this and can't believe how little we know we are being spied on. Is this installed on the sensation? If so are there any ROMS which remove it? Am I just digging up old news or what does everybody else know about this?
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Old news.
No this is not old news at all. This subject is still being looked into and things are coming to light about it more and more. Yes this is very much on the Sensation. Me personally I am glad someone started a thread on it as it is something I feel everyone should be concerned with.
If you want to learn more about it just go to the XDA Portal and type in a search for Carrier IQ, CIQ, or just IQ and you will see there has been several stories in the portal about it and the dev that is trying to bring all of this CIQ BS into the view of the masses.
Also I have not looked to see but I imagen that there is some custom ROMs for the Sensation that has the CIQ removed from it. I beleive any of the CM7 based ROMs do not have it and it may be more you will just have to read the first posts in the thread by the chef that cooked the ROM.
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No this is not old news at all. This subnet t is still being looked into and things are coming to light about it more and more. Yes this is very much on the Sensation. Me personally I am glad someone started a thread on it as it is something I feel everyone should be concerned with.
If you want to learn more about it just go to the XDA Portal and type in a search for Carrier IQ, CIQ, or just IQ and you will see there has been several stories in the portal about it and the dev that is Beloit.g to bring all of this CIQ BS into the view of the masses.
Also I have not looked to see but I imagen that there is some custom ROMs for the Sensation that has the CIQ removed from it. I beleive any of the CM7 based ROMs do not have it and it may be more you will just have to read the first posts in the thread by the chef that cooked the ROM.
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Hi,
I found that ROM CLEANER does the business of removing all the offending crap.
Worth looking into.
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Hi,
I found that ROM CLEANER does the business of removing all the offending crap.
Worth looking into.
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The ROM just cleans bloatware and other things in HTC Sense to help the ROM run smoother. All devices have this CIQ on them, it is not an app but several things that are hidden deep in the ROM and has to be cooked out of the ROM. ASOP ROMs do not have it. Go read this article by azrienoch on it. Make sure to click on the links in the article too then you will have a better understanding of what I mean. You will also see why it is such a big deal.
Update to the current Carrier IQ fiasco with video proof
http://m.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/11/secret-software-logging-video/
Separate link for the youtube video for easier access.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T17XQI_AYNo&feature=youtube_gdata_player
In the T-Mobile galaxy s 2 forums the carrier IQ the is in the kernel is that where it is in sensation? I can't find any of the know names in my wife's phone.
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i just had the word with the guy who made the video and he told me that this only affect u.s.a people and this doesn't affect anyone living in eurpoe so if you live in uk, ireland and other part of eurpoe than you are fine.
I'm in the US and i read this over and over, and to be honest i can give to giggles of a squirting crap bout this, everyone takes this out of proportion and think its end of the world cause something in there is loggin your keys,
ITS IN EVERYTHING!! get over it already, its in your game consoles, in your laptops, in your PCS, just deal with it nothing you can do or say will change this
and lot of you will say no its not, BUT IT IS! think bout all the times your send a report of a crash on a pc or anything, deeping read ToS on consoles all have tracker/logger
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I'm in the US and i read this over and over, and to be honest i can give to giggles of a squirting crap bout this, everyone takes this out of proportion and think its end of the world cause something in there is loggin your keys,
ITS IN EVERYTHING!! get over it already, its in your game consoles, in your laptops, in your PCS, just deal with it nothing you can do or say will change this
and lot of you will say no its not, BUT IT IS! think bout all the times your send a report of a crash on a pc or anything, deeping read ToS on consoles all have tracker/logger
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So, because tracking software is being put on many devices we use every day, we should not worry about it?
Perhaps if consumers were made more aware of things like this, they could stem the tide of invasive technology.
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I'm in the US and i read this over and over, and to be honest i can give to giggles of a squirting crap bout this, everyone takes this out of proportion and think its end of the world cause something in there is loggin your keys,
ITS IN EVERYTHING!! get over it already, its in your game consoles, in your laptops, in your PCS, just deal with it nothing you can do or say will change this
and lot of you will say no its not, BUT IT IS! think bout all the times your send a report of a crash on a pc or anything, deeping read ToS on consoles all have tracker/logger
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CIQ is definitely a whole new species of logging software, put onto your device by your friendly network operator.
I dare to say that there is absolutely no comparable spying software case so far. If you´d have fully studied about the software this thread is mentioning, you most probably would not have written your statement.
A key logger which records *everything* you type without encryption? A key logger which reads your SMS/test message even before you read it? Come on. This kind of stuff is *definitely" not "in everything". It may be in all network operator subsidized mobile phones (not only Android, but also Nokia and Blackberry affected) in the USA - but definitely not here in Europe.
Here, we actually have laws against such software - especially if it´s distributed by large organizations like network operators, this could result in multi-billion dollar fines. People here in Europe are not wiser, but they tend to fight a bit more against "big brother" who might be "watching you".
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CIQ is definitely a whole new species of logging software, put onto your device by your friendly network operator.
I dare to say that there is absolutely no comparable spying software case so far. If you´d have fully studied about the software this thread is mentioning, you most probably would not have written your statement.
A key logger which records *everything* you type without encryption? A key logger which reads your SMS/test message even before you read it? Come on. This kind of stuff is *definitely" not "in everything". It may be in all network operator subsidized mobile phones (not only Android, but also Nokia and Blackberry affected) in the USA - but definitely not here in Europe.
Here, we actually have laws against such software - especially if it´s distributed by large organizations like network operators, this could result in multi-billion dollar fines. People here in Europe are not wiser, but they tend to fight a bit more against "big brother" who might be "watching you".
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i know what it does, and i still stand on my statement, as you and i type every letter on our keyboard it si being key logged to thats the sad truth of this an everything, no matter how you look or want to make aware to anyone its still exist and as technology grows so will this.. so either cry and complain bout it everytime some like this comes up or just say i know the fact im being watched but what else more can i do.. cause there is nothing you can do.. your normal house phones are being logged, not lot know this but there is KEY words that if you say in a conversation it picks up and sends a alert to the proper authorities..
its something to look and jus get over...
Also think bout it, when something goes truly bad, say a murder uses a phone officials can pick up they logging of calls and texts and read them back, so this loggin has been around for awhile so i dont understand why its becoming sucha big deal when its been around
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i know what it does, and i still stand on my statement, as you and i type every letter on our keyboard it si being key logged to thats the sad truth of this an everything, no matter how you look or want to make aware to anyone its still exist and as technology grows so will this.. so either cry and complain bout it everytime some like this comes up or just say i know the fact im being watched but what else more can i do.. cause there is nothing you can do.. your normal house phones are being logged, not lot know this but there is KEY words that if you say in a conversation it picks up and sends a alert to the proper authorities..
its something to look and jus get over...
Also think bout it, when something goes truly bad, say a murder uses a phone officials can pick up they logging of calls and texts and read them back, so this loggin has been around for awhile so i dont understand why its becoming sucha big deal when its been around
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I wonder how this affects the speed and responsiveness of the phone's OS?
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i know what it does, and i still stand on my statement, as you and i type every letter on our keyboard it si being key logged to thats the sad truth of this an everything, no matter how you look or want to make aware to anyone its still exist and as technology grows so will this.. so either cry and complain bout it everytime some like this comes up or just say i know the fact im being watched but what else more can i do.. cause there is nothing you can do.. your normal house phones are being logged, not lot know this but there is KEY words that if you say in a conversation it picks up and sends a alert to the proper authorities..
its something to look and jus get over...
Also think bout it, when something goes truly bad, say a murder uses a phone officials can pick up they logging of calls and texts and read them back, so this loggin has been around for awhile so i dont understand why its becoming sucha big deal when its been around
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Yes that is true what you said but most people already know that cops can get your records from a phone company with a search warrant depending on how long that company keeps those records.
This is deferent, a third party collecting all information of what you do on your phone without your consent or knowledge is wrong. This company is also not the government so what right do they have without your consent.
Yes on a console, a PC, and1st and 2nd party apps on your phone you give consent for them to use various monitoring techniques but you have a choice, here with carrier IQ you are not giving that choice it is there and you have to use a crowbar to get it out of your phone.
I'm no fanatic but I do believe in the constitution. It is your right to give away your privacy but it is not for someone else to take it away from you.
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i know what it does, and i still stand on my statement, as you and i type every letter on our keyboard it si being key logged to thats the sad truth of this an everything, no matter how you look or want to make aware to anyone its still exist and as technology grows so will this.. so either cry and complain bout it everytime some like this comes up or just say i know the fact im being watched but what else more can i do.. cause there is nothing you can do.. your normal house phones are being logged, not lot know this but there is KEY words that if you say in a conversation it picks up and sends a alert to the proper authorities..
its something to look and jus get over...
Also think bout it, when something goes truly bad, say a murder uses a phone officials can pick up they logging of calls and texts and read them back, so this loggin has been around for awhile so i dont understand why its becoming sucha big deal when its been around
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You keep saying it is nothing you can do about it, well you could not be more wrong. You can take and S-off your device, unlock your device, root, or what ever the proper method is for your particular device to be able to flash a custom recovery. Then simple download and flash any AOSP ROM. This will give you a device without CIQ.
Now you must not have read the official withdraw of the S&D letter to TrevE that IQ posted a link to on their website. Go yo the XDA Portal and have a look a the latest article by orb3000. Obviously the message has gotten to IQ and I would say more than likely the Carriers. Yeah some say that the power users are a small group but it is a group with great power. When the people that a large force in building enthusiasm for devices and OS's speak out against something that they do not like, people tend to listen. Therefore it has a large chance of affecting sales, new contract signings, and contract renewals.
This whole attitude of people not being able to do anything about something people consider wrong, is such a epic fail. I mean if no one never tries to bring change to something then yeah sure nothing will happen. And the powers that be gains that much more control. But luckily people are starting to get tired of never having change and are starting to do something about this messed up world of ours.
Last thing, if you think this is a simple logging system. Again you could be more wrong. This CIQ has full access to your device, as well as full rights. It can not be killed, forced close, or uninstall. I will not go into any further details, but this is far from what IQ and the carriers want you to think it is.
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i just had the word with the guy who made the video and he told me that this only affect u.s.a people and this doesn't affect anyone living in eurpoe so if you live in uk, ireland and other part of eurpoe than you are fine.
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Carrier is a global company. The company does have offices in London...
http://www.carrieriq.com/company/index.htm
And under the heading "About Carrier IQ"
http://www.sys-con.com/node/1865183
So European phones may have CIQ installed depending on what the mobile provider. Something that our friends over the pond
should research.
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You keep saying it is nothing you can do about it, well you could not be more wrong. You can take and S-off your device, unlock your device, root, or what ever the proper method is for your particular device to be able to flash a custom recovery. Then simple download and flash any AOSP ROM. This will give you a device without CIQ.
Now you must not have read the official withdraw of the S&D letter to TrevE that IQ posted a link to on their website. Go yo the XDA Portal and have a look a the latest article by orb3000. Obviously the message has gotten to IQ and I would say more than likely the Carriers. Yeah some say that the power users are a small group but it is a group with great power. When the people that a large force in building enthusiasm for devices and OS's speak out against something that they do not like, people tend to listen. Therefore it has a large chance of affecting sales, new contract signings, and contract renewals.
This whole attitude of people not being able to do anything about something people consider wrong, is such a epic fail. I mean if no one never tries to bring change to something then yeah sure nothing will happen. And the powers that be gains that much more control. But luckily people are starting to get tired of never having change and are starting to do something about this messed up world of ours.
Last thing, if you think this is a simple logging system. Again you could be more wrong. This CIQ has full access to your device, as well as full rights. It can not be killed, forced close, or uninstall. I will not go into any further details, but this is far from what IQ and the carriers want you to think it is.
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Hi,
That is very well put.
If you sit back and do nothing, then nothing will get done.
The more people complain about this, the more something is likely to be done.
As far as the carriers are concerned, they probably think that no one knows that this stuff is even installed!
Its important to show our awareness of this situation, and complain about it.
How about Logging TestApp? I heard that this app helps you erase all the logging apps in the phone, including this one.
This issue just Made ABC news this morning
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This issue just Made ABC news this morning
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This issue made international news.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...ve-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/
Wow, at first i was reading this thread and had the same, "well whatever" attitude. But after just a couple of minutes googling and reading, this is really messed up. CarrierIQ has issued a cease and dismiss order against the guy in the video, along with threats to sue if he does not publicly apologize.
Is it silly to hope this update will provide a pathway to re-unlocking the boot loader?
If so, I'll update, if not, I'll hold off. *le sigh*
It has been stated over and over again that the security hole was patched. 4.4 is even more secure. People need to stop asking about unlocking, it's getting old.
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It has been stated over and over again that the security hole was patched. 4.4 is even more secure. People need to stop asking about unlocking, it's getting old.
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So, thanks for your asinine, non responsive reply. The question was whether the update could provide a pathway to unlocking. I assure you I am more familiar with the situation of the boot loader than you are. Acceptable answers would include
1. Yes
2. Yes because blah blah blah
3. No
4. No because blah blah blah
It has already been debated that the update could possibly include a change to the boot loader that could be exploited. Since there are those that are more knowledgeable than me and are able to give actual answers, I shall ask you to have a good day, sir.
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So, thanks for your asinine, non responsive reply. The question was whether the update could provide a pathway to unlocking. I assure you I am more familiar with the situation of the boot loader than you are. Acceptable answers would include
1. Yes
2. Yes because blah blah blah
3. No
4. No because blah blah blah
It has already been debated that the update could possibly include a change to the boot loader that could be exploited. Since there are those that are more knowledgeable than me and are able to give actual answers, I shall ask you to have a good day, sir.
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It's just because this question gets asked over and over and over again. A little bit of searching will pretty much explain how this was an exploit, not an actual path to unlocking the bootloader. Once this was patched and fixed, the hopes of finding another exploit to unlock the bootloader on a phone that was not meant to have it's bootloader unlocked, were pretty much gone. Dan, who found the exploit, had done a LOT of exploring that took a lot of time, trial and error, etc. It wasn't an easy exploit that just showed up all of a sudden. The same goes for getting root. It's not an easy thing to get. As each patch comes out for Android, more and more exploits are patched. it's just part of the business to make the OS more secure.
Going to KK, as explained in the previous posters comments, pretty much makes it possible only if pigs fly. KK is more secure than JB and as each iteration of Android comes to being, it means it becomes more and more secure, which means less exploits to find to gain root. This also means, unless they reintroduce a new exploit (highly unlikely), then don't hold your breath for an unlocked bootloader as well.
If you're more aware of the situation than I, why did you ask about it? I meant no disrespect, but it has been frustrating seeing many people come in and asking about the BL, almost a year after the OTA was released to lock it back up. If you think KK will offer you a path to unlocking, then I invite you to go through the Moto X and S5 forums and see how much trouble they're having even attaining root.
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It's just because this question gets asked over and over and over again. A little bit of searching will pretty much explain how this was an exploit, not an actual path to unlocking the bootloader. Once this was patched and fixed, the hopes of finding another exploit to unlock the bootloader on a phone that was not meant to have it's bootloader unlocked, were pretty much gone. Dan, who found the exploit, had done a LOT of exploring that took a lot of time, trial and error, etc. It wasn't an easy exploit that just showed up all of a sudden. The same goes for getting root. It's not an easy thing to get. As each patch comes out for Android, more and more exploits are patched. it's just part of the business to make the OS more secure.
Going to KK, as explained in the previous posters comments, pretty much makes it possible only if pigs fly. KK is more secure than JB and as each iteration of Android comes to being, it means it becomes more and more secure, which means less exploits to find to gain root. This also means, unless they reintroduce a new exploit (highly unlikely), then don't hold your breath for an unlocked bootloader as well.
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I don't see no pigs flying.
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It has been stated over and over again that the security hole was patched. 4.4 is even more secure. People need to stop asking about unlocking, it's getting old.
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See how asinine you were now?
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See how asinine you were now?
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just run and do it they were helping you to the best of there knowledge at the time
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just run and do it they were helping you to the best of there knowledge at the time
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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about their replies to the OP?
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they were right at the time and now things have changed the community as a whole was just really annoyed about getting the same question so much so they were frustrated and i know users who missed out were even more frustrated with not being able to do what they want with there phones so don't take your frustration out on people who were trying to tell you the right answer at the time , take it out on your boot loader and unlock it yayayayay
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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about their replies to the OP?
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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about your posts?
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I don't see no pigs flying.
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See how asinine you were now?
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Past has shown that as old as these phones are, a new root exploit, when all others have been patched, never occurs.
What just happened was luck:
Someone was working on a root exploit not specific to this phone AND you got lucky that it worked for the RAZR HD/MAXX/M.
You got REAL lucky with Motorola basically screwing up and re-introducing the bootloader unlock exploit. This was patched with version 9.18 last year and has been unavailable since then. THIS was dumb luck, period. Well, dumb on the part of Motorola for somehow falling back to the old code that is located on a protected zone of the phone. This was the ONLY way it could have be re-introduced and this RARELY happens, so again, dumb luck.
However, there is another OTA coming (I was just emailed asking to participate in it yesterday). I'm pretty sure it will fix the Towelroot exploit (all 2013 phones running 4.4.2 as well as any 4.4.2 kernel whose date is >= 6/3/2014 disallow the Towelroot exploit) as well as the bootloader exploit.
So, now is your chance to root and unlock the bootloader and it's high time everyone takes advantage of this because we will get the same questions, over and over again when the next OTA comes out.
Our main point, as has been stated, was if people would just search and read, rather than being lazy and just asking the same question that has already been asked a hundred times before, they would find their answer a lot quicker and the rest of us who have been helping so many other people would not feel we would have to rehash the same answer again. It's like being in class, the teacher explains something, and then 10 other people raise their hand and ask the teacher about the exact thing the teacher just went over, so now the teacher has to stop class, explain it again, and then 10 more kids raise their hands and ask the same, exact question. It pollutes the forums with the same questions and then the same answers.
We weren't being mean about saying no root, but what just happened was pure luck, especially with the bootloader unlock.
BTW, I think I did see a pig fly in Minecraft yesterday, so I guess they did fly which makes sense. :laugh:
In the end, we are all very happy for those that have locked bootloaders because now, they can root and then unlock this phone. But, they need to do it NOW before the next OTA comes out. And I can guarantee you that those who fail to do it will be back on here asking the same question over and over again. So, let's spread the word and beg and plead that these people root their phones now and unlock the bootloader so that when the next OTA comes out in the next couple of weeks, they won't have to worry about another root exploit, if at all.
Again, those with locked bootloaders got real lucky.
As far as warranty goes, who cares. The phone is old (18+ months) and most people who have turned in their locked phones for warranty have gotten their replacement without having to pay anything, so the company will accept them and they don't charge for it. Besides, would you rather have an unlocked phone knowing you can have root no matter what the next OTA does or do you want to wait and have to do an exploit? Sideloading is SO much easier and just requires a reboot into a custom recovery (like TWRP) and then you do an "adb sideload" and you reboot and your done. Pretty easy, no muss, no fuss.
billycar11 said:
they were right at the time and now things have changed the community as a whole was just really annoyed about getting the same question so much so they were frustrated and i know users who missed out were even more frustrated with not being able to do what they want with there phones so don't take your frustration out on people who were trying to tell you the right answer at the time , take it out on your boot loader and unlock it yayayayay
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Being annoyed by the question is not the same as the quest. In fact the question had not been asked before.
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Feel free to explain to me what was helpful about your posts?
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It wasn't a post. It was a question. Questions are not meant to help anyone but the asker. Being that I was the asker and people that had no idea about actual development decided to answer, I am in fact the best person do judge whether or not they were helpful.
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Past has shown that as old as these phones are, a new root exploit, when all others have been patched, never occurs.
What just happened was luck:
Someone was working on a root exploit not specific to this phone AND you got lucky that it worked for the RAZR HD/MAXX/M.
You got REAL lucky with Motorola basically screwing up and re-introducing the bootloader unlock exploit. This was patched with version 9.18 last year and has been unavailable since then. THIS was dumb luck, period. Well, dumb on the part of Motorola for somehow falling back to the old code that is located on a protected zone of the phone. This was the ONLY way it could have be re-introduced and this RARELY happens, so again, dumb luck.
However, there is another OTA coming (I was just emailed asking to participate in it yesterday). I'm pretty sure it will fix the Towelroot exploit (all 2013 phones running 4.4.2 as well as any 4.4.2 kernel whose date is >= 6/3/2014 disallow the Towelroot exploit) as well as the bootloader exploit.
So, now is your chance to root and unlock the bootloader and it's high time everyone takes advantage of this because we will get the same questions, over and over again when the next OTA comes out.
Our main point, as has been stated, was if people would just search and read, rather than being lazy and just asking the same question that has already been asked a hundred times before, they would find their answer a lot quicker and the rest of us who have been helping so many other people would not feel we would have to rehash the same answer again. It's like being in class, the teacher explains something, and then 10 other people raise their hand and ask the teacher about the exact thing the teacher just went over, so now the teacher has to stop class, explain it again, and then 10 more kids raise their hands and ask the same, exact question. It pollutes the forums with the same questions and then the same answers.
We weren't being mean about saying no root, but what just happened was pure luck, especially with the bootloader unlock.
BTW, I think I did see a pig fly in Minecraft yesterday, so I guess they did fly which makes sense. :laugh:
In the end, we are all very happy for those that have locked bootloaders because now, they can root and then unlock this phone. But, they need to do it NOW before the next OTA comes out. And I can guarantee you that those who fail to do it will be back on here asking the same question over and over again. So, let's spread the word and beg and plead that these people root their phones now and unlock the bootloader so that when the next OTA comes out in the next couple of weeks, they won't have to worry about another root exploit, if at all.
Again, those with locked bootloaders got real lucky.
As far as warranty goes, who cares. The phone is old (18+ months) and most people who have turned in their locked phones for warranty have gotten their replacement without having to pay anything, so the company will accept them and they don't charge for it. Besides, would you rather have an unlocked phone knowing you can have root no matter what the next OTA does or do you want to wait and have to do an exploit? Sideloading is SO much easier and just requires a reboot into a custom recovery (like TWRP) and then you do an "adb sideload" and you reboot and your done. Pretty easy, no muss, no fuss.
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First off, my phone was an insurance replacement, not a **** up "oops I accidentally updated"
But I have to ask you, when you decided to answer originally, did you actual contemplate the question? Or did you assume that it was the same that had been asked before? I assure you that if you had thought about it, you would have considered the plausibility of an answer other than no. (yes and maybe being the alternatives). The post didn't ask you how to do it. And also, EXACTLY what would the OP search for to find an answer. KitKat was still in Soak Test at the time of the OP, but the all knowing non developers seemed to have the answer (this seems unacceptable). I think if the question had been pondered by the respondents they would have realized the question had not been asked before.
1. Historically, new root an boot loader exploits have been found AFTER an update has been released.
2. Historically there has not been a phone that jumped an entire cycle of updates to a new release. And that is hundreds of phones over many OSs over many iterations.
3. The idea that it was plausible should have been at the forefront of peoples minds, because the boot loader was required to be changed. There have been many posts about the nature of root being changed in kitkat. So the jump would absolutely open up risk to exploit.
4. Google wants devices to be open. Did no one think it was plausible that the exploit would be reintroduced after the hand off to Lenovo?
So I ask again, the present situation not withstanding, do you honestly think that anyone answered my question? A bunch of people tired of reading a similar question, giving the answer to a different question. As a member and contributor to the xda community for quite a while now, I've learned that it's important to actually answer the question that's actually asked and not assume the OP is not fully aware of the question they are asking. Especially if the qualify the question in the first place to differentiate it from the question he knows responders are going to assume the OP is asking. Cheers.
P.S. The idea that any of you were actually being "helpful" is cockypop.
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P.S. The idea that any of you were actually being "helpful" is cockypop.
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I apologize if it came off gruff, but we have been helpful before, it just gets aggravating when it appears as if someone didn't do their due diligence in doing actual research, especially if when we've answered the same question numerous times.
In the future, I'll work at being more helpful and if it's the same question that I've already answered, maybe instead of going off, I can just wait for someone else to answer, especially if I've already typed the same answer numerous times to other people.
In any case, whether you think it's poppycock or not, we are genuinely happy for everyone that has now had a second chance at unlocking the bootloader with this "mistake" from Motorola. I just hope everyone takes advantage of it.
^^^I won't apologize for appearing "gruff."
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I don't feel asinine, in the least bit. What happened was pure, dumb luck (or someone at Moto "accidentally" putting the TZ back into the KK update). You all also got lucky when someone decided to try out Motopocalypse just for the hell of it. At the time, there was no "path" to the unlock and every experienced dev (I'm no dev) was under the notion this would never happen. Thanks for bringing this up, I always enjoy a good discussion. I was wrong, the devs were wrong, the experts were wrong.
ill just leave this here
im not getting involved in this bickering, ill just say this:
-it took Dan (a security expert by trade) a long time to find the BL unlock. so when he says "it will never happen again", i tend to belive him. therefore "the never going to happen" post by others.
-i highly doubt moto forgot on purpose to apply the known exploit patches, or let us have it back on purpose, so someone over there is probably fired right about now.
-had geohot not found a blanket root, something that is quite rare, there still would be no root as no one is actively trying.
so, however it may have not been worded in the best manner, the assumptions at the time of the op were accurate.
that will be all, as you were....
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Leaving Verizon.
Sharpie603 said:
Recently Verizon has shown their true colors. They do NOT want to give us control of a device that we bought and paid for. (That's like buying a radio that only plays Country).
In my eyes. If we pay you monthly then why do you care what we do with our device? We own it right?
However, after days of researching and very knowledgeable co-workers..... The solution is here.
ODIN 3.10. That's Correct. ODIN 3.10 has the ability to look past the locked bootloader and grant access to roll back. This was not made to be public but (Thank GOD) was leaked on Aug 26th.
You can download ODIN 3.10 here: http://www.theandroidsoul.com/download/download-odin-3-10-6/
I have not yet tried to root after rolling back to the BOA8 Kernel. Anyone want to test this out and let me know if you were able to root after downgrading?
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So you were able to downgrade from OG5 to OA8, just by using the 3.10 version of ODIN? Has anybody else tried this yet?
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So you were able to downgrade from OG5 to OA8, just by using the 3.10 version of ODIN? Has anybody else tried this yet?
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Just the Kernel, not the firmware. Which in reality.... Serves no purpose.... The bootloader still remains locked and prevents from downgrading the firmware. However, this method works for downgrading kernels...
I'm still looking into ways to obtain root with a downgraded kernel. Not saying it's possible, but I'm not giving up just yet.
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Just the Kernel, not the firmware. Which in reality.... Serves no purpose.... The bootloader still remains locked and prevents from downgrading the firmware. However, this method works for downgrading kernels...
I'm still looking into ways to obtain root with a downgraded kernel. Not saying it's possible, but I'm not giving up just yet.
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I'm definitely following this thread!!! Thanks for the info Sharpie603!!! Man... I really hope you're successful!!! I'm ROOTing for you! (Pun intended! Damn I'm funny! No?!?! Anyone???) LOL
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Just the Kernel, not the firmware. Which in reality.... Serves no purpose.... The bootloader still remains locked and prevents from downgrading the firmware. However, this method works for downgrading kernels...
I'm still looking into ways to obtain root with a downgraded kernel. Not saying it's possible, but I'm not giving up just yet.
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Ah, OK, that makes sense so the thinking is if you are on OG5 with the locked bootloader that you could downgrade the kernel and then root. I'll be following closely as well.
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Ah, OK, that makes sense so the thinking is if you are on OG5 with the locked bootloader that you could downgrade the kernel and then root. I'll be following closely as well.
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Not looking very promising.
Can you downgrade APNHLOS?
Terribly misleading title. OE1 and OG5 didn't do anything about locking the kernel, they were bootloader locks. As you said, unless you can downgrade which you can't. The only way this would be useful is if we could get root by only downgrading the kernel, which we cannot. We could access safestrap if we HAD root access, because we could flash the NI2 kernel to get access, but no root = no safestrap.
I don't think you made a discovery, I think you just came across what wasn't stated bluntly, simply because it wasn't necessary information to tell people. As for your quest to find a way to root.... I'm just going to say, have fun.
In regards to the OP's statement - Verizon could care less about the rooting community and allowing you to do what you want with your "owned" devices. Verizon and AT&T locked the phones down tight as they should because this is a portable personal computer with all your financial information being transferred back and forth. Tightening the security of the phone against hackers trying to steal all your information and identity had the unfortunate side effect of making root near impossible currently. The device performs exactly as advertised on the box and in the specifications. Your analogy of a radio stuck on country is a poor one. Think more like you bought a car and it will not go 200 miles an hour. There is nothing preventing you from purchasing a car that can, or replacing the engine to do so which would have other downfalls such as gas mileage going to crap. In the same analogy you can purchase a T-Mobile motherboard, swap it out, be able to root, but not get certain LTE bands. Verizon has not targeted you at all...you can blame the hackers constantly trying to get information off the phones. Verizon and AT&T took steps to try to prevent that and of course increase profits by being rated the most secure phones out there. Verizon never gave you the keys to root...ever! So they are not keeping this info from you. Just like every device that took a little time to find root, it is up to you and the developers to find away around it.
This is the same as saying Acme safe company is trying to keep you from being rich because they made their safes more secure.
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Terribly misleading title. OE1 and OG5 didn't do anything about locking the kernel, they were bootloader locks. As you said, unless you can downgrade which you can't. The only way this would be useful is if we could get root by only downgrading the kernel, which we cannot. We could access safestrap if we HAD root access, because we could flash the NI2 kernel to get access, but no root = no safestrap.
I don't think you made a discovery, I think you just came across what wasn't stated bluntly, simply because it wasn't necessary information to tell people. As for your quest to find a way to root.... I'm just going to say, have fun.
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The title is not misleading at all. It does exactly what I described. Gives you the ability to downgrade the Kernel. and the Kernel only. I clearly mentioned this in post #3 that this still leaves the bootloader locked. then in later posts went on to mention that it looks like we are still SOL. Take it how you want, sorry for actively trying to find a solution...
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In regards to the OP's statement - Verizon could care less about the rooting community and allowing you to do what you want with your "owned" devices. Verizon and AT&T locked the phones down tight as they should because this is a portable personal computer with all your financial information being transferred back and forth. Tightening the security of the phone against hackers trying to steal all your information and identity had the unfortunate side effect of making root near impossible currently. The device performs exactly as advertised on the box and in the specifications. Your analogy of a radio stuck on country is a poor one. Think more like you bought a car and it will not go 200 miles an hour. There is nothing preventing you from purchasing a car that can, or replacing the engine to do so which would have other downfalls such as gas mileage going to crap. In the same analogy you can purchase a T-Mobile motherboard, swap it out, be able to root, but not get certain LTE bands. Verizon has not targeted you at all...you can blame the hackers constantly trying to get information off the phones. Verizon and AT&T took steps to try to prevent that and of course increase profits by being rated the most secure phones out there. Verizon never gave you the keys to root...ever! So they are not keeping this info from you. Just like every device that took a little time to find root, it is up to you and the developers to find away around it.
This is the same as saying Acme safe company is trying to keep you from being rich because they made their safes more secure.
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I'm not worried about my phone being hacked. I have nothing to hide. I do not bank online or make purchases online. If there is fraudulent activity on my bank account, my credit union will inform me. This is besides the fact. I could care less if I made a "bad" analogy. I'm not sitting here thinking "Hmmm I wonder if anyone will have a problem with this statement" when writing up a comment. Your paragraph is nothing but slander "Something XDA strongly discourages". A simple "I don't think this will work, and here's why" would of been suffice.
On a side note. I'm leaving Verizon so you won't have to worry about me trying to find root and help you guys out anymore.
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The title is not misleading at all. It does exactly what I described. Gives you the ability to downgrade the Kernel. and the Kernel only. I clearly mentioned this in post #3 that this still leaves the bootloader locked. then in later posts went on to mention that it looks like we are still SOL. Take it how you want, sorry for actively trying to find a solution...
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It is misleading because you mark it as solved as if it was a puzzle that nobody else can figured out, like you had new information to provide. If I'm not mistaken, the kernel was never locked, and you can use any Odin to push a different kernel. It was never a question if the kernel was locked. So you didn't do anything except state what was redundant. The people who confirm that the bootloader is locked say so because it means you can't downgrade. They didn't say you can still downgrade the kernel because it's absolutely meaningless. That's like saying, the bootloader is locked, but you can still Odin and flash any file you want even if it doesn't work.
There are countless people like you in other threads who claim they're trying to find a way to root. Neither you nor I are smart enough to come up with an exploit, as I have detailed countless times before. So why don't we leave that up to the developers?
Sharpie603 said:
I'm not worried about my phone being hacked. I have nothing to hide. I do not bank online or make purchases online. If there is fraudulent activity on my bank account, my credit union will inform me. This is besides the fact. I could care less if I made a "bad" analogy. I'm not sitting here thinking "Hmmm I wonder if anyone will have a problem with this statement" when writing up a comment. Your paragraph is nothing but slander "Something XDA strongly discourages". A simple "I don't think this will work, and here's why" would of been suffice.
On a side note. I'm leaving Verizon so you won't have to worry about me trying to find root and help you guys out anymore.
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It doesn't matter if you don't care yourself, because you are not everyone. You are a single person. If you were everyone, obviously Verizon wouldn't make money off you, and wouldn't secure their phones. But this is flawed reasoning yet again.
A bad analogy shows you have flawed reasoning. It doesn't matter if you care or not, you don't have a problem with stating things that don't make sense, then by all means, continue (which I don't even have to say, because you do indeed continue).
Slander? Are you serious? You acknowledge the reason for his post, which claims you have a bad analogy, and explains why Verizon does what it does. Then you make an insane, baseless claim that says xda discourages root. Yet XDA was where the original root method was released in detail, with the newsworthy 18k bouty.
Why does he need to explain why it wouldn't work, when you yourself have already done that? It's the same when you responded to me. You answer your own question but then argue against people when they confirm with your latter findings that it doesn't work?
I don't understand why people like you are so happy to see 1 posters support you, but then immediately get hostile when anyone with any knowledge comes in to speak. You running from Verizon doesn't solve any problems and shows you weren't invested to begin with, which is fine, since you wouldn't have accomplished anything anyway. Unless you're claiming to be smarter than those who found the original root.
You want to know why it won't work? All these people have similar ideas to yours, they either want root, or want to "try" with little to no knowledge at all about what they are doing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62378933&postcount=19
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62380538&postcount=23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5/help/vz-replacement-s5-oe1-t3190365
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...g5-verizon-t3192598/post62746265#post62746265
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It is misleading because you mark it as solved as if it was a puzzle that nobody else can figured out, like you had new information to provide. If I'm not mistaken, the kernel was never locked, and you can use any Odin to push a different kernel. It was never a question if the kernel was locked. So you didn't do anything except state what was redundant. The people who confirm that the bootloader is locked say so because it means you can't downgrade. They didn't say you can still downgrade the kernel because it's absolutely meaningless. That's like saying, the bootloader is locked, but you can still Odin and flash any file you want even if it doesn't work.
There are countless people like you in other threads who claim they're trying to find a way to root. Neither you nor I are smart enough to come up with an exploit, as I have detailed countless times before. So why don't we leave that up to the developers?
It doesn't matter if you don't care yourself, because you are not everyone. You are a single person. If you were everyone, obviously Verizon wouldn't make money off you, and wouldn't secure their phones. But this is flawed reasoning yet again.
A bad analogy shows you have flawed reasoning. It doesn't matter if you care or not, you don't have a problem with stating things that don't make sense, then by all means, continue (which I don't even have to say, because you do indeed continue).
Slander? Are you serious? You acknowledge the reason for his post, which claims you have a bad analogy, and explains why Verizon does what it does. Then you make an insane, baseless claim that says xda discourages root. Yet XDA was where the original root method was released in detail, with the newsworthy 18k bouty.
Why does he need to explain why it wouldn't work, when you yourself have already done that? It's the same when you responded to me. You answer your own question but then argue against people when they confirm with your latter findings that it doesn't work?
I don't understand why people like you are so happy to see 1 posters support you, but then immediately get hostile when anyone with any knowledge comes in to speak. You running from Verizon doesn't solve any problems and shows you weren't invested to begin with, which is fine, since you wouldn't have accomplished anything anyway. Unless you're claiming to be smarter than those who found the original root.
You want to know why it won't work? All these people have similar ideas to yours, they either want root, or want to "try" with little to no knowledge at all about what they are doing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62378933&postcount=19
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62380538&postcount=23
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s5/help/vz-replacement-s5-oe1-t3190365
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...g5-verizon-t3192598/post62746265#post62746265
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Listen I came here thinking I found a way. In no way was trying to start a war among like minded individuals. All you are doing is trying to ream me out for what? For a mistake I made, thinking I had a solution? Way to be professional. Sorry for cluttering the forum. Sorry for everything I have done thus far. Sorry for bothering you sir. Sorry for not being as knowledgeable as you are. I'm sorry for everything! F*ck
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Listen I came here thinking I found a way. In no way was trying to start a war among like minded individuals. All you are doing is trying to ream me out for what? For a mistake I made, thinking I had a solution? Way to be professional. Sorry for cluttering the forum. Sorry for everything I have done thus far. Sorry for bothering you sir. Sorry for not being as knowledgeable as you are. I'm sorry for everything! F*ck
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The problem is, you just assume things without actually comprehending what people say. That's why you believe this is apparently a war. Ream you out? You miss the entire point, repeatedly. All it is is people telling you why your statements don't make any sense.
Sharpie603 said:
I'm not worried about my phone being hacked. I have nothing to hide. I do not bank online or make purchases online. If there is fraudulent activity on my bank account, my credit union will inform me. This is besides the fact. I could care less if I made a "bad" analogy. I'm not sitting here thinking "Hmmm I wonder if anyone will have a problem with this statement" when writing up a comment. Your paragraph is nothing but slander "Something XDA strongly discourages". A simple "I don't think this will work, and here's why" would of been suffice.
On a side note. I'm leaving Verizon so you won't have to worry about me trying to find root and help you guys out anymore.
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As stated that is just YOU. 99.9% of people do not want their phone hacked or their identity stolen.
How is stating the facts slander? And I think I would know best what is encouraged here and what isn't. Now you are just lashing out for no reason and making no sense.
I guess we can close this as you wished. Thanks for trying.
The community was full of talented developers and modders that would put their all into it. Even when a update was in testing developers was still able to get us a copy so that we didn't have to wait for the carrier dragging their feet. We had guarantee root and unroot methods. People would answer questions when asked. Threads would always got comments no matter the topic. I don't know what happened to this great community. Almost seem like people don't care to much anymore. I come here almost every day and it's no new activity. Could it be this device or did xda-developers really change?
It's this device. Unless we get a bootloader unlock, you'll see the same activity pretty much every single day. If you check out the Exynos version of this device, activity is splendid and dev support is pretty well. Many of us knew that this device would stay locked, and you as well should have known before purchasing this device.
xWolf is 99% right.
Our devices are locked down, not a lot you can do when the bootloader is encrypted. The old days of leaked keys and hacked bootloader's are pretty much over.
The other 1% is the communities attitude. We have people running full stock down talking people who want to root. We have people who don't read and flash things that were never meant for their device. Then there are the people who attack developers for not doing things how they want... that's just in the T-Mobile S7 edge forums.
I have multiple phones. Some my daily driver like the s7 are mostly stock running the U firmware, but my G3 is still being developed I have Nougat on my G3... my S4 is still developed, and my s6 is slow but there are a few dedicated folks doing stuff. I have been part of XDA for about a decade soft and hard bricked more than a few phones working with devs to test things and the last few years the community has been flooded with people who don't deserve the time and effort these devs put into their work.
Sorry rant over...
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problem is things like samsung pay which are awesome. As we switch to a smartphone taking over PC's for standard users development like this will die. I miss the old days too. I just wish I could overclock my cpu/gpu on my S7 and still have samsung pay. Not having to carry my wallet is nice.
This isn't specific to the T-Mo forums, unfortunately. Though there does seem to be more virtual foot-traffic in the AT&T realm (I'm an AT&T user), it essentially amounts to the same level of traction.
I concur with what others have said, and honestly - I don't care about root at this point. Phones do most everything that I want (custom launcher, etc), but the one thing that drives me insane is the lack of ability to do a nandroid backup. I cannot stand that - after all this time on Android - Google has not made this a possibility without root. Light users don't and won't care, but then again they aren't on XDA in the first place. Those of us that are want to be able to backup things in a "snapshot" type of way, so we don't have to start from scratch. Helium, and similar apps only go so far (not nearly far enough, IMO) to band-aid this.
This phone isn't geared toward the "XDA user" in the first place. 99.9% of people who use this device have no idea what a nandroid is and how it benefits them. And honestly, on a stock device, I also fail to see the utility of snapshot backups. I get why they exist but how often does the casual user wipe their device to make it worthwhile? Also, space is still pretty limited on mobile devices. Google will never bring this functionality to Android, but I would not complain if they had a backup utility similar to Apple's iTunes, which restores everything from a computer. That actually makes sense, and I am surprised that Google has not made something similar.
That being said, there are plenty of excellent devices that offer you what you want. Everything is a trade-off.
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The community was full of talented developers and modders that would put their all into it. Even when a update was in testing developers was still able to get us a copy so that we didn't have to wait for the carrier dragging their feet. We had guarantee root and unroot methods. People would answer questions when asked. Threads would always got comments no matter the topic. I don't know what happened to this great community. Almost seem like people don't care to much anymore. I come here almost every day and it's no new activity. Could it be this device or did xda-developers really change?
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Come to the V20. You have to follow the hardware to play you cant go with what has the best hardware all the time.