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No leak thank imnuts

Well team black hat won't be releasing 2.3.4 bc imnuts filed copyright suit even tho cwm is an open source work.
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papi92 said:
Well team black hat won't be releasing 2.3.4 bc imnuts filed copyright suit even tho cwm is an open source work.
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Seriously??? Does imnuts care to defend this? What are we? 5yrs old?

It's all on p3droid twitter
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Well i guess time will tell. Both are an asset to the community

i will just say this, rather than jumping all over imnuts who has done a lot for this community...consider his side of this as well rather than just what one person says

suzook said:
I just read it. Imnuts is a ****. Wtf is his problem? P3droid should release it without recovery. It dosnt work anyway!
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I am usually not one to get into arguments but are you really going to start bashing on imnuts? P3Droid used his work without his permission and ended up making some money on the leak using imnuts' recovery.
I know you can argue that you are paying for the TBH app to get the leak early and the hosting charges but in the end it is not right.

You don't have to buy the app in 24 hours it goes public. Second its open source. He doesn't make us pay for his leaks. He gives us an option to get it early. P3droid buys the leaked software. It isn't free. It's hilarious that people think they own open source software. You don't people thanking koush everytime a cwr is released. This is a joke and people should grow up. All this does is hurt the community. All imnuts is doing is putting himself above the community and it's a community of open source.
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papi92
You are telling people to grow up? You are the one who started this thread...

If you would take a look at both sides twitter accounts even you would see that imnuts is hardly pouting over this, and that p3droid was the one ignoring imnuts' attempts to talk to him about using his file. If p3droid would have responded and not blocked/deleted his posts I bet we would have a leak by now. Seems like a publicity by p3droid, I appreciate the leaks coming from him I even bought the app just to have early access, but this twitter fight of his without even responding to imnuts is bs.
I don't see why he can't release a leak without recovery. We are smart enough to use the CWR imnuts supplied us for free without being spoon fed the exact file from p3droid.
I dont think it's fair for anyone to bash imnuts over this, when if p3droid didnt want this to happen he could have avoided it easily IMO.

papi92 said:
Well team black hat won't be releasing 2.3.4 bc imnuts filed copyright suit even tho cwm is an open source work.
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So, since it is open source, why can't TBH modify CWR to work with the Charge Themselves?
Oh Wait, because they dont know how....So they took an already altered CWR done by a different and packaged it with their software WITHOUT PERMISSION.
Open Source just means they are more than welcome to alter it on their own, doesn't give them permission to package someone else's work altering into a package and make money off of it.
Which is what they did. I support Imnuts on this, Papi, you need to grow up.

FURTHERMORE:
Want to answer the questions as to why P3droid blocked Imnuts on twitter, they knew they used another dev's work without permission.

According to twitter the reason we won't see a leak without recovery is that imnuts letter took down the servers for 15 days.

papi92 said:
You don't have to buy the app in 24 hours it goes public. Second its open source. He doesn't make us pay for his leaks. He gives us an option to get it early. P3droid buys the leaked software. It isn't free. It's hilarious that people think they own open source software. You don't people thanking koush everytime a cwr is released. This is a joke and people should grow up. All this does is hurt the community. All imnuts is doing is putting himself above the community and it's a community of open source.
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#1 its 48 HOURS before it was public
#2 if you think TBH isn't trying to profit on this, I've got some Ocean Front property in Arizona I'd love to sell you.
I mean really, if it weren't for profit, they wouldn't make their TBH App AND their Odin Maker App cost anything and just ask for donations like every other dev on this forum.

I'm grateful for the work of imnuts and p3droid. I've used both of their kernels. I don't know enough about the details, but lets not attack those that have given us their development for free.

I've seen the amount they make. They lose more then they gain. You don't see koush complaining bc people didn't ask to use his source. People kang all the time you don't see people filing copyright suits.
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Meh... Im just sad we won't be getting a 2.3.4 leak. I can understand it though... If my servers were taken offline I don't think I would feel very friendly to the community afterwards.

Both have done great things for the community. I'm sad that they can't work together and make the community even stronger. Let's hope that we can eventually put this event behind us.
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papi92 said:
I've seen the amount they make. They lose more then they gain. You don't see koush complaining bc people didn't ask to use his source. People kang all the time you don't see people filing copyright suits.
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Koush can't fix cwr himself, why do you think everyone had to modify it to work? And frankly, you can thank jt1134 for cwr.
Tbh asking people to pay for an app that contains a leak is just bad publicity. Never once have I EVER had to pay money to get a leak. I happily donate, but being forced to pay? No thanks.

papi92 said:
I've seen the amount they make. They lose more then they gain. You don't see koush complaining bc people didn't ask to use his source. People kang all the time you don't see people filing copyright suits.
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So, why didn't they just talk to Imnuts instead of blocking him on twitter and deleting his posts from their Forums?
If they aren't doing anything frowned upon, why not communicate with each other?

I personally applaud imnuts conviction. It may not be the most popular position to take against some one who is getting leaks for you, but if not where does it end? Does everyone here want to be forced to pay for every little thing they get. Every rom, kernel, recovery, leak, app, or whatever? If you like someones work then donate, if not you should not be forced to pay. This community should be about sharing not trying to make a quick buck every chance you get.

Anyone wanna join #Release the Source

The announcement of the O2x receiving an ISC OTA in the 2nd quarter ( anyone really believe that ) will probably be the end of support for our phones . Well this is my last stand to get the source to our devs please join her just copy #Releasethesource and paste here
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=334420639902596
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Thanks guys

Release source from nvidia? Sorry, but won't happen. They already said they wouldn't be part of open source, but if the O2X gets ICS, we get it too (by porting and whatnot).
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It hurts to try I guess...

newnoobkid said:
The announcement of the O2x receiving an ISC OTA in the 2nd quarter ( anyone really believe that ) will probably be the end of support for our phones . Well this is my last stand to get the source to our devs please join her just copy #Releasethesource and paste here
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=334420639902596
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that's because you spammed them with too many comments
newnoobkid said:
It hurts to try I guess...
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don't you mean it doesn't hurt to try?
and no it doesn't, but like stated above, nvidia won't release their source code, no matter how much we ask

The only method that may work is for a company which litigates against NVIDIA for patent or intellectual property infringement. The litigation may force disclosure of source code but, if it does, the documents will probably be sealed by the court so that only the litigant(s) will have access.

Core Memory said:
The only method that may work is for a company which litigates against NVIDIA for patent or intellectual property infringement. The litigation may force disclosure of source code but, if it does, the documents will probably be sealed by the court so that only the litigant(s) will have access.
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What you talking bout Willis?

newnoobkid said:
What you talking bout Willis?
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Reread it, makes perfect sense.
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newnoobkid said:
What you talking bout Willis?
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Basically, say a partner of LG can't get a part to work with the G3x, and its because they dont have access to drivers. They go to court with nvidia, nvidia shares source code with said company, and that's where it ends. Said company wouldn't be allowed to share with the public, unless granted permission by nvidia, which WON'T happen.
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Or Google could bring litigation against nvidia or better yet LG. Since nvidia said it would be LG that would release the HAL and that they shouldn't. For violating open source.

r.snyder said:
Or Google could bring litigation against nvidia or better yet LG. Since nvidia said it would be LG that would release the HAL and that they shouldn't. For violating open source.
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So who should I beg?

newnoobkid said:
So who should I beg?
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Apparently no one. Nvidia/LG want the benefits of open source but want to keep anything nvidia makes proprietary.

Anyone feel like explaining how the whole binary blob thing bypasses open source rules?
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newnoobkid said:
So who should I beg?
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Just stop trying, its not gonna work. Understand that.
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[Q] Reward?

I am willing to give a reward of a bonafide Windows 8 Pro x86/x64 retail license to the person who successfully solves the problem of getting the G2X Qualcomm mdm6600 radio/modem fully working with the CM10.1 or stock LG ICS kernel or the kernel that is being worked on by AdamPK, Mazout360, etc. If I determine that more than one person has made a significant contribution to achieving that, I will give the same reward to them too. But, before I make that official, I want opinions about doing that.
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The code required to achieve success must be fully documented and publicly available to enable others to use it successfully too.
UPDATE
The poll ended overwhelmingly in favour of me rewarding development which gets the Qualcomm mdm6600 modem/radio working fully with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel.
There's no expectation or obligation of anyone to accept the reward of a bonafide Windows 8 Pro x86/x64 license for accomplishing the development goal.
The reward will be awarded after the goal is accomplished which is proven by the full/complete operation of the G2X and its Qualcomm mdm6600 radio/modem with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel and the submission, to me, of documentation of the method used, in the form of fully commented source code which can be understood by a person competent in the programming language used so that it can be used for verification and for further development.
If there is a dispute as to who ultimately accomplished the goal of getting the Qualcomm mdm6600 modem/radio working fully with an ICS/CM9/JB/CM10.1 ROM and Kernel, it will be resolved by examination of relevant documentation which I will use to determine the reward recipient(s). If more than one person, determined by me exclusively, contributed substantially to achieving the goal, each of those persons will be eligible to receive the same reward. If anyone who is eligible to receive the reward doesn't want it they may forego receiving it.
The content of this post is subject to change due to errors and/or ommissions and/or illegality.

37 views so far and only 2 votes? WTH! Apathy?

Core Memory said:
37 views so far and only 2 votes? WTH! Apathy?
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Well, you're essentially spamming people. What did you expect?

This won't incentivize cooperation which looks necessary to me.
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im about ready to just buy another g2x and send tonyp my old one lol

In another phone section [Galaxy S Blaze] everyone chipped in to buy a developer a phone. I would totally do it for a seasoned developer who can likely fix the radio issue. A G2x isn't really that expensive.
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I voted no just because i think it will take more than one person on the other hand if a random badass dev wants to just make it happen really quick then ill change my vote. P. S Ali ba your signature is pretty freaking funny
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Bulletblitz27 said:
In another phone section [Galaxy S Blaze] everyone chipped in to buy a developer a phone. I would totally do it for a seasoned developer who can likely fix the radio issue. A G2x isn't really that expensive.
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i agree. they go for around 150 on craigslist, so if we had 6 people donate $25 just one time out of their friday paycheck, we might be able to really get somewhere with our phone developmentally, AND we could say we did it as a community which i think would be pretty freakin cool.:good:

monte666 said:
I voted no just because i think it will take more than one person on the other hand if a random badass dev wants to just make it happen really quick then ill change my vote. P. S Ali ba your signature is pretty freaking funny
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No changing votes.

BuddhaTeh1337 said:
i agree. they go for around 150 on craigslist, so if we had 6 people donate $25 just one time out of their friday paycheck, we might be able to really get somewhere with our phone developmentally, AND we could say we did it as a community which i think would be pretty freakin cool.:good:
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That would be helpful but how would that be accomplished? Regardless, I have decided what my contribution will be and how it will be awarded.

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Well, you're essentially spamming people. What did you expect?
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A thread that people can post to is not spam but off-topic posts to a thread are.

Does anyone know
if buying a dev a phone would even work? Are there devs willing to work for phones like that?

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if buying a dev a phone would even work? Are there devs willing to work for phones like that?
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I suppose that, if the developer is already doing it, but they don't have a G2X such as tonyp, they would welcome getting one to enable them to do their development much more easily. I think tonyp well deserves getting a G2X for his effort. I don't know about anyone else who doesn't have a G2X who is contributing as much as he has and still is. Wouldn't it be helpful to ask him and, if he wants one, easiest to donate to him directly so that he can buy the phone? I am certain that, if that happened, he would be very pleased.

Unfortunately you can't count me in. I'm lacking the time and probably kernel knowledge to do that.
You need someone who got deep Linux kernel experience and skills.
Btw, offering someone like that a windows license is a little strange
(and just to brag about it: I got plenty of free win 8 licenses thanks to Microsoft MSDN aa ).
A potential dev has to have the phone. It won't work without one, that would take way more time.
The problem with donating a phone upfront is that it introduces expectations. If the dev fails it's always a bad feeling for both sides, that's why there are many devs who don't really like receiving phones.
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I'll throw in the $5 that was donated to me lately.

tonyp said:
Unfortunately you can't count me in. I'm lacking the time and probably kernel knowledge to do that.
You need someone who got deep Linux kernel experience and skills.
Btw, offering someone like that a windows license is a little strange
(and just to brag about it: I got plenty of free win 8 licenses thanks to Microsoft MSDN aa ).
A potential dev has to have the phone. It won't work without one, that would take way more time.
The problem with donating a phone upfront is that it introduces expectations. If the dev fails it's always a bad feeling for both sides, that's why there are many devs who don't really like receiving phones.
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Offering a Windows 8 license isn't that strange even in the Android/Linux community as many use Windows for some purposes that Android/Linux don't fulfil. The reward wouldn't be given until it was "earned". (And, also, but not to brag about it, I was also a member of MSDNAA but I've retired from that now.)
Kernel development/hacking is very difficult so anyone who would do it would have to have the phone anyway so getting the phone one already owns isn't an incentive. You're correct about giving a phone upfront implies that there is the expectation of a beneficial payback to whomever donates the phone which is a good reason not to give one and not to want one.
I am still committed to the reward I am considering offering. So far, the majority are in favour of it. When the poll is over, I will do what the majority wants.

We'd probably need some dev who already works for LG or some other company to get the radio working.. or as stated before, some who understands android coding extremely well such.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't RC work with LG? If so can't he try to contact them about the kernel not supporting the G2x. I refuse to give up even though it seems hopeless at this point lol
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I sent an email asking for assistance to someone at NVIDIA who does supervisory work with Tegra and Linux programming. I hope he replies.

Bulletblitz27 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't RC work with LG? If so can't he try to contact them about the kernel not supporting the G2x. I refuse to give up even though it seems hopeless at this point lol
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He doesn't work for LG but he is in good terms with the developers at LG.
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90 day marker - ICS Source code!

OK HTC ITS BEEN 90 DAYS, YOU KEEP SAYING YOUR SORRY FOR A CRAPPY PHONE HOW ABOUT YOU REDEEM YOURSELVES AND RELEASE THE DAMN SOURCE CODE NOW?
im just saying....

Patience. They can't release until its been 90 days since ota. Now that it has been 90 days they can but it doesn't mean they will. They can wait however long they desire. All I know is were getting closer.
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ang1dust said:
OK HTC ITS BEEN 90 DAYS, YOU KEEP SAYING YOUR SORRY FOR A CRAPPY PHONE HOW ABOUT YOU REDEEM YOURSELVES AND RELEASE THE DAMN SOURCE CODE NOW?
im just saying....
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It will be OK there Catwoman.
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Its 90-120 days people.....
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disconnecktie said:
Its 90-120 days people.....
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They have 45 more days. They will drop the source. But when the update went out they said 45 days to complete. Add that to the 90 by law.
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People, there is no 90-day "rule". Why do people keep repeating this like it's a fact ?

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People, there is no 90-day "rule". Why do people keep repeating this like it's a fact ?
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I think the point is HTC is trying to position themselves as "developer friendly". I'm not sure what the rules are, but it seems pretty unfriendly for them to withhold the code for this long. If they want to be seen as developer friendly, let them start releasing code for all devices at the same time as the OTA, or at least within a couple weeks. I can see them pointing fingers at Verizon for months of delay on the OTA, but delaying the release of the source code is on HTC. It just seems mean spirited as well.
If HTC really wants to indicate they are sorry for how Thunderbolt issues have been handled, they should release the source code.

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People, there is no 90-day "rule". Why do people keep repeating this like it's a fact ?
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HTC is the one that stated that they can wait anywhere for 90-120 days to release their source code to ensure it is of the utmost quality. So all this repetition of it is merely because they made that statement. In response to the other quote about them about adding another 45 days because of the second update. I don't think that they will reset since the second update didn't do anything to the kernel at all.
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HTC is the one that stated that they can wait anywhere for 90-120 days to release their source code to ensure it is of the utmost quality.
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They clearly don't give a sh*t about the GPL as it doesn't allow 90 days or 120 days and that's all that really matters. When they say they can wait any period of time, they're effectively telling people "we'll do it if we feel like it".

Source will be available when HTC decides to publish it. Counting down the supposed days until release won't accomplish anything, nor will creating threads like this one and beating the topic to death. If one wants source, he or she would be better served by harassing HTC on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc... Source will eventually be released though, that is certain...

Go to the link in this thread and ask them directly.
http://www.forums.infectedrom.com/showthread.php?p=74402
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There is no 90 day rule. The GPL requires release of source at the same time the binary is distributed, no ifs, ands, buts.
One of these days, a kernel developer (i.e. someone who holds copyright on part of the kernel) is going to sue them, win, and they will never be able to use the kernel again, per the terms of the GPL. HTC is playing with fire, since a significant part of their business requires use of the Linux kernel.
"You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Program except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Program is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License. "
The GPL provides NO mechanism to regain those lost rights.

The kernel for the thunderbolt contains proprietary information that relates to the svdo technology therefore they can wait.
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The kernel for the thunderbolt contains proprietary information that relates to the svdo technology therefore they can wait.
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No, they can't. You obviously haven't read, or don't understand, GPL2. If they modified the kernel, or linked to it for "the svdo technology," they still have to release it, and that code is not proprietary, but also falls under GPL2.
"when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it."

Some light GPL reading and an explanation about the "free" parts of Android and the "non-free" parts.
Check it out!
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Important firmware or drivers are generally proprietary also. These handle the phone network radio, WiFi, bluetooth, GPS, 3D graphics, the camera, the speaker, and in some cases the microphone too.
On some models, a few of these drivers are free, and there are some that you can do without—but you can't do without the microphone or the phone network radio.
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No, they can't. You obviously haven't read, or don't understand, GPL2. If they modified the kernel, or linked to it for "the svdo technology," they still have to release it, and that code is not proprietary, but also falls under GPL2.
"when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it."
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The code related to svdo is a non free part. You will notice that the rezound also suffers from the same waiting period as the bolt since it to has svdo.
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The code related to svdo is a non free part. You will notice that the rezound also suffers from the same waiting period as the bolt since it to has svdo.
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So what? It may make a difference to what developers are able to do with it (e.g. kernel without the proprietaries doesn't allow a working system to be created), but it doesn't in any way remove their obligation to release the kernel source at the same time they release the kernel binary.
And, I'll admit I don't know how the kernel and the svdo stuff interact. But basically, if it's linked to the kernel (vs. working in userspace), then it's not non-free, as it is required to be released under GPL.

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So what? It may make a difference to what developers are able to do with it (e.g. kernel without the proprietaries doesn't allow a working system to be created), but it doesn't in any way remove their obligation to release the kernel source at the same time they release the kernel binary.
And, I'll admit I don't know how the kernel and the svdo stuff interact. But basically, if it's linked to the kernel (vs. working in userspace), then it's not non-free, as it is required to be released under GPL.
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Sue them then and quit *****ing because they wait 90 days to release source code. Since you obviously know more about the gpl than those of us who work with the stuff then you should even take the lead and make the case for the rest of us. Radio technology is in the kernel or else the antennas wouldn't work. Since this device has svdo technology that is proprietary to Verizon and HTC then yea I would have to say that is a non free license. At any rate go file complaints with HTC and the gpl. It has already been don and it won't do you any good. Have fun with that.
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Sue them then and quit *****ing because they wait 90 days to release source code. Since you obviously know more about the gpl than those of us who work with the stuff then you should even take the lead and make the case for the rest of us. Radio technology is in the kernel or else the antennas wouldn't work. Since this device has svdo technology that is proprietary to Verizon and HTC then yea I would have to say that is a non free license. At any rate go file complaints with HTC and the gpl. It has already been don and it won't do you any good. Have fun with that.
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For someone who works with "the stuff," you're pretty clueless as to how it works. Maybe you should lay off "the stuff" for a while.

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For someone who works with "the stuff," you're pretty clueless as to how it works. Maybe you should lay off "the stuff" for a while.
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Whatever you say chief. I'm guessing you've compiled some kernels and looked through kernel source. I guess we should take your lead and just whine about it the same thing that has plagued the bolt since day one some more just like you seem to do. Quit worrying about the day that kernel source drops and let those that are actually going to do something with the source do the worrying. You clearly don't understand that there is proprietary code in the thunderbolt source code which allows HTC to take their time with the release. I suppose you know that since you are so well versed in kernel source code though....
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Any way to block FBI microphone hack?

http://bgr.com/2013/08/02/fbi-android-microphone-hack/
Anyone know how this works or how to block it?
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umm wow. that is crazy

I know right. I had no idea something like this was possible.
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How the hell could google decline to comment?!?! This story needs to blow up big time and make google have to respond!

Bomb bomb terrorist attack paroxide jihaad president ala Iran Jew plot bin laden Arabian afganistan ...bla bla bla 911 77 government Cameron Obama explosive detonator kill kidnap ....
I wonder if my mic has been switched on?

As long as NSA does not also have this capability I'm ok. FBI still has to get a warrant to spy on someone like this similar to getting a phone tap.
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FBI still has to get a warrant
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As long as NSA does not also have this capability I'm ok. FBI still has to get a warrant to spy on someone like this similar to getting a phone tap.
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And elves live in my garden too.
The government does what ever it wants. The Constitution has become no more than a speedbump to government employees.

anyone?
Any developers have actual thoughts on this question? If the FBI can do it, it stands to reason that anyone can do it. It would be good to know if this exploit can be blocked by root users.

Surprised that XDAers don't want to figure this one out.
Pretty conformist for a site for custom software.

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Surprised that XDAers don't want to figure this one out.
Pretty conformist for a site for custom software.
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How do you know someone is not already working on it? You have to understand that this type of coding would be system wide and hidden very well. It may very well take an entire re-write of the whole OS to remove. Also this is not a custom software site. It is a site to help people learn to do things on their own.

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How do you know someone is not already working on it?
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You'd know better than I would. Are they?

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You'd know better than I would. Are they?
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I wouldn't know any more then you as I am not working on it. This is something that would be kept close to the chest as the min it was released it would be patched. Mainly now that they are using free lance hackers to look for exploits.
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It has to be switched on somewhere. Even if it is system wide...
Htm.... I wonder how much Apple paid for this article....
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X10D3 said:
It has to be switched on somewhere. Even if it is system wide...
Htm.... I wonder how much Apple paid for this article....
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Pretty sure Apple has the same thing built into iOS.
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@jcase might be able to give some insight as to how hard this would be to circumvent,
I would think you'd need a kernel level manual override of drivers where x driver cannot be activated under any circumstance unless you manually allow it, kind of like asking for SU permissions, then you use a third party dialer that you personally coded or something of the sort.
I mean you'd basically have to go through the AOSP code line by line I would think to actually locate this.

orangekid said:
Pretty sure Apple has the same thing built into iOS.
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@jcase might be able to give some insight as to how hard this would be to circumvent,
I would think you'd need a kernel level manual override of drivers where x driver cannot be activated under any circumstance unless you manually allow it, kind of like asking for SU permissions, then you use a third party dialer that you personally coded or something of the sort.
I mean you'd basically have to go through the AOSP code line by line I would think to actually locate this.
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They do say that it's being done by hackers. Usually by an exploit, spyware, etc. There may not be any bugs in AOSP, and it very well could be in carrier/manufacturer programming.

X10D3 said:
They do say that it's being done by hackers. Usually by an exploit, spyware, etc. There may not be any bugs in AOSP, and it very well could be in carrier/manufacturer programming.
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I wouldn't call it a "bug" if it's being purposely put into the code.
What I am getting is it's being done by the FBI, not "hackers."
http://propakistani.pk/2013/08/02/f...r-android-phone-mic-or-laptop-cameras-report/
"Hacker" seems to just be any word the media uses for anyone who does something questionable on a computer or phone.
I use a Nexus 4 (pure AOSP code) and I would think they could do this to my phone just as easily as say an SGS4 or what have you..

This article seems to indicate that it's not a deliberate backdoor, but an actual exploit that's giving them the mic access. They also mention laptops (obviously not running Android) so I think it's more likely they're just hacking these platforms and using their new privileges to turn the mic on.
Also if you think about it, the mic isn't a restricted device on Linux or Windows. You can touch it without any special permission, so they wouldn't have to completely own your device to listen in on you.

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Bomb bomb terrorist attack paroxide jihaad president ala Iran Jew plot bin laden Arabian afganistan ...bla bla bla 911 77 government Cameron Obama explosive detonator kill kidnap ....
I wonder if my mic has been switched on?
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Best laugh I've had all day.
Thank you
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orangekid said:
Pretty sure Apple has the same thing built into iOS.
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@jcase might be able to give some insight as to how hard this would be to circumvent,
I would think you'd need a kernel level manual override of drivers where x driver cannot be activated under any circumstance unless you manually allow it, kind of like asking for SU permissions, then you use a third party dialer that you personally coded or something of the sort.
I mean you'd basically have to go through the AOSP code line by line I would think to actually locate this.
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I call BS on any FBI microphone backdoor without hard evidence. Possibility of state sponsored malware that does it? Certainly exists. Don't install random apps you dont trust, stay away from malware and use an international carrier unbranded phone that gets updates frequently (S4 (GT-i9500) and unbranded HTC One likely fit this description, so do GPE devices). Also, most custom roms are horribly outdated as far as security patches go.

jcase said:
I call BS on any FBI microphone backdoor without hard evidence. Possibility of state sponsored malware that does it? Certainly exists..
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This wouldnt surprise me after reading that they are using free lance hackers to find exploits in different OS.