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[Q] Is RAM and internal memory amount enough?

Hello guys!
AFAIK Sensation has 1 gb of internal storage memory and 768 mbytes of RAM. I hear people say that of that RAM, only ~170 mbytes are available to the user.
Do you experience problems with memory like when applications start to stutter when you start a few of them simultaneously and do you have to delete other apps to make room for new ones (because of ridiculously small internal storage)?

There are no ram issues with the sensation. I'm coming from a g2x which only had 512 and I always had free ram even when I had open everything I normally had open. I constantly had about 95 MB free. With the sensation I constantly have around 150 free with everything open. Someone once said here on the forums. If you constantly have a lot of free then its pretty much wasted ram. And there is 558 or something like that available. The rest is reserved for the gpu. That's the case on many phones and tablets now. They reserve some of the ram for the graphics processor.
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The only ram issues I ran into is after closing Firefox sense would reboot. I'm almost positive its a Firefox issue though. Because that is the only time I had that issue.
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Thanks! But what about the internal storage? Is 1gb enough or will I have to make compromises and delete rarely used apps to make room for new ones?

I haven't had any issues with internal storage yet either. You can alway just move apps to the sd card if you feel like you are losing space.
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komora said:
Thanks! But what about the internal storage? Is 1gb enough or will I have to make compromises and delete rarely used apps to make room for new ones?
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I don't use as many apps as others but I have about 30-40 apps installed and still have 910Mb of free space. Unless you install over 300 apps I think you'll be fine.

As far as the ram goes if I use a launcher other than sense I can get over 200mb free, compared to just over 100 with sense. I like sense alright, but the ram usage does make me a bit worried. Also I had the sense reboot quite a bit when moving between aps and even when waking up the phone, which I think may be a ram issue (though I certainly don't know it could be something else but I don't have to put up with a 5+ second load with other launchers) .
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ury2ok2000 said:
As far as the ram goes if I use a launcher other than sense I can get over 200mb free, compared to just over 100 with sense. I like sense alright, but the ram usage does make me a bit worried. Also I had the sense reboot quite a bit when moving between aps and even when waking up the phone, which I think may be a ram issue (though I certainly don't know it could be something else but I don't have to put up with a 5+ second load with other launchers) .
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Welcome to XDA. Is Sense still running in the background?

galaxys said:
Welcome to XDA. Is Sense still running in the background?
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Thanks.
I really can't imagine that it wouldn't be running in the background in some compacity as the lockscreen and contacts etc are all from htc. Only kinda negative thing is you loose the htc widgets. Also I somehow lost the ability to longtap on the homescreen to edit widgets, but I'm sure that is from me doing something wrong; I just haven't google foo'd the right answer yet.
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ury2ok2000 said:
Thanks.
I really can't imagine that it wouldn't be running in the background in some compacity as the lockscreen and contacts etc are all from htc. Only kinda negative thing is you loose the htc widgets. Also I somehow lost the ability to longtap on the homescreen to edit widgets, but I'm sure that is from me doing something wrong; I just haven't google foo'd the right answer yet.
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Even if you use a launcher sense will still be running in the background. At least that's how it use to be. I think you might be able to kill it at start up with a app like android assistant or something.

I'm waiting for unlocked bootloader so I can hopefully get rid of sense and tmo bloatware. Hopefully the wait won't be too long.
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ury2ok2000 said:
I'm waiting for unlocked bootloader so I can hopefully get rid of sense and tmo bloatware. Hopefully the wait won't be too long.
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+1 Although I dont have the bloat since I have an unbranded sensation

[Q] swiftkey x

Just wondering if anyone has tried swiftkey x on the cdma hero? I was going to get it but I've been seeing some reports of high memory usage (30mb-70mb) depending on the device. I really liked the original swiftkey but if it really does have high memory requirements I'm going to skip it.

It's using 27MB of memory for me right now. If you do buy it, you have 10 minutes to "return" the purchase if you don't like it, or notice issues.
personally I haven't had any though

kyouko said:
It's using 27MB of memory for me right now. If you do buy it, you have 10 minutes to "return" the purchase if you don't like it, or notice issues.
personally I haven't had any though
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Thanks for the screenshot. I haven't purchased it yet and probably won't until I figure out what kind of phone I'm getting next (contract is up soon).
I wonder how the memory footprint as you turn off some of the newer features. Memory is kind of an issue for me since I run tasker and a few other memory resident applications.

The old SwiftKey is my keyboard and I used the beta one for a while. I'm a fan and sure the new version is great. My only problem ever has been that numbers auto correct to 3rd instead of 3 for example but can't speak to the latest version.
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I've got it and it is really quite impressive. It performs unbelievably and I rarely have to type entire words as its predictions are so advanced. Give it a shot. You won't be disappointed. Mine only takes up 7 mb right now, but my experience with SwiftKey is that it gets larger the more you use it. It finally has themes aswell. Gives some options. Hope that helps.
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mtupker said:
Just wondering if anyone has tried swiftkey x on the cdma hero? I was going to get it but I've been seeing some reports of high memory usage (30mb-70mb) depending on the device. I really liked the original swiftkey but if it really does have high memory requirements I'm going to skip it.
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So Swiftkey X was free on the amazon app store today. I went ahead and grabbed it. It's a little slower than the native keyboard on the CDMA Hero but still works pretty well. Can't beat free I guess.

It seems to run about the same as the old version which is definitely usable. If you use it for a while it will make the standard keyboard seem very tedious. I can at times create entire sentences just clicking predictions. I'm glad someone mentioned it was the free amazon app today. Thanks for that. That's how I got the last version too!
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mtupker said:
So Swiftkey X was free on the amazon app store today. I went ahead and grabbed it. It's a little slower than the native keyboard on the CDMA Hero but still works pretty well. Can't beat free I guess.
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Odd, its faster that the stock keyboard for me. Not by much, but it is. Plus the correction is much better so I haven't had to retype one message or fix anything yet. Works great for me.

It's a tiny bit more laggy than the stock keyboard but not laggy overall. SwiftKey has been my favorite for over a year and the new version is the best its ever been in think. Grab it while it's free.
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I've been using it exclusively for about a year and I can say I won't use another keyboard. It does, however, take up a lot of ram on running services. It's worth it to me though. On average it takes about 16md or ram on my phone.
If I didn't use it, I can't imagine how long it would take me to write messages.
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Multitasking Fix?

I believe that one of the devs on here said they found HTC's framework to be killing tasks way before they should be, any chance that this will be documented for use with all 2012 HTC phones? Many phones like the Evo LTE, One X, One S, etc, are running into this issue, and it seems to be a very common problem.

My boyfriends' HTC Raider just received a 4.0.3 update from gingerbread going from sense 3.5 to 3.6, and suddenly multitasking on his is just like my One X... I really loathe this new direction HTC's taking.
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Aviras said:
My boyfriends' HTC Raider just received a 4.0.3 update from gingerbread going from sense 3.5 to 3.6, and suddenly multitasking on his is just like my One X... I really loathe this new direction HTC's taking.
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I read about how there's some HTC code that basically forces tasks to hibernate/kill after a certain amount of time, and I thought that might be a big reason why multitasking is broken.

Why are there still threads about multitasking? The 4.0.4 largely fixes multitasking problem.

thedauntlessone said:
Why are there still threads about multitasking? The 4.0.4 largely fixes multitasking problem.
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No it doesn't. Not even close.
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Since updating this morning, I've found multitasking to be hugely improved. I can go 3 or 4 apps back, that haven't been run in awhile, and they're still sitting in the same spot. In the past they would definitely have had to restart. Really liking the update.
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thedauntlessone said:
Why are there still threads about multitasking? The 4.0.4 largely fixes multitasking problem.
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Because there is no confirmation that they removed the task killing code and reverted back to stock memory management.
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Just install a rom
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brutusbucknuts said:
Since updating this morning, I've found multitasking to be hugely improved. I can go 3 or 4 apps back, that haven't been run in awhile, and they're still sitting in the same spot. In the past they would definitely have had to restart. Really liking the update.
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Ditto. Post AT&T update I've yet to have the multitasking issues. I'm not sure if HTC did something to improve multitasking or if things just aren't flagged to be killed as fast because there is more RAM available upon boot up.
The issue has become a non issue post update for me though.

The update certainly fixed mine, and I HATED it before. Browser no longer reloads when I switch back, nor does Tapatalk, both of which were notorious culprits. Sense doesn't crash when coming out of gameplay now, either.
I went from less than 200mb of free RAM on a reboot to between 350-400mb of free RAM.
To me, multitasking is night and day different on 4.0.4.
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Hunt3r.j2 said:
Because there is no confirmation that they removed the task killing code and reverted back to stock memory management.
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Every other post is saying how much multitasking improved, so go install CleanRom or other 4.0.4 based rom and judge for yourself. I ran 4 apps last night for an hour between Chrome, Facebook, Phone, Message, etc and multitasked them no problem with a ton of screen on/off. None of them had to reload once. It's not perfect, but to say not even close is a retarded statement.

The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it

It does seem to be better on 4.0.4. The one thing that annoys me is that while I don't need to reload pages and all, I do have to get into the recent apps even for apps I don't close out the app. But it's much better than before.

Calkulin said:
The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it
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Huh...interesting. Thanks for the info!

Calkulin said:
The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it
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Cool, that was what I was wondering about.
Looks like there are still things yet to be discovered about the multitasking shenanigans inside our ROMs...

While more ram has indeed solved hangs and reboot issues, I find chrome still reloads, facebook still reloads, among others... For me, multitasking is no different than before and I've so far tried most of the 4.0.4 roms.
So yeah, I'd say multitasking has a ways to go yet, but that's just me... The above user's response is NOT retarded; that's just disrespectful... More like it's just his experience, and as far as user experiences goes, I'm finding the One XL to be really inconsistent.
Still, definitely an improvement. Baby steps.
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Calkulin said:
The main problem with multitasking is that by default, it's limited to 15 apps max, so unless it's running as a service, there can only be 15 apps running at once. And since HTC likes to include all these extra apps, like HTC message uploader, music enhancer, HTC services(runs as an app actually), etc, 15 apps is not a lot, so when a new app is launched, it starts to kill apps no matter how much memory is left.
I've already discovered how to raise the limit, I'm just testing a couple of things before I release it
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You still working on a rom?
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Facebook Home Discussion

Quick recap of today's event. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Liveblog-Facebooks-new-Home-on-Android-announcement_id41518
Anyone else going to try it out? Opinions?

Ooh yes, i really like it! I hope it will be extended to other phones because i havent'got one of those. I think it's a perfect launcher for those that use a lot facebook
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Just don't trust em anymore - Let's see..
I lost trust with Facebook after all the issues they have had with privacy. Also when adding the Facebook Android app about a year ago to my Android phone it basically merged all the pictures and put them in my contact list, sounds fun but it was actually a pain.
Think I'll wait for the reports to come rolling in in this thread before I try it.

Useless waste of resources... So no.
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Using it right now, takes a little bit of time to get used to. But if you use Facebook allot then i say get. The chat heads are pretty useful.
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The best part is chat heads and you can use this without installing Facebook home,just update the FB and FB messanger app and allow chat heads I. Settings ,works great and includes sms
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I started using it day 1 and I think it has potential. It allows me to do what I usually do on my phone, but right from the launcher. I didn't really use widget, but it doesn't prevent you from using the regular launcher. I love the Chat Heads, as it helps with texting and keeping track of who you are talking to. Once you are done, just drag their Head down to close the chat window. I like it cause it reminds me to check if I replied to anyone. Some things I don't like is that there is no way to manage your contacts, save contacts, or anything you can normally do on any SMS app. You have to go to the People or SMS app to do that. I think some stuff will be added/fixed over time. Overall, a pretty good experience once you learn how to use it. Took me 30 minutes to find out my apps were a swipe to the right away. Big learning curve.

Here is the app for those with non compatible devices. Good luck.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232307

itz useless
taking too much of ram n slowing down the phone

rasroh said:
itz useless
taking too much of ram n slowing down the phone
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Not everyone is running high performance apps. As one coworker said, it is iOS for Android in a way. No widgets, just put the apps you will use on the main app window. Everything else is still there, just centered around updates. For most non-power users, it will be fine.
Hey, it is not for everyone. I'm running Mastamoon's CM10.1 unofficial S3, and it runs well for me. Don't like it, just uninstall it.

How to use facebook Home If it is not Supported in my country.
In India

Got it on my htc g2/vision/desire z
I made that my facebook phone, and had before this thread only the fb app installed, got around 5-7days with stock battery and constant w-lan connection
Since fb home I am down to 3d without constant w-lan connection (off over night)
So, although it is very nice and I personally think that this is no lockscreen anymore in a sense of LOCKscreen, so you can go right ahead, it kinda drains very much :/
Will leave it this and maybe next week, but then I'll see how it works out
Also, needing quite much of the little RAM I got there :/
Greets Vauvenal7
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zeuscluts said:
How to use facebook Home If it is not Supported in my country.
In India
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You can try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232307

Best sense 6 cleaner

So I got tired of my phone being weighted down. With unnecessary apk's. So I started to delete some. Then did some more google research. And this is what I found. Works wonders.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2553538
Even made the phone run better and faster without flashing a kernel. Big on battery savings. I haven't even got a fc on anything.
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Reserved
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I am in progress of building a ROM base off of not having all the junk on the phone. Just a nice clean. Smooth running phone.
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blazinandroid1 said:
I am in progress of building a ROM base off of not having all the junk on the phone. Just a nice clean. Smooth running phone.
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Use ACR 2.6 everything is gone. I run it daily with only blinkfeed and h/k audio flashed. Yesterday when I woke up i was at 52% battery on 27 hrs... Doesnt get much better than that for me. Smooth and quick.
Shortly after I flashed faux123 kernel and am trying to see if I can improve on this even more.
As for the sense cleaner I use that zip on almost every rom I have tried so far. It removes pretty much all of the garbage. And in the post he states that it breaks motion launch gestures, I have found that if you go into setting disable and re-enable them and reboot they work just fine.

All do respect. I have ran every ROM available for this phone. And Scott's Roms still rock them all. I even got more out of it once a did a major over drive clean and a few tweaks. This phone is rock solid. With no problems at all. I just have to take the IMG of files and just turn them into a ROM.
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Why would you feel the need to reserve another post on this thread?
Makes zero sense to me.
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1ManWolfePack said:
Why would you feel the need to reserve another post on this thread?
Makes zero sense to me.
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Good question. I don't know either. When I find out. You first to know.
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Removing apps and freeing ram has zero effect on benchmarks or battery. Sorry to tell ya but what you're experiencing is pure placebo.
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richii0207 said:
Removing apps and freeing ram has zero effect on benchmarks or battery. Sorry to tell ya but what you're experiencing is pure placebo.
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Thanks. I am still a noob at all this. Learning as I go..
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blazinandroid1 said:
Thanks. I am still a noob at all this. Learning as I go..
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No problem. If you want to maximize battery , I would recommend going into the running apps under settings to see which 3rd party apps are running.
If you see one, you would want to open it and see if it has a notifications setting or refresh timers. Facebook for example is one that I know has one.
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richii0207 said:
Removing apps and freeing ram has zero effect on benchmarks or battery. Sorry to tell ya but what you're experiencing is pure placebo.
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So what you're saying is, if he removed apps that had been running 24/7, that would would have no effect on battery or performance... Really...so why does anyone strip out any of the VZW or HTC apps at all? And what exactly do you think the term bloatware means?
99% of what he removed may not have had any effect, but that doesn't mean that removing one or two specific apps didn't have a positive effect on battery and/or performance.

richii0207 said:
Removing apps and freeing ram has zero effect on benchmarks or battery. Sorry to tell ya but what you're experiencing is pure placebo.
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I would have to disagree with you on this. Some apps rape your battery through wake locks.
But in the interest as to what this topic was started on I would agree with you.

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So what you're saying is, if he removed apps that had been running 24/7, that would would have no effect on battery or performance... Really...so why does anyone strip out any of the VZW or HTC apps at all? And what exactly do you think the term bloatware means?
99% of what he removed may not have had any effect, but that doesn't mean that removing one or two specific apps didn't have a positive effect on battery and/or performance.
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Removing apps that do not run in the background do NOT affect battery. Bloatware is subjective as one person's "bloatware" is a crucial app for another person. Removing dormant apps such as VZW ringtones or navigator will not net any gain. Some people like to remove these apps to "free up space".
What apps do you consider bloatware? For me, 3rd party apps such as SMS and launchers are a waste of space, hence I consider them "bloatware".
I do not make assumptions without knowing what I'm talking about as I conduct my own tests and obtain results instead of reading what opinions others may have. This is like back in the days when there was so much hype with build prop edits and how they worked wonders....only to be debunked by numerous testers including myself.
If you read my previous post, it answers your latter paragraph. My statements may be paradigm shifts for some, but I won't be saying all of this without proper reasoning.
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richii0207 said:
Removing apps that do not run in the background do NOT affect battery.
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True. However, some of the apps listed on the link in the OP do run in the background. Just because something isn't listed as a running app in Settings\Apps\wherever doesn't mean associated service isn't running. When you have Blinkfeed running for instance, it doesn't show all of the million associated Blinkfeed content apps.

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True. However, some of the apps listed on the link in the OP do run in the background. Just because something isn't listed as a running app in Settings\Apps\wherever doesn't mean associated service isn't running. When you have Blinkfeed running for instance, it doesn't show all of the million associated Blinkfeed content apps.
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Are you referring to the cached apps? Do you use xposed? How many modules do you use? Do you consider those draining battery since they are running?

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When you have Blinkfeed running for instance, it doesn't show all of the million associated Blinkfeed content apps.
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So true!!!
I wanted to chime in here...
To both people you both have points...
But if an app is running, yes, it decreases battery by taking away precious CPU cycles and wasting RAM. That is fact. This is undeniable fact.
As stated, one "man's bloat" is another mans "must have" but I can tell you this much... Not many people I know, on a custom ROM, use VZW Tones...
I consider anything Verizon puts in the ROM bloat. Any Non Sense (get it?) app is also bloat to me (Lookin' at you Amazon). And yes, most of these apps do consume system resources weather being used or not. Removing them can be beneficial depending on what you are trying to achieve.
The hard part about guides on removing things, and ROMS (like mine) is achieving a very fine balance between user needs and "bloat". Each person will have a difference of opinion. This is also fact.
Just my two cents...
Carry on!

richii0207 said:
Removing apps that do not run in the background do NOT affect battery.
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True, but I never said they did. In fact, I questioned your comment about how removing any apps would said no effect on your device, by asking "if he removed apps that had been running 24/7, that would would have no effect on battery or performance". That's the opposite of what you said.
richii0207 said:
Bloatware is subjective as one person's "bloatware" is a crucial app for another person. Removing dormant apps such as VZW ringtones or navigator will not net any gain. Some people like to remove these apps to "free up space".
What apps do you consider bloatware? For me, 3rd party apps such as SMS and launchers are a waste of space, hence I consider them "bloatware".
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True, however, "Removing apps and freeing ram has zero effect on benchmarks or battery." is false. Blatantly, unarguably false.
As far as bloatware, it's generally considered to be apps that run on a frequent or constant basis, and that have a negative effect on the system. Though some people consider it to be anything at all on their device which they have no personal use for. Whatever, that's their decision. For instance, most (if not all) of the crap Verizon installs on their devices (not ringtones, obviously) is known to have a negative impact on device performance. However, from your statement, removing those apps would do nothing for performance or battery life. When we've seen time and time again that it DOES have a positive performance.
scrosler said:
So true!!!
I wanted to chime in here...
To both people you both have points...
But if an app is running, yes, it decreases battery by taking away precious CPU cycles and wasting RAM. That is fact. This is undeniable fact.
As stated, one "man's bloat" is another mans "must have" but I can tell you this much... Not many people I know, on a custom ROM, use VZW Tones...
I consider anything Verizon puts in the ROM bloat. Any Non Sense (get it?) app is also bloat to me (Lookin' at you Amazon). And yes, most of these apps do consume system resources weather being used or not. Removing them can be beneficial depending on what you are trying to achieve.
The hard part about guides on removing things, and ROMS (like mine) is achieving a very fine balance between user needs and "bloat". Each person will have a difference of opinion. This is also fact.
Just my two cents...
Carry on!
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Thanks for the input Scrosler. I agree with everything you said. Especially about the VZW apps...

sfreemanoh said:
True, but I never said they did. In fact, I questioned your comment about how removing any apps would said no effect on your device, by asking "if he removed apps that had been running 24/7, that would would have no effect on battery or performance". That's the opposite of what you said.
True, however, "Removing apps and freeing ram has zero effect on benchmarks or battery." is false. Blatantly, unarguably false.
Thanks for the input Scrosler. I agree with everything you said. Especially about the VZW apps...
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Apps that are open and then "minimized" are left paused and is cached. This is how ram is utilized efficiently. This helps so that your phone doesn't need to start up the app service every time you open it, hence saving battery. Imagine if you used a "Task manager" every time you exited an app. You generally want to use up your ram caching all the apps you normally use so your phone doesn't have to open a new app every other time.
Notice how when you first open an app, it takes a second to open it. Now when you hit the home and open it again, it opens much faster. This is something you can do to visually see what I am talking about.
My first statement was that you don't "speed" up a device or save battery by removing apps, you would need to configure the app's refresh timer or notification center.
If you apply the broad "apps slow down and kill your battery" principle, then are these custom roms with all these features and xposed modules slower than a "debloated" stock rom?
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richii0207 said:
My first statement was that you don't "speed" up a device or save battery by removing apps, you would need to configure the app's refresh timer or notification center.
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Dude, just because it's not active on the screen doesn't necessarily mean it's not still actively running. That's the point Scrosler and myself were trying to make. Are you paying attention at all? Just because it's not active on the screen, or listed in Running Apps doesn't mean something isn't running. There were dozens of HTC apps, and probably one dozen Verizon apps included in stock. Maybe two dozen of them can, and do, run in the background without being on the screen or showing in Running Apps.
And stop explaining how things are cached, we get it, we got it before you explained it.