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2011 Tegra 3 (Kal-El) Tablets

Hey guys,
Could someone please let me know which tablets are being/have been released in 2011 sporting the Tegra 3 (Kal-El) processor? Especially if they're out/easily importable to the UK! Thanks
*EDIT* The one I'm aware of atm is the Asus Transformer Prime - does anyone have a definite release day for this?

Prime is the only one that's anounced yet!

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/transformer-prime-detailed-10-inch-super-ips-display-12-hour
"December" is still all I've heard of a release date. But it supposed to be a worldwide release so I'm assuming shortages will be a given.

mordbane said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/transformer-prime-detailed-10-inch-super-ips-display-12-hour
"December" is still all I've heard of a release date. But it supposed to be a worldwide release so I'm assuming shortages will be a given.
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Ah cool, so I'll be able to order it from the UK? Hoping to get it by xmas ya know

Prime in december

Cyrano4 said:
Prime in december
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Not for the UK though?

Nice Tegra 3 is very good

Ant38 said:
Nice Tegra 3 is very good
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why? beacuse of 4 cores?
You won't use the power of them... at the moment Android doesn't use 2 cores properly
2, 4 or idk 16 cores doesn't mean that system will be faster
look at HTC 7 Mozart with WP7.5 - 1 core snapdragon with 512 MB and system is very smooth and fast
I think that producers must focus at optimization of their version of Android
making smartphones with better hardware is not a solution - it only makes more problems

darasz89 said:
why? beacuse of 4 cores?
You won't use the power of them... at the moment Android doesn't use 2 cores properly
2, 4 or idk 16 cores doesn't mean that system will be faster
look at HTC 7 Mozart with WP7.5 - 1 core snapdragon with 512 MB and system is very smooth and fast
I think that producers must focus at optimization of their version of Android
making smartphones with better hardware is not a solution - it only makes more problems
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Agree with you when you say about Android, which doesn't take full advantage of 4 cores.
But the main feature in the quad-core technology is the battery life saving.
Eventually, in the next year when there will be optimized app for dual and quad- core CPU, this tablet ( or any other 4cores phone) will rock for many, many months.

yukinok25 said:
But the main feature in the quad-core technology is the battery life saving.
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4 core CPU takes less energy than 1 core? you are wrong
yes its true that power use per 1 core in tegra3 is low but overall its larger that single or dual core

darasz89 said:
4 core CPU takes less energy than 1 core? you are wrong
yes its true that power use per 1 core in tegra3 is low but overall its larger that single or dual core
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Yes, its' use less power for normal usage.
It's obvious that if you use ALL 4 cores, the drain would be more than a single core CPU:
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hi...n-actually-use-less-power-than-dual-core/7976
Qualcomm as well is claiming that his next generation quad core phones will save 65% of battery life compare to the current ARM CPU:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...debuts-single-dual-quad-core-snapdragon-chips

speculations and promises of manufacturers
the major factor of power usage is system resources managment
at start new 4-core CPU will consume more energy beacuse of lack efficient support for 4 cores - but someday it will be optimized well
but the question is: do we really need 4 cores? i think that we need better optimized sotfware
did I loose my mind? look at devices running WP7.5 and tell me that Android is smoother [I'm not a M$ fanboy ]
now with 2cores we have big computing power and it should be use efficiently

darasz89 said:
speculations and promises of manufacturers
the major factor of power usage is system resources managment
at start new 4-core CPU will consume more energy beacuse of lack efficient support for 4 cores - but someday it will be optimized well
but the question is: do we really need 4 cores? i think that we need better optimized sotfware
did I loose my mind? look at devices running WP7.5 and tell me that Android is smoother [I'm not a M$ fanboy ]
now with 2cores we have big computing power and it should be use efficiently
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I really hope is not speculation, cause we need battery life saving for our devices.
I am agree about the lack of apps optimized for a 4 cores CPU, however my I7-740Qm use less battery (I repeat on normal usage) than my old AMD Athlon XP, because of the improvement in architecture and technology such as Turbo Boost or Hyperthreading that Intel has implemented.
I believe the new 28nm CPU from Qualcomm and Nvidia will bring similar helpful features.

you're comparing normal CPU's
all the time I was talking about CPU on smartphones
difference between those two CPUs you mentioned is comparable to difference between Ford T and Ferrari Enzo
on smartphones we have limited resources - you cannot easily add f.e. 512 MB of RAM, change CPU or GPU
we have more limited hardware compared to PC
the goal is optimalization of software not adding cores to CPU or more RAM
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Tegra2 and Tegra3 both have 40 nm process
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@OP
2011 is not a good year for hunting Tegra 3.
With only one product Asus TF Prime out, it could happen like the Xoom launch.
Although the prime seems like a very nice upgrade, I'm already reading about Lenovo and Acer bringing 1920*1200 res screens.
I know you may have your preference on your Manufacturer, I do too, but it's better to wait a bit to see all the players then choose.
I waited a bit and got a Galaxy Tab 10.1 one of the best tegra 2 tablets. Really interested in what Samsung can bring in 2012.

darasz89 said:
you're comparing normal CPU's
all the time I was talking about CPU on smartphones
difference between those two CPUs you mentioned is comparable to difference between Ford T and Ferrari Enzo
on smartphones we have limited resources - you cannot easily add f.e. 512 MB of RAM, change CPU or GPU
we have more limited hardware compared to PC
the goal is optimalization of software not adding cores to CPU or more RAM
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Tegra2 and Tegra3 both have 40 nm process
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Yup that was just an example darasz89
Why do you think we have limited resources? Would you expect 2 years ago that one day we would use a smartphone big like 2 packs of cigarettes combined together, with a full OS installed, 4 cores, and 1GB of RAM?
Mobile technology is the future. We will see much more hopefully...
Yup, only Qualcomm for now will use 28nm technlogy.

priority of Android devices should be optimized software before hardware
I don't think that way you see the future of Android is bad, but first we should use all of "given power" of 2 core CPU and after that extend to 4core
funny summary: "With great power comes great responsibility."

Just pre-ordered prime from my local Future Shop. *Anxiously awaiting*

darasz89 said:
priority of Android devices should be optimized software before hardware
I don't think that way you see the future of Android is bad, but first we should use all of "given power" of 2 core CPU and after that extend to 4core
funny summary: "With great power comes great responsibility."
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Actually that should be the priority of software in general, but wrriting good code is hard enough. Right now, ever since the software crisis, hardware has always been two three steps ahead of software, and right now it is in a way a good thing. You don't want a software to be lagging on your computer because its not powerful enough right? You'd rather have the extra juice to power any software with ease.

Hey guys!! According to bestbuy canada, the expected warehouse delivery date is December 5, 2011. Not going to check elsewhere, but just an FYI to all who asked.
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8-cores really needed?

8 cores in a mobile device is clearly a first and Samsung were likely to be the company to bring it to us BUT what's the point?
Is it just me who sees that as excessive?
There's not a chance that we'll even TRULY feel the power of the extra 4 cores. 4 cores aren't generally needed in other phones as there's only a small handful of games which actually use all the power. Even in those games, the most you're gonna have is a very sought amount of extra power.
Technology is still a few years away from needing 8 cores in a phone so really there's no point as the end user won't feel a difference in the slightest.
I'll admit it's a clever gimmick to sell more but, in my opinion, that's all it is.
What do others think?

This has been discussed to death, the point is for power efficiency without losing peak performance. That's the only and single reason this exists. You will have excellent battery life in every-day tasks due to it.

samsung people are mainly concentrating on specifications.. in order to match with xperia z waterproof and htc one 's features , the only thing they can do is sticking with ultra high spec..it is lookwise galaxy note 2 only..no doubt..so may be spec will be their primary concern...

The S3 does a more than good enough job in that regard though and there's only gonna be a certain amount of space for improvement. A whole 4 cores extra will leave purge majority of its power wasted. 6 cores, fair enough (to an extent) but not that many.

Samsung always tries to set a new standard regarding specs.
So they try to push other mobile facturers to do the same.
Also I think they use an 8 core so the S4 doesnt outdate that quickly.
Plus that it can actually be batterysaving tot have an 8 core over a 4 core CPU.
But this is just my opinion .

KidCarter93 said:
The S3 does a more than good enough job in that regard though and there's only gonna be a certain amount of space for improvement. A whole 4 cores extra will leave purge majority of its power wasted. 6 cores, fair enough (to an extent) but not that many.
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u can't compare A9 cores with A15 cores
A15 slightly use more power ( thats the biggest problem on A15 cores )

It is not a "real" 8-core CPU. It consists of two quad cores that alternate. One is a high end CPU that blows away previous hardware. The other is a low powered but efficient CPU that literally sips battery life. The phone alternates between the two based on the task at hand. Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.

Kresge said:
It is not a "real" 8-core CPU. It consists of two quad cores that alternate. One is a high end CPU that blows away previous hardware. The other is a low powered but efficient CPU that literally sips battery life. The phone alternates between the two based on the task at hand. Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.
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ThankKresgege - that's good to know. I wasn't sure exactly how they were going to be utilizing the 8 cores, but what you just said makes complete sense. :good:

jaykresge said:
It is not a "real" 8-core CPU. It consists of two quad cores that alternate. One is a high end CPU that blows away previous hardware. The other is a low powered but efficient CPU that literally sips battery life. The phone alternates between the two based on the task at hand. Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.
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So, you will use the powersufficient cores most of the time (which is actually more batteryfriendly than the CPU in S3), and use the superultra high-end CPU when you need some incredible amount of power?

Could 8 cores finally push the ppsspp(PSP) emulator to work better? I know the app is still beta but I tried it on Tablet with Quad core Tegra 3 clocked at 1.4ghz & the frames froze so much the game was unplayable. If anyone has tried God of War in the emulator you know what I mean.lol.
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cyrusalmighty said:
Could 8 cores finally push the ppsspp(PSP) emulator to work better? I know the app is still beta but I tried it on Tablet with Quad core Tegra 3 clocked at 1.4ghz & the frames froze so much the game was unplayable. If anyone has tried God of War in the emulator you know what I mean.lol.
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Why don't you get that the phone is not 8 cores. People need to stop with this.its like having two phones in one.one for browsing and low Cpu usage the other one is for heavy gaming etc etc. Its not 8 cores running at the same time
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@OP The 8 cores are not meant for power they are meant to save it the power hungry a15s will drain more battery whereas the a7s use considerably less the a15s will only be used when necessary meaning u will be saving alot battery
I have a feeling were gonna be addressing this alot
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TingTingin said:
@OP The 8 cores are not meant for power they are meant to save it the power hungry a15s will drain more battery whereas the a7s use considerably less the a15s will only be used when necessary meaning u will be saving alot battery
I have a feeling were gonna be addressing this alot
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Indeed you are. It's basically like having an MTK MT6589 chipset for low-demanding applications and a Snapdragon 600 for high-demanding applications on one die.
No doubt they're going to make this a selling point though.​

even quad cores for a phone is insane overkill lol, but for the latest demanding 3d games its sure needed.

I did a write-up on this so we can hopefully avoid these discussions for the rest of the year.

mortuus82 said:
even quad cores for a phone is insane overkill lol, but for the latest demanding 3d games its sure needed.
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It is not an octa-core phone by any means if you call the Tegra 3 quad-core. If Samsung dares to claim this thing (4+4) octa-core, the Tegra 3/4 (4+1)is penta-core.
The S4 (international) have 4 A7 cores clocked at (1.2GHz?) and another 4 A15 cores @1.6GHz. The two sets of cores can never run at the same time. This is the big.little idea - A7 cores are more efficient and are used for light tasks, the A15 cores are power hungry but have more horsepower. So it is designed to save energy when compared to only 4 A15 cores.
However whether this or Snapdragon's Krait save more energy is still unknown as of now. Benchmarks have shown the S4 having a very similar performance with the HTC One (w/ Snapdragon 600).
For me, Samsung took this approach due to two benefits: power saving (as said above) and a marketing gimmick. Uninformed people may likely scream "Wow, 8-cores on a phone? That must be powerful!" after watching their ads, so the S4 may sell more.

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Basically, you will never be using more than 4-cores and that is by design.
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That is the type of processing they have chosen.
But with custom kernels which have hmp support you will be able to use any number of (upto8) in any order
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i9100g user said:
That is the type of processing they have chosen.
But with custom kernels which have hmp support you will be able to use any number of (upto8) in any order
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I was thinking that
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[Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores [Upd 25/05]

I'm going to write this as an guide/information page so we stop as soon as possible the stupid discussions about how 8 cores are useless.
[Update 25/05]
The below information was based on how things should have been. Reality is the Exynos 5410 has some serious issues with its cache coherent interconnect / CCI which cripples the chip to only cluster migration, effectively making the major parts of the big.LITTLE operating scheme useless. This is an issue in silicon which cannot be solved.
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What's it all about?
The Exynos Octa or Exynos 5410 is a big.LITTLE design engineered by ARM and is the first consumer implementation of this technology. Samsung was their lead partner in terms of bringing this to market first. Reneseas is the other current chip designer who has publicly announced a big.LITTLE design.
Misconception #1: Samsung didn't design this, ARM did. This is not some stupid marketing gimmick.
The point of the design is to meld the advantages of the A7 processor architectures, with its extreme power efficiency, with the A15 architecture, with extreme performance at a cost of power consumption. The A7 cores are slightly slower than an A9 equivalent, but using much less power. The A15 cores are in another ballpark in terms of performance but their power consumption is also extreme on this current manufacturing generation.
The effective goal is to achieve the best of both worlds. Qualcomm on the other does this by using their own architecture which is similar in some design aspects to the A15 architecture, but compromises on feature and performance to achieve higher power efficiency. The end result is for the user can be expressed in 2 measurements: IPC (Instrucitons per clock), and Perf/W (Performance per Watt).
In terms of IPC, the A15 leads the pack by quite a margin, followed by Krait 400, Krait 300, Krait 200, A9, A7, and A8 cores, in that order.
In terms of Perf/W, the A7 leads by a margin, followed by A9's and the Krait cores, with the A15 at a distant last in terms of efficiency.
Real-world use
Of course, the Exynos Octa is the first to use this:
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Currently, the official word seems to be that the A7 cluster is configured to run from 200 to 1200MHz, and the A15 cluster from 200 to 1600MHz.
There are several use-cases of how the design can be used, and it is purely limited by software, as the hardware configuration is completely flexible.
In-Kernel Switcher (IKS)
This is what most of us will see this in our consumer products this year; Effectively, you only have a virtual quad-core processor. The A15 cores are paired up with the A7 core clusters. Each A15 has a corresponding A7 "partner". Hardware wise, this pair-up has no physical representation as provided by an actual die-shot of the Exynos Octa.
The IKS does the same thing as a CPU governor. But instead of switching CPU frequency depending on the load, it will switch between CPUs.
Effecively, you are jumping from one performance/power curve to another: And that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.
The actual implementation is a very simple driver on the side of the kernel which measures load and acts much like a CPU governor.
The above is a demonstration; you can see how at most times the A7 cores are used for video playback, simple tasks, and miscellaneous computations. The A15 cores will kick in when there is more demanding load being processed, and then quickly drop out again to the A7 cores when it's not doing much anymore.
Misconception #2: You DON'T need to have all 8 cores online, actually, only maximum 4 cores will ever be online at the same time.
Misconception #3: If the workload is thread-light, just as we did hot-plugging on previous CPUs, big.LITTLE pairs will simply remain offline under such light loads. There is no wasted power with power-gating.
Misconception #4: As mentioned, each pair can switch independently of other pairs. It's not he whole cluster who switches between A15 and A7 cores. You can have only a single A15 online, together with two A7's, while the fourth pair is completely offline.
Misconception #5: The two clusters have their own frequency planes. This means A15 cores all run on one frequency while the A7 cores can be running on another. However, inside of the frequency planes, all cores run at the same frequency, meaning there is only one frequency for all cores of a type at a time.
Heterogeneous Multi-Processing (HMP)
This is the other actual implemented function mode of a big.LITTLE CPU. In this case, all 8 cores can be used simultaneously by the system.
This is a vastly more complex working mechanism, and its implementation is also an order of magnitude more sophisticated. It requires the kernel scheduler to actually be aware of the differentiation of between the A7 and A15 cores. Currently, the Linux kernel is not capable of doing this and treats all CPUs as equals. This is a problem since we do not want to use the A15 cores when a task can simply me processed on an A7 core with a much lower power cost.
The Linaro working-group already finished the first implementation of the HMP design as a series of patches to be applied against the Linux 3.8 kernel. What they did is to make the scheduler smart enough to be able to track the load of single process entities, and with that information to schedule the threads smartly on either the A7 cores or the A15 cores. This achieves much lower latency in terms of switching workloads, or better said, switching the environments (CPUs) to the respective work-loads, and exposes the full processing capabilities of the silicon as all cores can be used at once.
You can follow the advancements of this in the publications of the Linaro Connect summits that happen every few months. The code was only published in the middle of February this year for the first working implementation equivalent in power consumption to the IKS.
Misconception #6: Yes the CPU is a true 8-core processor. It's just not being used a such in its initial software implementations

Re: [Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores
Will link to this in my info thread
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seems there is no Octa version anytime soon
the mass production will start in Q2
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=22936

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Hehe can't wait foe your kernel Andrei. I was disappointed bythe design but I'll just get me one. My only worry is the tw lags in contacts and unlocking. Also, wouldn't the a7 be 2 slow when multitasking? You open a web site, and xda so the a7 kick in then open a Game. How is the transition done with outstanding the phone lagging? Im very curious about this. Fromthe hands on we can see the phone stuttering a lot.
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Question. Which one should be a better processor to choose from? The Quad-core snapdragron or the Exynos Octa-core? Exynos vs Snapdragron.

My main concern for the new Exynos is: I'm a S2 user and we all know how Samsung handled their promise of open properly working drivers for the Exynos 4 (as in not). Naturally I don't expect much. Now I only today saw that the Nexus 10 has an Exynos 5 also. Does this stronger Google-connection mean, that the S4 should not face the same problems as the S2 or am I better off with another SoC.

Excellent write-up Andrei.
Much needed to stop all the BS spreading across the forums.

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My main concern for the new Exynos is: I'm a S2 user and we all know how Samsung handled their promise of open properly working drivers for the Exynos 4 (as in not). Naturally I don't expect much. Now I only today saw that the Nexus 10 has an Exynos 5 also. Does this stronger Google-connection mean, that the S4 should not face the same problems as the S2 or am I better off with another SoC.
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It depends on what u mean by better
Power= snapdragon
Battery savings= Exynos
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@ Andrei
So how does power consumption in HMP model compares versus the IKS model?
I might be outdated but the IKS model is basically the same concept as CPU Migration, right?
And finally will we ever see Cluster Migration implementations, maybe outside smartphones?

gypsy214 said:
Question. Which one should be a better processor to choose from? The Quad-core snapdragron or the Exynos Octa-core? Exynos vs Snapdragron.
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Samsung will make the choice for you; it seems that all LTE models are Snapdragon while the 3G models will be Exynos. Personally, I live in an area where LTE is a rip-off and has minimal benefits, and I find the Exynos more exciting and better.
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It depends on what u mean by better
Power= snapdragon
Battery savings= Exynos
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We don't know why Samsung went with the Snapdragon in the first place, until then, such claims are senseless. I HIGHLY suspect it is because of manufacturing constraints. The GPU on the Exynos will be faster and more powerful, you need to take that into account.
jesr said:
@ Andrei
So how does power consumption in HMP model compares versus the IKS model?
I might be outdated but the IKS model is basically the same concept as CPU Migration, right?
And finally will we ever see Cluster Migration implementations, maybe outside smartphones?
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Power consumption is identical in ideal conditions. Performance on HMP should be however (theoretically) better since we will have less task migration between the CPUs and the overhead of switching data on the CPU caches will be lower. It also depends if Samsung pulled their head out of their asses and implemented a proper CPUIdle driver with a core power collapse state, if they did, HMP will be undoubtedly better.
IKS is CPU migration, yes.
We won't ever see Cluster Migration as it doesn't make any sense in practical terms, there are absolutely no advantages in it compared to the IKS and you actually waste power by migrating other CPUs in the cluster when they actually don't need to be switched.

gypsy214 said:
Question. Which one should be a better processor to choose from? The Quad-core snapdragron or the Exynos Octa-core? Exynos vs Snapdragron.
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I think we will have to wait until reviews are out to know for sure which is faster/more battery efficient. Also if you want LTE (in the US) I think you will be stuck with the Snapdragon because of the LTE bands supported by the chipset. If I had to guess, I would suggest that the 8 core would be better for power consumption and performance, but that's all it is, a guess.

If I'm playing a 3D game, the phone will use the A15s, right?
Would the Snapdragon 600 be more efficient than the exynos Octa in that scenario?

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If I'm playing a 3D game, the phone will use the A15s, right?
Would the Snapdragon 600 be more efficient than the exynos Octa in that scenario?
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How 3d is this game? :sly:
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James086 said:
I think we will have to wait until reviews are out to know for sure which is faster/more battery efficient. Also if you want LTE (in the US) I think you will be stuck with the Snapdragon because of the LTE bands supported by the chipset. If I had to guess, I would suggest that the 8 core would be better for power consumption and performance, but that's all it is, a guess.
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That's good. But i guess I care more about development than LTE. I have no experience with Exynos I don't know how Samsung will be with development wise with the Octave core Exynos. Like releasing drivers etc etc.

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How 3d is this game? :sly:
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hah. I mean games that arent sudoku or crosswords.
Just wondering if the S600 would be more efficient during heavy use than the Exynos.​

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rkial said:
If I'm playing a 3D game, the phone will use the A15s, right?
Would the Snapdragon 600 be more efficient than the exynos Octa in that scenario?
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Read andrei's misconception no.4....
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Chillz88 said:
Read andrei's misconception no.4....
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I did. That's why I asked the question.
He says the A15 will be least efficient
with the A15 at a distant last in terms of efficiency.
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But I have no idea how many cores heavy gaming takes up. Also, not sure how the S600 would deal with its cores that arent being used.

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In terms of driver support without waiting for month until the community (or much appreciated dedicated community programmers) managed to get things running.​

rkial said:
I did. That's why I asked the question.
He says the A15 will be least efficient
But I have no idea how many cores heavy gaming takes up. Also, not sure how the S600 would deal with its cores that arent being used.
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Depends on the game.
90% of games will run on the A7 cores without ever needing the A15 power.
3D needs minimal CPU power, for example clamping the CPU on our current devices to single-core and 600MHz will have absolutely no effect on benchmarks like GLBenchmark or the Unreal Citadel.
However if the game does physics, A.I. computations, sound effects and who know what else, then the CPU will be loaded.
It also depends how threaded the game is. I don't think that games run more than 1 "heavy" thread, so in optimal conditions you'd only have a single A15 up while having the rest of the pairs staying on the A7 cores.
There is no definitive answer to your question. Just fire up CPU-Spy, reset the frequency states and go play a game and see the result. If you're on an A9 core phone then theoretically if you exceed the 1000MHz state, then that would be over the capacity of what the A7's could deliver and it would switch over to the A15.

I'd be playing something like Fifa and NFS,
Guess I'll have to try it to get a better idea.
Thanks for the explanation

Octa core Exynos no better than snapdragon, so no more whining/boasting

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/06/samsung-galaxy-s4-octacore-review/
The A15 in the octa-core isn't any better or worse than the krait in the snapdragon, either in performance or benchmarks. The extra four helper cores you get doesn't improve battery life. In fact, with the four a15 cores, it is actually WORSE than the more efficient krait cores. All those people bragging about how much the A15 is better than the krait based on thin air speculation really need to shove it up their butt.
It was already expected that the four extra low power cores in an octa core would not make much difference in battery life and actually be worse off than a regular quad-core processor. History has already shown with the Tegra 3's helper core that utilizing low power helper cores is a tricky and inefficient affair. It's not easy to switch between them, to prioritize when to use what, and instead of making a more efficient A15 design, Samsung relied too much on the chip's switching capabilities instead of making an overall better processor.
So if you want LTE, BETTER BATTERY LIFE, rom compatibility and dev support with the most widespread SoC, actual availability in stores everywhere, then stop waiting or worrying about the Exynos octa-core and pick the widely available snapdragon version of the S4. Anyone still spouting how great the octa-core version will be and still lies about it being EIGHT WHOLE CORES! when there's really only four are the biggest trolls in the S4 forum.

this video show more real compasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5im3WAZYc

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2258519

Heh, load of bullcrap.
If you do video battery tests you do them on Wi-Fi, congratulations on testing modem battery life. (Same carrier? Same tower? Same time of day? Bravo on apples vs oranges Engadget)
The benchmarks ARE faster on the 9500. Let's not mention that Engadget are incompetent fools who don't understand benchmarking. The Linpack scores are a joke as is CF-bench, one because the benchmark literally takes 0.3s and if you're idling before you press the start button that's not even though time for the CPU to ramp up to highest speed. CF-bench fails due to thermal throttling. At least that's a valid negative point, but not performance, scores are far beyond the 30k mark. I'm also getting funny more realistic results on the other benches: 661ms vs 732 SunSpider, 10% higher Vellamo score, 300 more 3D rating, and I'm sure there's others. Funny how they suddenly don't use GeekBench.
Matter of fact: the 9500 is undoubtedly faster and that's a technical reality. They even state so in their subjective comparison.
As for battery life: I've already mentioned how the early firmware is unfinished. I'm getting roughly 10% per hour usage; right now at 61% and 3h30 screen, and that's with doing benchmarks for the last half hour which ate 9%.
The only correct *video* battery life tests I've seen came from GSMArena (9505) and Russian mobile-review who got 12h.
You're going to have to wait for AnandTech to do a review in a few months to be able to use it as argumental material in such discussions.
Engadget is the pinnacle of ignorance and technical non-reporting, and as they've proved in their botched S3 review last year, the benchmarking seems to be done by the principal of their local baboon academy.

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All those people bragging about how much the A15 is better than the krait based on thin air speculation really need to shove it up their butt.
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I don't think people thought that devices using Octa vs. S-600 wouldn't perform comparably. It would make no sense for Samsung not to optimize both to the best of their ability and S-600 is a powerful and efficient chip. You can't help but get the feeling that the s/w isn't "done" on either version based on comments on all the SGS4 forums about lag and display driver issues. That's echoed by some of AndreiLux's comments from looking at the code. Octa is literally the first public implementation of big.LITTLE. All of ARM’s future designs will be based on it. That means Qualcomm’s next generation of chips after S-800 will be based on it also as they license ARM’s designs. I'd expect over time that updates will continue to improve Octa's performance (power and efficiency) whereas S-600 is simply a massaged version of S4 Pro and the OEMs have a lot more experience working with it so there's less upside potential. I'd still buy the i9500 over the i9505 if I were going to get a SGS4 (I'm waiting for the N3) as I think its long-term potential is greater than S-600 and, going forward, I'd expect it to be used in more Samsung devices once Qualcomm's RF360 universal LTE baseband becomes available. Once that happens, unless there's production capacity issues, there no reason Octa wouldn't be Samsung go-to high-end chip. Just my opinion of course.
P.S. - The i9500 has about 250MB more free RAM (13%) than the i9505 as Adreno reserves 500MB for itself while PowerVR reserves a little over 200MB.

matheus_sc said:
this video show more real compasion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt5im3WAZYc
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Funny thing is you do the same comparison on another I9505 or I9500 and it will most probably yield different results... they are too close to compare
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P.S. - The i9500 has about 250MB more free RAM (13%) than the i9505 as Adreno reserves 500MB for itself while PowerVR reserves a little over 200MB.
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Really? Where is the source for this? Anyone like to show free ram comparisons between both devices? I am sitting around 750mb free ram,I am Stock Rooted, I have 5 active applications open... And I still have most of the samsung bloat

BarryH_GEG said:
P.S. - The i9500 has about 250MB more free RAM (13%) than the i9505 as Adreno reserves 500MB for itself while PowerVR reserves a little over 200MB.
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None of that memory on neither SoCs is allocated to the GPUs. Video memory is reserved on-the-fly from user-space. That unavailable memory is dedicated to camera controllers, image processors, video decoder, and a bunch of other smaller buffers.

katamari201 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/06/samsung-galaxy-s4-octacore-review/
The A15 in the octa-core isn't any better or worse than the krait in the snapdragon, either in performance or benchmarks. The extra four helper cores you get doesn't improve battery life. In fact, with the four a15 cores, it is actually WORSE than the more efficient krait cores. All those people bragging about how much the A15 is better than the krait based on thin air speculation really need to shove it up their butt.
It was already expected that the four extra low power cores in an octa core would not make much difference in battery life and actually be worse off than a regular quad-core processor. History has already shown with the Tegra 3's helper core that utilizing low power helper cores is a tricky and inefficient affair. It's not easy to switch between them, to prioritize when to use what, and instead of making a more efficient A15 design, Samsung relied too much on the chip's switching capabilities instead of making an overall better processor.
So if you want LTE, BETTER BATTERY LIFE, rom compatibility and dev support with the most widespread SoC, actual availability in stores everywhere, then stop waiting or worrying about the Exynos octa-core and pick the widely available snapdragon version of the S4. Anyone still spouting how great the octa-core version will be and still lies about it being EIGHT WHOLE CORES! when there's really only four are the biggest trolls in the S4 forum.
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Get ornery myself some times. Trust me on this, go out, find some nice young lady, make her see God. Later when you read this and are wondering what the hell you were thinking you can apologize. Everybody wins. :good:

Well Said, AMEN
Well said Krabman.....
katamari201 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/06/samsung-galaxy-s4-octacore-review/
The A15 in the octa-core isn't any better or worse than the krait in the snapdragon, either in performance or benchmarks. The extra four helper cores you get doesn't improve battery life. In fact, with the four a15 cores, it is actually WORSE than the more efficient krait cores. All those people bragging about how much the A15 is better than the krait based on thin air speculation really need to shove it up their butt.
It was already expected that the four extra low power cores in an octa core would not make much difference in battery life and actually be worse off than a regular quad-core processor. History has already shown with the Tegra 3's helper core that utilizing low power helper cores is a tricky and inefficient affair. It's not easy to switch between them, to prioritize when to use what, and instead of making a more efficient A15 design, Samsung relied too much on the chip's switching capabilities instead of making an overall better processor.
So if you want LTE, BETTER BATTERY LIFE, rom compatibility and dev support with the most widespread SoC, actual availability in stores everywhere, then stop waiting or worrying about the Exynos octa-core and pick the widely available snapdragon version of the S4. Anyone still spouting how great the octa-core version will be and still lies about it being EIGHT WHOLE CORES! when there's really only four are the biggest trolls in the S4 forum.
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AndreiLux said:
None of that memory on neither SoCs is allocated to the GPUs. Video memory is reserved on-the-fly from user-space. That unavailable memory is dedicated to camera controllers, image processors, video decoder, and a bunch of other smaller buffers.
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People were saying the i9505 has 1.5GB of available RAM while the i9500 has 1.8GB. Is that true? If it is, what's contributing to the difference?

BarryH_GEG said:
People were saying the i9505 has 1.5GB of available RAM while the i9500 has 1.8GB. Is that true? If it is, what's contributing to the difference?
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No, it's not true. My i9505 have 1.78gb of RAM available.

BarryH_GEG said:
People were saying the i9505 has 1.5GB of available RAM while the i9500 has 1.8GB. Is that true? If it is, what's contributing to the difference?
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loollll no ... where are ppl coming up with this nonsense

Who cares really when are we gonna use the phone at max capacity? And 3 months later something better will be out so quit your *****ing and enjoy ya phone
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By the time Verizon ships my S4, the next super phone will be out! Seriously, I've got to quit reading these forums.
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1.78gb ram on I9505 here

In any device even low end device you will not find the full ram visible as some is reserved exclusively of the system.
Also the post was on difference between Octa and Quall why would you expect a significant different as if that happens samsung would be trouble because they are the same device right S4 so samsung would tuned both in a way that the performance battery life is almost the same that hows it should be right you cannot say my s4 is slower then yours bec I purchased it from US ????

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People were saying the i9505 has 1.5GB of available RAM while the i9500 has 1.8GB. Is that true? If it is, what's contributing to the difference?
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It really doesn't made a huge difference on Android devices. The extra memory just allows you to have more applications paused in the background before the kernel kills them to free up space. With the S3 if you're playing a game and switch to a web browser it's very likely that the game will be closed as it only has 1GB. On the S4 it will stay open in the background.

katamari201 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/06/samsung-galaxy-s4-octacore-review/
The A15 in the octa-core isn't any better or worse than the krait in the snapdragon, either in performance or benchmarks. The extra four helper cores you get doesn't improve battery life. In fact, with the four a15 cores, it is actually WORSE than the more efficient krait cores. All those people bragging about how much the A15 is better than the krait based on thin air speculation really need to shove it up their butt.
It was already expected that the four extra low power cores in an octa core would not make much difference in battery life and actually be worse off than a regular quad-core processor. History has already shown with the Tegra 3's helper core that utilizing low power helper cores is a tricky and inefficient affair. It's not easy to switch between them, to prioritize when to use what, and instead of making a more efficient A15 design, Samsung relied too much on the chip's switching capabilities instead of making an overall better processor.
So if you want LTE, BETTER BATTERY LIFE, rom compatibility and dev support with the most widespread SoC, actual availability in stores everywhere, then stop waiting or worrying about the Exynos octa-core and pick the widely available snapdragon version of the S4. Anyone still spouting how great the octa-core version will be and still lies about it being EIGHT WHOLE CORES! when there's really only four are the biggest trolls in the S4 forum.
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Amazing! Where were you all these days??
BTW, I don't have to wait, nor do I have to worry about getting a I9500. Stores near me don't have any Snapdragon variant. I think it's always a good practise not to take advise from a random person in the forums.
Nobody asked for your advise on what version to get. People are knowledgeable enough to make that decision.

Exynos Note 3 possibly won't get HMP update from Samsung

Bad news for fellow Exynos users.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Note...t-core-performance-patch-says-Samsung_id47977
It seems that Exynos 5420 is capable of HMP but will get too hot for the chip to handle.
But the Samsung Engineer does mention that they would comment the HMP update only after a complete testing process to ensure trouble free operation.
Note 3 and Galaxy S4 are unlikely to receive the full octa-core power in their Exynos chipset versions, advised a chief technical expert from Samsung's Mobile Solutions department. Recently the company said that it is able to unleash all the eight cores working at once, which can bump performance significantly, compared to the maximum of four cores restriction we have now with Exynos 5 Octa in these handsets.
The thing is, the engineer comments, that even though Samsung can release a software patch that will allow both the quad-core Cortex-A15 set, and the frugal Cortex-A7 cores, to get together for a task, the thermal envelope of these Exynos chips hasn't been cut for the job.
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i think this is a good move, they can't force this and overheat the phones.
im tempted to buy the exynos here in saudi as they are cheaper than the snapdragon ones even without the 4k part....

system.img said:
Bad news for fellow Exynos users.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Note...t-core-performance-patch-says-Samsung_id47977
It seems that Exynos 5420 is capable of HMP but will get too hot for the chip to handle.
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out of 3 aspects of big little(core migration,cluster migration,hmp), core migration is the most important aspect, since the hardware is fixed any custome kernel for exynos note 3 moght have core migration which will surely increase the battery efficiency

bala_gamer said:
out of 3 aspects of big little(core migration,cluster migration,hmp), core migration is the most important aspect, since the hardware is fixed any custome kernel for exynos note 3 moght have core migration which will surely increase the battery efficiency
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So Exynos 5420 has Core migration instead of cluster migration?

bala_gamer said:
out of 3 aspects of big little(core migration,cluster migration,hmp), core migration is the most important aspect, since the hardware is fixed any custome kernel for exynos note 3 moght have core migration which will surely increase the battery efficiency
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Nah. HMP is the real thing. Said Andreilux
HMP is extremely useful for power efficiency because you can migrate stupidly faster than DVFS allows you to.
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If its true, then its very dissapointing step from Samsung
My question is, if there is so much problems in that chip then why he is selling these faulty chip...and why in india, asian and african small countries where government dont do anything agains this kind of behaviour...and costmers also ignoring these issue..which not good for future.
1 many problems in s4
2 sim locking
3 knockon
....many more ..and some may be coming soon
And now no HMP update for s4 or note 3 ...seems like samsung has over confident of their market share and profit...
Isnt this is kind of monopoly???

ipsuvedi said:
If its true, then its very dissapointing step from Samsung
My question is, if there is so much problems in that chip then why he is selling these faulty chip...and why in india, asian and african small countries where government dont do anything agains this kind of behaviour...and costmers also ignoring these issue..which not good for future.
1 many problems in s4
2 sim locking
3 knockon
....many more ..and some may be coming soon
And now no HMP update for s4 or note 3 ...seems like samsung has over confident of their market share and profit...
Isnt this is kind of monopoly???
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Samsung wants to maximise profits by selling phones made with its in-house chip but is not able to integrate LTE in the chip. So, all it can do is to sell the phone with the Exynos chip in non-LTE areas.
But still, I think the Exynos is good too. It's CPU is damn powerful(considering a clock speed of only 1.9 Ghz)

Thermal problems are a poor excuse considering cluster migration is going to be much worse for thermals.
It's also a poor excuse considering HMP is best for power efficiency, meaning over all temperatures should be lower.
Unless they're worried that people will benchmark each thread and burn the chip out, but all they need to do is put thermal throttles and speed throttles with large A15 use.
I don't want to say Samsung are lazy because that's simply a stupid thing to say. Obviously all of this is very difficult and Samsung don't have the right combination and amount of time, talent and money to make it happen.
Core migration is going to be fine, anyway. If they ever bother with that.
Still disappointing anyway :/
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SirCanealot said:
Thermal problems are a poor excuse considering cluster migration is going to be much worse for thermals.
It's also a poor excuse considering HMP is best for power efficiency, meaning over all temperatures should be lower.
Unless they're worried that people will benchmark each thread and burn the chip out, but all they need to do is put thermal throttles and speed throttles with large A15 use.
I don't want to say Samsung are lazy because that's simply a stupid thing to say. Obviously all of this is very difficult and Samsung don't have the right combination and amount of time, talent and money to make it happen.
Core migration is going to be fine, anyway. If they ever bother with that.
Still disappointing anyway :/
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They have the Linaro team to do the work. They have already accomplished it but it has been shown off with only a prototype tablet.

ipsuvedi said:
If its true, then its very dissapointing step from Samsung
My question is, if there is so much problems in that chip then why he is selling these faulty chip...and why in india, asian and african small countries where government dont do anything agains this kind of behaviour...and costmers also ignoring these issue..which not good for future.
1 many problems in s4
2 sim locking
3 knockon
....many more ..and some may be coming soon
And now no HMP update for s4 or note 3 ...seems like samsung has over confident of their market share and profit...
Isnt this is kind of monopoly???
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Well, someone write a news without any confermation and users say it's good
So.. now.. i'm going to write a news.. santa is real! And all beleave in it..
Too many sheeps in the world
Big little is over any other arch.. it has the best efficiency ever.. and will have it with hmp..
Yup, if you turn on all 8 cores in maxfreq for 10 minutes.. phone burns.. but.. the logic of big little is: use low power cores (A7) for low tasks.. use high power cores (a15) for hugh tasks..
Than.. now you are using the cluater migration, it has 2 "bugs"
1) all cluster switch, so, is alminented the A15 even if it's not necessary, it happes when 1 core goes to A15
2) the switch from 2 clusters blocks computation for little time
The core migration fix the first problem of cluster migration
The hmp fix each 2 "problems"
So.. if cluater migration is good.. core migration is better, and hmp is better and better
Hmp has high overheating? Well, so n3 with cluster will have more overheating.. all with n3 has this issue?
for me.. all of you use too less the brain.. brain is a muscle.. use it!

I do not find thermal envelope explanation for HMP logical. Cluster Migration switches all the cores to A15 even when one thread requires power hence this design is more battery hungry. If Samsung is really worried about crossing thermal envelope, then they can implement something like Intel has done which they call it Turbo Boost. They can effectively reduce max clock speed to 1.5 GHz when all A15 are running but allow it to run to 1.9 GHz when only 1 or two threads are running.
If Samsung refuses to do so, I hope developers find ways to unlock HMP. It is not that I need 8 cores running simultaneously when my laptop hums at 1.3GHz in dual core mode, but when Samsung teases us and there is treasure hidden ready for unlocking, then it is just human nature to want MORE.

voice of my heart
Absolutely right brother. The die hard snapdragon fans can not digest the Exynos big Little processing and just throwing out rumors and I am really shocked how people believe it. I saw in many discussions that readers and mostly writers were not even software or hardware literate they were just speaking and forwarding the rumors. Actually due to lack of sdk from Samsung for exynos the third party custom rom writers can not do much in exynos as they were able to do in snapdragon so this makes them angry and they spread rumors. I have note 3 SM900 exynos and previously I had s4 exynos one. Did not face any problem in s4 ever and it's my 4th day with note 3 and going great so far. In my thinking the little big processing is better than all 8 cores working at the same time and people should see that the big a15 quad core 1.9 ghz gave very very closer benchmarks test results to Snapdragon 800 2.3 ghz and some were higher. People don't understand the chip architecture and just play on rumors.
iba21 said:
Well, someone write a news without any confermation and users say it's good
So.. now.. i'm going to write a news.. santa is real! And all beleave in it..
Too many sheeps in the world
Big little is over any other arch.. it has the best efficiency ever.. and will have it with hmp..
Yup, if you turn on all 8 cores in maxfreq for 10 minutes.. phone burns.. but.. the logic of big little is: use low power cores (A7) for low tasks.. use high power cores (a15) for hugh tasks..
Than.. now you are using the cluater migration, it has 2 "bugs"
1) all cluster switch, so, is alminented the A15 even if it's not necessary, it happes when 1 core goes to A15
2) the switch from 2 clusters blocks computation for little time
The core migration fix the first problem of cluster migration
The hmp fix each 2 "problems"
So.. if cluater migration is good.. core migration is better, and hmp is better and better
Hmp has high overheating? Well, so n3 with cluster will have more overheating.. all with n3 has this issue?
for me.. all of you use too less the brain.. brain is a muscle.. use it!
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willstay said:
I do not find thermal envelope explanation for HMP logical. Cluster Migration switches all the cores to A15 even when one thread requires power hence this design is more battery hungry. If Samsung is really worried about crossing thermal envelope, then they can implement something like Intel has done which they call it Turbo Boost. They can effectively reduce max clock speed to 1.5 GHz when all A15 are running but allow it to run to 1.9 GHz when only 1 or two threads are running.
If Samsung refuses to do so, I hope developers find ways to unlock HMP. It is not that I need 8 cores running simultaneously when my laptop hums at 1.3GHz in dual core mode, but when Samsung teases us and there is treasure hidden ready for unlocking, then it is just human nature to want MORE.
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People doesen't understand what is an hotplug and how it works
The real goal of that arch is called "power gating".. simply it's a technique developed by intel witch AUTO shuts down transistors if those are not in use..
The hotplug uses a software decision to shut down cores.. it's not hardware..
the difference?
Simply, for linux, all cores are everytime turned on, even if the transistors of the core are shutted down.. that's prevent time spent to re-schedule the tasks.. and sure.. linux is a multithreading kernel, it means, more core = more parallelization = less frequency = less power usage
That's the real goal of big.little!
And you understand, if there are 8 cores.. tasks will be shared on more cores, it means it has the best efficiency ever
An ex.. phone ALWAYS have low tasks to be compilet to permit the phone using.. as like the audio task, video task, or, wireless taks.. well, why use an high performance arch for low performance tasks? That's why arm creates A7..
CORTEX.A7 has the best efficiency ever.. so.. the same task in a cortexA7 is compiled with LESS ENERGY than other arch.. so.. it's a perfect way to preserve energy
Sure, A7 is not a performance arch, that's why arm choses to create the A15.. when tasks are too high to be compiled with an A7.. system auto switch task on a A15.. so.. the goal is.. low tasks in A7 (best efficiency) and high tasks in A15 (best performance)
Mix best efficiency + best performance = best arch :thumbup:

Got a feeling they're testing the HMP tech / heat / performance / power consump in NOTE 3 already .........
They were brave enough to have it on display at an exhibition ..... the update seems promising from what I can see!
On the "tune.pk" site there's a "video 1058551" showing "Samsung-Exynos5420-HMP-bigLITTLE-demo" with all 8-cores running!
Hoping to see some actual benchmarks so we know what the before / after results are like!!!

gudodayn said:
Got a feeling they're testing the HMP tech / heat / performance / power consump in NOTE 3 already .........
They were brave enough to have it on display at an exhibition ..... the update seems promising from what I can see!
On the "tune.pk" site there's a "video 1058551" showing "Samsung-Exynos5420-HMP-bigLITTLE-demo" with all 8-cores running!
Hoping to see some actual benchmarks so we know what the before / after results are like!!!
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I'd be inclined to agree with you. The Lite/Neo Note 3 has it enabled for all 6 cores apparently according to Sammobile

radicalisto said:
I'd be inclined to agree with you. The Lite/Neo Note 3 has it enabled for all 6 cores apparently according to Sammobile
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The lady from Samsung and Samsung wasnt hiding the Note3 device either ……
My contract is up soon ……
I hope benchmarks show up soon so I can get an idea of either the LTE or 3G one to get!

If you see some of the tweets of SamsungExynos on twitter here https://twitter.com/SamsungExynos it's easy to have a wild guess HMP will be soon released, just a wild guess though looking at their tweets.

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I'd be inclined to agree with you. The Lite/Neo Note 3 has it enabled for all 6 cores apparently according to Sammobile
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5260 in note3 lite is obbly to be used with hmp.. why?
Cluster and core migrations may have the equal numbers of cores for each clusters, or kernel code won't works
I don't think if samsung will release hmp for the n900 or not.. the only thing i could say is: if samsung will relase a good source code.. I will extract the hmp from the note3 lite code , modify, and add it in my own kernel build.. and this for all kernel modders..
sure, i hope for a direct hmp upgrade by samsung, it will be better, but, we'll do all to try to run it..
I tryed to compile a code takken from internet witch tryes to load hmp.. but.. no possibilities due to an incompatibility with too mouch dependencies of the kernel code, traduct, actual source code is RUBBISH!
We are running universal drivers without any CCI code nor the real base of hmp..
source code core and cluster migration were writes TWO YEARS AGO!
We are runnin a code wroted for the 5410!! Not the 5420!!
That's why our exy suks compared to hmp features!

**** you samsung

Why do we want HMP activated ? The Android OS is not that advanced to be able to manage heat & conserve batteries even on KitKat. Enabling HMP will only ruin the phone hardware and shorting its age. Decision must have been made with careful reasonings.