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Samsung releases Galaxy Tab 2 - same, same, but different?

Just noticed the release of GT2, and it first I thought it was just a new name for GT7+. But, a closer look reveals a few differences, like a slower (!) CPU and no flash for the back camera..
* 1,0 GHz Dual-Core Processor (unspecified)
* 1 GB RAM
* 7" 1024x600 PLS TFT
* Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich)
* 3 Megapixel Rear Camera (no flash), VGA Front Camera
* 8/16/32GB User memory, microSD (up to 32GB)
* 193.7 x 122.4 x 10.5 mm, 344 g
* Li-ion 4,000mAh
Prices here in Sweden will be (incl. 25 % tax):
* Wi-Fi: 2 995 SEK (~450 USD)
* 3G: 3 695 SEK (~556 USD)
Anyway, the most interesting thing imho is that the tablet in question will ship in March, according to Samsung with ICS on board. As the hardware is more or less similar (assuming the GT2 has 1,0 GHz Exynos), can we hope for some kind of official update around that time too?

I for one am a little pissed about this device. I spent $400 on a Tab Plus and instead of Samsung using their resources getting ICS out and fix the various bugs, they decide to build ANOTHER device that looks the exact same as the one they already have out.
The only reason that I can see is that the Exynos processor is causing issues and they cannot seem to fix like how my device heats up on the left side (processor side btw) so they make a new one with a different processor chip.
Either way, I feel like I've gotten the shaft with this device as I'm stuck with a gimpy version of Honeycomb and looks to be already phased out after 4 months. I guess it could be worse though... I could have gotten the T-former Prime v1.

kind of weird. why release this? got a feeling ics for our tab 7 plus will be delayed over and over again or Samsung will just end up not releasing it for the 7 plus.
the 7 plus is already down to $350. if released in USA, I find it hard to believe to sell for higher or even both at same time. awkward.
pretty sure its a tegra chip.

And my friends....Welcome to the world of Samsung. I've been saying it since the original galaxy S line. Their idea of a software update is to release a new product. We will get ICS but not this quarter and probably not the next either.
Geesh, it even looks the same.
http://m.techcrunch.com/2012/02/13/meet-samsungs-first-android-4-0-tablet-the-7-inch-galaxy-tab-2/
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Hm.. Well, if it is Tegra 2 under the hood, there is a big difference (in favor for the Plus, performance wise).
Has someone found a confirmation for which SoC that is used?

Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), the fact that it has no LED flash, and a lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 wifi tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.

rkmj said:
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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I actually was a little upset that we get no ICS and that samsung did the same like they did with the Galaxy S and the Galaxy S 4G or something like that, but then I looked at the specs and it seems that you may be right as it seems to be made as a budget tablet.

rkmj said:
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor), the fact that it has no LED flash, and a lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 wifi tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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You make good points and I get what you’re saying but I can’t believe that a dual core tegra 2(???) 7” tablet is Samsungs answer to the Asus 7” quad core rumored at CES. I mean you said it yourself; the specs are subpar compared to the 7+ so how is it going to compare on paper of head to head? Looking at the pricing of this new Samsung it’s hard to make a case for it comparing it to the Asus, which will be sub $300. If they really wanted to compete they could’ve lowered the 7+ to $299 and upgraded it to ICS. Now that’s a tablet that would sell.
I’m not grabbing the pitchfork over this one because I’m not overly concerned with ICS, I have a Galaxy Nexus and it’s really not that distant from HC. Besides, I learned a while ago not to buy stuff for what you want it to be but for what it is. With that said, I do believe the 7+ will see ICS but not before they’ve milked every dollar out of their latest release. I learned this first hand with Samsung.
Unless this new tablet is $199-$249, I don’t see the point. Why would they have two 7” tablets in the same price range with similar specs?
Until pricing and target markets are confirmed we should take a deep breath. I like to bang on Samsung but they aren't alone, a lot of manufacturers do this. Two weeks after the Transformer prime was realeased Asus announced a new "better" prime.

lrs421 said:
You make good points and I get what you’re saying but I can’t believe that a dual core tegra 2(???) 7” tablet is Samsungs answer to the Asus 7” quad core rumored at CES. I mean you said it yourself; the specs are subpar compared to the 7+ so how is it going to compare on paper of head to head? Looking at the pricing of this new Samsung it’s hard to make a case for it comparing it to the Asus, which will be sub $300. If they really wanted to compete they could’ve lowered the 7+ to $299 and upgraded it to ICS. Now that’s a tablet that would sell.
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Keep in mind that even though Asus has announced the sub $300 price, there's no guarantee that they'll actually launch at that price - or even if they do, that it'll be available in quantity early enough to matter. Note, for example, the supply problems they've been having with the Transformer Prime.
Let's say it takes a quarter to go from rumor to finalized design, then another quarter to ramp up manufacturing. That's 6 months out.
In the meantime, Samsung has proven that they can 1) deliver their 7" tablets in quantity right now and 2) they can hit the $350 price point on their 7" tablet right now (which lends credence to the $300 or $250 price point if they ship with cheaper components). With B&N and Amazon selling Nook Tablets and Kindle Fires by the truckloads, there's ample opportunity for Samsung to get in at the $200-250 price point and get their share of profits before quad core 7" tablets are able to compete at that price point.
In other words, this isn't a device I'm interested in but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of potential Nook or Kindle customers who would be.

I'll wait to see their official pricing, unless this thing is under $300, which I'm not convinced it will be, I don't see the point. If the overseas pricing is any indication this will not be marketed as a budget tab.
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This is called
Market Cannibalization
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcannibilization.asp
not good

h2g2 said:
Keep in mind that even though Asus has announced the sub $300 price, there's no guarantee that they'll actually launch at that price - or even if they do, that it'll be available in quantity early enough to matter. Note, for example, the supply problems they've been having with the Transformer Prime.
Let's say it takes a quarter to go from rumor to finalized design, then another quarter to ramp up manufacturing. That's 6 months out.
In the meantime, Samsung has proven that they can 1) deliver their 7" tablets in quantity right now and 2) they can hit the $350 price point on their 7" tablet right now (which lends credence to the $300 or $250 price point if they ship with cheaper components). With B&N and Amazon selling Nook Tablets and Kindle Fires by the truckloads, there's ample opportunity for Samsung to get in at the $200-250 price point and get their share of profits before quad core 7" tablets are able to compete at that price point.
In other words, this isn't a device I'm interested in but that doesn't mean there aren't millions of potential Nook or Kindle customers who would be.
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You make a great point here that I had missed entirely. This may not be slated to fight the ASUS ME370T (the CES teased $250 Tegra 3 tablet,) this may be trying to claw back some of the low-end marketshare from the Kindle Fire and the Nook, which would make even more sense. On top of that, we have to remember that ASUS is attempting to enter that market as well. While the $250 ME370T is at best 2 quarters out, ASUS has officially announced the EeePad MeMo (ME171) which will have a 7-inch WXGA (1,280 x 800) IPS capacitive touchpanel, a 1.2GHz dual-core Qualcomm 8260 processor, a gigabyte of memory, 16GB / 32GB of storage, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, a 1.2 megapixel front / 5 megapixel rear camera (with 1080p recording), an A-GPS sensor, gyroscope, proximity sensor and a micro-USB port. I have a feeling that the Galaxy Tab 2 is going to be competing with the similarly specced ME171. I'm going to wait until MWC, or a bit after to see what Samsung plans to unveil to fight the quad core war.

But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.

rkmj said:
I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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Agreed.
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lrs421 said:
But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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Samsung unveils Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0), brings ICS on the cheap
We've got no exact price quote for the Samsung Galaxy Tab 2 (7.0) just yet, but is should slide somewhere beneath the Galaxy Tab 7.0 Plus, which is currently going for about €320. Sales should start in March.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_unveils_galaxy_tab_2_brings_ics_on_the_cheap-news-3816.php

As to Samsung updating - Samsung is actually (usually) fairly good at updating non-carrier-branded devices in a timely fashion.
Carrier-branded devices (especially in North America) are a whole different story... Samsung doesn't seem to have the balls to stand up to carriers.

looks to me like the typical normal single core phone will now be a dual core in 2012. and why not use a cheap tegra 2?

rkmj said:
I think we're going to have to wait until Samsung officially announces pricing in the US before we can decide on the nature of Samsung's decision to launch this product.
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Don't forget carrier subsidies. T-Mobile carries the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus at $250 with contract, where I'm sure Huawei is eating Samsung's lunch with the $100 Springboard. A Tab2 at $200 or, if they can manage it, $150, would probably fair better.
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lrs421 said:
But that would only make sense if this tablet is priced in the nook and kindle price range. This doesn't appear to be the case. Samsung doesn't appear to be marketing this as a budget product, they really never do,
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No US price has been announced yet as far as I know. Don't let the Swedish prices throw you off - prices in different regions are dictated by many market forces beyond just currency exchange rates.
For example, right now, the Swedes can buy a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, 16GB WiFi only version, for about 320GBP from Amazon.co.uk (about 500USD) or the N version from Amazon.co.de for about 350 euros (about 460USD).
But for us yankees, Amazon US has the same device for only 350USD.
So even based on the prices in the OP, the Tab2 is coming in about ~50USD cheaper for the WiFi only version vs. the Tab 7 Plus.

h2g2 said:
Don't forget carrier subsidies. T-Mobile carries the Galaxy Tab 7 Plus at $250 with contract, where I'm sure Huawei is eating Samsung's lunch with the $100 Springboard. A Tab2 at $200 or, if they can manage it, $150, would probably fair better.
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No US price has been announced yet as far as I know. Don't let the Swedish prices throw you off - prices in different regions are dictated by many market forces beyond just currency exchange rates.
For example, right now, the Swedes can buy a Galaxy Tab 7 Plus, 16GB WiFi only version, for about 320GBP from Amazon.co.uk (about 500USD) or the N version from Amazon.co.de for about 350 euros (about 460USD).
But for us yankees, Amazon US has the same device for only 350USD.
So even based on the prices in the OP, the Tab2 is coming in about ~50USD cheaper for the WiFi only version vs. the Tab 7 Plus.
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Thanks for the breakdown. Going to be interesting.
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Phablet competition getting fierce?

By Krishan Sharma:
The competition is set to heat up further with both HTC and Nokia rumoured to be releasing a phablet each by the end of the year and even Apple reportedly working on screen sizes of up to 6-inches
On top of that, there’s increasing competition from Chinese brands such as Huawei and CoolPad with low cost sub $US200 phablets. So plenty at stake here for Samsung and the Galaxy Note 3 just might let it hold on to the phablet crown for now.
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I think that in order to assure competition stays behind, all Samsung has to do is reduce Gnote3 abusive price..
Are you listening Samsung people?
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Go get one of the cheap a$$ $200 phablets with 1gb of ram , etc ...there is no comparison those are just cheap knock offs ... yes htc is finally going to make one haha 3 years after the first and of course apple is going to inovate the whole world with their Iphablet somehow it will be the first according to every fanboi ... You get what you pay for samsung has 3gb of ram yes it could have a non pentile screen but it will be a great device
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I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
Let's see how its price will look like over a couple of months from now.
Gladly, as a owner of the excellent GNote2, I am not in a hurry.
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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betoNL said:
I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
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Samsung (or any other manufacturer) will get away with the highest pricing they think the market will bear. There's no doubt the price will drop over time. It's kind of like buying a new car. If you buy it at the beginning of the model year you'll pay top dollar. If you buy it at the end of model year after the next generation's been announced you'll pay a hell of a lot less. You quoted what's happened to N2 pricing now that the N3's out.
As for the N3 vs. other phablets you do get a lot for the abusive price
32GB of NAND and 3GB of RAM
An inductive Wacom-esque display for inking and a Synaptics overlay for using some air-control features without needing the pen
Sensors for accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature, humidity, gesture
The new Qualcomm Envelope Tracking power saving chip
USB 3.0
MHL 2.0
4.3 (a short lived benefit)
Top tier components of the highest quality and "newness"
A removable battery which adds design complexity and cost
Samsung's army of s/w (though not everyone uses all the features)
Samsung's devices generally have a good durability record
The Note-series has always been aimed at "creation" and "productivity" and because of S Pen/S Note doesn't really have a lot of competition. All the other phablets that are out and coming out are really just giant versions of each manufacturers phone family and focused on consumption. So people who really want a giant phone have lots of choices. People that appreciate S Pen/S Note will pay the abusive price. I'm one of those people and if it weren't for S Pen/S Note I'd have a 4.7/5.2" standard-size phone and there's no guarantee it would be a Samsung. The N2 sold 15-20% of what the SGS3 did. If Samsung can abuse that same percentage of people to go for a N3 it'll be a hit. Time will tell.

Unless competitors add extensive stylus capabilities there will be no other phablet I consider in my phone quest. If I wanted a regular smartphone I'd opt for a S4 or something of the like. The productivity potential of the Note puts it above the competition for my use

@BarryH_GEG ,
Hey man, you promised me then, to always quote my posts integrally :laugh: :laugh: .
I know you are in love with with the GN3 ( or..are you a Samsung share holder?) and of course if I have to choose among an abusively priced HTC or an abusively priced Sony or an abusively priced Samsung like the GN3 I will always go for the GN3, since, just like you, I am also impressed with its specs and being a GNote series user since the beginning and all, however ...
An abuse is an abuse no matter what...( and the damn Apple is the one that started this trend of abusive prices, among other crap....).
And I am very optimistic that I will keep the willpower and wait as long as possible till prices get a lot less abusive and hoping to sell my excellent GN2 for a good price around then.
A buddy of my already laughed and said I won't be able to wait that long and will get that beast sooner than I think...but I am trying....
And if I wait too long I will probably will get the GN4 instead, with a (probably) flexible screen, abusive price and all
My primary goal is: resist all temptations and I have a very good phone right now to help me to achieve that.
At least we agree that the prices are abusive.
Do you hear Samsung? Abusive!
Anyway I am hopeful:
Here in Holland the Galaxy S4 is already 100 euros ($130) cheaper than the HTC one....and guess which one keeps selling way more?
Better + better price = competition killer.
And that's what I meant with that part of my post that you left behind in your quote:
betoNL said:
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
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Strategy, and above all , THINKING AHEAD
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I can relate
betoNL said:
By Krishan Sharma:
I think that in order to assure competition stays behind, all Samsung has to do is reduce Gnote3 abusive price..
Are you listening Samsung people?
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Krishan,
You have brought up some interesting points.
I do think that Samsung have got away with it because the NOTE series is still unique, in my mind. No one else has really managed to get such good integration of a stylus. I hope that some of the competitors do get much better in the Phablet category.
As an owner of the NOTE1 I decided not to get a NOTE2 but I am very keen to get the GN3. I am still willing to pay "TOP Dollor" because no one else gives me this type of passage. However I expect by next year it will have changed. Because a lot of companies are now paying serious attention to this category of device.
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Back in the day (in non-phone geek's eyes), if you had an Android phone, you had a "Droid." Now, if you have an Android phone, you have a "Galaxy."
Back then, you would pay top dollar for a Motorola Droid, since that is what people thought of when they went to purchase an Android phone. The Galaxy series has since (by far) taken the spotlight when it comes to Android. Therefore they are doing what any successful corporation would do; taking advantage of the popularity and charging more for the name.
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betoNL said:
[MENTION=1493949]Hey man, you promised me then, to always quote my posts integrally :laugh: :laugh: .
I know you are in love with with the GN3 ( or..are you a Samsung share holder?) and of course if I have to choose among an abusively priced HTC or an abusively priced Sony or an abusively priced Samsung like the GN3 I will always go for the GN3, since, just like you, I am also impressed with its specs and being a GNote series user since the beginning and all, however ...
An abuse is an abuse no matter what...( and the damn Apple is the one that started this trend of abusive prices, among other crap....).
And I am very optimistic that I will keep the willpower and wait as long as possible till prices get a lot less abusive and hoping to sell my excellent GN2 for a good price around then.
A buddy of my already laughed and said I won't be able to wait that long and will get that beast sooner than I think...but I am trying....
And if I wait too long I will probably will get the GN4 instead, with a (probably) flexible screen, abusive price and all
My primary goal is: resist all temptations and I have a very good phone right now to help me to achieve that.
At least we agree that the prices are abusive.
Do you hear Samsung? Abusive!
Anyway I am hopeful:
Here in Holland the Galaxy S4 is already 100 euros ($130) cheaper than the HTC one....and guess which one keeps selling way more?
Better + better price = competition killer.
And that's what I meant with that part of my post that you left behind in your quote: Strategy, and above all , THINKING AHEAD.
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See, I quoted your entire post.
As for "love," I love my family, dogs, and closest friends. My devices are my devices. I'm excited about the N3 because I think it's cool and I've had my N7100 since November (a long time for me) and am itching for something new.
Here's part of my rationalization for buying early when prices are higher. I'd be lying if I said I didn't like having the newest tech before everyone else and showing it off. The life cycle of devices used to be about a year but now the DNA and N4 are considered ancient and the SGS4 and One aren't even "new" anymore; at least on XDA. So if I pay 20% more to have a new toy earlier and get to show off a bit I consider it worth it. YMMV of course.
P.S. - I swore I wouldn't but I pre-ordered a Gear when I found out you can shake it to turn it on which a lot of reviewers missed. It'll go well with my N3 and 3G Note 10.1 2014. Sigh. I'm tech addicted.

Samsung has put a lot into this device and certainly it is worthy of the price point. Besides in the US no one pays full price unless they want to. I have done it many times, but I opted to use my upgrade this time around.

Where's the address for that "techoholic anonymous" ?
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betoNL said:
I think that a 700 euros ($930 )pre-order price, is abusive no matter what, even for a state-of-the-art, high-end super smartphone...
Let's see how its price will look like over a couple of months from now.
Gladly, as a owner of the excellent GNote2, I am not in a hurry.
It's not about value or quality comparisons, is about strategy...
As a consumer, you don't have to accept or even justify, big corporations abusive prices policies.
Let them do that...be clever...
.
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iPhone 5s (32gb) - 739 EUR preorder price
HTC One - 661 EUR preorder price
Note 2 - 650 EUR preorder price
LG G2 - 629 EUR preorder price
Lumia 1020 - 699 EUR preorder price
Given the price and specs of the Note 3's competition and predecessor I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised with the pricing. In my opinion, it's the cost of being on the bleeding edge. I don't see how the pricing is abusive when looking at similar devices. Keeping in mind the Note is the only high end device with a Wacom digitizer..

Maverick777 said:
iPhone 5s (32gb) - 739 EUR preorder price
HTC One - 661 EUR preorder price
Note 2 - 650 EUR preorder price
LG G2 - 629 EUR preorder price
Lumia 1020 - 699 EUR preorder price
Given the price and specs of the Note 3's competition and predecessor I'm not sure how anyone can be surprised with the pricing. In my opinion, it's the cost of being on the bleeding edge. I don't see how the pricing is abusive when looking at similar devices. Keeping in mind the Note is the only high end device with a Wacom digitizer..
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They were/are all abusive prices.
I bought my Note2 a couple of months after the pre-order period for 530 Euros ( around 130 euros cheaper)
Today the Note2 is costing around 410 euros over here ( online)
It's just a matter of how long a high-techoholic / gadgetoholic can resist and wait :cyclops:
And the iPhone is not an example, cause it's for ubber-suckers :laugh:
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Note 3 why the sudden price drop?

Note 3 launched in September at around £600, I bought mine last week brand new for £429 sim free from Scan only 3 months after launch, it seems a couple of places are selling the Note 3 for under £500 aswell, why has the price suddenly dropped so much?.
I had a iPhone 5S 32GB prior to the Note 3, as i wanted to give iOS a try, after being with Android for years, but my love affair with Apple didn't last long and it was sold & only loosing £50 when i sold it, which paid for both the Note 3 & a Moto G 8GB.
With the price dropping like it is, it doesn't bode well for resale value next year, as I'm one of those that like to sell my handset to paid towards the next latest & greatest, which will either be the S5 or Note 4, probs more likely the Note 4 now.

Samsung phones always drop in price very quickly. .. especially compared to iPhone.
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ixon2001 said:
Note 3 launched in September at around £600, I bought mine last week brand new for £429 sim free from Scan only 3 months after launch, it seems a couple of places are selling the Note 3 for under £500 aswell, why has the price suddenly dropped so much?.
I had a iPhone 5S 32GB prior to the Note 3, as i wanted to give iOS a try, after being with Android for years, but my love affair with Apple didn't last long and it was sold & only loosing £50 when i sold it, which paid for both the Note 3 & a Moto G 8GB.
With the price dropping like it is, it doesn't bode well for resale value next year, as I'm one of those that like to sell my handset to paid towards the next latest & greatest, which will either be the S5 or Note 4, probs more likely the Note 4 now.
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yeah sammys resale is always crap i do what you do sell the phone for the next one,back in the days of iphone the resale was great

because Samsung is not Apple. a Samsung S-view cover costs more than a cheap indian tablet with a 1Ghz processor, webcam Android 4 and decent looking
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506€ now in greece ?
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Because all lose it's price.. cars.. pc.. all.. the time of life of a phone is 1 year.. over that it won't be produced, and price goes to 1/2 of the initial..
Iphone is the ONLY ONE "CHEAP" PRODUCT witch doesen't decrease it's value.. why? Because people are stupid and pays an higher price only to have a phone..

When i traded in my S2 for a S3 resale value on the S2 was still very good at the time, if i had sold it i would have gotten more.
It seems since the S3 resale value on all Galaxy phones have really taken an hit, those with a S4 that plan on selling next year for the S5 will probably get next to nothing for it being only a 16GB device.

iba21 said:
Because all lose it's price.. cars.. pc.. all.. the time of life of a phone is 1 year.. over that it won't be produced, and price goes to 1/2 of the initial..
Iphone is the ONLY ONE "CHEAP" PRODUCT witch doesen't decrease it's value.. why? Because people are stupid and pays an higher price only to have a phone..
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This of course is the top reason :laugh:
ixon2001 said:
When i traded in my S2 for a S3 resale value on the S2 was still very good at the time, if i had sold it i would have gotten more.
It seems since the S3 resale value on all Galaxy phones have really taken an hit, those with a S4 that plan on selling next year for the S5 will probably get next to nothing for it being only a 16GB device.
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The actual reason might not be so much the specific model, but instead the sheer volume of those devices - Samsung made at least twice more S3 devices (most of those sold very early) than S2 (which still saw a lot of later models for other markets, but those were already re-positioned clearly below the original top-level price).

€470 in Germany,
€687 in Netherlands
And people wonder why I don't buy my hardware here?
Anyway, prices always drop rather quickly on nearly all devices after a few months. Apple being the exception because they know they can ask 100% even after two years and their customers are stupid enough to pay it. They pay it for a 'new' device, too. Even if it's identical to the last 3.

Probably because of knox.
Lest you forget,ppl buy samdung's fone so they can install custom rom to utilise their great hardware.
with knox,tripping it will void warranty(and resale value) and stock TW is full of bloatware lagging the phone like a snail.
samdung's note3 with knox and no way of removing it,is akin to apple telling u how to hold ur phone for a better reception.
very soon,they are going to lose more customers thanks to knox.

frostmore said:
Probably because of knox.
Lest you forget,ppl buy samdung's fone so they can install custom rom to utilise their great hardware.
with knox,tripping it will void warranty(and resale value) and stock TW is full of bloatware lagging the phone like a snail.
samdung's note3 with knox and no way of removing it,is akin to apple telling u how to hold ur phone for a better reception.
very soon,they are going to lose more customers thanks to knox.
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Knox has nothing to do with it, 99% of people that buy Samsung smartphones don't care if it has Knox or not most probably don't even know what it does or even know it there.
You could trip the Knox 0x1, and still sell it on as normal, as most buyers won't even notice it as they don't go customizing or use it's security features.

It won't drop anymore now until the Note 4 and even after it's release for a little.
Samsung phones always come very expensive, reduce to a lower price (but still expensive) after a few months and stay there until they are discontinued.

I bought mine for 500eu new in Belgium.
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In Singapore.
It was £475.00 back in September.
It is now selling at £412.00. Since November.
I guess that the market is now flooded with millions of Note 3, thus the price dropped.
It is good for the consumers. So, I don't care a **** because I bought a phone to use it and not to worry about its resale value in the future.
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app

Fun and sad fact is I can never sell my phones, I feel bad and just put them on my desk to be remembered

Hey! Also bought mine from Scan UK via their eBay store (by the way, never buy from SimplyElectronics, don't be tempted by the cheap prices).
Been using it and can see myself using this device for at least a year and a half. I tend to swith to new one every year. Upgrading from a Nexus 4.
Now regarding the price drop, several factors to take into consideration:
* This is Samsung. They can afford to drop the price, and still grab marketshare and get a profit.
* The holiday season!
* Knox
I'm very happy with the phone. It's the best long lasting device I've had since the Nokia days of Symbian, and boy does USB3 charge this baby fast!
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BS, €520 in the Netherlands, brand- and simlockfree. When you don't believe me here Tweakers price survey Note 3: http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/347258/samsung-galaxy-note-3-zwart.html
And people wonder why I don't buy my hardware here?
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Yeah I really wonder why you don't buy your hardware in the Netherlands, and last but not least, to make your 'happiness' complete, I bought my original DUTCH Note 3 for €525. Brand- and simlockfree. So no European model but the only real one. Anyways, when you live in the Netherlands like you and me.

kosmasgr said:
506€ now in greece ?
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Also 500 euros under the desk in Serbia
Sent from ****sung

Who cares? Ill be happy to see more people switching. That means more chances of getting more dev support.

The.Opethian said:
Hey! Also bought mine from Scan UK via their eBay store (by the way, never buy from SimplyElectronics, don't be tempted by the cheap prices).
Been using it and can see myself using this device for at least a year and a half. I tend to swith to new one every year. Upgrading from a Nexus 4.
Now regarding the price drop, several factors to take into consideration:
* This is Samsung. They can afford to drop the price, and still grab marketshare and get a profit.
* The holiday season!
* Knox
I'm very happy with the phone. It's the best long lasting device I've had since the Nokia days of Symbian, and boy does USB3 charge this baby fast!
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app
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After i bought it they dropped the price to £424 for a few days on ebay, on their own site they are selling it for £453 last time i checked, I went to pick mine up rather than have it delivered as I'm only 20 mins drive away from place.
As for Simply Electronics I'm surprised this company still allowed to trade as a UK base company, because they pretend they based in the UK, when really they based in Hong Kong, and all there stuff you order and eventually get weeks after if you get it at all that is are grey imports, plus because they based in Hong Kong you will have no protection under the UK Sale Of Goods Act if something goes wrong & you try to get it sorted under warranty then forget it, but yet thousand of people each year are duped into the low prices & Trading Standards don't seem to do anything about them.

HTC A9 vs Xiaomi Redmi 3

What you think about the Redmi 3?
It's the better/cheaper A9 from China?

Definitely wayyyy cheaper, but the A9 has the better components to it. Better when compared to the price difference? Probably not, but still better.
If you live in a region where you can easily get the Redmi 3 and it matched your network bands, it's probably the better choice. The only region where the A9 makes sense is in North America.

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Definitely wayyyy cheaper, but the A9 has the better components to it. Better when compared to the price difference? Probably not, but still better.
If you live in a region where you can easily get the Redmi 3 and it matched your network bands, it's probably the better choice. The only region where the A9 makes sense is in North America.
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The battery life is almost 100% bigger. LOL. I'm in Singapore and usually the phone will release in China itself first before making way to other countries after few months. by that time, they are ready to out another new model of redmi/note/Mi series again. with their price being so close to each other, it's hard to justify the purchase when another model is coming out soon again.

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The battery life is almost 100% bigger. LOL. I'm in Singapore and usually the phone will release in China itself first before making way to other countries after few months. by that time, they are ready to out another new model of redmi/note/Mi series again. with their price being so close to each other, it's hard to justify the purchase when another model is coming out soon again.
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Yup. Much bigger battery.
The only problem with that line of thought is that you just never end up buying anything, as something new is always just around the horizon. If the OP needs a phone right now, the Redmi 3 offers some great bang for the buck *provided* you live in the target market. The A9 is a great device, it's just priced too high (and comes with weaker internals outside of NA).

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Yup. Much bigger battery.
The only problem with that line of thought is that you just never end up buying anything, as something new is always just around the horizon. If the OP needs a phone right now, the Redmi 3 offers some great bang for the buck *provided* you live in the target market. The A9 is a great device, it's just priced too high (and comes with weaker internals outside of NA).
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Ya it's sgd798 which is usd554.38 for the 32GB version.
I've gotten a 16gb export version for usd329. Not a heavy user so I guess 2gb ram is good enough.
& I already got 64GB memory card standby for it.
There's only Xiaomi that price is comparable to their original market (in this case, china, because anything under $200 is dirt cheap).
Even OnePlus doesn't feel cheap over here, around usd 30-40 more expensive than US itself (the hype starts in US afterall)

Question [INDIA] Galaxy S22 Ultra news + discussion thread.

Looks like India might be getting the Snapdragon this year. How many of you are going to upgrade? I've already sold my S21 Ultra in anticipation for the S22 Ultra.

For me, it's too early to decide based on rumours and conjecture alone. Will wait for a month after the device is out in people's hands before making the decision. I stayed back on A11 on my S21U so phone performance is still very good. Thankfully, i downgraded from A12 before the bootloader update so I was able to roll back. If A12 performance on S22U is similar to the S21U, I would stay clear of it.
As far as chipset is concerned, I don't really have an issue with the E2100. Unlike previous Exynos SoCs, I quite liked the E2100. It's very comparable to the SD888 performance, really closing the gap this year. In some aspects I actually prefer the E2100, especially is thermal performance and stand-by battery drain, when compared to the SD counterpart.
The S22U isn't offering anything more than an inbuilt stylus and a generational chipset upgrade. Not sure if the increase in performance will justify the extra cost of upgrading.
The phone has got to be something really special and miles ahead of the S21U for me to spend another 60-70k (assuming S21U exchange discount, bank offers etc). If I was upgrading from S20U to S22U, I could justify it, but from the S21U, only time will tell if it's worth the money.

Yes this is pain as no one yet know what version release in India
According to some reports southeast countries will get SD so according to this we may get Exynos
I am planning to buy but want to go with international version, as its useless if you develop and no audience there. Let's see.

dr.ketan said:
Yes this is pain as no one yet know what version release in India
According to some reports southeast countries will get SD so according to this we may get Exynos
I am planning to buy but want to go with international version, as its useless if you develop and no audience there. Let's see.
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Looks like it is almost confirmed to be Snapdragon in India.

enigmaamit said:
For me, it's too early to decide based on rumours and conjecture alone. Will wait for a month after the device is out in people's hands before making the decision. I stayed back on A11 on my S21U so phone performance is still very good. Thankfully, i downgraded from A12 before the bootloader update so I was able to roll back. If A12 performance on S22U is similar to the S21U, I would stay clear of it.
As far as chipset is concerned, I don't really have an issue with the E2100. Unlike previous Exynos SoCs, I quite liked the E2100. It's very comparable to the SD888 performance, really closing the gap this year. In some aspects I actually prefer the E2100, especially is thermal performance and stand-by battery drain, when compared to the SD counterpart.
The S22U isn't offering anything more than an inbuilt stylus and a generational chipset upgrade. Not sure if the increase in performance will justify the extra cost of upgrading.
The phone has got to be something really special and miles ahead of the S21U for me to spend another 60-70k (assuming S21U exchange discount, bank offers etc). If I was upgrading from S20U to S22U, I could justify it, but from the S21U, only time will tell if it's worth the money.
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IMO, i feel the S21U will get atleast 65 to 75K easily in exchange because,
1. S21 Ultra is out of stock at most places
2. S21 Ultra prices, new at places with stock may not go down
3. S22 Ultra won't be much of an upgrade so people may opt to buy S21 Ultra at a lower price

CONFIRMED!
Galaxy S21, S22 Galaxy S21 FE Galaxy Z Fold3, Z Flip3, Galaxy Tab S8 Will ALL get 4 major android updates AND 5 years of security updates!

Sukrith said:
IMO, i feel the S21U will get atleast 65 to 75K easily in exchange because,
1. S21 Ultra is out of stock at most places
2. S21 Ultra prices, new at places with stock may not go down
3. S22 Ultra won't be much of an upgrade so people may opt to buy S21 Ultra at a lower price
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I agree, I sold my S21 Ultra for 65k but it took sometime for me to find a buyer. The prices should be in the 55k range for S21 Ultra after the release of S22U. But regardless of that with all the goodies they will give (hopefully), the nett cost shouldn't be more than 30-35k. The nett cost for my Note 20U to S21U transfer was 10k.

Eagerly waiting for S22U/S22+. Will be looking to pre-order from corporate website with +ve news of SD version, 4 major android version is confirmed. Just waiting for prices & offers. Will be upgrading from OP7T, so it should be big upgrade. Looking at the specs s22+ can be dark horse this year.
With SD version being released in more areas, there's high probability of good custom ROM scene.
Has anyone tried Samsung exchange program ? Any experience to share ?

amit_sen said:
Eagerly waiting for S22U/S22+. Will be looking to pre-order from corporate website with +ve news of SD version, 4 major android version is confirmed. Just waiting for prices & offers. Will be upgrading from OP7T, so it should be big upgrade. Looking at the specs s22+ can be dark horse this year.
With SD version being released in more areas, there's high probability of good custom ROM scene.
Has anyone tried Samsung exchange program ? Any experience to share ?
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From what i know, SD versions of Samsung devices have been locked down since the beginning with all the custom rom things happening for the Exynos.

Sukrith said:
From what i know, SD versions of Samsung devices have been locked down since the beginning with all the custom rom things happening for the Exynos.
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That's only with US version, not CH & Hongkong so it will be interesting to know which version of SD will be launced in india.
Model number ending with '0' shoule be rootable but U won't. e.g. 'S9080' can be rooted "S908U" can't.
exynos model usually ended with "B" (in case 5G ) e.g "S908B"

"Note" worthy, with minimal improvements,
For S21U users,
This isn't gonna be an upgrade.
It'll be a "next version released, so buying it" thingy.

Do we think we will have issues with BL unlock disabling cameras?

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Do we think we will have issues with BL unlock disabling cameras?
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It shouldn't. Still need to know which version they are releasing in India.
Camera restriction they have applied on Fold3 but later with oneui 4.0 no more issue, so I don't think they will implement again

Why pre-book offer is so useless this time around with a flagship? Is it like "Hey, we are giving you Snadragon this time around, not those hard to convince inhouse Exynos", so stay happy with a smart tag?

Virgo_Guy said:
Why pre-book offer is so useless this time around with a flagship? Is it like "Hey, we are giving you Snadragon this time around, not those hard to convince inhouse Exynos", so stay happy with a smart tag?
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I think they will mention bank and other offers when they start taking pre-order this is just prereserve

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Why pre-book offer is so useless this time around with a flagship? Is it like "Hey, we are giving you Snadragon this time around, not those hard to convince inhouse Exynos", so stay happy with a smart tag?
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I don't think the actual cashback and accessory discount offers will be displayed till the price has been announced and deals struck with banks (most probably HDFC again).

Isn’t it odd that India still doesn’t have pricing or preorder date or retail launch announced even 24 hours past the global launch? Been buying every S flagship day 1 preorders and I can recall all the way back to 7 years when we started getting pricing and preorder info immediately. Anyone knows if pre-reserve can be clubbed with preorder when it opens up later? Last year I didn’t bother with pre reserve but did preorder directly from the Samsung India website for the ultra.

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Isn’t it odd that India still doesn’t have pricing or preorder date or retail launch announced even 24 hours past the global launch? Been buying every S flagship day 1 preorders and I can recall all the way back to 7 years when we started getting pricing and preorder info immediately. Anyone knows if pre-reserve can be clubbed with preorder when it opens up later? Last year I didn’t bother with pre reserve but did preorder directly from the Samsung India website for the ultra.
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They have done it before too, pre-reserve is just there way of keeping the hype active. Pre-reserve will club with Pre-order as usual. There partner is going to be HDFC or ICICI only as they are with most bankable users who have proven record of buying Samsung Devices.
Yet we don't get the price level of US. There they are giving 512gb for price of 256gb & 256gb for 128gb. We wont have 128gb & base will be 256gb. Pricing may start 1L+ uptil 1.2L

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They have done it before too, pre-reserve is just there way of keeping the hype active. Pre-reserve will club with Pre-order as usual. There partner is going to be HDFC or ICICI only as they are with most bankable users who have proven record of buying Samsung Devices.
Yet we don't get the price level of US. There they are giving 512gb for price of 256gb & 256gb for 128gb. We wont have 128gb & base will be 256gb. Pricing may start 1L+ uptil 1.2L
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Yeah not worried about price. And 256 is what I anyways have on the 21 ultra so will go for 256 again. But the nation wants to know when the pre orders begin?

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Yeah not worried about price. And 256 is what I anyways have on the 21 ultra so will go for 256 again. But the nation wants to know when the pre orders begin?
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anytime before 21st feb