Stock charger for extended battery??? - General Questions and Answers

Stock charger for extended battery??? - General Questions and Answers

Hello, I recently got my 6500mAh extended battery for my N7100 and I found that charging was pretty slow with the charger that comes with it (about eight hours for a full charge) compared with the stock charger that can charge the stock battery within one hour and half. Therefore, after reading the spec of the charger, I discovered that the slow charge was come from the fact that the output amperage of the charger was 800mA (800mAh). Therefore, by some calculation, 6500mAh/800mAh which was equal to eight hours. So, I then looked at the spec of the stock charger and I noticed that the output amperage is a bit higher, 2A (2000mAh). By the same calculation, I can predict that with the stock charger, I only need about three hours to completely charge my extended battery. Does anyone attempted to use a stock charger to charge an extended battery?

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[BATTERY] Cradle Chargers // Voltages, mAh

I'm interested in buying an external battery charger, or a cradle charger, so I can have two batteries going—one always charging outside of the phone—and thus never having to plug my phone in to charge. After a brief eBay search, all of the cheapest ones appear to be the same: you can find the model I'm referring to here.
My concern, however, is with the specifications listed, which read:
Input: AC 100-240V~50/60Hz 0.15A
Output: DC 4.2V~350mA~±50mA
USB: 5.2Vd.c.800mA
The output appears to be 300-400mA, which is slightly lower than a stock charger. As far as I know, this tells me how fast it will charge the battery. Since it will be plugged into the battery charger when I swap batteries (for the full discharge of the other battery), I don't care if it charges slower. However, the voltage appears to be quite low at 4.2V—and I'm entirely unsure how this will affect things. Will it still charge? Can it do damage to the battery? Should I not purchase this unit? What exactly does a lower/higher voltage mean?

Anyone?
Does it work? Is it safe? Does the lower voltage matter?

I've been using this same battery charger for over a year now. It charges my stock and extended battery (3500mAh) without any problem. Yes it does take longer compared to the normal charger to charge your battery because of the low mA but I don't think it has had any affect on my batteries. So the only downside is it takes comparatively longer to charge.

mo_danish said:
I've been using this same battery charger for over a year now. It charges my stock and extended battery (3500mAh) without any problem. Yes it does take longer compared to the normal charger to charge your battery because of the low mA but I don't think it has had any affect on my batteries. So the only downside is it takes comparatively longer to charge.
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Great! That's what I wanted to know. Thanks!

I have this charger as well. I can confirm that I have have not had any problems with the charger sense I got it. I ordered mine from Amazon here:
http://www.amazon.com/2600mAh-Batte...3352199&sr=8-4&keywords=Galaxy+note+batteries

[Q] Fast charge battery

I usually let it charge over night. However I found today it is charged very fast: less than 2hours from 30% to 100%. I used galaxy note 2 usb charger. Do you have the same experience of charging or my battery has problems?

yes i same with you

When your battery was at 30%, it means the charger had to charge 1610mA (30% of 2300mA is 690mA). The Galaxy Note 2 charger has an output amperage of 2000mA. So you can imagine it won't take very long.
[update] Hm I misread note for tab. I have a tab 2 with a 2A charger. Not sure what the note 2 charger can output, but I'm guessing it will be above average.

Petrovski80 said:
When your battery was at 30%, it means the charger had to charge 1610mA (30% of 2300mA is 690mA). The Galaxy Note 2 charger has an output amperage of 2000mA. So you can imagine it won't take very long.
[update] Hm I misread note for tab. I have a tab 2 with a 2A charger. Not sure what the note 2 charger can output, but I'm guessing it will be above average.
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Thanks. I will check the output of note 2 usb charger and do the math.

Stock Nexus 5 charger also charges it from 0 to 100% in less than 2 hours.

Dont forget that the devices kernel determines how much mA is drawn from a charger and not how much may a charger is rated for
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Not all milliamps are the same
It seems to be a common misconception that the number of milliamp-hours of your battery and the milliamp rating of your charger have a fixed relationship.They don't. It does not automatically follow that a 2000mAh battery will take 2 hours to charge from a 1000mA charger, or that the charge current will be 1000mA. Charge current can easily - and safely - be higher than the mA rating of the charger. Or lower.
The N5 battery is rated at 3.8V 2300mAh (typical) and, crucially, 8.74 watt hours. A 5V 1000mA charger can supply a maximum of 5 watts (5 volts x 1 amp). Voltage converters within the N5 change this 5 watts of power from 5V to 3.8V to suit the battery - and this could be at about 1250mA (assuming a not-unreasonable 95% conversion efficiency).
The battery voltage varies with the state of charge, reaching about 4.2V when fully charged. Even then, the charge current could be as high as 1130mA without drawing more than 1000mA from the 5V charger.
An earlier poster pointed out that charging is under control of the CPU (I suspect instead a dedicated charging circuit but that's irrelevant) and it is very likely that a) the charging current varies significantly during the charging cycle and b) it is unlikely that the charging circuit demands precisely the maximum that the charger can supply. But it is quite likely that the actual current being put into the battery is numerically higher than that being drawn from the source. It's the power in watts that counts, not the number of milliamps.
Batteries are not perfect, meaning you don't get out all you put in. If the battery was completely flat you would have to put in more than 8.74wh in to bring it up to full charge (although a totally flat Li-ion battery is dead beyond redemption; the battery life shown on the screen is the useable life, not ultimate power capacity).
Sometimes the charger rating, battery capacity and charge time seem to line up, but that's more due to a happy accident than anything else. A 40,000mA charger won't juice your phone from flat in four minutes!
Batteries, and charging, are complex...

G1MFG said:
It seems to be a common misconception that the number of milliamp-hours of your battery and the milliamp rating of your charger have a fixed relationship.They don't. It does not automatically follow that a 2000mAh battery will take 2 hours to charge from a 1000mA charger, or that the charge current will be 1000mA. Charge current can easily - and safely - be higher than the mA rating of the charger. Or lower.
The N5 battery is rated at 3.8V 2300mAh (typical) and, crucially, 8.74 watt hours. A 5V 1000mA charger can supply a maximum of 5 watts (5 volts x 1 amp). Voltage converters within the N5 change this 5 watts of power from 5V to 3.8V to suit the battery - and this could be at about 1250mA (assuming a not-unreasonable 95% conversion efficiency).
The battery voltage varies with the state of charge, reaching about 4.2V when fully charged. Even then, the charge current could be as high as 1130mA without drawing more than 1000mA from the 5V charger.
An earlier poster pointed out that charging is under control of the CPU (I suspect instead a dedicated charging circuit but that's irrelevant) and it is very likely that a) the charging current varies significantly during the charging cycle and b) it is unlikely that the charging circuit demands precisely the maximum that the charger can supply. But it is quite likely that the actual current being put into the battery is numerically higher than that being drawn from the source. It's the power in watts that counts, not the number of milliamps.
Batteries are not perfect, meaning you don't get out all you put in. If the battery was completely flat you would have to put in more than 8.74wh in to bring it up to full charge (although a totally flat Li-ion battery is dead beyond redemption; the battery life shown on the screen is the useable life, not ultimate power capacity).
Sometimes the charger rating, battery capacity and charge time seem to line up, but that's more due to a happy accident than anything else. A 40,000mA charger won't juice your phone from flat in four minutes!
Batteries, and charging, are complex...
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This. Well said.

Your suspicions are correct, it does have a dedicated charging circuit. This chip is responsible for charging. Input current appears to be capped at 1200mA. Measured with my DMM last night and never saw the phone draw more than 960mA when charging with the screen off. It stayed like that until the battery was around 95% charged, then gradually tapered off from there as the battery reached 100%.

Can anyone recommend an app that shows real time current draw? It would also be cool if the app showed how much power the phone is using in real time.
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wolfca said:
Thanks a lot. It did look complicated. As long as the fast charging is normal, I don't worry too much.
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That's the ticket. When used with the correct charger, a modern phone battery takes a couple of hours to charge fully, a bit longer with a lower-rated charger. Or you can top up a bit if you have a few minutes spare. It's much better than the early mobiles with Ni-Cd batteries that took overnight to charge. And required weightlifting training before you could even pick them up!

Can this phone support or charge with a 5v 3.5 amp charger? Is it faster? ZeroLemon

Next week getting a new Note 4 - and zerolemon 10,000mah battery!
I need to deep cycle battery 6-8 times to get phone to display the current vbbatt % correctly. The manufacturer for zerolemon says turn off fast charge and charge 12hrs each time.
That being said, with fast charge off, can I use a 5v 3.5 amp charger I see on amazon and possibly charge the phone faster than 12 hrs like normal is using a 2.1 amp charger?
Anyone tried this with let's say even the stock battery does the battery actually charge faster due to the increased amps or would it be a waste and still charges at the slower 2.1 amps?

I never deep cycled the battery and the longest discharge I got was 1 week with 16 hours on screen time...you just need to make sure you use an updated kernel with the zL fix.

The amperage rating is the max the charger can put out. The Note will draw the same amperage on either charger because they are both 5V.

ackliph said:
The amperage rating is the max the charger can put out. The Note will draw the same amperage on either charger because they are both 5V.
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But will the phone charge faster on 3.5 amps at 5v vs the 1.5 amp or 2.1 amp the stock charger puts out? I am getting ZeroLemon and need to deep cycle the battery a few times and am trying to have it fully charged in less than the standard 12 hrs - was hoping a charger with more amps would cut down on the 12 hrs lol
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WN86VYQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3RPN0HBLXDN8Z

i just used the stock fast charger on my zerolemmon with fast charge on and i never let it go the full 1 hours. Ive had insane battery life with it so i dont think it matters

drtechnology said:
But will the phone charge faster on 3.5 amps at 5v vs the 1.5 amp or 2.1 amp the stock charger puts out? I am getting ZeroLemon and need to deep cycle the battery a few times and am trying to have it fully charged in less than the standard 12 hrs - was hoping a charger with more amps would cut down on the 12 hrs lol
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00WN86VYQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3RPN0HBLXDN8Z
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Your Note 4 will draw a maximum of 1.9A on a 5V standard charger and a maximum of 1.66A on a 9V Quickcharger. If you multiply these values, you will get your "charging speed" in Watts: The maximum is 9.5W on normal charger and 15W on a quick charger.
Using a higher rated normal charger (eg 5V/3A) will NOT INCREASE charging speed. The Note 4 will never draw more than 1.9A on 5V.
Using a lower rated normal charger (eg 5V/1A) WILL DECREASE the charging speed. The Note 4 will notice that it cannot get 1.9A from the charger and drop the current. Bad and/or long cables can also influence the charging speed negatively.
Also noteworthy: Quick charging will only work when screen is off. As soon as you turn your screen on, the charging speed when connected to a quick charger will drop from 15W to an extremely slow 5W. The only fix for this horrible Samsung joke is a custom ROM like CyanogenMod.
You can charge your Zerolemon battery nicely with the original Quickcharger that came with the phone. That will do 15W and is as fast as you can possibly charge.

joeuser said:
Your Note 4 will draw a maximum of 1.9A on a 5V standard charger and a maximum of 1.66A on a 9V Quickcharger. If you multiply these values, you will get your "charging speed" in Watts: The maximum is 9.5W on normal charger and 15W on a quick charger.
Using a higher rated normal charger (eg 5V/3A) will NOT INCREASE charging speed. The Note 4 will never draw more than 1.9A on 5V.
Using a lower rated normal charger (eg 5V/1A) WILL DECREASE the charging speed. The Note 4 will notice that it cannot get 1.9A from the charger and drop the current. Bad and/or long cables can also influence the charging speed negatively.
Also noteworthy: Quick charging will only work when screen is off. As soon as you turn your screen on, the charging speed when connected to a quick charger will drop from 15W to an extremely slow 5W. The only fix for this horrible Samsung joke is a custom ROM like CyanogenMod.
You can charge your Zerolemon battery nicely with the original Quickcharger that came with the phone. That will do 15W and is as fast as you can possibly charge.
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Wow. Good info. Thx. Now a ton with a hack to draw more amps lol. Hmmmm lolol

Battery lasts longer after normal recharging than turbo charging

Hi,
I noticed that when I recharge it with a charger that is only 650ma the battery last much longer than with turbo charger that came with the phone.
Even in standby after recharged it takes one hour to consume only 1% but after turbo recharging it takes about 10 min to drop 1%.
Is there anyone experiencing something like that?

Funny it is.... The case is opposite for me... Although I use Transomart QC 2.0 charger. My battery lasts longer when I charge it with quick charger compared to standard 1 Amp chargers.

That´s so weird.
I am preparing a comparison to figure out what's happening.

It happens the same here. I've a Aukey turbo charger and the battery drains faster

pesimeao said:
It happens the same here. I've a Aukey turbo charger and the battery drains faster
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I also got Aukey and it's the same

There's no way to actually know the charge (in mAh) of a battery without draining the battery. The way that phones estimate the charge is by measuring the voltage of the battery. Quick Charge 2.0 (supported by the Moto X 2014) uses a higher voltage to charge the battery faster. This can make the battery hit max voltage before it is actually fully charged. That is why Quick Charge always advertises how quickly it gets to 80%. To get to full charge (not just when it shows 100%, but when it is actually fully charged) will take about the same time as a standard charger.

Heat and Turbo charge destroys your battery.

if i turbo charge , my phone will suddenly die when it's between 10-20%. W/ regular charging I get sudden death at 6-8%

i use a moto razr 850mah charger and solved the 8% sud power off, took 2 charge cycles from death to 100% leaving it overnight. Now battery works as it should

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As I've been reading around (can't recall specific scientific data), the faster you charge the battery, the less capacity it can hold. So it makes sense that it lasts longer if you charge it slowly. I don't know how much would be the difference tho.

It is normal in my opinion. Slower charging is also healthier for the battery and usually will last longer

Has anyone ever used a wireless charging pad with the phone. I bought a stick-on one from amazon and it charges fine,,,slower but fine. However, I noticed that it tends to get suck at certain levels and if I take off the wireless charger at say 89 percent,,,it takes less than a min to go to 100 percent charged?

Recomendeed is charge with Motorola original charger of this device, i mean 1150mAh dual port charger

Anyone here with experience of using Motorola's Turbopower 15 wall charger? I'm thinking to buy one, because waiting for 1 hr to charge to 100% is quite annoying.

XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?

XZ's battery charge time is 2.5 hour from 25%, is it normal?
I turned on battery care mode.

Battery care is turned on?

Mine also came with a slow charger. When I plug it to my portable battery, it can still be pretty fast (and hot...)

With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.

L3RAT said:
With stock UCH 12 charger it takes my phone about 1,5h to get fully charge. 30min to 60% and 1h for the rest. It seems like Sony disabled any type of QuickCharge above 60% to prevent battery damage and it doesnt matter what type of charger you would use alter that - it will stick to 1000mA all the time.
Two things:
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
Any of those would prolong charging time.
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Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.

jeffreywen said:
Please see my answer are listed below and thanks
1) are you using QuickCharge charger?
Yep.
The charger is UCH12.
2) do you or any of your apps use phone while charging?
No.
I turned off the phone during charging.
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Try to keep it turned on then. I guess Sony could set offline charging to minimal settings and control QuickCharge with software. Try "Ampere" app to check how many ampers are you getting while charging (download from play store, no root required). It should oscillate from 700mA to 2500mA. If not (e.g. stuck at 1000mA) it means your charger could be defective and should be exchange for new one.

man. I got 75% in an hour while the phone was off :/ using the same charger as yours so there must be a problem, try to change the cable

Guys does anyone know if the USB type-C cable which comes with the non-fast charger is 3.0 Quick Charge compatible?? I've ordered a Anker 3.0 Quick Charge charger just wanted to make sure the cable is.

My case is even worse, tales 3 hours to charge from 13% to 97%
I am even using the newest Sony 3A usb c to c quick charger!
What the hell..

XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.

bucho144 said:
XZ support QC 3.0 so it should be able to charge from 0%(theoretically) up to 100% 1h40-1h50 using a QC 3.0.
During my few weeks i've had this phone (recived with UCH20 charger) i tried to test phone's ability to charge quickly and failed it took usually 2-2h20 min with original charger. I've ordered chinese charger (sony's UCH12W is 4 times more expensive, even samsungs and htc chargers are much more cheaper).
During tests (using ampre) i tried to start charging when battery dropped to 10%. I used 2 charges original UCH20,Tronsmart WC1T and 3 USB-C cables 1x original, 1x unknown chinese, 1x tronsmart(original included with a charger).
Conclusion:
UCH20 is slower, Ampere won't show more than 1560mA 10-60/70% then something around 1100mA and 780 or less 90-100%
WC1T is faster, 10-60% 2220mA (or less depends on throttling/temperature) then about 1500mA to 90% and less than 1000mA (usually 500-800mA) 90-100%
Tested with onvo adaptive charging on, stamina off, wifi on, brightness auto (0-40%), there was no difference betwen cables only unknown chinese cable was slightly slower but that is only my opinion. Battery temperature oscylated between 26-37/38°C(Ampere)
This phone will only fast charge up to 60/70% then it slows down a bit and last 10% is slow, it should preserve battery health yet still allow you to charge it quickly when in a hurry so u can use it for another few hours until you'll get back home and plug it for a night.
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Good post, thanks for sharing,
I ve recently brought Anker PowerPort+1 charger QC3.0 compatible and used stock Sony cable and max output I got was 2180mA max using Ampere too.. What my question is now what should the XZ be drawing max? near 3000mA?? Battery care Off.
Ive ordered PortaPow 20AWG cable it states its also QC3.0 compatible so lets see how much it get and if it makes any difference to the charge times.
I will post my results in the next 2 days.

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