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no snapdragon...no netflix for you!!!

(at least for now anyway)
still love my captivate but this could be a major issue for some customers in determining what phone they use.
The article says android users with snapdragon 1ghz or faster processor will be able to stream netflix. No mention of hummingbird...which at least for now will mean no netflix streaming. The galaxy s 2 is using an orion processor so it looks like it will be waiting as well.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...streaming.html

I don't see how they would keep the community from just pulling the APK and installing it to other devices. How would they make the app itself discriminate based on your CPU? Is there an API for that? You can't reasonably write a Windows or Linux binary that will only run on Intel CPUs, for example.

Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself

fraztto said:
Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Exactly what I was thinking.
Snapdragon 1GHZ = Hummingbird 1GHZ
Clockspeed doesn't differ simply based on a name or manufacturer.

fraztto said:
Well i dont think it wont work with processors other than snapdragon, I mean, probably the may be refering to the speed of the processor itself
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Agreed. Qualcomm made this announcement, so obviously they are going to mention *their* processor and not a competitor's. Although it doesn't explicitly outline it in the article, it is clear that Android is getting a Netflix app and if your device is powerful enough to run it then you can use it. Qualcomm is working with Netflix to bring this to Android.
Unless I read otherwise, I'm going to assume that ALL Android devices are getting Netflix and they aren't going to go out of their way to exclude devices that do not have Qualcomm chips.
Bad link. This one should work: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-02-14/netflix-shares-jump-on-news-of-android-streaming.html
I would like to encourage OP to A) post in the right forum (props for catching it, though), B) post links that work, and C) don't write sensationalist titles with no explicit bearing of truth to them.
Sorry OP, but this kind of gets under my skin.

The OP is probably correct. The Snapdragon processor has "media protection features" aka DRM that Netflix is taking advantage of. The Hummingbird part may or may not have similar DRM mechanisms that may or may not be software compatible with the Snapdragon solution.
If the Netflix APK depends on a hardware feature that's not present, then it obviously would not work on all phones. This is going to be very confusing for end users.
The press release refers to the "media protection features".
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/02/14/netflix-on-android-confirmed-for-snapdragon-phones-first/

If that is truly the case, I'm sure one of the genius Devs here will find a way to bypass or emulate the protection scheme.

The article says Snapdragons will get it first, not exclusively.

miztaken1312 said:
If that is truly the case, I'm sure one of the genius Devs here will find a way to bypass or emulate the protection scheme.
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If the DRM can be bypassed or emulated, that means no one will get any Netflix in the end. That's why iOS and even the new WP7 have Netflix already and Android doesn't.

I dont think they can keep it from everybody either. This is the ONLY thing i miss from my iphlone

I assume the Qualcom chips come with DRM built into the processor similar to hardware accelerated graphics. If that's the case it should be possible to write an application that will only work on that processor. This I'd especially true if they don't publicly release the drm spec so it can be replicated in software. Even if they did that the processing visa software would be slower and prone to more problems.
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I havent seen anything that can bypass drm at all

I don't think the processor will actually enable or disable by brand in think it just won't work on slower processors and snapdragon is the houshold name of fast processors
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If the DRM can be bypassed or emulated, that means no one will get any Netflix in the end. That's why iOS and even the new WP7 have Netflix already and Android doesn't.
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I doubt it. We're in the minority - the vast majority of users don't want to modify their phones and probably wouldn't be bothered with trying to find a way to get netflix to work on their hardware incompatible devices. If someone does manage to find a way to emulate the drm hardware, or NOP out the bits in software that deal with it or something to get the software to run, I doubt netflix would really care as long as you're still paying for the content.

I don't see the problem. You have to have a Netflix account to access the streaming content, so all they have to do is prevent the device from being able to record it. They already do that now on my Western Digital Live Hub.

Netflix has to show its content providers that the streamed content will not be compromised. Otherwise, content providers will not allow Netflix to stream the content at all. DRM is a necessary evil to live with in this case.
Netflix already publically said that they will selectively release player for certain Android phones, not all. That means Android phones with hardware DRM protection. They are not happy with the general DRM support in Android OS (or the total lack there of).
It is not about processor speed. If iOS can have it and WP7 can have it, processor speed is not the issue.
If Netflix see any sign of its DRM being compromised, it will simply ban all the Android phones or re-write the player. It is one battle you don't want to engage in. Nothing good come out it.
I believe a few content provider already pull its content out of Netflix streaming due to this concern. If any Netflix players prove to be unsafe, more will do so. Soon we will end up with a Netflix player with nothing to watch.

The write mentions snapdragon because thats all his limited intellect on the subject knows about. Hummingbird or any other 1GHZ PLUS cpu will work.

How does Blockbuster do it?
All I hear is how Netflix needs to have such and such for DMR. What I don't get, how is Blockbuster streaming content with Android devices? Verizon version of the Galaxy S includes Blockbuster.
I am really enjoying my Captivate and Android, but not having Netflix, Zumocast or airVideo has been a big disappointment for me. I wish I did a littel more research as i still can't beleive that Android base devices really don't have a true video streaming apps.

From what I gather, BB is not the same streaming as Netflix. It is basically a on-demand download. You need download to the phone before you watch. The content will auto-expire after certain priod.

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The write mentions snapdragon because thats all his limited intellect on the subject knows about. Hummingbird or any other 1GHZ PLUS cpu will work.
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Technically i don't think your assertion is correct.
I have read multiple articles on this and stating snapdragon processors "First" or "only" at this time is the line in all of them (and further specificy that Android 3.0 adds a pluggable DRM framework to OS). Some speculate that they will continue to work on ways to provide the app to smartphones who have processors that don't have the built in security like the snapdragon while you could just as easily suggest that the way they will do this is via OS updates and assume anyone that netflix matters to will just get a phone with a future android OS that have the drm framework already incorporated. (Before you say 3.0 is for tablets there is plenty of info suggesting that it will reach the smartphone level & if it doesn't future versions of the smartphone os like the rumored ice cream could bring similar security features).
All that aside i wouldn't put anything past the abilities of the talented developers here so even if that official app won't play nice with our hummingbird i wouldn't be surprised by a some kind of unofficial tweak that allows us to still get netflix streaming content.
There is even some speculation that some of the older phones using 1st gen snapdragon's that do not have the secureMSM may not be able to utilize the official app.
However Peters already admitted in his blog post that some Android handsets will never see the Netflix service. "This clearly is not the preferred solution, and we regret the confusion it might create for consumers," he said. "However, we believe that providing the service for some Android device owners is better than denying it to everyone."
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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Snapdragon-Netflix-video-streaming-greg-peters-Qualcomm,news-9893.html

Asus Hasn't Learned Yet... (Windows Tablet)

http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3536302/asus-vivo-tab-rt-review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6387/asus-vivotab-rt-review
This about about the VivoTab (Windows RT), the reviews complain about the random lag in various operations using this device. I think it means I/O issues are still present. This is their 5th tablet (non nexus tablet) and the same exact issue in present in all of them.

What does this have to do with the TF700? I/O can be solved with software updates as proven by cleanrom.
Why don't you expend your energy asking Asus to do just that rather than wasting it on irrelevant posts?

sbdags said:
What does this have to do with the TF700? I/O can be solved with software updates as proven by cleanrom.
Why don't you expend your energy asking Asus to do just that rather than wasting it on irrelevant posts?
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Cut him a little slack -- I'm already happy this doesn't show up in the dev section. As far as the potential underlying issues are concerned, I'd find it hilarious if it turned out they just re-used some old leftover cr** to build a new tablet with. I'm running CleanROM as well, and it sure makes a incredible difference. It does NOT alleviate the underlying cause of the problem, though, and software can never rectify sh**ty hardware choices -- the TF700 would have been even better with CleanROM AND nice storage controllers.
<dreaming away, imagining what that would be like>

Now you are dragging me into it
But I'm more and more convinced that whilst the hardware might not be up to scratch it is the lack of Asus's software engineering skills that is really showing through.
Obviously Samsung and HTC are much better at getting more from their devices.
However I still don't think this thread should be in TF700 general. It has nothing to do with the Infinity. I'm getting tired of the band wagon *****ing when actually it is still a fact that the Infinity is the best android tablet created so far. The I/O issues can generally be rectified by rooting or unlocking and aren't as prevalent as some people make out especially since the upgrade to JB.
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Edit: I've just looked at yumms' created thread history. He doesn't seem to post much positive stuff and has started similar threads about the prime as well. I'm not sure he even has an infinity. Some of his threads are like hit and run jobs.
So my original comment stands.

I don't know, I'm bettting a lot of TF700 users have been wondering about this ie whether the hardware problems, specifically slow memory would carry over to RT. I know it was one of the first things I thought when I heard ASUS was releasing a Windows RT tablet. So I actually appreciate the post.
It does relate to the TF700, as our experience with ASUS hardware is exactly what makes us curious about how ASUS handles other ARM based tablets. I can't see why additional information is a problem especially considering how slow this board has been lately.

Until other RT tablets come about with reviews we don't know if this is something to expect and work around or really Asus' issue.

Looks like the Asus RT tabs are Tegra3\ARM based so chances are low grade HW is inside.
Been looking at RT8 tablets myself.
Pretty sure I wouldn't go Asus in the low end Win-tab market.
If Android has a hard time with crappy IO Windows in any form would just suck the life out of any device using inadequate hardware.
Am I wrong here?

Windoes 8 RT is basically metro only. Not very resource intensive overall from what I understand.
Still I want to see more reviews and they definitely need some apps for me to even consider jumping in. Getting office free is alright, but doesn't sell me.

cmdrdredd said:
Windoes 8 RT is basically metro only. Not very resource intensive overall from what I understand.
Still I want to see more reviews and they definitely need some apps for me to even consider jumping in. Getting office free is alright, but doesn't sell me.
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I agree.
Not sure how the app thing will go for RT.
If the apps are viable or worthwhile then less could be better.
You know how iTons and Google Play are.
They may have a million apps, yet few are actually usable.
As we all know it's so easy to fill the dumpster with crapplications.
I guess we'll see as the reviews and actual UE start popping.

What they have in their favor is apps written for Metro will work on Windows 8 Pro tablets, Laptops, & Desktops running Windows 8. They just run in metro. So you can have some pretty wide audiences for some apps. Maybe even future support in the Next Xbox who knows. The one thing against them is anyone running an RT tablet cannot run anything written with x86 in mind. SO you won't be able to plug your external CD drive or HDD in and install a bunch of utilities and such.

cmdrdredd said:
What they have in their favor is apps written for Metro will work on Windows 8 Pro tablets, Laptops, & Desktops running Windows 8. They just run in metro. So you can have some pretty wide audiences for some apps. Maybe even future support in the Next Xbox who knows. The one thing against them is anyone running an RT tablet cannot run anything written with x86 in mind. SO you won't be able to plug your external CD drive or HDD in and install a bunch of utilities and such.
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I dont know who told you can't run x86... when in-fact you can run DosBox for ARM on Windows 8 RT and therefore install emulated windows 95... yeah no glory there but technically you can run all sorts of oldschool win apps.
just saying...
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What they have in their favor is apps written for Metro will work on Windows 8 Pro tablets, Laptops, & Desktops running Windows 8. They just run in metro. So you can have some pretty wide audiences for some apps. Maybe even future support in the Next Xbox who knows. The one thing against them is anyone running an RT tablet cannot run anything written with x86 in mind. SO you won't be able to plug your external CD drive or HDD in and install a bunch of utilities and such.
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I dont know who told you can't run x86... when in-fact you can run DosBox for ARM on Windows 8 RT and therefore install emulated windows 95... yeah no glory there but technically you can run all sorts of oldschool win apps.
Also, who told you you wont be able to plug other hardware in? In fact you will see it has much more support out of the box, way beyond Android and iOS.. so yeah, not sure where you got your facts.
just saying...

seven2099 said:
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I dont know who told you can't run x86... when in-fact you can run DosBox for ARM on Windows 8 RT and therefore install emulated windows 95... yeah no glory there but technically you can run all sorts of oldschool win apps.
just saying...
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I dont know who told you can't run x86... when in-fact you can run DosBox for ARM on Windows 8 RT and therefore install emulated windows 95... yeah no glory there but technically you can run all sorts of oldschool win apps.
Also, who told you you wont be able to plug other hardware in? In fact you will see it has much more support out of the box, way beyond Android and iOS.. so yeah, not sure where you got your facts.
just saying...
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That is 100% not a viable alternative to Windows 8 Pro. Not by a long shot...legacy applications won't do crap. Everything useful available today runs on XP and onward.
I'm saying you won't plug in your HDD and load all your desktop utilities to Windows RT. It won't happen, can't happen since RT cannot run native x86 code like the Pro version will.
Nice try but...no

cmdrdredd is correct, Windows RT only runs on ARM-powered devices, while Windows 8 home pre, pro, etc. only runs on x86 devices.
For references http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_RT it stated "It will officially only run software available through the Windows Store or included in Windows RT."
Cheers

sbdags said:
I'm more and more convinced that whilst the hardware might not be up to scratch it is the lack of Asus's software engineering skills that is really showing through.
The I/O issues can generally be rectified by rooting or unlocking and aren't as prevalent as some people make out especially since the upgrade to JB.
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This is unfortunately wrong! The teardown of the devices TF201/700 shows the mmc (internal storage) is a Kingston chip, you'll find this if you search the Prime forums, this chip has limitations in it's random write speed. While some tweaks, disabling journaling as one, can help with this. It's not an optimal way to run the file system. Reboots will cause data losses etc.
That fact is that the internal storage is poor, no software fix will remedy this, ever. It might help but, not by very much. I would want nothing more than a fix for this (I own both the TF201 and the TF700) but it will never happen.

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The teardown of the devices TF201/700 shows the mmc (internal storage) is a Kingston chip
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My tablet's kernel log says it's a Hynix chip.
But otherwise you are correct - there is no way to make the hardware faster, all software "fixes" are workarounds and trade-offs.

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Also, who told you you wont be able to plug other hardware in? In fact you will see it has much more support out of the box, way beyond Android and iOS.. so yeah, not sure where you got your facts.
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The reference I gave regarding the WebWereld article explicitly states that third-party driver support will be limited, or none, as you cannot install ANY driver as an end-user. You seem to come up with an opinion of your own without any substantiation whatsoever: where do you gather it will have much better support OOTB? As it stands, that's just either your imagination / wishful thinking / gut feeling / hope, but nothing that can be corroborated at this moment in time.
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My tablet's kernel log says it's a Hynix chip.
But otherwise you are correct - there is no way to make the hardware faster, all software "fixes" are workarounds and trade-offs.
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You are correct -- it, unfortunately, is a Hynix storage controller. And I fully agree with both you and the poster you replied to (forgot the name, kids needed attention in the mean time ).
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The Office 2013 license provided is a VERY limited one -- if you are a decitaed. "hardcore" user, you'll have to upgrade the license anyway (this is mandatory if the installed Office package is to be used for commercial applications -- this means that, technically speaking, you are not allowed to use the installed Office for work-related purposes and either you or your employer will need to fork over more cash to Microsoft to obtain a higher-grade license. Reference: Webwereld article in the "First Post" thread by Osteele).

MartyHulskemper said:
it, unfortunately, is a Hynix storage controller
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Nothing bad about Hynix per se - they also make extremely fast GDDR5 RAM, but the eMMC in our tablets seems to have been selected for low price and not for adequate performance. Shame on Asus.

@ _that
This is what I was thinking.
Never had any trouble with Hynix RAM.
As a matter of fact it's in my desktop.
So yes the Hynix name is ok.

MartyHulskemper said:
Cut him a little slack -- I'm already happy this doesn't show up in the dev section. As far as the potential underlying issues are concerned, I'd find it hilarious if it turned out they just re-used some old leftover cr** to build a new tablet with. I'm running CleanROM as well, and it sure makes a incredible difference. It does NOT alleviate the underlying cause of the problem, though, and software can never rectify sh**ty hardware choices -- the TF700 would have been even better with CleanROM AND nice storage controllers.
<dreaming away, imagining what that would be like>
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+1. I think it is perfectly reasonable to call ASUS out on this and is of interest to TF700 owners, especially since this data point, coming via an entirely different OS, shows that it is more likely the base hardware design that is at fault and will always limit this generation of products.
As noted above, some custom ROM with hacks to work around a real physical hardware issue does not constitute a genuine fix, it only show what level of mitigation for the underlying root cause can be reasonably expected via software. Those hacks will come with some trade off of their own, by nature.

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So yes the Hynix name is ok.
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"Most of these eMMC and other cheap MLC NAND flash controllers are really glorified SD cards, primarily optimized for reading and writing large images as if they were used in a camera. What they're not designed for is to run and be used in a full blown multitasking OS. Some manufacturers seem to do a better job of picking their storage solution, and the Kingston eMMC in the Nexus 7 is faster than the Hynix e-NAND ASUS has used in previous tablets. Neither is perfect however. There's a tangible impact on simple multitasking if you're downloading a lot of files or installing apps in the background".​
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/6

Has there been any ouya vs sheild talk?

I think the hard part is getting non PC people to have a PC, with a 650 or better nvidia GPU. And then you have PC people that just need an upgraded GPU. And is nvidia gonna do first party break the ice with a bunch of mini game or small and quick MMO or plan on setting up a special something for shield owners? And then you have people who don't really want the portability all that much and will likely buy the poor man's gaming console, the ouya, which should refressh it's hardware every year or two. And isn't nvudia inside the ouya to start off with? Nvidia could get something jumpstarted where the ouya would work in this equation somehow or be a host server for man, or all out line if the right components are there and up to the task.
my gnote2 is bigger than your puny iPhone.

I'm still not too sure about either, to be honest. My Asus Infinity with a Tegra 3, and a PS3 controller with the Sixaxis app, currently handles all of my Android gaming. The Tegra 4 will be in Android tablets soon, though I think the first tablet getting the Tegra 4 will be running Windows 8. I'm just not too sure, YET, if Project Glass will be worth the extra money...
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The ouya has a tegra 3 at 1.3ghz. The Shield has a 1.9ghz tegra 4. Significantly more power.
The shield running stock android means it doesnt need to stream from a desktop PC. With the OUYA also being android based I reckon it would be a fairly easy port to get an OUYA game running on the shield, either with a port of the game code to the shield or possibly a modded OUYA SDK. Dependant on how much source code is available for the Shield roms and OUYA roms it might be possible to run an ouya rom on the shield.
Windows 8 wont run on a tegra 4. Namely because windows 8 is x86 only and tegra 4 is ARM.
Windows RT might but there have been no new windows RT devices announced so none with a tegra 4.
Only tegra 4 devices I know of right now are the shield, the HP splitbook x2 and the NVidia demo phone and demo tablets sold to manufacturers to sample what the tegra 4 and 4i can do.

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The ouya has a tegra 3 at 1.3ghz. The Shield has a 1.9ghz tegra 4. Significantly more power.
The shield running stock android means it doesnt need to stream from a desktop PC. With the OUYA also being android based I reckon it would be a fairly easy port to get an OUYA game running on the shield, either with a port of the game code to the shield or possibly a modded OUYA SDK. Dependant on how much source code is available for the Shield roms and OUYA roms it might be possible to run an ouya rom on the shield.
Windows 8 wont run on a tegra 4. Namely because windows 8 is x86 only and tegra 4 is ARM.
Windows RT might but there have been no new windows RT devices announced so none with a tegra 4.
Only tegra 4 devices I know of right now are the shield, the HP splitbook x2 and the NVidia demo phone and demo tablets sold to manufacturers to sample what the tegra 4 and 4i can do.
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The OUYA actually has a 1.9GHZ tegra 3 T33 processor (supposedly better than the T30L which is what youll find in devices like the Nexus 7, HTC one and Asus pads) The OUYA development tool (referred to by the developers as the ODK) is easily obtainable from their website. When you download it and install it (it's an apk) it boots you into the OUYA interface, acting like a launcher controlling it with my nexus 7's touch screen was clumsy and un productive and I didnt have access to the app store but I believe it would be quite easy to gain access. I also installed the play station mobile app on my nexus 7 but since it is not an officially licenced device with access to it it locked me out. This was fixed by flashing a package from custom recovery. No doubt the same applies to the ouya market.
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Tetra 3 uses a cortex A9. Tetra 4 uses A15 which is about 50% faster at the same clock speed. So even with the ouya being 1.9ghz it still has less CPU power than the shield. Has a weaker GPU too.
Only points the ouya wins on are cost and dedicated developer support. There are probably more people hoping to make ouya specific apps than there are shield specific apps, a relatively minor point seeming as those apps should play nicely on either device anyway.
Ultimately you could still hook a shield up to a tv and pair a Bluetooth gamepad with it (maybe even an ouya one when they get around to selling them on their own) if you want a living room console, then unplug cable and go if you need a portable device. It just comes at a cost.

Wasn't contradicting your statement was merely correcting some misleading information.
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There is a lot of hope from both camps (Ouya and NVIDIA) that these "controller-based" products will really push for developers to support landscape-only devices and dedicated controller support. While Shield has the advantage of a touch screen available, both devices are really driving toward controller-only development.

I could see myself getting one of these. Not at launch but after a couple critical mass games and the one that gets more quality support for console like gaming. The ouya is potentially a GameCube successor and the shield has a lot of potential but are people really going to put their smart phones and tablets down for a dedicated but still portable console.
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I could see myself getting one of these. Not at launch but after a couple critical mass games and the one that gets more quality support for console like gaming. The ouya is potentially a GameCube successor and the shield has a lot of potential but are people really going to put their smart phones and tablets down for a dedicated but still portable console.
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While I was previously interested in the OUYA for some hard core android gaming on a tv, I've kind of lost interest due to the fact that its model was meant to attract developers looking to make a name for themselves meaning small scale AA games. While there's nothing wrong with producing opportunity for new developers, it does mean that a good portion of the content will not be worth your time atleast in its early stages. The Nvidia Shield not only has the power to handle anythjng the market can pushout for atleast the next two years, the OUYA is packing hardware which is already outdated.
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While I was previously interested in the OUYA for some hard core android gaming on a tv, I've kind of lost interest due to the fact that its model was meant to attract developers looking to make a name for themselves meaning small scale AA games. While there's nothing wrong with producing opportunity for new developers, it does mean that a good portion of the content will not be worth your time atleast in its early stages. The Nvidia Shield not only has the power to handle anythjng the market can pushout for atleast the next two years, the OUYA is packing hardware which is already outdated.
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The ouya is supposedly getting new hardware every year. How they plan on doing that I don't know. It would be very nerdy and cool to unplug and drop a new SOC instead of buying the while console each time. And ouya seems to be off to a shaky start already with the controller and lag issues.
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The ouya is supposedly getting new hardware every year. How they plan on doing that I don't know. It would be very nerdy and cool to unplug and drop a new SOC instead of buying the while console each time. And ouya seems to be off to a shaky start already with the controller and lag issues.
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What I think they meant by that is that a new ouya with updated hardware will be released every year.
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Thanks to the easily exchangeable hardware of the ouya, I believe that we will see upgrade possibilities.
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Jsusgarcia179 said:
What I think they meant by that is that a new ouya with updated hardware will be released every year.
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I think that is the way it will be, but if they designed it the right way it would be cool to just drop a new soc in and only have to buy a new ouya every 3 years or so. Upgrading just the hardware inside for $50 or so would be really cool on the wallet also.
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Thanks to the easily exchangeable hardware of the ouya, I believe that we will see upgrade possibilities.
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what are you on about?
The ouya only breaks down into 4 components. Case, lid, motherboard and fan. Nothing is removable from the motherboard and its hardly worth keeping the case between upgrades (besides, case has negligible financial impact). Only way you can upgrade the ouya is swap the entire motherboard in one go, or basically just buying a new ouya.
Swappable SoC's won't work as ARM chips don't maintain a standard pin out. To swap from a tegra 3 to a tegra 4 even requires a new motherboard. Workaround is to use a computer-on-module but that would not be effective for the ouya. Drivers for different SoCs are all different too. There is no feasible way to switch between SoCs in the ouya.
Just expect new hardware revisions every year or 2 instead.
Until then. Ouya VS shield. Ouya only really wins out for cost and size, and its not as if the shield is big. Ouya apps can probably eventually be coerced into running on the shield and ouya controllers would also work with the shield. Shield is more powerful, more portable. Only thing the ouya has and shield doesn't is the touchpad on the controller (exposes itself as a Bluetooth mouse so there is one workaround, or pair an ouya controller with the shield, or emulate it on the shield touch screen).

I believe the upgrade path for an Ouya would be to keep your old controllers, and just get the base unit.
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I love the idea of Ouya, but with the Xbox One and PS4 coming out in the fall I don't see a need for it.
The shield wins for me because I love the idea that I can play my PC games anywhere in the house or even the backyard. I love the idea of being able to use it like any other Android device. I love the portability and the power that the shield offers and I love that I can actually plug the shield into any TV im play those games right to it. If I wasn't such a big Xbox gamer and just wanted something cheap to play then I would consider the Ouya, but that's not the case and I have been looking for something that's portable with counsel quality gaming for a while now and the PC streaming is just a huge bonus for me.
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The shield does seem to have a more serious gamer allure but at a higher cost. The ouya would get the all around enthusiast gamer and would be much better suited for family or friend fun. Though I don't see why the shield couldn't support multiplayer from one shield output to a TV. I am not a serious gamer anymore but the Xbox one probably won't ever be in my living room if they really do undermine the second hand market like that. Probably the same for the ps4 if they decide to go ahead and do it. Still very interested in getting a ps4 in a couple of years when ps3 starts to show it's age in blue ray movies. The ouya might pique my interest in the meantime if they have some meaningful games.
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I'm still not too sure about either, to be honest. My Asus Infinity with a Tegra 3, and a PS3 controller with the Sixaxis app, currently handles all of my Android gaming. The Tegra 4 will be in Android tablets soon, though I think the first tablet getting the Tegra 4 will be running Windows 8. I'm just not too sure, YET, if Project Glass will be worth the extra money...
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More like tablet (singular)

Android TV box or Raspberry Pi?

Hi,
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum to ask this. But since the members visiting this sub-forum might have better idea of android tv box/stick i am putting forward my query here.
My requirements are 24/7 torrenting and playing movies in Sony FHD TV.. I don't care much about playing games or browsing in TV..
is there any android stick/box (preferably around $80) which can play high bitrate full hd movies without any hiccups while simultaneously downloading torrents? or am i better off with a raspberry pi??

vic6888 said:
Hi,
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum to ask this. But since the members visiting this sub-forum might have better idea of android tv box/stick i am putting forward my query here.
My requirements are 24/7 torrenting and playing movies in Sony FHD TV.. I don't care much about playing games or browsing in TV..
is there any android stick/box (preferably around $80) which can play high bitrate full hd movies without any hiccups while simultaneously downloading torrents? or am i better off with a raspberry pi??
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I have a Ugoos UT1 and I'm happy with that, I also picked up the stick version that is the UM2. I spent quite a bit of time checking out the Pi's and I found their raw power to be way too little for things like 3D gaming or 1080p playback. Good little devices, but I prefer the Quad Core units such as the ones I mentioned above. A new box is coming out called the Ugoos UT2 which is also looking good.
For installing custom firmwares, tweeking and maybe configuring the device via scripts and so on, then maybe the Pi will have more of a larger community with more projects. But for the items you've highlighted the Pi wouldn't be very suitable. Please correct me if I'm wrong Pi owners,

BlobLobba said:
I have a Ugoos UT1 and I'm happy with that, I also picked up the stick version that is the UM2. I spent quite a bit of time checking out the Pi's and I found their raw power to be way too little for things like 3D gaming or 1080p playback. Good little devices, but I prefer the Quad Core units such as the ones I mentioned above. A new box is coming out called the Ugoos UT2 which is also looking good.
For installing custom firmwares, tweeking and maybe configuring the device via scripts and so on, then maybe the Pi will have more of a larger community with more projects. But for the items you've highlighted the Pi wouldn't be very suitable. Please correct me if I'm wrong Pi owners,
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from what i have read Pi is pretty good as a media playback device but i'm not sure whether it can handle torrenting and media playback simultaneously.. one of my room mate has got a Pi.. will have to test it this weekend and see if it holds up well for my requirement..

vic6888 said:
from what i have read Pi is pretty good as a media playback device but i'm not sure whether it can handle torrenting and media playback simultaneously.. one of my room mate has got a Pi.. will have to test it this weekend and see if it holds up well for my requirement..
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One option could be to get two low price sticks, use one for torrent and one for media playback. Using media sharing to access the files between them. In that configuration I would suggest a UM2 and a Pi

BlobLobba said:
One option could be to get two low price sticks, use one for torrent and one for media playback. Using media sharing to access the files between them. In that configuration I would suggest a UM2 and a Pi
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that is also an option.. hearing rumors that Android 4.4 will bring a new UI for TV. Are these sticks upgradeable??

vic6888 said:
that is also an option.. hearing rumors that Android 4.4 will bring a new UI for TV. Are these sticks upgradeable??
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Well I think regarding 4.4 upgradability, I imagine the first possibility of that maybe via custom ROM. I checked out the stock firmware updates for the Ugoos regularly, as I have the UT1 and UM2. Let's wait and see what they release.

BlobLobba said:
Well I think regarding 4.4 upgradability, I imagine the first possibility of that maybe via custom ROM. I checked out the stock firmware updates for the Ugoos regularly, as I have the UT1 and UM2. Let's wait and see what they release.
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I have an android stick (MK908, quad-core 2GB RAM) and a Raspberry Pi. In terms of movie playback, the RPi is far superior due to better software support. The XBMC software is much more mature on the RPi.
I have no experience on the RPi with torrents, but I leave that to my NAS. An android stick's hardware is more powerful, so I guess it'll be better for torrenting. That being said, I use Openelec for my RPi and it comes with a transmission add-on for torrenting, so I assume it'll work ok.
Anyway, if movies are the main focus, definately go for an RPi and find another solution for torrenting if the RPi is not sufficient.
my setup:
A NAS for media storage and downloading
RPi with Openelec for media

I had a Pi, to be honest it was bloody hard work. My MK808 is MUCH better at everthing. It plays 720p perfectly (I don't bother with 1080p) it downloads torrents running Ttorrent and I can plug my 1Tb hard drive (passport) directly into it without a hub!
The Pi was a pain compared to the MK808, the 908 should be even better.
Pete
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I believe the 808 received much better support than the 908 does.
I think (custom) developer support is essential for setting up a working system.

I'm running it stock, works fine. I was blown away by how well it plays my film collection. Avi, mkv, mp4 or whatever, it just works!
Pete
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BlobLobba said:
I checked out the stock firmware updates for the Ugoos regularly, as I have the UT1 and UM2. Let's wait and see what they release.
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What websites do u check for firmware updates UT1 and UM2 and what Air mouse Keyboard work best for UT1 and UM2 you know any?

el_easy said:
What websites do u check for firmware updates UT1 and UM2 and what Air mouse Keyboard work best for UT1 and UM2 you know any?
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Yeah, I'd be interested in this too. I have a Kaiboer F4 (same box different name).
All I could find was this chinese site with update 1.1.0 - which I already have. It's dated August 20th 2013.
http://www.evolvetechsolutions.com/collections/kaiboer/products/kaiboer-f4.htm

mad_sunday said:
I had a Pi, to be honest it was bloody hard work. My MK808 is MUCH better at everthing. It plays 720p perfectly (I don't bother with 1080p) it downloads torrents running Ttorrent and I can plug my 1Tb hard drive (passport) directly into it without a hub!
The Pi was a pain compared to the MK808, the 908 should be even better.
Pete
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Erm...what? Just flash OpenELEC on a SD and be done with it basically. H.264 videos play perfect out of the box for me even 1080p isn't any problem at all. The Pi is much better at playing videos (exception of DivX but who uses that anymore) than any Stick could be in my opinion.

Kevi754 said:
Erm...what? Just flash OpenELEC on a SD and be done with it basically. H.264 videos play perfect out of the box for me even 1080p isn't any problem at all. The Pi is much better at playing videos (exception of DivX but who uses that anymore) than any Stick could be in my opinion.
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Have you tried playing movies which are more than 8GB? how does Pi performs for those movies? And can i run transmission or any other torrenting software if i use OpenELEC ??

Kevi754 said:
Erm...what? Just flash OpenELEC on a SD and be done with it basically. H.264 videos play perfect out of the box for me even 1080p isn't any problem at all. The Pi is much better at playing videos (exception of DivX but who uses that anymore) than any Stick could be in my opinion.
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It was just so unreliable due I suspect to the ****ty USB implementation. I tried OpenElec (and several others) but I could never get it to work as I wanted it (and I've been running Linux on my PC's for 10 years). I threw it in the bin once I'd got the Android stick plugged in. The MK808 is faster, more reliable, easier to setsetup, and works perfectly with my USB 1TB hard drive without a hub (try that with a Pi). I find the video playback far superior too using MX player without having to cough money for codecs that you need for the Pi.
Pete
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You should probably use the pi as a 244/7 torrent box and the android mini pc as a game/ video player. Its way easier to use the pi as a cheap, power efficient torrent while not wasting processing power from the android on something like that. Thats what I do and it works great!

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What websites do u check for firmware updates UT1 and UM2 and what Air mouse Keyboard work best for UT1 and UM2 you know any?
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I check this Ugoos Firmware download archive they maintain on this page here.

minix x5 with new 1080 rom works great for me, have not had a ras pi

I used to use my CX919 for what you mention, until it died.
Played everything fine, Did not try 1080P content.
Great features, horrible build quality.

These quadcore tv sticks seam to die because of poor thermal design. I have bought a T-R42 (like CS918/K-R42 but with bluetooth) and I'm going to run an Ubuntu on this box.
I don't mind the RPi and actually I have one and I like it but keep in mind that you get only 512MB of memory and a 700MHz single core while you get 2GB of memory and a 1.6GHz quad core on these rk3188 tv boxes/sticks.
Also keep in mind that you might need a case, a power adapter and a wifi-stick for the pi which might cost you at least additional 25$ while this was all included in the T-R42 box I got and which sells now at 80$ including shipping from some chinese sellers (I payed 90€ and got it from a local seller).
One big advantage of the RPi is that there have been millions of them sold and there exists a vast community.
cheers
CRizziR

[Q] As a laptop owner, am i screwed? Or are there workarounds?

First of all, let me list my Laptop specs
CPU: 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM (2.40GHz 6MB Cache)
GPU:NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX660M 2GB with DirectX® 11
RAM: 8GB
I heard that the Nvidia shield officially doesn't support Laptop streaming, but has a good and reliable method for supporting streaming been released yet via third party app or something? If so, are there any good guides in order to do so(without screwing up any in the process?) I think i did hear that some laptops with some GPU(that i've never really heard of: Kepler I believe) can support it, but i'm not sure if my Laptop would fill the bill. I think I also heard something about optimus, but i don't even know what that is.

John6670 said:
First of all, let me list my Laptop specs
CPU: 3rd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3630QM (2.40GHz 6MB Cache)
GPU:NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX660M 2GB with DirectX® 11
RAM: 8GB
I heard that the Nvidia shield officially doesn't support Laptop streaming, but has a good and reliable method for supporting streaming been released yet via third party app or something? If so, are there any good guides in order to do so(without screwing up any in the process?) I think i did hear that some laptops with some GPU(that i've never really heard of: Kepler I believe) can support it, but i'm not sure if my Laptop would fill the bill. I think I also heard something about optimus, but i don't even know what that is.
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Yea, Nvidia shield game streaing feature is NOT FORMALLY supported by Nvidia at the moment but it may come in near future. however, with the newer mobile GPUS ( keplet architecture based- such as series 600/700 etc) - u can probably try some other third party apps - ' splashtop + Droidmote combination ' - follow this link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2506438 .
some i heard tried kainy instead
Am in a similar situation like you with a mobile GPU GTX 680M but i am waiting for my shield to arrive, so can't confirm whether the methods mentioned above are good for smooth gameplay.

I'm not positive this will all still work for you, but cgutman worked on making streaming work from mobile kepler.
Check it out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394478
Specifically this post might be useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47843410&postcount=91

Aaronneyer said:
I'm not positive this will all still work for you, but cgutman worked on making streaming work from mobile kepler.
Check it out: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394478
Specifically this post might be useful: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47843410&postcount=91
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Okay guys, my Shield wont be coming until tomorrow. That said, I checked the above link, and it looks like someone got it working?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2394478&page=2
OMG!!!! It works. Credit to @cgutman!!!!!
Used the registry entry you provided. I am using a Lenovo Y400, that has the intel GPU disabled. It freaking works!!
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I have a Lenovo Y580 which isnt that much different from a 400. So maybe there is hope? Once I get it, i'll test it out, and maybe ask questions to things i dont understand

mobile streaming has been completely halted by nvidia in their latest updates. The only workaround that doesn't involve a 3rd party app (negating the native protocol support between tegra 4 and kepler) is to downgrade and then apply the reg fix. This also only works if you have a sole discrete gpu or can completely shut off optimus in the bios. poopoo to you nvidia.