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If so why?
I have the following questions:
#1 Can you still receive Android system updates such as Gingerbread right away once they're received?
#2 Before rooting, should I backup my phone just so I can restore it before returning to Verizon in case it's damaged physically?
#3 Is it worth rooting?
#4 What are ALL the DISadvantages of Rooting?
Thank you,
Please reply quickly.
NEW questions that I have:
Can someone explain to me in detail these terms and how they're used with rooting:
Themes: I know what they are, but can you use themes with other Roms?
Roms: I sort of know what they are, but can you still get OTA updates, use themes with them, icon packs, etc?
Cynamod [not sure how it's spelled] what is it??
SuperClickRoot [Not sure what it's called, but what is it??]
Z4root [What's the difference between this and Superclickroot]?
What's better SuperClickRoot or Z4root? My android OS is 2.2.1. After rooting, can I still get OTA updates?
I plan on rooting TODAY, so my last question would be: if I end up bricking or somehow mess up and make my phone not open at all, and it was rooted the last time it was working, can Verizon know that I'm rooted if I try and return it for warranty [replacement etc]?
I'm going to be rooting to have the ability to use Roms, some apps that require rooting and some themes.
unbreakab1e said:
If so why?
I have the following questions:
#1 Can you still receive Android system updates such as Gingerbread right away once they're received?
#2 Before rooting, should I backup my phone just so I can restore it before returning to Verizon in case it's damaged physically?
#3 Is it worth rooting?
#4 What are ALL the DISadvantages of Rooting?
Thank you,
Please reply quickly.
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1) You won't get it from Verizon, but when gingerbread does get released all the devs will make a ROM and you'll have it in no time but only if you use a custom rom.
2) There is a way to unroot back to stock but there is nothing wrong with making a backup.
3) I like my root access. More options to get more out of your phone (over clocking, themes, custom ROMs, kernels, etc)
4) Your warrenty is void (unless you can unroot it and take it back to stock. They will never know) and you can mess up your phone if you don't read and double check instructions before doing anything
Hope I helped
unbreakab1e said:
If so why?
I have the following questions:
#1 Can you still receive Android system updates such as Gingerbread right away once they're received?
#2 Before rooting, should I backup my phone just so I can restore it before returning to Verizon in case it's damaged physically?
#3 Is it worth rooting?
#4 What are ALL the DISadvantages of Rooting?
Thank you,
Please reply quickly.
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1. Ability to install custom ROMs lets you have Gingerbread before Moto and VZW send it out OTA.
2. Probably a good idea; however I didn't on my Incredible, as there are a lot of ways to return to stock without doing that for the Inc. and I assume for the X too.
3. YES. Wifi tether without paying VZW $20 a month, custom ROMs, etc...
4. Technically, it voids your warranty. But, like you said, return it to stock and s-off and they'll never be able to tell
Also, there's a small chance to brick your phone; if you follow all instructions exactly, that's not an issue. And remember: ALWAYS back up your ROM before flashing a new one, be it through ROM Manager or through nandroid. And, if a kernel flash goes wrong and you get stuck at the 1st startup screen, relfash your ROM through ClockworkMod Recovery. From the .zip, not the backup. Titanium backup is good for apps backup, and MyBackup is dead simple for contacts/bookmarks/etc.
Hope this helps, and enjoy your Droid X!
Rooting is nothing, its what you do with it. If you are not interested in overclocking or a custom rom then dont do it, otherwise you must do it.
IF i had a droidX i would be soooo happy
NEW questions that I have:
Can someone explain to me in detail these terms and how they're used with rooting:
Themes: I know what they are, but can you use themes with other Roms?
Roms: I sort of know what they are, but can you still get OTA updates, use themes with them, icon packs, etc?
Cynamod [not sure how it's spelled] what is it??
SuperClickRoot [Not sure what it's called, but what is it??]
Z4root [What's the difference between this and Superclickroot]?
What's better SuperClickRoot or Z4root? My android OS is 2.2.1. After rooting, can I still get OTA updates?
I plan on rooting TODAY, so my last question would be: if I end up bricking or somehow mess up and make my phone not open at all, and it was rooted the last time it was working, can Verizon know that I'm rooted if I try and return it for warranty [replacement etc]?
I'm going to be rooting to have the ability to use Roms, some apps that require rooting and some themes.
unbreakab1e said:
NEW questions that I have:
Can someone explain to me in detail these terms and how they're used with rooting:
Themes: I know what they are, but can you use themes with other Roms?
Roms: I sort of know what they are, but can you still get OTA updates, use themes with them, icon packs, etc?
Cynamod [not sure how it's spelled] what is it??
SuperClickRoot [Not sure what it's called, but what is it??]
Z4root [What's the difference between this and Superclickroot]?
What's better SuperClickRoot or Z4root? My android OS is 2.2.1. After rooting, can I still get OTA updates?
I plan on rooting TODAY, so my last question would be: if I end up bricking or somehow mess up and make my phone not open at all, and it was rooted the last time it was working, can Verizon know that I'm rooted if I try and return it for warranty [replacement etc]?
I'm going to be rooting to have the ability to use Roms, some apps that require rooting and some themes.
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Themes: The theme thread should say what ROMs it works with. If the one you're using isn't on that list and you're feeling adventurous, make a nandroid backup through your recovery and try flashing it! Themes don't work on the stock ROM, however.
SuperOneClickRoot I think it is, and Z4 both root your phone, but SuperOneClick runs from your PC, and Z4 from the phone (I think, HTC's have unrevoked)
Either *should* be fine.
OTA updates: When I rooted my Incredible, I was concerned about this too. Then I installed a custom ROM... don't worry about OTA.
Oh, and CyanogenMod. It's a ROM based on the official Google code's open source with a LOT of extra settings. Haven't used it myself, but I've heard great things about it.
Just got a Sensation this last Sat, my first Android phone, and am interested in rooting it. Never done this on any phone and am a little confused as many guides are for people who want to flash roms. For now, I would just like to root in order to get rid of some preinstalled apps. Is there a guide that has the minimal steps needed to just root? Also, does rooting do anything to my settings or apps that are there now?
MANTI5 said:
Just got a Sensation this last Sat, my first Android phone, and am interested in rooting it. Never done this on any phone and am a little confused as many guides are for people who want to flash roms. For now, I would just like to root in order to get rid of some preinstalled apps. Is there a guide that has the minimal steps needed to just root? Also, does rooting do anything to my settings or apps that are there now?
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Follow steps one to three on the first post of this.. and that is it
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
Bump for answers.
MANTI5 said:
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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Hello and welcome to the forums.
To property receive OTA updates you need a stock recovery - that's a must! We cannot predict what HTC is going to update next so if you delete a package that is going to be updated - yeah, this may cause troubles. So deleting kinda anything as root may cause a OTA update to fail. I suggest that you buy a application that does a backup when uninstalling a package. I'm using Root Uninstaller Pro to "freeze" some apps just in case HTC releases a OTA that needs one of those disabled apps.
In case you have any other questions feel free to ask.
Jackos said:
Hello and welcome to the forums.
To property receive OTA updates you need a stock recovery - that's a must! We cannot predict what HTC is going to update next so if you delete a package that is going to be updated - yeah, this may cause troubles. So deleting kinda anything as root may cause a OTA update to fail. I suggest that you buy a application that does a backup when uninstalling a package. I'm using Root Uninstaller Pro to "freeze" some apps just in case HTC releases a OTA that needs one of those disabled apps.
In case you have any other questions feel free to ask.
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If you are running the stock ROM you can just update OTA right? I'm not running a stock ROM so i dont have any OTA at all, but just curious...
I'm running stock rom, nothing changed except it's rooted. Are you saying I won't get any OTA updates from HTC? Would I get them if I took the phone in to a T-Mobile store, say when ICS is released or would it still not update because it's rooted?
MANTI5 said:
Ok, didn't quite understand the guide here but found a video that made it easy and now I'm rooted. Will this keep me from receiving updates? When I get updates will this unroot the phone? Also, which apps are safe to remove without messing anything up?
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what video did you follow?
Not sure of it's exact location because I didn't bookmark it, but it was on youtube.
Anyone know the answer to my last question?
to find your answer boot into recovery on your phone, if you see it orange or blue with lots of options and on top it says CWM custom recovery, then no you will not receive OTA's, but to be honest thats ok, usually we root users get OTA leaks before its even released, expamle ICS some one is already working on ICS port so we will see ICS before even official release is even out
and if your rooted i found best way to remove bloat is to use titanium backup
back up the apps you want to remove in there and from the same app there is an option to uninstall it
Ok, got TB. Is there a list somwhere of apps that are safe to remove from the sensation? Also, when ICS is released, will putting it on my phone myself erase anything I currently have or not work at all if I start removing apps? Sorry for all the questions, this is my first smartphone.
I just want to ask some questions, seems like some of these threads are out of date.
My phone came out of box JB, so I need to restore down to ICS to root, then use a program called VooDoo to protect said root and update back to JB?
Unless my Bootloader is unlocked, What are the pro/cons of that, I heard you dont get OTA updates, but I could live without those, we can just download them ourselves right?
SirRudolph said:
I just want to ask some questions, seems like some of these threads are out of date.
My phone came out of box JB, so I need to restore down to ICS to root, then use a program called VooDoo to protect said root and update back to JB?
Unless my Bootloader is unlocked, What are the pro/cons of that, I heard you dont get OTA updates, but I could live without those, we can just download them ourselves right?
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There have been a lot of misconceptions about unlocked bootloaders in this forum. Unlocking your bootloader doesn't necessarily mean the phone will not be eligible for updates, rather the updates will not install on a modified system. What is your real reason for root? Most people are always looking for the latest update, but mess up some files on their phone and don't have backup, in which case the update will fail.
With the Rogers/fido fiasco, we had people go back to the wrong Rogers version of software, since it was not posted properly on the Motorola firmware download website.
Another con is that your warranty would be totally void. Personally I haven't find the need yet to root this device and have had it for almost 4 months now!
Sent from my XT925 using Tapatalk 2
I wont agree for some people the modifications other people do seem trivial.
I've already rooted though, turns out I did have to do what I said above, now running 4.1.1 with Root
I root because a few applications I use, for instance SetCPU allows me to underclock the processors in my phone while the screen is locked, that saves a bit of battery life. I wish Motorola allowed a smart action trigger for when the phone screen was off though, this would help it even more so to save battery.
I use another app to change the lockscreen sounds, which requires root as well.
I havent looked at possible ROM's on this phone yet, as far as I know developers arent quite getting into this phone as deep as they usually do? Thusly I dont think i'll need to use a custom ROM. Just my own optimizations.
I bought a used XT925 today. While the previous owner did go to some trouble to clean it, it still has a bunch of apps and some settings that I really don't want. Also, as a privacy paranoiac, I'm worried that there may be something malicious (however slight the possibility).
The device is rooted and running JB 4.1.2. I would love to factory reset it but having read a few reports of people losing root or worse (here, here, here and here, to list just a few) that plan seems ill-advised.
I've been toying with trying to script some kind of fs compare against a fs from a rom, but I'm not sure if this is even feasible. So far the only other thing I can think of to do is uninstall all the apps and manually sift through and delete all the other junk in the filesystem.
Does anyone have any suggestions on returning my device to the most "virgin" state possible while retaining root?
triplexdoubledadevelopers said:
I bought a used XT925 today. While the previous owner did go to some trouble to clean it, it still has a bunch of apps and some settings that I really don't want. Also, as a privacy paranoiac, I'm worried that there may be something malicious (however slight the possibility).
The device is rooted and running JB 4.1.2. I would love to factory reset it but having read a few reports of people losing root or worse (here, here, here and here, to list just a few) that plan seems ill-advised.
I've been toying with trying to script some kind of fs compare against a fs from a rom, but I'm not sure if this is even feasible. So far the only other thing I can think of to do is uninstall all the apps and manually sift through and delete all the other junk in the filesystem.
Does anyone have any suggestions on returning my device to the most "virgin" state possible while retaining root?
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Simplest way is to use RSD Lite to send your device back to stock 4.1.2 -- then you can use the recently posted root method to gain root back. It should take < 15 minutes to do, most of that spent flashing with RSDLite. It'll actually take longer to download all the ADB drivers, Moto drivers, etc -- if you don't have them already.
triplexdoubledadevelopers said:
I bought a used XT925 today. While the previous owner did go to some trouble to clean it, it still has a bunch of apps and some settings that I really don't want. Also, as a privacy paranoiac, I'm worried that there may be something malicious (however slight the possibility).
The device is rooted and running JB 4.1.2. I would love to factory reset it but having read a few reports of people losing root or worse (here, here, here and here, to list just a few) that plan seems ill-advised.
I've been toying with trying to script some kind of fs compare against a fs from a rom, but I'm not sure if this is even feasible. So far the only other thing I can think of to do is uninstall all the apps and manually sift through and delete all the other junk in the filesystem.
Does anyone have any suggestions on returning my device to the most "virgin" state possible while retaining root?
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Whats up,
Cpudan80 is right, your best bet is to flash stock 4.1.2, and to reroot. And it does take about 15 minutes if you don't already have drivers and stuff, but I can help you out, by linking you to my utility, which essentially does the heavy lifting of finding all of the programs and stuff, and puts it together into one convenient package.
Find it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2241788
Cpudan80 said:
Simplest way is to use RSD Lite to send your device back to stock 4.1.2 -- then you can use the recently posted root method to gain root back.
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Mr.Parkinson said:
Cpudan80 is right, your best bet is to flash stock 4.1.2, and to reroot.
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Thanks for the replies! Would you link me to that root method, Cpudan80? All of the root methods I've been able to find say that you must flash 4.0 or CWM first in order to root, then protect root and upgrade to JB again. Is there a new better way which doesn't require downgrading?
triplexdoubledadevelopers said:
Thanks for the replies! Would you link me to that root method, Cpudan80? All of the root methods I've been able to find say that you must flash 4.0 or CWM first in order to root, then protect root and upgrade to JB again. Is there a new better way which doesn't require downgrading?
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There's a thread on here somewhere -- but here's the thread I followed (after using RSDLite to go back to clean 4.1.2). No hard steps at all, just run a bat file - press enter and viola - you're rooted.
http://www.droidrzr.com/index.php/topic/15208-root-motochopper-yet-another-android-root-exploit/
Cpudan80 said:
There's a thread on here somewhere -- but here's the thread I followed (after using RSDLite to go back to clean 4.1.2). No hard steps at all, just run a bat file - press enter and viola - you're rooted.
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Amazing, thanks! I had seen that exploit at one point when I was considering getting an earlier RAZR version and was looking into how easy it was to root it. I thought that exploit didn't work with the XT925 since there was no link to it in the forum (and searches only revealed many tales of failed root attempts and downgrades). Thanks again!
First off, I am not responsible for anything that happens to your device.
Secondly, the only way I have tested this is with a FULLY STOCK, ROOTED ROM with NO SYSTEM APPS REMOVED (frozen is okay).
I was able to update my I337 to the 7/9 release of MF3 and retain root.
1. Install VooDoo OTA Root Keeper, make sure all 5 boxes are checked (may have to reinstall superuser if "Google Play" displays and grant root to the app)
2. Reboot, double check VooDoo OTA Root Keeper again has all checked boxes, then tell it to save root
3. Defrost/Enable all AT&T update apps, including AT&T Software Update, download the update through the check for software updates option in settings, and apply it.
4. Reboot, Use VooDoo OTA Root Keeper to restore root
5. Profit
props to @gokartracer5 for being the first to find this
SOME USERS WITH CUSTOM RECOVERIES, KERNELS, or DELETED SYSTEM APPS HAVE EXPERIENCED PROBLEMS.
Great news. I posted this in the other thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=43504854&postcount=407
The real question is, if you have working root on MF3, how to extract it so that everyone on MF3 can reroot.
I have a few questions.
1. did you have a custom recovery?
2. did you go stock before update
3. did you wipe data factory reset
WoodburyMan said:
The real question is, if you have working root on MF3, how to extract it so that everyone on MF3 can reroot.
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scott14719 said:
Great news. I posted this in the other thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=43504854&postcount=407
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I am guessing that Voodoo creates a file with all needed files and install locations when it is prompted to save root. If that created file can be found (temporary stored location), extracted, and then put on someone else's phone, Voodoo could theoretically reinstall root on the other phone. The file structure would need to be the same (same build / ROM) and it would only work if Voodoo doesn't give each created file a unique ID that only matches the original phone the file(s) were created on.
A better way would be to simply figure out where and how Voodoo re-injects root and then make a script that follows the same method.
Roadk1ng said:
I have a few questions.
1. did you have a custom recovery?
2. did you go stock before update
3. did you wipe data factory reset
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At the time I was stock rooted with Xposed framwork and with Nottach's mod, no custom recovery.
I did not have to factory reset.
Maybe the key is that with VooDoo, root remains physically on the device, so there was no need to try to put it back on through an external device.
Which makes me think it may not work for a new unrooted MF3 device...
However, I am no Dev... hopefully this gives the real geniuses something to work with.
Voodoo Description from Play store page...there is also an XDA link:
"Free tool trying to protect root across manufacturer's OTA updates.
Also serves as temporary un-root (see statement)
Distributed as free of charge - no warranty. Open Source license: WTFPL.
Alternative download link: http://dl.project-voodoo.org/apps/VoodooOTARootKeeper.apk
This application makes a backup or a protected backup of your device's root.
This device must already be rooted: OTA RootKeeper doesn't have the ability to root devices.
If several conditions are matched, OTA RootKeeper will make root survive OTAs and... pretty much well anything − except /system partition formatting.
Requirement:
- /system partition as Ext2, Ext3 or Ext4
- Upgrades not formatting or overwriting completely the /system partition.
Typical systems where its perfectly effective:
- Nexus S
- Galaxy Nexus
- Every Honeycomb tablet
Typical system where the protection won't work:
- HTC Desire
- Samsung Galaxy Spica
- Samsung Galaxy S / SII
The application doesn't support original Superuser and not SuperSU for a very simple reason. The same feature OTA protection feature is already present in SuperSU.
In most case, only manufacturer's original recovery is able to install OTAs. It should not interfere with OTA update process itself.
A bonus feature is present, allowing you to un-root your device while keeping a su backup.
This way you can naively hide root until you choose to restore it via without further complications.
This nifty feature work on every rooted device.
** Temporary un-root statement **
This feature is designed for dev purposes in order to test their app with or without root.
The goal here is not to encourage stupid and unacceptable behaviors by movie or content sellers trying to prevent you to purchase or watch digital media you purchased if your device is rooted.
Vote with your dollars: Don't accept being a customer of companies restricting your freedom with defective and and inefficient technical measures.
Source code is available here:
https://github.com/project-voodoo/ota-rootkeeper-app
OTA root keeper is Open Source. Contributions, reviews and comments are welcome!
If you like this app, feel free to donate via PayPal to [email protected] & make my day in the process "
XDA Developers thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241517
I posted this for several reasons.
1. The Dev said SuperSU has the same OTA protection feature built in. Has anyone simply tried it?
2. Although the Dev states that Voodoo does not inject root, he did state that it created a "protected" backup...so it still might be possible to locate that protected backup and inject it into someone else's similar device?
3. More information may be available via the XDA link.
I'm not a Developer either, but it seems something could come of this for those that are already on the MF3 firmware without root.
Active devices came with MF3 and we have a working root. Has anyone with a regular S4 on MF3 tried it?
Sent from my S4 Active
TwoStroker37 said:
Active devices came with MF3 and we have a working root. Has anyone with a regular S4 on MF3 tried it?
Sent from my S4 Active
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Tried, discussed, and tried some more. There is a lot of info available about it in the various threads. I think the general consensus is that the exploit used in the Active Root might work on the New MF3 (non-Active) OTA, however the APK geohot put together verifies that the phone is an AT&T Active or it aborts. People have tried to contact him, but I don't think anyone has heard anything yet.
I'm on Verizon, so its not exactly the same, but I'm having a hell of a time recreating your success. My device keeps error-ing out in the middle of the update
Yeah this is the method I used yesterday. It works. One thing you have to do after is open the supersu app and install the binaries. It will give two options. Choose normal.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I497 using xda premium
I have used Voodoo's OTA Keeper on all by devices for years and I had placed the app on my phone and "saved" my Root immediately after I got my phone. I am on Stock and had Froze all update apps so I never got the update and then when I read about update and people losing Root I posted in some thread about possible OTA Keeper use prior to update. The comments I got back was that it would not work for some technical reason. Since I am not a developer I said OK and just went on. I still not done the update and the only thing I really wanted to try in update was the new modem which I just downloaded and Flashed. Still it good to see that OTA Keeper does appear to work. I will keep watching this thread and if everyone that is the trying app and it working I may Unfreeze and get update.
gokartracer5 said:
Yeah this is the method I used yesterday. It works. One thing you have to do after is open the supersu app and install the binaries. It will give two options. Choose normal.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I497 using xda premium
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Yep. I mentioned you in the OP.
SGS4 non stock
If you have root on this update now, would someone be willing to try installing Goo Manager and installing a custom recovery and then flashing a Loki ROM? Now we can finally move forward a little bit at least.
I'm on step 3. Keep getting "Software update interrupted"
AmesCell said:
I'm on step 3. Keep getting "Software update interrupted"
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Try defrosting all frozen apps first.
SGS4 non stock
I did that. Set TiB to show only frozen and it's got nothing. I tried a few reboots to be safe. This thing has no mods other than root. I use TiB to wipe the ATT updater data and still same thing.
Is anything different about this if you're using custom recovery? I'm on rooted-MDL with CWM.
someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that custom recoveries won't flash OTA updates.
on my s3 I used mobile Odin for flashing firmware .tar files and ota .zip files as it would always root and inject supersu. while mobile Odin is available for the us market s4, it is NOT available for the att s4.