Hi,
I did not see any topic about mouse for the surface rt.
Well, my question is which mouse can i use on my rt without use the USB port.
I know, the microsoft mouse, but 70 euros for this tactical mouse... i think it's a bit expensive for it. does exist any alternantive?
well thank's for any answer
Any standard bluetooth mouse, any standard USB mouse.
Or basically 99.9% of modern mice.
Only reason there is no topic is because it is pretty obvious that x mouse will work. There is nothing special about how windows RT handles mice. Only thing to watch out for are additional device drivers if your mouse has macro buttons etc, but even my RAT5 works fine in standard USB mode, I just dont get to replrogram the macros. WiFi mice are out of the window (and damn rare) because they require special device drivers which you cant install on the RT. Serial mice are also out the window. PS/2 mice can be used with USB adaptors (as can keyboards). Wireless mice with the little USB recievers are fine, bluetooth mice are fine, regular wired USB mice are fine.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Any standard bluetooth mouse, any standard USB mouse.
Or basically 99.9% of modern mice.
Only reason there is no topic is because it is pretty obvious that x mouse will work. There is nothing special about how windows RT handles mice. Only thing to watch out for are additional device drivers if your mouse has macro buttons etc, but even my RAT5 works fine in standard USB mode, I just dont get to replrogram the macros. WiFi mice are out of the window (and damn rare) because they require special device drivers which you cant install on the RT. Serial mice are also out the window. PS/2 mice can be used with USB adaptors (as can keyboards). Wireless mice with the little USB recievers are fine, bluetooth mice are fine, regular wired USB mice are fine.
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thank's for you answer but you don't answer to my question, maybe i dont explain my problem.
i search a wireless mouse to use without any receiver. The official mouse use the Bluetooth, and i did not know that, but now it's ok and i can search a bluethooth mouse ^^
i know that all usb mouse work fine, i use it at the moment ^^
is the bluetooth burn the battery ?
Bluetooth is specifically meant to utilise little power. It will impact your battery life but it shouldn't be massively so. WiFi uses far far more energy, screen brightness would also make a bigger difference to battery life than whether bluetooth is on or off I reckon.
If you want to know how much difference it will make, perhaps see if you can get your phone to pair with the RT and then mess about from there. It wont be a completely realistic test as there will be more data transfer between a mouse (which always sends some data even when not moving, albeit at a slower rate) than a phone which is paired but not doing anything.
You can buy mice which use Bluetooth 4.0, off the top of my head I dont know if the surface RT supports 4.0, if it does I would try to find a 4.0 mouse as there are additional energy savings in 4.0 if you are really concerned.
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Bluetooth is specifically meant to utilise little power. It will impact your battery life but it shouldn't be massively so. WiFi uses far far more energy, screen brightness would also make a bigger difference to battery life than whether bluetooth is on or off I reckon.
If you want to know how much difference it will make, perhaps see if you can get your phone to pair with the RT and then mess about from there. It wont be a completely realistic test as there will be more data transfer between a mouse (which always sends some data even when not moving, albeit at a slower rate) than a phone which is paired but not doing anything.
You can buy mice which use Bluetooth 4.0, off the top of my head I dont know if the surface RT supports 4.0, if it does I would try to find a 4.0 mouse as there are additional energy savings in 4.0 if you are really concerned.
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Thank's for this helpfull answer.
Well, im not really focus on the battery life of my surface RT, but, i don't want to loose of its advantage : battery life.
So well, now it's ok, i will see to buy a Bluetooth mouse.
I see the logitech around 40 euros and a microsoft around 25 euros. The price is better, and it seems to be more friendly user, than this tactical mouse...
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I was just wondering - is there a way to connect USB mice/keyboards to an i-mate?
I want to use a USB keyboard as I HATE touch screen keyboards >_>
If you're referring to the mini-usb port, i've never seen it done. What you can do is get a bluetooth keyboard (quite pricy, but well worth it) and use that instead of your touch screen.
There are also infra-red ones available (I have one) though the keyboard needs to sit in the right area. I would certainly recommend a bluetooth one instead though.
I am interested in using the G Tablet as a thin client computing device. This would give me ultra-portability and all-day battery life. It would allow me to keep my personal life on the tablet and use remote desktop for business stuff. This way personal and business life coexists on the same device without security concerns. This isn't going to work though unless I basically make my tablet into a netbook.
I've done some research on bluetooth devices but don't have a working bluetooth mouse or keyboard yet, which is the reason for my post.
I have a Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000 and so far have not been able to get it working. I tried VEGAn 5.1 and it connects but doesn't pair. I installed BlueInput for Android and couldn't get the mouse working with it either. See teksoftco.com for info on this app. It is supposed to add bluetooth HID support to Android 2.1 or newer.
I don't have a bluetooth keyboard yet - not worried about that until a mouse works.
I ordered a case with built-in USB keyboard and it is adequate. A clip blocks the mini USB port though, so I may do surgery on it to move it down a bit. The case is from witglobal.com.
Any suggestions on what ROM to work with to achieve my goal? Any other info from someone who may have this working?
I don't want to use a bluetooth device with a USB receiver - It'll just get lost or broken and be in the way. I have a dock and I think that is going to work out for my desk - just working on the mobile part.
BTW I really like the 2X Client for remote control. Only thing I am disappointed in so far is the audio doesn't seem to work.
Thanks All!
I have cyanogenmod 6.1 working with a HID mouse - no add-ons. Caveat now is getting the market working. I installed it per wiki instructions but no apps show up...off to more searching!
I use my Zpad (Malata T2) for exactly your purpose.
I guess the Zpad ROM supports this out of the box?? (I'm running the stock ROM).
My mouse is also the Microsoft 5000 Mouse (little white and black one). My keyboard is off ebay, here is the link (except I have the black one):
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/UItra-FLat-B...Peripherals&hash=item255f52af24#ht_3488wt_907
I use Xtralogic (by far the best RDP client)
At saying that it's not 100% perfect. Here is what doesn't work:
Delete Key
Ctrl C or V etc
Right Mouse Button (you can emulate by a long left press)
Mouse Wheel
Some special characters like; < > ^ ~ ` and probably others
Wifi & Bluetooth have issues working together, but 3G and Bluetooth is fine
I'd pay for a driver that fixes this if anyone knows of one.
Cheers, Mal
I know this might be tough and might not work for all devices, but can we make something, via USB cables/Bluetooth/WiFi or whatsoever to dock our phone to our laptop/desktop?
Perhaps a program for the Windows to show the display of the phone at phone's resolution. Then mouse to navigate within Android (we'll lose multi-touch though - no pinch-to-zoom) and of course keyboard to perform what it should.
Is it very hard to realise?
What I have been thinking is to get the display out, let the mouse be our finger and each keyboard button to map to the alphabet input to the phone.
Impossible?
(Disclaimer: I have zero knowledge in developing an apps or software. It's just a wild idea I have after watching the laptop dock of Atrix)
VNC? Host VNC on the phone and connect to it from a laptop/PC. It'd run slow and **** though.
Webkey (ROOT REQUIRED) accomplishes this with a browser interface over WiFi, I'm not sure if it works over the USB cable.
Why do they bother to still design tablets with the CPU/GPU on board? When I think about the future of windows with windows 8 I think about tablets being heavier to run the x86 architecture and I wonder why not just use something like intels widi and transmit only the picture to a tablet and have a server plugged in doing all the processing, maybe even running another instance or switchable session of the OS attached to a standard desktop display/keyboard mouse. The tablet would of course still need a processor but only to process a ready to go image, audio and to interpret touch inputs and transmit them to the server. This would allow for larger batteries and be much more cost effective in the long run.
Of course we will still need today's style for outside the home/office but like the desktop there is still a market for the LAN only machines.
Maybe this is already available and someone can point me to where I can buy it now! :x
You want the cloud? Not ready yet. Until then, splashtop will have to do. Also, botnet.
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You want the cloud? Not ready yet. Until then, splashtop will have to do. Also, botnet.
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No, nothing over the internet. I'm simply talking about a wireless display with a battery but one that can transmit touch inputs. Not sure how else to put it but if you have seen the wireless transmitter and receivers for HDMI, similar to this.
Does anyone see where I'm going with this? Windows 8 is touch screen but the best I could find that are desktop-like is the dell ST2220T which only has 2 touch points that is not cetified for windows 8 which I believe accepts up to 4.
Next I looked at tablets and there are a few budget(if you can call $500 with a small display, bad/slow graphics card and little storage budget) that look promising but could easily have 100 hardware issues that would drive me nuts and then theres the name brand stuff like samsungs $1,000 pc tablets which still suffer from built in gpu's that suck.
My idea would simply be the cost of a screen and battery if you already own a desktop with say, intel widi (wireless display) and some sort of input receiver to receive the touch commands from the tablet display. The performance would be virtually unlimited!
Are you basically talking about a device that connects through your local network to a transmitting PC running an OS of your choosing? Sort of like a portable monitor that doubles as a touchscreen?
Constant wifi or similar connection would drain the battery as well. Also, that would require a whole separate computer to run the system itself (if you're doing it at home), or a fast, VERY low latency broadband connection to a cloud (so forget about the device being very cheap just because you have to somehow pay for the server-side as well). Otherwise you'd be struggling with laggy UI which is the exact opposite of what everyone wants.
So... not for a few more years... or decades
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Are you basically talking about a device that connects through your local network to a transmitting PC running an OS of your choosing? Sort of like a portable monitor that doubles as a touchscreen?
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Like a portable monitor with touchscreen that transmits touch inputs/commands wirelessly back to the desktop just like a mouse.
I don't think transmitting through networks is a good idea and thats why I mentioned the Intel WIDI wireless display technology that is already in most new Inte'ls so all we would really need to change on the PC side is a customized wireless receiver for the touch inputs.
Hell, I'm thinking about calling a friend who is an EE and getting something made if nobody else is...lol.
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Constant wifi or similar connection would drain the battery as well. Also, that would require a whole separate computer to run the system itself (if you're doing it at home), or a fast, VERY low latency broadband connection to a cloud (so forget about the device being very cheap just because you have to somehow pay for the server-side as well). Otherwise you'd be struggling with laggy UI which is the exact opposite of what everyone wants.
So... not for a few more years... or decades
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Eh the technology is here with http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/intel-wireless-display.html
Using wifi isn't efficient, but tablets use most of their energy on the display and processing. Since all you would be doing is signal processing vs actual computation @ the tablet end you would use considerably less juice. Like Half.
You are talking direct wireless connection from tablet to monitor, not going through a wireless router or connection? Interesting idea, but why not just go through a wireless connection? Wouldn't this also kind of tether you to your pc? Splashtop or Logmein allows you to do this anywhere.
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You are talking direct wireless connection from tablet to monitor, not going through a wireless router or connection? Interesting idea, but why not just go through a wireless connection? Wouldn't this also kind of tether you to your pc? Splashtop or Logmein allows you to do this anywhere.
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All I'm talking about is a PC or laptop with a second display thats wireless. Then we call it a tablet because it has a touch screen that sends signals back to the PC or laptop to move the mouse or rather gestures. Not cloud computing, I have done this and it's terrible. Cloud is basically remote desktop which is choppy and worse then current tablets. What I'm talking about would make the performance increase as Intel claims virtually no latency with WIDI and even 5 milliseconds would be hard to notice considering how laggy android is as it's basically a virtual machine.
Hereis a clip I just found, not sure if it's available yet but:
Now ASUS brings another solution to the table, the WiCast, which can be connected to any computer and any television and promises latency-free 1080p video and audio.
Is it possible to use Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with the RT or Pro simultaneously?
You'd want to use Mouse Without Borders or Synergy (will require "jailbreaking" the RT) to control two devices with one set of peripherals. Otherwise, no - Bluetooth peripherals can only be actively paired with one machine.
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You'd want to use Mouse Without Borders or Synergy (will require "jailbreaking" the RT) to control two devices with one set of peripherals. Otherwise, no - Bluetooth peripherals can only be actively paired with one machine.
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That's not true. My Surface Pro actively pairs with a BT mouse, a BT keyboard and a HTC phone (BT tethering) simultaneously without any issue. My Samsung GT 7.0 plus did the same thing.
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Is it possible to use Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with the RT or Pro simultaneously?
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Yep, and a few more peripherals as well. Can't remember the upper limit, but it's like 7 simultaneously? Something like that.
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That's not true. My Surface Pro actively pairs with a BT mouse, a BT keyboard and a HTC phone (BT tethering) simultaneously without any issue. My Samsung GT 7.0 plus did the same thing.
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It's not just paring it simultaneously, but using it simultaneously. I don't want to buy a cover keyboard because I already have a wedge keyboard and mouse. I might be forced to buy the cover if I can't use my intended setup simultaneously.
Ah... I may have misinterpreted the request. It is of course possible to use multiple peripherals with one device at the same time. I thought you were asking about using the same peripherals with multiple devices at once (which is possible via software like Mouse Without Borders).
Stupid ambiguous English "or". I need to stop parsing sentences so literally. I didn't realize that one-device-many-peripherals was even soemthing somebody would ask about.
I use my Apple bluetooth keyboard and Magic Mouse together with my Surface Pro without any problems. ....well, there's one problem... the mouse lags big time when I'm downloading files over wifi. This is due to interference caused by 2.4Ghz wifi & bluetooth operating at the same time. There's no lag when I'm just browsing the web though.
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It's not just paring it simultaneously, but using it simultaneously. I don't want to buy a cover keyboard because I already have a wedge keyboard and mouse. I might be forced to buy the cover if I can't use my intended setup simultaneously.
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I meant use them simultaneously, not just pair.
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Ah... I may have misinterpreted the request. It is of course possible to use multiple peripherals with one device at the same time. I thought you were asking about using the same peripherals with multiple devices at once (which is possible via software like Mouse Without Borders).
Stupid ambiguous English "or". I need to stop parsing sentences so literally. I didn't realize that one-device-many-peripherals was even soemthing somebody would ask about.
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You were right. I ever tried using one bt mouse to control two devices and failed. I thought you were talking the same question the op asked.
Brightxda said:
That's not true. My Surface Pro actively pairs with a BT mouse, a BT keyboard and a HTC phone (BT tethering) simultaneously without any issue. My Samsung GT 7.0 plus did the same thing.
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Thats 1 host connecting to many devices. GoodDay said its impossible for 1 device to connect to many hosts. Technically he is wrong as bluetooth slaves can have more than 1 master but this is very difficult to do and the HID profile for mice and keyboards does not support that either then making him right again.
But yeah. But otherwise yeah. A tablet or laptop or any other bluetooth master/host can connect to multiple devices/slaves at one time. One bluetooth adaptor should be able to connect to 7 other devices at once although some support less (this is rare).
Under normal conditions though a bluetooth mouse or keyboard (a slave device) cannot connect to more than one device AT ONE TIME. There are pieces of software which allow multiple PC's to share a mouse or keyboard though.
Ah cool, I didn't know that some BT profiles support multiple hosts active at once. I've only ever used mice and headsets, and the mice (didn't try the headsets) would need to be re-paired with the other computer if I wanted to switch which one it was connected to.
In any case, multiple clients was definitely supported, and this was in Vista. I'm sure Win8 has no issues there.
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Ah cool, I didn't know that some BT profiles support multiple hosts active at once
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Yeah, its a right pain in the ass to deal with though. Sometimes gets used in robotics. You probably wont ever find it in consumer use, most consumer applications for bluetooth just need the 1 host.
Another weird quirk in bluetooth is switching roles on the fly. 2 devices, ie 2 phones, can start a connection with one of them acting as master and the other as slave, mid way through communication they can then reverse that role. Seen that one used before.
Blue Ant has an earpiece that can pair to two phones at the same time. I used to have one. Had it paired with my work phone and personal phone. It had different ring tones for both phones. You could also switch between the phones while on a call if the other phone recieved a call.
i've tried logitech k400 with my surface - minikeyboard&touchpad-in-one. works perfect.
2nd solution: you can use any usb-hub to connect your favorite usb keyboard and mouse and even something else simultaneously. :good: