[Q] HDMI & VGA Adapters for RT / PRO - Microsoft Surface

Hello,
in microsoft store there is 2 different VGA adapter, one for RT version and one for PRO, but they look absolutely same... Are they different? Can I use adapters from SURFACE RT with SURFACE PRO?

They look very similar, but I believe the pins and electrical outputs are different. They are not believed to be compatible. I think the RT uses standard microHDMI (well, almost standard; the side of the tablet is not perpendicular to the port, which is nonstandard, but third-party ports should still work).

GoodDayToDie said:
They look very similar, but I believe the pins and electrical outputs are different. They are not believed to be compatible. I think the RT uses standard microHDMI (well, almost standard; the side of the tablet is not perpendicular to the port, which is nonstandard, but third-party ports should still work).
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I want to sell my RT and buy PRO version and I don't know if I should sell my adapters and buy new for PRO..... yes, the tablet side in RT is not perpendicular but it is also not what much oblique to be the problem... USB port is also on the same side and I didn't have had any troubles with sticks, mouse or whatever...
I just can't find difference(excluding the skewness) between this adapters...

The RT only has micro/mini HDMI (one or the other I forget which), the pro (its not capitalised like RT btw) is display port, look at them and they aren't the same any more than a USB and a headphone jack. Sockets are different shapes, different numbers of pins and different electrical signals.
Your RT adaptors won't even fit the socket on the pro without you breaking the socket.
That is why there are 2 adaptors, an HDMI-VGA for the RT and DisplayPort-VGA for the pro.

SixSixSevenSeven said:
The RT only has micro/mini HDMI (one or the other I forget which), the pro (its not capitalised like RT btw) is display port, look at them and they aren't the same any more than a USB and a headphone jack. Sockets are different shapes, different numbers of pins and different electrical signals.
Your RT adaptors won't even fit the socket on the pro without you breaking the socket.
That is why there are 2 adaptors, an HDMI-VGA for the RT and DisplayPort-VGA for the pro.
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Thanks for clarification!

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what usb bluetooth connectors do people use

thinking about getting the belkin with a 100m range
seems pretty sweet and dont look too ugly
what types of bluetooth connectors do people use?
on their computers that is?

Micro HDMI to HDMI

I found at 15ft on Amazon and a 25 ft on eBay, I want the 25, just wondering if there is any loss of signal with the longer cord?
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no of course not
hdmi (and nearly everything else nowadays) is digital meaning either you get complete signal or you don't. cable length will not effect it, neither will gold plating or any other material. plz do not get ripped off by bastard companies like "MONSTER" that sell ridiculously overpriced wires
ps when I say complete signal, i mean there's a complete signal for each contact/pin present for the wire. really badly made wires may not have all the corresponding pins in contact. (but if the metals are touching and electrons can flow, they will). i wonder if voltage and amperes come into play here at all though, now thats a question for the enthusiasts lol
n8dwgphx said:
I found at 15ft on Amazon and a 25 ft on eBay, I want the 25, just wondering if there is any loss of signal with the longer cord?
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I have used custom made HDMI cables up to 75' in length for some high end home theater installations. There should be no issue with a 25' cable.
xali said:
no of course not
hdmi (and nearly everything else nowadays) is digital meaning either you get complete signal or you don't. cable length will not effect it, neither will gold plating or any other material. plz do not get ripped off by bastard companies like "MONSTER" that sell ridiculously overpriced wires
ps when I say complete signal, i mean there's a complete signal for each contact/pin present for the wire. really badly made wires may not have all the corresponding pins in contact. (but if the metals are touching and electrons can flow, they will). i wonder if voltage and amperes come into play here at all though, now thats a question for the enthusiasts lol
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thats not entirely true.... becuase it IS digital you can run greater distances, but here is a nice fact i found.
Cable length
The HDMI specification does not define a maximum cable length. As with all cables, signal attenuation becomes too high at a certain length. Instead, HDMI specifies a minimum performance standard. Any cable meeting that specification is compliant. Different construction quality and materials will enable cables of different lengths. In addition, higher performance requirements must be met to support video formats with higher resolutions and/or frame rates than the standard HDTV formats.
The signal attenuation and intersymbol interference caused by the cables can be compensated by using Adaptive Equalization.
HDMI 1.3 defined two categories of cables: Category 1 (standard or HDTV) and Category 2 (high-speed or greater than HDTV) to reduce the confusion about which cables support which video formats. Using 28 AWG, a cable of about 5 meters (~16 feet) can be manufactured easily and inexpensively to Category 1 specifications. Higher-quality construction (24 AWG, tighter construction tolerances, etc.) can reach lengths of 12 to 15 meters. In addition, active cables (fiber optic or dual Cat-5 cables instead of standard copper) can be used to extend HDMI to 100 meters or more. Some companies also offer amplifiers, equalizers and repeaters that can string several standard (non-active) HDMI cables together.

Xbox HDMI To Surface HDMI...Possible?

Well, this is more of a curiosity question than a practical. I was wondering if it was possible to get my Xbox running on my Surface screen, considering my surface is just a computer with a screen, I've tried HDMI to HDMI Mini, but I didn't think that would work... and it didn't.
Like I said, I don't need the answer, but it would be nice knowing I could play on my Xbox on the go.
No, Surface only has hdmi out and not hdmi in.
wardh said:
No, Surface only has hdmi out and not hdmi in.
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That's a Damn shame.
It's the same on all laptops. I've never yet seen a single one that could take HDMI in.
The only devices I have seen with HDMI in have been displays (of course) and video capture devices.
You can use a usb HDMI capture device as an input, bit latency on those things is sky high to the point that all games will be unplayable.
Otherwise. No computer to my knowledge has HDMI input abilities, including the surface.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
The only devices I have seen with HDMI in have been displays (of course) and video capture devices.
You can use a usb HDMI capture device as an input, bit latency on those things is sky high to the point that all games will be unplayable.
Otherwise. No computer to my knowledge has HDMI input abilities, including the surface.
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My question now is.... why? Is it a hardware issue? Too me it makes no sense, I can't work out why they wouldn't make it possible.
Dane Reynolds said:
My question now is.... why? Is it a hardware issue? Too me it makes no sense, I can't work out why they wouldn't make it possible.
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Yes, it hardware. It like you cannot put 3.5mm microphone jack into 3.5mm headphone jack on many mp3 player and phone. It design to output port. Not input port. Except some device that combine output/input port into one.
Processors and graphics cards only ever have HDMI output. Never input. It would be an intensive task to record an HDMI input.
Now you could suggest that they rewire tye HDMI port directly to the screen, sadly the screen is not an HDMI screen on a laptop or tablet. Its usually LDVS or DSI, the former is more common. HDMI to LDVS adaptors exist but would add cost to the device and increase the amount of electronics you need to fit inside the shell of the laptop or tablet, your already space restricted in there.
Cheers everyone
Actually, you can connect your Xbox's HDMI into the Surface Pro, if you have an HD PVR, or any similar HDMI Capture Card.
YamiHoshi said:
Actually, you can connect your Xbox's HDMI into the Surface Pro, if you have an HD PVR, or any similar HDMI Capture Card.
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Already mentioned capture devices. The latency on them (particularly USB ones) is just terrible. If your using a pass through capture card or hdmi splitter to play Xbox on the TV then the latency doesn't matter, but trust me, trying to play on your computer screen via a capture device is so bad that you might as well not play in the first place.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Already mentioned capture devices. The latency on them (particularly USB ones) is just terrible. If your using a pass through capture card or hdmi splitter to play Xbox on the TV then the latency doesn't matter, but trust me, trying to play on your computer screen via a capture device is so bad that you might as well not play in the first place.
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I can confirm that 100% as I use a HDMI capture card on my desktop PC and it has a 50ms latency which is terrible, but I use it to record my Black Ops 2 videos from the in-game Vault so it's not a problem to me as I don't use it to directly play on it. But if I have such a huge latency, imagine that with a USB capture card like the Hauppauge HD-PVR ! It'd just be unplayable.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Already mentioned capture devices. The latency on them (particularly USB ones) is just terrible. If your using a pass through capture card or hdmi splitter to play Xbox on the TV then the latency doesn't matter, but trust me, trying to play on your computer screen via a capture device is so bad that you might as well not play in the first place.
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I have an HDMI Capture Card via USB, and I know they're not meant to play on a Computer Screen.
Why should you even do that (unless you're without a TV, of course)?
YamiHoshi said:
I have an HDMI Capture Card via USB, and I know they're not meant to play on a Computer Screen.
Why should you even do that (unless you're without a TV, of course)?
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That is what was suggested, the OP asked can he play his xbox using the surface as a monitor. USB capture card would be the only way and ,as we have long established, has far too much latency
If only there was an Xbox emulator.
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Ryno_666 said:
If only there was an Xbox emulator.
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Try emulating a 3.5ghz triple core powerPC CPU on your 1.7ghz dual core surface pro and then come back and ask that question again
Hell, all those guys moaning about no backwards compatibility for the xbox one, there is a reason for no backwards compatibility. 360 uses PowerPC, one uses x86. Emulation will be needed. General rule, to emulate platform A on platform B, platform B must be 10 times more powerful than platform A. Its a general rule, but the xbox one does not meet that requirement yet is way more powerful than the surface is.
The xbox live indie games use XNA and .NET though. No backwards compatibility for them is an absolute joke. It would be relatively trivial for a corporation such as microsoft to have .NET running on the one (infact I would hazard a guess that it will be), why the hell dont they let the indige games carry on over???? But now I am getting off topic.
End conclusion, no Xbox > surface is really possible unless you are screen capturing on a surface pro which would still be an undesirable situation for playing games, only recording.
To be fair he might have meant the original Xbox, which at 500MHz single-core x86 is probably too computationally intensive for the Surface RT (beacuse of the need to emulate x86) but might be possible even so, and would be trivial for the Pro. However, Microsoft does not generally approve of such emulators.
Yeah, original Xbox could well draw on existing hardware but no one has had much success as of yet which is a shame.
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Yeah, original Xbox could well draw on existing hardware but no one has had much success as of yet which is a shame.
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Yeah that's what I meant. I have a Pro and currently run several emulators. I am aware of the 360 specs but was mistaken that this thread wasn't about Original Xbox.
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Original Xbox and pre elite 360s didn't have an HDMI out which is what was being discussed.

Any desktop dock recommendations?

NOTE: I'll be using this with the GT-I9505G (Google Play Edition)
With my previous S2, I had a simple desktop dock that acted as a charger and didn't require me to remove the case. Something like that would be more than adequate. But, I also plan to get the MHL cable, so something that can function as both would be nice as well. So here's a few that I'm looking at. Please comment and/or add your own suggestions.
Samsung Galaxy Smart Dock Multimedia Hub - $80-$100
This, designed for the Note II and now the S4, seems like a solid choice, if not a bit expensive. It will fit the phone with most slim cases. It will also work as an HDMI-out, and even has 3 extra USB ports for peripherals such as a hard drive, keyboard, and mouse. More than I need in most cases. Also, the cost doesn't seem too unrealistic when you consider what you're getting. The MHL adapter is $40 alone, a basic dock that doesn't suck is $20, and this comes with an extra charging brick/cable. So $100 is a bit much, but $80 is a fair deal if you need all of those things.
The downside? No landscape support, which is an issue for some apps via MHL (uses a fraction of the HDTV). I'll have to see if my emulators will allow for a forced landscape mode. At least there seems to be a few apps that act as a workaround.
Sinjimoru Sync Docks - $15-$25
These come in a multitude of colors, and two materials; plastic ($15-$20) and aluminum ($20-$25). They support both portrait and landscape orientations. The dock comes with a charging cable (but no AC adapter, so you'll need to use the one that came with the phone or buy another). In portrait mode, the cable clips into the base and holds the phone in place, though it's dubious if a slim case will work. In landscape mode, it's dubious if the phone will stay in place (and you have to unclip the cord or use another). These are simple, elegant, and inexpensive, and if I knew for a fact that it would work with a case in portrait mode, it would be a frontrunner.
Ppyple Swivel Sync and Charge Dock - $20-$25
Looks like a mix between the Nexus 4 wireless charging dock, and a Jetsons recliner. Swivels between portrait and landscape orientations and seems to support most slim cases. Comes in black or white. So, downsides? Doesn't act as MHL, so the landscape orientation doesn't help me too much (I could find a use for it, though).
The Sinjimoru was a waste. It doesn't support the S4 with a case, but it's not advertised as such. However, the iPhone knock-off cable barely penetrates the S4 even without a case. You have to jam it into the S4, and even then, you'll get occasional disconnects/reconnects (evident by the screen turning on). Elegant looking and made of quality material, this dock is pretty much useless in terms of functionality. Also very unstable. The phone is very loose even when docked, and the dock slips around the desk easily. The back has a slippery rubber foot, while the front has no rubber foot.
I ended up getting the Samsung Multimedia dock/hub. It supports MHL via HDMI as well as 3xUSB inputs (USB OTG). While it initially doesn't force landscape, plugging in some USB keyboards forces landscape. Pretty cool.
The major downside is that it does not support MHL 2.0. 1080p is limited to 30hz, and it will not function without a power adapter plugged in.
I've been considering getting this dock. From what I could gather the OTG and MHL functionality don't work simultaneously, unlike in the Samsung dock.
The audio output on the back doesn't seem to work. Not sure if this is a limitation of the GPe variant, or if the dock is broken. I'll see if I can get a friend with a Touchwiz variant to help me test it.
Not a deal breaker, as you can plug an audio plug into the top of the phone. But it's more of an "it should work if I paid for it" issue.

LeEco Type C to 3.5mm Headphone Jack Adapter: How Long Will It Last?

Hey all. The LeEco Pro3 is my first phone without a headphone jack, and I'm really curious about one thing: the included USB-C 3.5mm headphone adapter. The build quality doesn't seem particularly great so I'm guessing it'll break quite easily (I hope not).
Now, I stuff my phone into my pocket all the time with the headphone adapter connected, and it's always stuck at an angle. Unfortunately it has to be like that for me to fit it into my pockets, otherwise it dangles out and stays unprotected. I travel in bad weather (live in Canada), so I absolutely need everything to stay inside my pockets or my electronics will get wet. Sadly, the headphone adapter gets bent every time.
So I'm wondering... how long did your headphone adapter stay alive? When did it stop working? Is it still working? And can anyone recommend me other USB-C headphone adapters that work with LeEco phones? I do have a spare original LeEco adapter to use if mine breaks (from the Le2) but I'd rather buy other ones instead.
Thanks!
Mine lasted a week or so.. but i knew it was going to break fast so i bought 6 more type c to 3.5 adapters from aliexpress at 1 usd. the only problem is that the channel pan is inverted but meh.. it was 1 usd so i can't ask much haha . my recommendation is to buy a lot of cheap adapters and use them freely without the constant fear of having just one and trying not to break it
A week? Wow. But yeah, I recently replaced the OEM adapter which looked like it was about to break. Horrible build quality on these. Does the OEM one have a built-in DAC, and do all headphone jack adapters come with one? IDK.
I bought the VOXLINK adapter thinking it would let me charge and listen to music at the same time, but when doing so, it produces a static noise over audio, so it's impossible to enjoy music unless you're listening to a loud and heavy song that muffles the static well.
Why is it so hard to find a decent USB-C headphone jack dongle. Especially with phones ditching the poor headphone jack left and right.
Vichergsen said:
Mine lasted a week or so.. but i knew it was going to break fast so i bought 6 more type c to 3.5 adapters from aliexpress at 1 usd. the only problem is that the channel pan is inverted but meh.. it was 1 usd so i can't ask much haha . my recommendation is to buy a lot of cheap adapters and use them freely without the constant fear of having just one and trying not to break it
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Link for the 6 adapters for $1?
I mean if you want a quality one. I'd buy Google's adapter
Mine died about 4 weeks after I got the phone. Bought a few adapters from xiaomi which look a lot sturdier. They were about 3€ per piece on Aliexpress.
Huh, interesting. Yeah, I have little faith in adapters that only use that soft rubbery stuff to cover cables. Google's adapter also uses that material, and it's really no good for longevity. My Voxlink adapter is still going strong, though it's way too bulky to use. So I bought a cheaper one that uses the same material for $1, and although it's slightly too long, it's sturdy. But I miss how small and compact the original LeEco adapter is.
Mine is still working, more than a year old now. Used almost every day.
Does the adapter that comes with the phone support headphones that have a 3 button control (Vol+ / Vol- / Play-Pause) and the microphone? I have ordered the phone but I am not sure if it will work with my Bose headphones that has the 3 buttons.
dookie23 said:
Does the adapter that comes with the phone support headphones that have a 3 button control (Vol+ / Vol- / Play-Pause) and the microphone? I have ordered the phone but I am not sure if it will work with my Bose headphones that has the 3 buttons.
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Works fine!
Gorehuhn said:
Works fine!
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In case I need to buy a new adapter in the future, what is the best way to find one that will work for the Le Pro 3? I have read that some adapters work for some phones but not all. I have seen a lot of adapters that are listed to be compatible with the Pixel and Moto Z but it doesn't mention the Le Pro 3.
My adapter is perfectly fine after 8 months
Mine also works. I got the phone around November 2016.
Audio adapters, splitters or dedicated USB-C DACs known to work w/ Le Pro3?
Hey everyone, I know this thread has been inactive for two years, but has anyone tried more USB-C to 3.5mm adapters, USB-C splitters (audio jack + USB-C for charging and audio simultaneously) and/or dedicated USB-C DACs with the Le Pro3? I'm considering buying a sturdy audio adapter/splitter (like the ones from Ugreen or Baseus), or the DDHIFI TC35B, but I don't want to waste my money into something that will not work properly (or won't work at all) with the Le Pro3. From there, I ask you this question, I'd greatly appreciate if you could tell me of any adapter/splitter/DAC that's known to work with the LEX720/722/727.
Thanks in advance.

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