Well, this is more of a curiosity question than a practical. I was wondering if it was possible to get my Xbox running on my Surface screen, considering my surface is just a computer with a screen, I've tried HDMI to HDMI Mini, but I didn't think that would work... and it didn't.
Like I said, I don't need the answer, but it would be nice knowing I could play on my Xbox on the go.
No, Surface only has hdmi out and not hdmi in.
wardh said:
No, Surface only has hdmi out and not hdmi in.
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That's a Damn shame.
It's the same on all laptops. I've never yet seen a single one that could take HDMI in.
The only devices I have seen with HDMI in have been displays (of course) and video capture devices.
You can use a usb HDMI capture device as an input, bit latency on those things is sky high to the point that all games will be unplayable.
Otherwise. No computer to my knowledge has HDMI input abilities, including the surface.
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The only devices I have seen with HDMI in have been displays (of course) and video capture devices.
You can use a usb HDMI capture device as an input, bit latency on those things is sky high to the point that all games will be unplayable.
Otherwise. No computer to my knowledge has HDMI input abilities, including the surface.
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My question now is.... why? Is it a hardware issue? Too me it makes no sense, I can't work out why they wouldn't make it possible.
Dane Reynolds said:
My question now is.... why? Is it a hardware issue? Too me it makes no sense, I can't work out why they wouldn't make it possible.
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Yes, it hardware. It like you cannot put 3.5mm microphone jack into 3.5mm headphone jack on many mp3 player and phone. It design to output port. Not input port. Except some device that combine output/input port into one.
Processors and graphics cards only ever have HDMI output. Never input. It would be an intensive task to record an HDMI input.
Now you could suggest that they rewire tye HDMI port directly to the screen, sadly the screen is not an HDMI screen on a laptop or tablet. Its usually LDVS or DSI, the former is more common. HDMI to LDVS adaptors exist but would add cost to the device and increase the amount of electronics you need to fit inside the shell of the laptop or tablet, your already space restricted in there.
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Actually, you can connect your Xbox's HDMI into the Surface Pro, if you have an HD PVR, or any similar HDMI Capture Card.
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Actually, you can connect your Xbox's HDMI into the Surface Pro, if you have an HD PVR, or any similar HDMI Capture Card.
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Already mentioned capture devices. The latency on them (particularly USB ones) is just terrible. If your using a pass through capture card or hdmi splitter to play Xbox on the TV then the latency doesn't matter, but trust me, trying to play on your computer screen via a capture device is so bad that you might as well not play in the first place.
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Already mentioned capture devices. The latency on them (particularly USB ones) is just terrible. If your using a pass through capture card or hdmi splitter to play Xbox on the TV then the latency doesn't matter, but trust me, trying to play on your computer screen via a capture device is so bad that you might as well not play in the first place.
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I can confirm that 100% as I use a HDMI capture card on my desktop PC and it has a 50ms latency which is terrible, but I use it to record my Black Ops 2 videos from the in-game Vault so it's not a problem to me as I don't use it to directly play on it. But if I have such a huge latency, imagine that with a USB capture card like the Hauppauge HD-PVR ! It'd just be unplayable.
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Already mentioned capture devices. The latency on them (particularly USB ones) is just terrible. If your using a pass through capture card or hdmi splitter to play Xbox on the TV then the latency doesn't matter, but trust me, trying to play on your computer screen via a capture device is so bad that you might as well not play in the first place.
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I have an HDMI Capture Card via USB, and I know they're not meant to play on a Computer Screen.
Why should you even do that (unless you're without a TV, of course)?
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I have an HDMI Capture Card via USB, and I know they're not meant to play on a Computer Screen.
Why should you even do that (unless you're without a TV, of course)?
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That is what was suggested, the OP asked can he play his xbox using the surface as a monitor. USB capture card would be the only way and ,as we have long established, has far too much latency
If only there was an Xbox emulator.
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If only there was an Xbox emulator.
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Try emulating a 3.5ghz triple core powerPC CPU on your 1.7ghz dual core surface pro and then come back and ask that question again
Hell, all those guys moaning about no backwards compatibility for the xbox one, there is a reason for no backwards compatibility. 360 uses PowerPC, one uses x86. Emulation will be needed. General rule, to emulate platform A on platform B, platform B must be 10 times more powerful than platform A. Its a general rule, but the xbox one does not meet that requirement yet is way more powerful than the surface is.
The xbox live indie games use XNA and .NET though. No backwards compatibility for them is an absolute joke. It would be relatively trivial for a corporation such as microsoft to have .NET running on the one (infact I would hazard a guess that it will be), why the hell dont they let the indige games carry on over???? But now I am getting off topic.
End conclusion, no Xbox > surface is really possible unless you are screen capturing on a surface pro which would still be an undesirable situation for playing games, only recording.
To be fair he might have meant the original Xbox, which at 500MHz single-core x86 is probably too computationally intensive for the Surface RT (beacuse of the need to emulate x86) but might be possible even so, and would be trivial for the Pro. However, Microsoft does not generally approve of such emulators.
Yeah, original Xbox could well draw on existing hardware but no one has had much success as of yet which is a shame.
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Yeah, original Xbox could well draw on existing hardware but no one has had much success as of yet which is a shame.
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Yeah that's what I meant. I have a Pro and currently run several emulators. I am aware of the 360 specs but was mistaken that this thread wasn't about Original Xbox.
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Original Xbox and pre elite 360s didn't have an HDMI out which is what was being discussed.
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I'm looking for something that will give me a TV Out function.
I travel a lot and I had thought about a netbook that I could hook up to a hotel TV but I already carry a rubbish work laptop so I don't really need to be lugging a netbook too.
Thats got me to thinking about phones with TV-Out.
Ideally I'd like something that I can playback movies, browse the web and maybe play some games (SNES, Genesis emus) via a hotel TV, it doesn't have to be HDMI in fact I'd probably rather have composite so I can connect it to the antiquated TV's the hotels I stay in seem to have!
Any suggestions?
here is a partial list:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=search&quick=1&mode=0&exp=tv out
I have seen confirmation that the Samsung Galaxy S can dump out component thru its 3.5mm headphone jack.
I think that would suit you perfectly.
Why don't you consider using an adaptor of some kind for your laptop since it almost certainly has a video out interface?
But if I had to choose a phone for TV-out, I'd probably pick the Galaxy S as well since I saw it's HDMI out demoed and it was quite nice.
Rhodium has TV out and works well
Hello guys, I love my Droid X but watched some videos of people hooking up to composite (much better than HDMI, not so limited). Anyone know how we can get this on the Droid X? I have a nice stereo in my car that plays movies and would love to see exactly what I see on my droids screen on my stereo. I repeat the INcredible does this!!!! Thanks
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hdmi+to+composite+adapter
personally, every tv or screen in my house has hdmi, and I use bluetooth in the car while watching movies on the droid x, so it works pretty good for me.
did you check the google search before you made that link? it looks like he wants the out for his car, all that google brings up is set top boxes that do converting. which isn't mobile and probably isn't very easy to incorporate into a car.
I think your SOL buddy, the only option is to go with the htc inc, while it doesn't do HD out, it will broadcast all of the screen all the time, as opposed to the evo which i hear just does video output (youtube video players) and the droidx that only does gallery output
someone wants this over hdmi?
Technically HDMI is better than comp, comp is video only, no audio. Why would you do that? Not only that, HDMI can support higher resolution than comp, above 1080, not that it matters being that the X can only play 720. Just saying, why would you purposely limit yourself? its dumb.
I was wondering the same thing. And I'd prefer comp because my house isn't filled with hdtv's so outputting hdmi isn't all that helpful to me. This feature actually plays a big part with why I may be choosing the Incredible over the Droid X but if i could do this on the X, I may be easily swayed.
I would prefer to find an hdmi to component adapter.
well and theres no HDMI to comp "adapater" all the HDMI to comp products you see are full on hardwire that has a chip that has to read the HDMI and reformat the single to comp. so a whole box needing it's own power and what not isn't very usable for a phone.
unforently it's not like svid to comp something like that the single doesn't need to be reformatted. The big deal hear is you would need to go digital to analog and there's no way of doing that without serious hardware.
unforently the hdmi out on the phone isn't like hdmi or dvi out on a computer (that can pass a analog signal as well as digital.
Anyone else seen this?
http://ars.samsung.com/customer/usa..._ID=307505&PROD_SUB_ID=0&PROD_ID=558&EMAIL_ID
Yep. The US variants of the Galaxy S do Micro USB to HDMI out. Unfortunately, there are no cables available (yet) in order to have that kind of functionality. Samsung is planning to release that one.
we sell a USB to DVI /VGA ADAPTER for about $79. http://www.encore-usa.com/us/sites/default/files/product_file_datasheet/ENMUV-2_Spec_EN_1.pdf
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we sell a USB to DVI /VGA ADAPTER for about $79. http://www.encore-usa.com/us/sites/default/files/product_file_datasheet/ENMUV-2_Spec_EN_1.pdf
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wow that's really cheap?!
The Samsung one is $49 bucks (US) I think. Just wait I'm sure there will be a Chinese knock-off soon enough for pennys on the dollar.
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Yep. The US variants of the Galaxy S do Micro USB to HDMI out. Unfortunately, there are no cables available (yet) in order to have that kind of functionality. Samsung is planning to release that one.
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So assuming this weren't back-ordered, it would work on the captivate to say... watch movies?
Someone has to try it and see how it works. The Composite on the Captivate (headphone jack) is mirroring of the entire device UI.
But some other devices that use HDMI only allow certain apps to output to it, like the built in Samsung movie player. I think this is for copyright reasons. I am not sure what copy protections are built in but HDCP would be needed to play back licenenced Hi-Def videos like Blueray format.
Your own videos / downloaded ones / ripped correctly bluerays, etc. should all play in Hi-Def okay. There are still unanswered questions, but it seems like this cable will allow movies to be played back w/o issue.
I am getting one as soon as a 3rd party one hits the streets as it will probably be cheaper.
I'm not quite sure what tv out is, but I was wondering how I can connect my phone to my tv and view through my tv any content on my android phone. I have a mytouch 4g slide. For example, could I view the internet on my TV through my phone? Any help is greatly and desperately appreciated.
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The MT4GS does video out through its headphone jack. The pinout is the same as the cables for 5th Gen iPods, the one I have is the "Composite Video/Stereo Audio Output Cable for Original 5th Gen Apple iPod Video - 6ft" from monoprice for $1.43 (don't post enough here to link). It works well enough - the image quality is obviously only what you can get out of composite, which isn't great by modern standards, but it's fine for playing SD video or the like. The normal screen stays active, and the content is mirrored to the TV when connected.
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The MT4GS does video out through its headphone jack. The pinout is the same as the cables for 5th Gen iPods, the one I have is the "Composite Video/Stereo Audio Output Cable for Original 5th Gen Apple iPod Video - 6ft" from monoprice for $1.43 (don't post enough here to link). It works well enough - the image quality is obviously only what you can get out of composite, which isn't great by modern standards, but it's fine for playing SD video or the like. The normal screen stays active, and the content is mirrored to the TV when connected.
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i'm pretty sure it was advertised as 1080p playback. is this the only way to use tv out? maybe i'm wrong but i thought i saw this comment somewhere, which is why i was confused because this phone has no mini hdmi out like the g2x
http://www.amazon.com/3-5mm-Audio-V...BSU4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1319380370&sr=8-8
Here you guys are I use the same thing to play video games and watch netflix.
Great graphics for an rca connection. Radio shack and best buy and 40 buks in stroe at least. I told em hell no lol.
Btw marco its a complete mirror of your phone. And when its flipped side ways it goes full screen or when an app is opened it goes full screen really cool!
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Here is the link to the original thread about this topic. The mt4gs records in 1080p, the tv out is not, nor have I ever heard the claim that our phone would out put at 1080p.
I have the iPod cable from Amazon. It works, quality is meh on a 1080p LCD, but it's good enough to share funny YouTube videos at a party or what have you.
It also works great with netflixs.
Bought a micro hdmi to my tablet today. The guy in the store gave me one when I said it was for my Transformer Pad.
The thing is that the picture I get on my tv looks cartoonish, like when you take a photo and put on a effect that looks like you painted it yourself.
Anyone know why it looks like ****?
Unfortunately, that is the quality we get. Both TF101 and TF300T look about the same over hdmi, maybe the 300 is slightly better. The only thing u can really do is to have a high quality cable, and make adjustments to your tv's color, contrast, and picture size. My guess as to why this is...it probly has something to do with using the micro hdmi connector instead of a full size connector...the small connector is the bottleneck, reducing the throughput and quality.
I don't know about pictures, I'll have to try some. I do know that my HD movies looks perfect on my 46" TV. I've never paid more than $5 for any HDMI cable, if you pay more than that you're probably getting ripped off or just paying to have someones name printed on it. HDMI is digital, 1's and 0's, there's really no difference in cables, the old style RCA cables were analog, and needed to be short length and high quality. You can google it if you don't believe it.
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My guess as to why this is...it probly has something to do with using the micro hdmi connector instead of a full size connector...the small connector is the bottleneck, reducing the throughput and quality.
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LOL! What BS! HDMI is a digital signal not analog. With digital there is either a signal or no no signal. The micro cable conforms to the same HDMI spec as the regular cable so there can be no quality loss.
The last time I connect my TF101 to my TV it looked fine. No cartoons. And I'm using some cheap cable from Amazon.
My tv picture looks awesome when connected through hdmi. Probably 10 times better than the display on the tablet due to full hd.
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LOL! What BS! HDMI is a digital signal not analog. With digital there is either a signal or no no signal. The micro cable conforms to the same HDMI spec as the regular cable so there can be no quality loss.
The last time I connect my TF101 to my TV it looked fine. No cartoons. And I'm using some cheap cable from Amazon.
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Wow dude...who pissed in your wheaties? I didn't say that this was the absolute truth. It was my guess...If i am wrong, then i am wrong...IT WAS A GUESS! Take that chip off of your shoulder and take a chill pill.
I know what he was talking about..the homescreen looks a bit cartoonish because of the colors, but it does not have this effect when viewing movies and other things.
It has this effect all the time, on the homescreen and watching movies and pictures.
I didn't want to order a cable so I bought a over priced one for about $20. (Yes it was expensive but I am lazy )
I think the cable i pretty good, even supportin 4k resulution, but what do I know
Should I return the cable sense te quality is really bad? My Lg KU990 Viewty from 2007 did a much better job when connected to a tv, movies looked great, so a device from 2012 should be better.
Well according to the guys above, it doesnt matter if the cable is a namebrand or not. I would have to disagree. Not all cables are made equal. Different manufacturers use different quality of materials which can lead to different results. Give it a shot and replace the cable. Doesn't hurt to try. I just cant see it being a tv problem. If it was, then why would my ps3 and xbox360 both connected by hdmi not have this problem? That leaves the cable and the connecting device left to look at.
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Well according to the guys above, it doesnt matter if the cable is a namebrand or not. I would have to disagree. Not all cables are made equal. Different manufacturers use different quality of materials which can lead to different results. Give it a shot and replace the cable. Doesn't hurt to try. I just cant see it being a tv problem. If it was, then why would my ps3 and xbox360 both connected by hdmi not have this problem? That leaves the cable and the connecting device left to look at.
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Yes, the picture quality is great from my 360. I will return the cable someday soon then.
There are setting available on the Pad once you have plugged HDMI in but I think they only control the screen ration.
The first thing I would check on your TV is if there are any custom enabled when using HDMI (Vibrant, or Game etc.). You may find that your TV is adding image processing which can result in garish colours or a very unbalanced Gamma curve.
The only time you would need to worry about picture quality from the cable itself is if you went for a freakishly long one, say 3M+. Then you'd noticed some signal degradation as the bit errors would increase significantly though this would more likely produce ghosting or image lag.
Above poster got the cable info correct.
A 3+M cable should use super leads, so if it doesn't work it's crap.
In other words there are two kinds of HDMI cables. The working kind and crap.
The working kind can be any price (from cheap to insanely expensive), but IF you're buying a really, really long cable you can start looking at name brands.
My cable is 2 m. Going to watch Burn Notice on another tv. Will see if it's better there.