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So, I am going to do a lot more research prior to rooting, but I had a couple of general questions that I was wondering about, before I begin the steps leading up to rooting.
1) I presume the easiest way for me to root my Thunderbolt is the Revolutionary Root? This will take be through rooting and installing the CW recovery that I need, correct?
2) Right after I root, If I want to install roms/kernels? than I can just get Rom Manager from the android market?
3) Once I install Rom Manager, can I just flash a rom that is compatible with my Thunderbolt? Can I just flash a kernel that is compatible with the Rom?
I suppose where I get a lil lost is the flashing compatibility part. What kernels work with what roms, what roms I can flash... I have read a number of articles, so I suppose what I'm asking is...
Will the process more or less be: Revolutionary Root, Install Rom Manager from market, flash a rom (just the most popular one). Is the Kernel flashing piece important? Do I need to flash a different kernel? Is it easy to tell in Rom Manager which kernel/rom I can use?
Yes use revolutionary to root and install custom recovery (cwr). You can use ROM manager to download custom roms if you want, only roms for your device will show up. Or you can download custom roms from forums, this is the method I prefer.
Just use kernel that comes with the Rom for the time being some developers include a custom kernel and others make modifications to the HTC kernel itself. Kernels are seperated in development section having to do with sense and aosp that is the first way to seperate them. Second would be leak the kernel was based on such as imo test 3.8 was based on newest leak so it works for just about if not all newest sense roms. When in doubt fire up a question in the Rom thread itself and ask what kernels those people are using, find a Rom like BAMF or thunderstick or synergy where the developers or support staff are very active.
Also you will need to flash a new radio right after rooting if you are still using froyo, I am using newest leak but different phone work differently. Once you install the radio VIA Hboot. Reboot phone and remove zip file from root of SD card now place your Rom image on SD card and reboot to recovery and install your new Rom.
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This is good info.. thanks.
Well, I am upgraded to Gingerbread as of VZW's last update and still unrooted and stock.
So, if I were to root (using revolutionary) and install Rom Manager... could I just install something like Cyanogenmod or BAMF right through Rom Manager?
What do you mean by kernel that comes with the Rom? The kernel that is listed to use with the Rom? Or do you mean if I flash BAMF or something popular, just leave whatever kernel I have as is?
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This is good info.. thanks.
Well, I am upgraded to Gingerbread as of VZW's last update and still unrooted and stock.
So, if I were to root (using revolutionary) and install Rom Manager... could I just install something like Cyanogenmod or BAMF right through Rom Manager?
What do you mean by kernel that comes with the Rom? The kernel that is listed to use with the Rom? Or do you mean if I flash BAMF or something popular, just leave whatever kernel I have as is?
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When you flash a rom it flashes the kernel too with whatever one the devs packed with it.
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Okay, clear enough.
So, for someone like myself, just use revolutionary root, install rom manager and play around a lil with flashing roms using rom manager for awhile. I understand that I can install roms from my SD card, but it sounds like at least initially installing roms right from rom manager would be the simplest. I can also not worry about installing a different kernel during this "honeymoon" phase. Just pick the latest version of whatever Rom I want and flash the rom?
After you root you need to install superuser so CWM can function. I have read that some people flash their CWM via hboot after s-off and then go right to recovery to flash the root gaining RUU, then enjoy your root.
Do not flash ROMs right from CWM reboot to recovery clear data/cache and under advanced davlik cache and then install Rom from install from SD and choose zip file and I always store mine in downloads since I download all my roms right to my phone and download md5 checker from market and always check the md5 if it does not match don't think its a mistake redownload and try again.
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Agreed, it is better to install the ROM through recovery instead of installing through ROM manager as sometimes it doesn't work right.
Don't forget to use thank you for all you great answers.
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hello and sorry for the same questions asked over the same issue...
its my first time and im afraid to brick my phone
anyway now im with custom rom and want to go back to stock to receive ota updates.
my phone is rooted and s-off i want to stay s-off with stock rom.
1. is it possible ?
2. will i need to wipe data before the flash?
3. backup needed ?
4. will i get ota updates with stock rom s-off?
5. the ruu is europe 1.47 do i need it to match to my software/radio/hboot?
my phone:
SAGA PVT SHIP S-off RL
HBOOT -0.98.0002
RADIO-3805.06.02.03_M
EMMC-boot
@yonigo870
Since you want to stay s-off and a stock rom then....
1) Yes if you don't want need OTA. No if you want ota
2) Yes
3) If you want to restore your apps/data yes, google SHOULD be okay with contacts/calendar
4) Dont be silly, really, DONT TRY STOCK THINGS ON ALTERED PHONES, thats common sense (at least it should be)
5) You will not use a RUU, you wil use a pre rooted stock rom from the development forum
However, if you want to get ota updates you will need to go s-on and use a RUU, I suggest just getting the latest RUU
My suggesttion, rather leave your phone as is and install a stock pre rooted rom, you can always install the latest stock rom when the OTA is released and its made into a prerooted rom.
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@yonigo870
Since you want to stay s-off and a stock rom then....
1) Yes if you don't want need OTA. No if you want ota
2) Yes
3) If you want to restore your apps/data yes, google SHOULD be okay with contacts/calendar
4) Dont be silly, really, DONT TRY STOCK THINGS ON ALTERED PHONES, thats common sense (at least it should be)
5) You will not use a RUU, you wil use a pre rooted stock rom from the development forum
However, if you want to get ota updates you will need to go s-on and use a RUU, I suggest just getting the latest RUU
My suggesttion, rather leave your phone as is and install a stock pre rooted rom, you can always install the latest stock rom when the OTA is released and its made into a prerooted rom.
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@foX2delta i agree with you
@yonigo870 flashing a ruu can actually force you into a bootloop if you flash the wrong RUU the best wasy to get to stock is to flash a pre-rooted stock ROM
heres both links to the RUU and pre-rooted stock ROMs
RUU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506
pre-rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183684
i hope i have helped
thanks
thanks for the help !
how do i flash pre rooted roms?
and witch one i need???
and the other thing is, if i want to flash one of the custom roms via rom manager how do i flash the updates ? will it be the same way? do i need to change anything else or i can just backup and flash rom?!
yonigo870 said:
thanks for the help !
how do i flash pre rooted roms?
and witch one i need???
and the other thing is, if i want to flash one of the custom roms via rom manager how do i flash the updates ? will it be the same way? do i need to change anything else or i can just backup and flash rom?!
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here is a few guides to help with that question i don't know anything about rom manager sorry i use 4ext touch recovery
Custom ROMS:
Custom roms can be found in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1146601 or head to the development section.
(Most of these ROMs are pre-rooted, which means that you don't need to root your phone after flashing one of the custom ROM.)
How To: Flash Custom ROMs using Recovery (Method 1)
(You can use your default recovery from Revolutionary tool but I recommend using 4EXTRecovery)
1. Copy your custom ROM "zip" file to your SD card (Root directory).
2. Turn off your phone.
3. Turn on your phone by holding the power button and the volume down button together.
4. Once you see the white screen, choose "Recovery"
5. Make a full wipe/format and clear all cache.
6. Choose "install from sdcard/zip file" and then choose your Custom ROM zip file from your SD card to flash your Custom ROM.
Optional: If you want to use 4EXTRecovery, just flash it like you are flashing your custom ROM(Step 6). Just do it before you flash your new ROM.
How To: Flash Custom ROMs using ROM Manager (Method 2)
(This method might be easier for flashing ROM updates or add-ons)
1. Go to ROM Manager (You can install this software from the Android Market.)
2. If you want to use 4EXTRecovery, please follow steps below, and if you're not using 4EXTRecovery, please skip to step 6)
3. Press your phone's option's button and choose Manual Flash Override.
4. Press OK and choose your phone model.
5. Choose ClockworkMod 3.x (After these steps, your ROM Manager won't ask you to flash new recovery again when flashing new a ROM)
6. Reboot into Recovery and make a full wipe/format and clear all cache then reboot.
7. Now, from your ROM Manager, choose Install ROM from SD Card.
Note: Flashing ROMs can be vary, some custom ROMs may require you to flash some of their own file first. Eg, The LBC Mod ROM requires you to flash "WIPE zip file" before flashing the ROM. Read their instructions carefully to know more.
NOTE: I am not responsible for any faulty or bricked devices after S-OFF or flashing new ROMs. Do it at your own risk.
How To: Flash a ROM in a "Perfect" Way (Method 3 - Recommended)
A great guide from vampire36 for people who encounter the following problems:
1. The ROM you flashed gets stuck on HTC screen (bootloop) while the same ROM works right for others
2. You get the same kernel and radio yet you find your cell to have more battery drain than others
3. Finally some strange force closes and restarts but works perfect for others
So this is basically one of the most perfect way to flash a custom ROM and is a way to help people who face such issues.
Please head to : http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=1257731 to see full instructions and discussions.
Blush91 said:
@foX2delta i agree with you
@yonigo870 flashing a ruu can actually force you into a bootloop if you flash the wrong RUU the best wasy to get to stock is to flash a pre-rooted stock ROM
heres both links to the RUU and pre-rooted stock ROMs
RUU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1002506
pre-rooted http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1183684
i hope i have helped
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You can enter a boot-loop but I've flashed ROMs too many times to remember (stock & MOD) and never truly boot-looped. You may soft-brick your phone however, but with remedy. Rooting phones & flashing ROMs isn't for the faint-hearted. My phone was dead for almost 48 hours (within 24 hours of purchase). That's how I joined XDA.
Scary. Turned out it wasn't hopeless. Within an hour of Temp Root, I had self-styled flashed CWM Recovery (haven't run into the gung-ho method I crafted yet, at least on these forums), proceeded to acquire Permanent Root afterwards and within the week had flashed 4 ROMs. Invented a few tricks myself .
Point is you have to get your hands dirty. That's why you bought the darn phone in the first place! Pull your gloves & get those hands dirty!
Saipro said:
You can enter a boot-loop but I've flashed ROMs too many times to remember (stock & MOD) and never truly boot-looped. You may soft-brick your phone however, but with remedy. Rooting phones & flashing ROMs isn't for the faint-hearted. My phone was dead for almost 48 hours (within 24 hours of purchase). That's how I joined XDA.
Scary. Turned out it wasn't hopeless. Within an hour of Temp Root, I had self-styled flashed CWM Recovery (haven't run into the gung-ho method I crafted yet, at least on these forums), proceeded to acquire Permanent Root and within the week had flashed 4 ROMs. Invented a few tricks myself .
Point is you have to get your hands dirty. That's why you bought the darn phone in the first place! Pull your gloves & get those hands dirty!
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yes i've flashed many roms also and have never encountered a boot-loop the only time i got a boot-loop was when i flashed the wrong RUU in the past 48 hours i've changed roms about 20 times
flashing pre rooted stock rom
in progress...
hope i wont fu*k my phone at the very first time im doing this
btw im doing that with rom manager
yonigo870 said:
in progress...
hope i wont fu*k my phone at the very first time im doing this
btw im doing that with rom manager
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Loooool don't worry that's what's xda is for were all here to help
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no wifi
flashed Saga_Europe_2.10.401.8_heb made by dmatik
and no wifi !!! how to fix it ?
the other thing is that i cant connect to market ...
and how do i restore titanium backup if i cant find the program on my apps ?
the phone updates himself ??? i see it updates programs from the market without me doing anything
* do i need to reboot the phone after flashing rom ??? and how ?
yonigo870 said:
flashed Saga_Europe_2.10.401.8_heb made by dmatik
and no wifi !!! how to fix it ?
the other thing is that i cant connect to market ...
and how do i restore titanium backup if i cant find the program on my apps ?
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I don't know much about titanium I use app extractor try this ROM http://db.tt/Wnl7ZrKa
App extractor restores your apps contacts wifi settings SMS from your nandroid(backup)
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many thanks for the help !!!!
do i need to reboot after flashing ?
Yeah reboot I hope you made a full wipe before flashing sorry should have told you earlier
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yeah i did full wipe
after flashing rom the phone made updates from the market by himself, and now im restoring via titanium and seems like everything is ok...
after that titanium asked me to reboot, and so i did.
again thanks a lot for the support and for the help !!!!!!!!
problem !!! the rosie utility stopped unexpectedly...
htc widgets (like clock and weather) not working after restoring with titanium!
maybe its since the backup was on sense 2.1 and now its 3.0
how can make the htc widgets work ???
reboot back into recovery and fix permissions i dont know if you can do that in titanium
solved !!!
all was needed is to clear data from the htc sense
To cut a long story short, it seems the HBOOT on my Sensation is the latest one and is not compatible with Revolutionary, doesn't even get upto the point where it's meant to generate the beta key, just says HBOOT isn't supported.
Short of jamming wires into my phone, it seems I can't get S-OFF on the current HBOOT, but I have got the official HTC Dev bootloader unlock working fine and my phone is currently rooted on the stock ICS ROM.
However I want to install CM9 on my phone. AFAIK, with the official HTC bootloader unlock my kernel and radio cannot be changed but everything else can.
So can I install CM9 successfully using CWM if I have the official bootloader unlock or will it only work with S-OFF? I guess the real question is will CM9 on the Sensation work with the default kernel, radio, and firmware?
Thanks!
NVM, finally found a good guide to flash custom ROMs and with custom kernels with S-ON if you are HTC bootloader unlocked, will use this for CM9 and see how it goes
did you find that after doing this it messed up your wifi, cuz near the end it says there's a possibility?
Been using it for a day and WiFi works perfectly.
The WiFi will only be a problem if the kernel doesn't flash, but in the case of CM9 it needs a custom kernel to even boot anyway, the Sense kernel won't work. So if CM9 boots it'll work
Also 4EXT has been updated since that thread was written and when you install the 4EXT recovery it now asks you if your device is S-ON, if you hit yes it'll turn the SmartFlash thing on automatically. What that does is flash the kernel separately before you exit the recovery to reboot back into Android and in my case it worked fine
Only catch is that you can only install ROMs for your current firmware. I have 3.32 so I can pretty much install any ICS ROM, but I can't install a GB ROM and I might not be able to install a Jellybean ROM, for example. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it
I had this too, and I found out that I could flash only ROMs, where kernel is ready made .img file inside the zip. To do this, I needed to install the ROM (it installed into /system, but the kernel couldn't be installed due to protection), reboot into fastboot, and flash the extracted kernel img with ADB from the PC (as ADB was only way to flash kernel).
If there was a custom installer where I could configure the kernel (set CPU speed etc)., that would mean that the kernel image is assembled during installation, and it is not readily available in ROM. In that case, I was f***ed .
Most ROMs have the standard boot.img file in the .zip though, and you can check it by just extracting the files and taking a look
The 4EXT process basically does the same as you did but automatically, it's just as much effort as flashing a ROM normally
I see one problem with that your are using cwm as the recovery and that simply will not work because you can't flash kernels because your s on but there's light at the end of the tunnel but you must be rooted to do this you Will need to install 4ext custom recovery why because it will allow you to flash kernels with smart flash enabled and you can't do that with cwm
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So I am new to htc and new to what to do, been on Samsung for years and htc is way different.
First, once I update firmware will it be safe to flash the roms in the android development section even if they are from July or August ?
Do the Roms include kernels or do I need to find one and flash it after I flash the rom along with gapps ? If so what kernels do you recommend and /or do you have a list of some of them ?
What is fastboot and how do I use it? I am updating the firmware through sd card method but also want to update the twrp and I heard that is done through fast boot. Does that require a computer or?
Thank you for taking the time to read my questions
thrgk said:
So I am new to htc and new to what to do, been on Samsung for years and htc is way different.
First, once I update firmware will it be safe to flash the roms in the android development section even if they are from July or August ?
Do the Roms include kernels or do I need to find one and flash it after I flash the rom along with gapps ? If so what kernels do you recommend and /or do you have a list of some of them ?
What is fastboot and how do I use it? I am updating the firmware through sd card method but also want to update the twrp and I heard that is done through fast boot. Does that require a computer or?
Thank you for taking the time to read my questions
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First off I assume you are s-off and unlocked via firewater or sunshine.
1) this is only anectodal but I ran ViperROM 1.8 (4.4.2 based) with the 4.4.3 firmware for a few weeks without issue.
2) all Roms come with a kernel. Some are stock, some are custom but they all come with one. ASSUMING you are s-off then the packaged kernel will be flashed along with the rom. If you're looking for a custom kernel make sure you find a Sense/GPE/AOSP kernel which matches your rom type (SENSE/GPE/AOSP) and flash it AFTER flashing the rom. Flashing a rom will overwrite whatever kernel you previosly had installed with the new rom's kernel. I am currently runing ViperROM 2.5 which is a Sense ROM with the EliteLunar kernel (sense version) with no issues.
3) fastboot is an interface between a computer and your phone. I always find it alarming when people ask this question. Learn and become familiar with fastboot BEFORE YOU FLASH ANY ROMs OR ZIP FILES IN RECOVERY. I'm not being rude, I assure you this is sound advice. Many fastboot tasks can be performed with apps like flashify or by a flashable zip file which many devs are kind enough to create. However, having fastboot set up and functional (that includes knowledge of how to use it) is irreplaceable if/when things go downhill.
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First off I assume you are s-off and unlocked via firewater or sunshine.
1) this is only anectodal but I ran ViperROM 1.8 (4.4.2 based) with the 4.4.3 firmware for a few weeks without issue.
2) all Roms come with a kernel. Some are stock, some are custom but they all come with one. ASSUMING you are s-off then the packaged kernel will be flashed along with the rom. If you're looking for a custom kernel make sure you find a Sense/GPE/AOSP kernel which matches your rom type (SENSE/GPE/AOSP) and flash it AFTER flashing the rom. Flashing a rom will overwrite whatever kernel you previosly had installed with the new rom's kernel. I am currently runing ViperROM 2.5 which is a Sense ROM with the EliteLunar kernel (sense version) with no issues.
3) fastboot is an interface between a computer and your phone. I always find it alarming when people ask this question. Learn and become familiar with fastboot BEFORE YOU FLASH ANY ROMs OR ZIP FILES IN RECOVERY. I'm not being rude, I assure you this is sound advice. Many fastboot tasks can be performed with apps like flashify or by a flashable zip file which many devs are kind enough to create. However, having fastboot set up and functional (that includes knowledge of how to use it) is irreplaceable if/when things go downhill.
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Thanks for all the info. So if I am on 4.4.3 and want to flash a 4.4.2 rom just flash the 4.4.2 firmware just to be safe before flashing the 4.4.2 rom?
Also where are the kernels located ? Are they carrier dependent as I didn't see any yet browsing but didn't look hard either.
So I can do flash boot through flashify and be ok? Now all roms and kernels are flashed through twrp tho right ?
EDIT: actually fastboot can flash rom and kernels so no real need for custom recovery other then for convenience?
Btw do you have a kernel recommendation for aosp, sense, ? I already saw your recommendation for sense above.
Thanks !!
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I have a feeling that it's simply not necessary to downgrade your firmware in order to run a 4.4.2 rom but you should find a more reputable source than myself. I'm just trying to answer these easy questions to save time for the guys who really know what they're doing. Once you do start flashing things, always make sure 1) they are for your device (and carrier, unless unified for all carriers) and 2) the md5 of the downloaded file matches that provided by the hosting website or the OP.
I'm not a fan of flashing utilities simply because I've heard of instances where they don't work correctly. For example, I keep hearing how the TWRP manager app flashes TWRP to the system partition on Verizon devices and sends the phone into a sort of recovery loop. I would suggest gaining knowledge about the fastboot flash command "fastboot flash <partition name> <filename.extension>" and how to enter and flash within RUU mode.
My experience is that ROMS and kernels are easiest flashed through a custom recovery especially when the developer packages it with an Aroma installer script.
A few Sense/GPE custom kernels exist for verizon. There's MassStashed and Checkm8 (no longer maintained?) for 4.4.2 roms. Also, for 4.4.3 roms I only know of the EliteLunar kernel which isn't on XDA although you can find a few links to it in the forums if you search. Last I knew, there weren't any AOSP kernels which work with verizon but that might not be true anymore. The general HTC One m8 forum may have some kernels which aren't represented in the verizon-specific forum. Just make sure and find out if they're compatible with verizon devices. I'm pretty happy with sense so I haven't wondered off to AOSP like I usually do.
so do you recommend to use flashify or no?
thrgk said:
so do you recommend to use flashify or no?
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Its the easiest way
thrgk said:
so do you recommend to use flashify or no?
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I'm not saying you shouldn't use flashify, it's awfully convenient. Just make sure you're using it for the convenience and not because you don't know how to accomplish the same tasks in recovery/fastboot.
Hi All
I succesfully upgraded my firmware and am running the newest Viper and it works great. After reading about multi-rom I got super excited as there was a program I used with a pervious androud (htc phne even i think) to switch between MIUI and a few other ROMS.
Anyways.. I get the "non-exec kernel error" inside of ROM manager as well as TWRP under multiROM ( i think when I attempt to flash another rom in a diff slot).
I've tried installing a few of the kernels through the multirom app and it always seems sucessful as well as just downloading the kernels and flash in TWRP without error.
Does anyone have any suggestions or any extra info I can provide to get this to work? I'd LOVE multiROM so I can try new things and keep my daily driver.
Thanks in advance friends
I have been playing with this also recently. As far as I can tell only the select few kernels work with multirom. The kernel has to be patched to work with multirom. I'm using lunar kernel(as my primary rom kernel) and everything works fine. You can't use any of the kernels from the international m8 that's on multirom thread. Those are not designed for Verizon m8. I made the mistake of trying to flash those also.
Only the primary ROM needs to be patch with exec. Make sure if your flashing a kernel to a secondary ROM do it in twrp under multi ROM advanced settings and choose the ROM you want to flash the kernel to. The twrp main screen is for your primary rom
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I can't get the multirom manager app to "see" the ROM I want to install....Where does one put (ie: folder placement) the zip file you want to install as your secondary?