So, I am going to do a lot more research prior to rooting, but I had a couple of general questions that I was wondering about, before I begin the steps leading up to rooting.
1) I presume the easiest way for me to root my Thunderbolt is the Revolutionary Root? This will take be through rooting and installing the CW recovery that I need, correct?
2) Right after I root, If I want to install roms/kernels? than I can just get Rom Manager from the android market?
3) Once I install Rom Manager, can I just flash a rom that is compatible with my Thunderbolt? Can I just flash a kernel that is compatible with the Rom?
I suppose where I get a lil lost is the flashing compatibility part. What kernels work with what roms, what roms I can flash... I have read a number of articles, so I suppose what I'm asking is...
Will the process more or less be: Revolutionary Root, Install Rom Manager from market, flash a rom (just the most popular one). Is the Kernel flashing piece important? Do I need to flash a different kernel? Is it easy to tell in Rom Manager which kernel/rom I can use?
Yes use revolutionary to root and install custom recovery (cwr). You can use ROM manager to download custom roms if you want, only roms for your device will show up. Or you can download custom roms from forums, this is the method I prefer.
Just use kernel that comes with the Rom for the time being some developers include a custom kernel and others make modifications to the HTC kernel itself. Kernels are seperated in development section having to do with sense and aosp that is the first way to seperate them. Second would be leak the kernel was based on such as imo test 3.8 was based on newest leak so it works for just about if not all newest sense roms. When in doubt fire up a question in the Rom thread itself and ask what kernels those people are using, find a Rom like BAMF or thunderstick or synergy where the developers or support staff are very active.
Also you will need to flash a new radio right after rooting if you are still using froyo, I am using newest leak but different phone work differently. Once you install the radio VIA Hboot. Reboot phone and remove zip file from root of SD card now place your Rom image on SD card and reboot to recovery and install your new Rom.
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This is good info.. thanks.
Well, I am upgraded to Gingerbread as of VZW's last update and still unrooted and stock.
So, if I were to root (using revolutionary) and install Rom Manager... could I just install something like Cyanogenmod or BAMF right through Rom Manager?
What do you mean by kernel that comes with the Rom? The kernel that is listed to use with the Rom? Or do you mean if I flash BAMF or something popular, just leave whatever kernel I have as is?
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This is good info.. thanks.
Well, I am upgraded to Gingerbread as of VZW's last update and still unrooted and stock.
So, if I were to root (using revolutionary) and install Rom Manager... could I just install something like Cyanogenmod or BAMF right through Rom Manager?
What do you mean by kernel that comes with the Rom? The kernel that is listed to use with the Rom? Or do you mean if I flash BAMF or something popular, just leave whatever kernel I have as is?
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When you flash a rom it flashes the kernel too with whatever one the devs packed with it.
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Okay, clear enough.
So, for someone like myself, just use revolutionary root, install rom manager and play around a lil with flashing roms using rom manager for awhile. I understand that I can install roms from my SD card, but it sounds like at least initially installing roms right from rom manager would be the simplest. I can also not worry about installing a different kernel during this "honeymoon" phase. Just pick the latest version of whatever Rom I want and flash the rom?
After you root you need to install superuser so CWM can function. I have read that some people flash their CWM via hboot after s-off and then go right to recovery to flash the root gaining RUU, then enjoy your root.
Do not flash ROMs right from CWM reboot to recovery clear data/cache and under advanced davlik cache and then install Rom from install from SD and choose zip file and I always store mine in downloads since I download all my roms right to my phone and download md5 checker from market and always check the md5 if it does not match don't think its a mistake redownload and try again.
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Agreed, it is better to install the ROM through recovery instead of installing through ROM manager as sometimes it doesn't work right.
Don't forget to use thank you for all you great answers.
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I know a while back when i installed cm7 on my vibrant i had to do a lot of steps with clrad and flashing kernels one at a time... if i install with "rom manager" do i need to do any other step? does it change the kernel and everything for me already???
All ROMs have Kernels, otherwise they wouldn't work. If you want CM7 you can flash the latest Nightly using Rom Manager and aside from selecting to flash the gapps package too, there's no need to flash anything else.
Custom Kernels can be flashed from Recovery after the fact if you feel the need to try them.
So ive alpharev'd my DS. Just wondering if anyone can help me with what to do next. Ive never normally had a problem before (rooted/goldcarded/custom ROM/stock ROM the HTC Hero/Desire and Desire HD before with no problems) but i cant seem to figure out where to go next with the DS. Im after installing a stock ROM woth no bloatware from any carriers.
Do i goldcard and then go for it or is there something else? I dont really want to just go for it and brick my phone.
Cheers all,
Si
Rather than instal a stock rom, why not instal a custom rom that's based on a the stock rom like LBC MOD?
this thread discusses the benefits of a custom over stock http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1164418
All you'll need is clock work mod recovery which you may have already installed as post of the akpharevx process
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Its not that i dont see the benefits of a custom ROM, its just this one is going to be my mrs' phone and im pretty sure there's no way she'll ever need/use anything that a custom ROM has to offer. Which one would you recommend for someone in her shoes? Would need one that didnt overwhelm her with random stuff, in other words one thats more of a user experience than one thats good for dev's / tinkerers? Also, in the thread you posted above, it says you cant install OTA updates - not a bad thing but if i update a custom ROM will the phone have to be reset every time?
Cheers
Si
Ah, I see, although would still recommend LBC rom, it's stable & solid, fast, pretty, bug free and basically just improved stock.
In fact when my wife's contact is up at the end off this month, she's getting a DS and I'll be putting it on that.
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Awesome thanks for that Is there anything else id need to do? Or is it literally just download LBC and go for it? o i need to get a radio or is it complete with one? (ive already done the cwm btw).
Si
chockyT said:
Awesome thanks for that Is there anything else id need to do? Or is it literally just download LBC and go for it? o i need to get a radio or is it complete with one? (ive already done the cwm btw).
Si
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I'm not sure if you're root yet? if you're not, then run ginger break v1.2.
I'd ensure that at this point after getting root that you take a full Nadndroid backup of your device using CWM recovery.
Then I'd replace your CWM recovery with the better EXT4 recovery, which is built on the same code base, but easier to use and has many more options. To do this simply download the ZIP file onto your SD card boot into recovery and select flash ZIP from SD.
Now for flashing the ROM.
I'd then look at the LBC ROM thread (although there is a lot of it, I'd suggest reading the entire thing). most of the information is in #1 and detailed guides are on LBC MOD site.
You;ll need to download from LBC MOD website both the ROM Itself v0.5.2 and the pre-WIPE ALL script, putting them both onto your SD card.
Then boot into recovery and first run the WIPE script from LBC which will create all ext4 partitions for you and WIPE ALL OF YOUR DATA in preparation for the clean install.
Lastly run the ROM ZIP which will eventaully boot a clean device.
You shouldn't need to flash a radio just yet (you can see from my signature which one I run)....everything should just work. Although there are RADIO install instructions and the actual downloads available on the LBC website.
I hear some people use it some say it doesent work. Does it work? Is it worth installing? Just want to know if its worth my time or not lol
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The problem with ROM manager and the G2x is that the proper method of installing the recovery is is not used. If you install recovery from ROM manager it does install a fake recovery that is basically a use-once recovery. The proper method to install the recovery on the G2x is to use NVFLASH to low level flash it. Once you install the recovery in this method the device is almost unbrickable.
Many functions in ROM manager do not work with the NVFLASH installed recovery so this kinda renders ROM manager useless. I think the only function in ROM Manager that has some merit is the fix permissions, but you can run the same thing faster from CWM recovery that is installed through NVFLASH.
A side benefit to using NVFLASH is that you do not have to root your device to install it since it is a much lower level than the OS. You can install recovery, backup the stock OS, then flash a custom ROM. If you want to go back to stock just restore the backup and use the NVFLASH program to install the stock recovery and you are back to stock for repairs or whatever.
Link to NVFlash: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1056847
I've installed recovery with nvflash but and works great but just wondering cause roms will come with ROM manager installed and I'm just wondering if I'm missing anything I guess by not letting it install its "fake" recovery or if it will mess up my nvflash version?
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I have never tried allowing ROM Manager to install the fake recovery but I do not think that it will be harmful to the NVFLASH recovery.
I believe this because many people use ROM Manager without knowing and post here that they bricked their devices and the stock recovery is always reachable. Also I bought my G2x from craigslist from someone that used ROM Manager and "bricked" the phone. I was able to fix it using the NVFLASH to flash CWM and install CM7.
Some roms (like Bionix) come with Rom Manager because the user can track OTA updates of the Rom they're using, so if the dev releases a new version, the user will get a notification that an update is available for download, if the dev set it up right.
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Hello, recently i've just rooted my htc one s, s4. I stalled for a bit and had the 4.0.4 update already, so currently I have root access with the stock firmware. I'm looking through the rom list and the viper One s room caught my eye. So my question is, are there any prerequisite requirements before i flash this rom. Sorry for such a ridiculous question, but i havn't flashed a rom since the G1 and I remember having to flash certain kernels for certain roms. I still haven't messed with the kernel yet so that's stock too.
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My One S is s4 t-mobile, TWRP recovery, obtained root access with the All in One Toolkit v3.0 by hasoon2000. firmware is stock update 4.0.4 and everything else is just stock. so all i did was root
Just follow the instructions in the Viper Thread.
Since you have it rooted (and I assume a working recovery) you should already have all tools needed (fastboot etc).
On the Working Recovery, I would recommend installing TWRP. Best recovery atm for rom flashing. Get it thru the Goo Manager App on PlayStore. Just open Goo Manager then open Menu and tap on Install OpenScript Recovery.
Read OP pages carefully and scan the threads of the rom you want to flash. Depending on your hboot version, you may have to fastboot boot.img right after flashing rom. If at or above .13. Or, get Flash Image GUI from PlayStore and it will do it for you.
On CM roms there are some other quirks with radio etc, so some pre-study would be advised as well as nandroiding and backing up sdcard first. Put both backups on PC for extra safety.
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On the Working Recovery, I would recommend installing TWRP. Best recovery atm for rom flashing. Get it thru the Goo Manager App on PlayStore. Just open Goo Manager then open Menu and tap on Install OpenScript Recovery.
Read OP pages carefully and scan the threads of the rom you want to flash. Depending on your hboot version, you may have to fastboot boot.img right after flashing rom. If at or above .13. Or, get Flash Image GUI from PlayStore and it will do it for you.
On CM roms there are some other quirks with radio etc, so some pre-study would be advised as well as nandroiding and backing up sdcard first. Put both backups on PC for extra safety.
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Thanks! i went ahead and flashed viper rom and after reading a bit i noticed that i had hboot .14 so it broke my wifi . I'm still currently searching info and came across that i need linux to downgrade, which i don't have . do you know any other method? or roms beside trickdroid 7 that support the hboot version and allow wifi?
On .14 the items I mentioned will apply on all roms
Not sure on wifi, i use mostly cm roms atm
Im on Hboot .14, and wifi works fine for me on viperS
there is a wifi partition zip floating around for wifi issues. didn't pay much attn to it as i have no issues--maybe a search, or someone will post it
So I am new to htc and new to what to do, been on Samsung for years and htc is way different.
First, once I update firmware will it be safe to flash the roms in the android development section even if they are from July or August ?
Do the Roms include kernels or do I need to find one and flash it after I flash the rom along with gapps ? If so what kernels do you recommend and /or do you have a list of some of them ?
What is fastboot and how do I use it? I am updating the firmware through sd card method but also want to update the twrp and I heard that is done through fast boot. Does that require a computer or?
Thank you for taking the time to read my questions
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So I am new to htc and new to what to do, been on Samsung for years and htc is way different.
First, once I update firmware will it be safe to flash the roms in the android development section even if they are from July or August ?
Do the Roms include kernels or do I need to find one and flash it after I flash the rom along with gapps ? If so what kernels do you recommend and /or do you have a list of some of them ?
What is fastboot and how do I use it? I am updating the firmware through sd card method but also want to update the twrp and I heard that is done through fast boot. Does that require a computer or?
Thank you for taking the time to read my questions
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First off I assume you are s-off and unlocked via firewater or sunshine.
1) this is only anectodal but I ran ViperROM 1.8 (4.4.2 based) with the 4.4.3 firmware for a few weeks without issue.
2) all Roms come with a kernel. Some are stock, some are custom but they all come with one. ASSUMING you are s-off then the packaged kernel will be flashed along with the rom. If you're looking for a custom kernel make sure you find a Sense/GPE/AOSP kernel which matches your rom type (SENSE/GPE/AOSP) and flash it AFTER flashing the rom. Flashing a rom will overwrite whatever kernel you previosly had installed with the new rom's kernel. I am currently runing ViperROM 2.5 which is a Sense ROM with the EliteLunar kernel (sense version) with no issues.
3) fastboot is an interface between a computer and your phone. I always find it alarming when people ask this question. Learn and become familiar with fastboot BEFORE YOU FLASH ANY ROMs OR ZIP FILES IN RECOVERY. I'm not being rude, I assure you this is sound advice. Many fastboot tasks can be performed with apps like flashify or by a flashable zip file which many devs are kind enough to create. However, having fastboot set up and functional (that includes knowledge of how to use it) is irreplaceable if/when things go downhill.
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First off I assume you are s-off and unlocked via firewater or sunshine.
1) this is only anectodal but I ran ViperROM 1.8 (4.4.2 based) with the 4.4.3 firmware for a few weeks without issue.
2) all Roms come with a kernel. Some are stock, some are custom but they all come with one. ASSUMING you are s-off then the packaged kernel will be flashed along with the rom. If you're looking for a custom kernel make sure you find a Sense/GPE/AOSP kernel which matches your rom type (SENSE/GPE/AOSP) and flash it AFTER flashing the rom. Flashing a rom will overwrite whatever kernel you previosly had installed with the new rom's kernel. I am currently runing ViperROM 2.5 which is a Sense ROM with the EliteLunar kernel (sense version) with no issues.
3) fastboot is an interface between a computer and your phone. I always find it alarming when people ask this question. Learn and become familiar with fastboot BEFORE YOU FLASH ANY ROMs OR ZIP FILES IN RECOVERY. I'm not being rude, I assure you this is sound advice. Many fastboot tasks can be performed with apps like flashify or by a flashable zip file which many devs are kind enough to create. However, having fastboot set up and functional (that includes knowledge of how to use it) is irreplaceable if/when things go downhill.
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Thanks for all the info. So if I am on 4.4.3 and want to flash a 4.4.2 rom just flash the 4.4.2 firmware just to be safe before flashing the 4.4.2 rom?
Also where are the kernels located ? Are they carrier dependent as I didn't see any yet browsing but didn't look hard either.
So I can do flash boot through flashify and be ok? Now all roms and kernels are flashed through twrp tho right ?
EDIT: actually fastboot can flash rom and kernels so no real need for custom recovery other then for convenience?
Btw do you have a kernel recommendation for aosp, sense, ? I already saw your recommendation for sense above.
Thanks !!
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I have a feeling that it's simply not necessary to downgrade your firmware in order to run a 4.4.2 rom but you should find a more reputable source than myself. I'm just trying to answer these easy questions to save time for the guys who really know what they're doing. Once you do start flashing things, always make sure 1) they are for your device (and carrier, unless unified for all carriers) and 2) the md5 of the downloaded file matches that provided by the hosting website or the OP.
I'm not a fan of flashing utilities simply because I've heard of instances where they don't work correctly. For example, I keep hearing how the TWRP manager app flashes TWRP to the system partition on Verizon devices and sends the phone into a sort of recovery loop. I would suggest gaining knowledge about the fastboot flash command "fastboot flash <partition name> <filename.extension>" and how to enter and flash within RUU mode.
My experience is that ROMS and kernels are easiest flashed through a custom recovery especially when the developer packages it with an Aroma installer script.
A few Sense/GPE custom kernels exist for verizon. There's MassStashed and Checkm8 (no longer maintained?) for 4.4.2 roms. Also, for 4.4.3 roms I only know of the EliteLunar kernel which isn't on XDA although you can find a few links to it in the forums if you search. Last I knew, there weren't any AOSP kernels which work with verizon but that might not be true anymore. The general HTC One m8 forum may have some kernels which aren't represented in the verizon-specific forum. Just make sure and find out if they're compatible with verizon devices. I'm pretty happy with sense so I haven't wondered off to AOSP like I usually do.
so do you recommend to use flashify or no?
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so do you recommend to use flashify or no?
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Its the easiest way
thrgk said:
so do you recommend to use flashify or no?
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I'm not saying you shouldn't use flashify, it's awfully convenient. Just make sure you're using it for the convenience and not because you don't know how to accomplish the same tasks in recovery/fastboot.