Korean site Samsung Mobile is unboxing the brand new LTE Advance version of the Galaxy SIV (SHV-E330S), that packs the first world Snapdragon 800 chipset to hit retail stores (later this week). I do not hold copyright over the content, hopefully it's okay to post their pictures and upcoming info. Nice color versions BTW!
http://blog.naver.com/m_style_dj/70170354737?viewType=pc
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Galaxy S4 Octa-core vs. S4-Advance benchmarks
I see it's coming out in 32gb..Samsung is getting greedy and these iterations will drive their revenues down in a year. You can't be serious, after an unfinished s4,
Coming out with active then lte a then zoom, and none of these have the octa-core which just proves that the chip was a failure
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skivnit said:
I see it's coming out in 32gb..Samsung is getting greedy and these iterations will drive their revenues down in a year. You can't be serious, after an unfinished s4,
Coming out with active then lte a then zoom, and none of these have the octa-core which just proves that the chip was a failure
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maybe samsung self destruction mode : on.
i cant stand the way samsung launch new product. samsung timing is very bad
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kancut_bau said:
maybe samsung self destruction mode : on.
i cant stand the way samsung launch new product. samsung timing is very bad
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Theoretically it's the same old S4 sporting yet another hardware pack, suspicions of the Octa-troubles and/or Qualcomm's better LTE energy management are probably true.
If this goes international which i have a feeling it just might with 32Gb for the same price i paid for my original S4, I'll be mighty pissed off tbh.
I've noticed recently the price of the S4 has skydived in some places to well under £500.
Snapdragon800 in the S4 LTE-A and other upcoming flagships is insane!
http://blog.gsmarena.com/alleged-sony-xperia-z-ultra-antutu-benchmark-surfaces/
I'm quite pissed off now.
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I'm quite pissed off now.
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Me too buddy,
Its really rude what samsung is doing !
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Ppl. shouldn't be too pissed, just accept that things got sped up lately. Last September Note II broke benchmark records then it was bested in mere weeks by the S4 Pro SoC, then SD600 put that into the past via HTC One in March, then then the Octa-core shattered records in April, and now that the SD800 is out, Samsung cannot NOT put that into it's LTE-A S4 refreshment. I guess it'd be easier to swallow if it only got an updated Octa-core, but there is no such a thing after the Exynos mess. So you need to swallow this one, and then the LTE-A buyers when Note III breaks their records, then Tegra 4 comes out on top, then say hello to Ativ Q and Core i5 Haswell powered Android. That's how things go today, and I hope this eases your (understandable) pain.
I want one... Where can I order it? I was going to get octa one but with all the problem, going for this one. But I can't find a preorder website for it.
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IIIPowerIII said:
I want one... Where can I order it? I was going to get octa one but with all the problem, going for this one. But I can't find a preorder website for it.
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For now, this is an exclusive to the Korean carrier that launches the LTE-A network, and it is not yet available.
IIIPowerIII said:
I want one... Where can I order it? I was going to get octa one but with all the problem, going for this one. But I can't find a preorder website for it.
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Considering the fact it is designed for the Korean market, it will probably have some funky bands and won't be compatible with most other markets.
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BoneXDA said:
Ppl. shouldn't be too pissed, just accept that things got sped up lately.
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Exactly. The same discussion took place on the One forum when the Butterfly S was announced with better specs. A "flagship" doesn't come with any guarantees of the duration of its status. And "newer" happens all the time; the auto industry is a good example. How did people that bought a 2012 Range Rover late in the year feel when a completely redesigned version was launched a couple of months later?
As for LTE-A, S-800, Octa and the like it comes down to connectivity. Qualcomm makes 90% of the radios in mobile devices including a lot of previous Exynos-equipped Samsung devices. There are 40 LTE bands globally and current Qualcomm radios max out at 6. Using a Qualcomm SoC with a Qualcomm radio makes sense with the sudden importance of LTE. It’s actually kind of cool that Samsung Corporate doesn’t force Samsung Electronics to use Samsung Semiconductor products and instead pick what best accomplishes the mission. As for S-800 in the SGS4 LTE-A perhaps it's tied to compatibility with the new LTE-A radio. The SGS4 (or One, or XZ, or OG) don't need a S-800 chip to perform well. Any lag or s/w issues with the standard i9500/05 aren't h/w related as their benchmarks are superior to other devices that aren't having those issues. And battery life is unknown but it's certainly going to consume more energy than S-600. And Samsung probably spent about $500+MM on R&D for big.LITTLE. So if 1/3 of the 60MM SGS4's sold this year are Octa that equals $25 per phone sold which based on a BOM cost of $30 would have been a complete waste of time. They aren't that stupid and I personally believe you'll see Octa use ramp-up once Qualcomm releases the RF-360 40-band LTE radio this fall. That radio brings to LTE the compatibility that currently exists for GSM bands. The N3 could be the first device using RF-360 based on its fall launch schedule and if it is I’d bet anyone here the N3 will be Octa. Maybe not the same version of Octa as in the SGS4 but Octa nonetheless. 17 companies have licensed big.LITTLE from ARM and 7 chips are to be released this year. So big.LITTLE/Octa isn't going away; in fact it's in its infancy.
As for the gazillion "Galaxy's" Samsung's producing that's smart. Each is aimed at a pretty defined niche and allows the expanded portfolio to appeal to more people increasing sales prospects. I think the mission of the SGS4 Active against the SGS4 is a lot more defined than the Butterfly S against the One with the latter two being competing high-end phones aimed at exactly the same market.
All just my opinion of course.
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They aren't that stupid and I personally believe you'll see Octa use ramp-up once Qualcomm releases the RF-360 40-band LTE radio this fall. That radio brings to LTE the compatibility that currently exists for GSM bands. The N3 could be the first device using RF-360 based on its fall launch schedule and if it is I’d bet anyone here the N3 will be Octa.
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You are incorrect. RF-360 from Qualcomm is an RF front end... not a baseband radio.
BarryH_GEG said:
Exactly. The same discussion took place on the One forum when the Butterfly S was announced with better specs. A "flagship" doesn't come with any guarantees of the duration of its status. And "newer" happens all the time; the auto industry is a good example. How did people that bought a 2012 Range Rover late in the year feel when a completely redesigned version was launched a couple of months later?
As for LTE-A, S-800, Octa and the like it comes down to connectivity. Qualcomm makes 90% of the radios in mobile devices including a lot of previous Exynos-equipped Samsung devices. There are 40 LTE bands globally and current Qualcomm radios max out at 6. Using a Qualcomm SoC with a Qualcomm radio makes sense with the sudden importance of LTE. It’s actually kind of cool that Samsung Corporate doesn’t force Samsung Electronics to use Samsung Semiconductor products and instead pick what best accomplishes the mission. As for S-800 in the SGS4 LTE-A perhaps it's tied to compatibility with the new LTE-A radio. The SGS4 (or One, or XZ, or OG) don't need a S-800 chip to perform well. Any lag or s/w issues with the standard i9500/05 aren't h/w related as their benchmarks are superior to other devices that aren't having those issues. And battery life is unknown but it's certainly going to consume more energy than S-600. And Samsung probably spent about $500+MM on R&D for big.LITTLE. So if 1/3 of the 60MM SGS4's sold this year are Octa that equals $25 per phone sold which based on a BOM cost of $30 would have been a complete waste of time. They aren't that stupid and I personally believe you'll see Octa use ramp-up once Qualcomm releases the RF-360 40-band LTE radio this fall. That radio brings to LTE the compatibility that currently exists for GSM bands. The N3 could be the first device using RF-360 based on its fall launch schedule and if it is I’d bet anyone here the N3 will be Octa. Maybe not the same version of Octa as in the SGS4 but Octa nonetheless. 17 companies have licensed big.LITTLE from ARM and 7 chips are to be released this year. So big.LITTLE/Octa isn't going away; in fact it's in its infancy.
As for the gazillion "Galaxy's" Samsung's producing that's smart. Each is aimed at a pretty defined niche and allows the expanded portfolio to appeal to more people increasing sales prospects. I think the mission of the SGS4 Active against the SGS4 is a lot more defined than the Butterfly S against the One with the latter two being competing high-end phones aimed at exactly the same market.
All just my opinion of course.
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On average (non-gaming) usage I can see the SD800's newer build being easier on the battery than the SD600, but we'll see. What is your prediction for the Note III's Octa-based GPU? Surely it has to go against the Adreno 330 so it must be something strong.
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On average (non-gaming) usage I can see the SD800's newer build being easier on the battery than the SD600, but we'll see. What is your prediction for the Note III's Octa-based GPU? Surely it has to go against the Adreno 330 so it must be something strong.
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I too wonder if the s800 will sip on the battery more lightly with the beefed up GPU. The adreno330 can supposedly handle 4k resolution so 1080p oughta be a cakewalk and allow it to run on a lower stepping and voltage. Just a theory. I also hope the note3 is full rgb also. Pentile looks fine in 1080p but I want all my subpixels dammit.
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You are incorrect. RF-360 from Qualcomm is an RF front end... not a baseband radio.
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I get ***** slapped every time I bring it up. This is the problem it solves and the only reason I mention it.
SAN DIEGO – February 21, 2013 – Qualcomm Incorporated (NASDAQ: QCOM) today announced that its wholly-owned subsidiary, Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., introduced the Qualcomm RF360 Front End Solution, a comprehensive, system-level solution that addresses cellular radio frequency band fragmentation and enables for the first time a single, global 4G LTE design for mobile devices.http://www.qualcomm.com/media/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next
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On average (non-gaming) usage I can see the SD800's newer build being easier on the battery than the SD600, but we'll see. What is your prediction for the Note III's Octa-based GPU? Surely it has to go against the Adreno 330 so it must be something strong.
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My WAG is they go back to Mali and use a T-6XX.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6136/arm-announces-8core-2nd-gen-malit600-gpus
Samobile who's right less than half the time thinks it'll be a Mali 450.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/01/rumor-galaxy-note-iii-to-have-8-core-cpu-and-8-core-gpu/
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I get ***** slapped every time I bring it up. This is the problem it solves and the only reason I mention it.
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RF-360 won't be offered with non-Qualcomm modems.
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Samobile who's right less than half the time thinks it'll be a Mali 450.
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Where would such a GPU rank compared to the Adreno 330?
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There will be two variants of Galaxy S4.
I9500 with Exynos 5 Octa 5410 at 1.6Ghz and I9505 with Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 at 1.9Ghz. Read more here
Which version is best for you ? Have a read this post by AndreiLux regarding 8 core CPU
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191850
News :fingers-crossed:
Telstra is taking details from customers who are eager for the S4 via a web form, pricing and availability will be confirmed closer to launch.
Vodafone users can register your interest in the new Galaxy phone online, with pricing to be determined at a later date.
Optus users can register for "the latest updates on pricing and availability for the Samsung Galaxy S4" from here.
I will do my best to keep updating this thread for all Australian users for help & tips for rooting etc..
Guides
I9505 Rooting -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2219803
I9500 Rooting -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292615
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But the question is, are we getting the exynos or s600? I think it should be safe to assume we'll get this in 4g anyway...
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Telstra and Optus received the S600 soc version for testing.
Release is 30th April on all three carriers from what ive heard so far.
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Crazy CS said:
Telstra and Optus received the S600 soc version for testing.
Release is 30th April on all three carriers from what ive heard so far.
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Very disappointing..not that there's anything wrong with the s600, bit was thinking the octa might have awesome battery life....I'll get out from Kogan anyway, but assume it'll be the s600 too..
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archheretic said:
Very disappointing..not that there's anything wrong with the s600, bit was thinking the octa might have awesome battery life....I'll get out from Kogan anyway, but assume it'll be the s600 too..
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Im actually happy about this. Because we'll have better support with AOSP based ROMs... And I don't think there will be a noticable difference between those two battery wise and performance unless you did a benchmark. But when it comes to real worl performance apps arent even using benifit of a quad core cpu at the moment. So octa core just an over kill.. If you gonna get it from Kogan im pretty sure that they will sell 3G only international version as well..
What im wishing for not to have a whole different device for Australia like S2 4G model from telstra with no developer support and lack of updates..
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kamalmawa said:
Im actually happy about this. Because we'll have better support with AOSP based ROMs... And I don't think there will be a noticable difference between those two battery wise and performance unless you did a benchmark. But when it comes to real worl performance apps arent even using benifit of a quad core cpu at the moment. So octa core just an over kill.. If you gonna get it from Kogan im pretty sure that they will sell 3G only international version as well..
What im wishing for not to have a whole different device for Australia like S2 4G model from telstra with no developer support and lack of updates..
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Yeah there is that side to it as well. I'd really think that we should be able to get the 4g version from Kogan, they have both versions of the s3. They tend to be pretty cheap, and I don't like carrier locked phones and contracts...
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Im ordering mine from the UK upon release.
http://www.handtec.co.uk/samsung-galaxy-s4.html
Sources ive been reading suggest Australia isnt going to be getting them in the first 5 countries, so expect longer than 30th April delays previously stated above. However i could be wrong.
Why wait for them to appear in local stores, when you can order online.... Its cheaper overseas and you will get one far quicker. They also have far less bloatware on them from the UK than the local Optus, Telstra or Vodafone stores... (not that bloatware is much of an issue once you've got it rooted, but there will be a week or 2 without root access where this will be annoying lol)
Just a thought.
Like usual, I'll be getting the international version - cheaper, quicker, and know the exact version. It alone usually has enough bloat without the carrier stuff
Thanks for info, i registered my interest with Telstra.
Sunny
It's a bit sad, contacting Optus via twitter to query upgrading to the S4.
Find out that it will cost more to upgrade early than to buy the phone outright..
It's not like made of money or anything..
Seriously hate mobile contracts that last 24 months..
archheretic said:
Very disappointing..not that there's anything wrong with the s600, bit was thinking the octa might have awesome battery life....I'll get out from Kogan anyway, but assume it'll be the s600 too..
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Geez, be careful if you get one from Kogan. Apart from ****ty customer service, ALL of the Samsungs (and we assume other brands too) are international models which means you have to trust Kogan to handle the warranty as Samsung Australia will not touch them under any circumstances.
I have had this discussion at length with the Management of Samsung and the ACCC and while Kogan aren't necessarily doing anything wrong (unless you could grey/parallel importing), you could be up **** creek if it breaks.
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Had my SGS3 Motherboard replaced today and was chatting to one of the Senior Telstra staff for a while about the SGS4.
For what it's worth, the rumor (and I stress ONLY a rumor) is that we'll be getting a quad-core SGS4, not the octa-core.
Given that we got the quad core SGS3 and the US got the dual core, I can't see it myself.
The other possibility was a quad-core 3G but an octa-core 4G.
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i'll wait till someone roots it and ports CM to it before i get this phone.
Just order it from else where
. My mate has 4 on order from his importer... Will be the Octa core with 4G he told me.. I bagged one of them
btemtd said:
Just order it from else where
. My mate has 4 on order from his importer... Will be the Octa core with 4G he told me.. I bagged one of them
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Some of us don't have that option sadly.
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thegh0sts said:
i'll wait till someone roots it and ports CM to it before i get this phone.
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Too bad there will be no CM support for S4... CM abandonin future samsung devices
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which one should I get? snapdragon or octo version??
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So if I have this right, we will be getting the snapdragon version which will be 3g only? To be honest not fussed about 4g as I work remotely a fair amount of the time. Plus I figure the snapdragon will still be lightning fast..
Super keen for the decent dev support too, whether that is CM or not remains to be seen I guess!
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98kellrs said:
So if I have this right, we will be getting the snapdragon version which will be 3g only? To be honest not fussed about 4g as I work remotely a fair amount of the time. Plus I figure the snapdragon will still be lightning fast..
Super keen for the decent dev support too, whether that is CM or not remains to be seen I guess!
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I believe it's the other way around. The snapdragon will be 4g capable while the Octa will be 3g.
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I got 2 questions. 1.If I upgrade from the GTi9100 from Vodafone - 3g will I have the option to choose from E5O or SD600. And If I buy unlocked will I get the choice between the two. I want the Octa even though the SD will have better support Thanks.
Hey guys... I want some input. Is it worth my time getting a Galaxy S4 (Sprint) if I read that the CyanogenMod Samsung team aren't getting it? I know there's others out there but what about CyanogenMod? I feel crushed. Serious input please
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Try asking here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1620179
"To err is human, to forgive is divine"
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That news about CM not supporting the S4 was assuming that they would ship with Exynos chips. Samsung has a poor history of supporting the Exynos development. They don't release a lot of necessary source code for it.
However, it turns out that most S4s, at least in North America and the UK (and most likely the rest of Europe by extension, I think), are going to be shipping with Qualcomm chips. Unlike Samsung, Qualcomm shows at least a little support for hobby development, and they release most of their source code. On top of that, CM gets most of their low-level code for Qualcomm chips from Code Aurora, who I hear (completely unsubstantiated rumour AFAIK) are Qualcomm employees working rogue to help out independent developers.
I think that development will be perfectly fine for the Qualcomm S4s. If you get an Exynos S4, however, that's still up in the air.
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EndlessDissent said:
That news about CM not supporting the S4 was assuming that they would ship with Exynos chips. Samsung has a poor history of supporting the Exynos development. They don't release a lot of necessary source code for it.
However, it turns out that most S4s, at least in North America and the UK (and most likely the rest of Europe by extension, I think), are going to be shipping with Qualcomm chips. Unlike Samsung, Qualcomm shows at least a little support for hobby development, and they release most of their source code. On top of that, CM gets most of their low-level code for Qualcomm chips from Code Aurora, who I hear (completely unsubstantiated rumour AFAIK) are Qualcomm employees working rogue to help out independent developers.
I think that development will be perfectly fine for the Qualcomm S4s. If you get an Exynos S4, however, that's still up in the air.
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Cool...thanks for the input
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Galaxy S4 No-good
What phone are you coming from though? Because it really depends. I would wait for the Motorola x phone depending on when it comes and then the HTC one seems pretty nice. I don't know if it is for sprint or not though
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S4 really doesn't have much features to brag about. Instead, go for HTC One...
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I thought octa core version will have many roms.
Wrong buy huhu
There is kernel thou.
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Balong020 said:
I thought octa core version will have many roms.
Wrong buy huhu
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2/3 of SGS4's shipped are S-600 and the i9500 is only available in smaller markets without the prospects of LTE. If devs in major markets (EU, US, Asia) have access to LTE it shouldn't be shocking they'd want to own an LTE-capable phone. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Octa has less dev support just based on fewer being sold and the markets it's available in.
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I thought octa core version will have many roms.
Wrong buy huhu
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Its a New device, with time will have more
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BarryH_GEG said:
2/3 of SGS4's shipped are S-600 and the i9500 is only available in smaller markets without the prospects of LTE. If devs in major markets (EU, US, Asia) have access to LTE it shouldn't be shocking they'd want to own an LTE-capable phone. So it shouldn't be a surprise that Octa has less dev support just based on fewer being sold and the markets it's available in.
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In terms of non-stock ROMs (CM, AOKP etc.) that's only part of the reason though, and not even the main one. The primary reason for a lack of ROMs is the Exynos chip set and the devs refusing to work with it thanks to Samsung.
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Wait for cm to release something!
Me Gusta!
Me Gusta said:
Wait for cm to release something!
Me Gusta!
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You'll be waiting a long time. So far no maintainers have expressed interest in touching another Exynos device.
There's always the possibility someone new will do the bringup, but so far, it's not likely.
It is normal! Nobody want to devote time and resources to a device that has a defective SoC! Even Samsung have acknowledged that there is a serious flaw in the core switching logic of Exynos 5410 that can't be repaired with a software patch and they have began to build the newer fixed Exynos 5420
I'm a owner of a gt I9505. Flashed a dozen roms already and kernels. Can't decide what I want. So many to pick, just wanted to tell you that.
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I'm a owner of a gt I9505. Flashed a dozen roms already and kernels. Can't decide what I want. So many to pick, just wanted to tell you that.
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Trololololollollolooool
Me Gusta!
Just out of intrest, why do devs hate exynos chipset so much? And HAHA!
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Still we get 6 hours screen on time which is great!! Isn't it??
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for anyone on the fence regarding 9500/9505, I would highly recommend i9505 if you are planning to mod.
There is already an active community of 9505 modders, and is growing daily. However there is no guarantee the issues with the Exynos chip will be resolved in the immediate future.
Any speed/power savings in the 9500 octacore chip are neglibile IMO and with a dearth of frequently updated roms for it, I think the 9505 is the way to go.
realslicedbread said:
for anyone on the fence regarding 9500/9505, I would highly recommend i9505 if you are planning to mod.
There is already an active community of 9505 modders, and is growing daily. However there is no guarantee the issues with the Exynos chip will be resolved in the immediate future.
Any speed/power savings in the 9500 octacore chip are neglibile IMO and with a dearth of frequently updated roms for it, I think the 9505 is the way to go.
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exynos chip will be rsolved? resolved what ? The difference is only with cm/aokp roms to which maintainers are reluctant to start(thank u ****shung). The rest of the development/mods is a different story, both are similar.
If there is a mod available for 9505 alone(which is unlikely since all the rom mods will be common for both)its just a matter of time before someone do it for 9500.
There are already a bundle of stock modded roms available for 9500.
calum96 said:
Just out of intrest, why do devs hate exynos chipset so much? And HAHA!
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They hate it because of Samsung! There is no complete documentation for the SoC, no compete sources, and the fact that the Exynos 5410 have a hardware flaw (that can't be fixed) doesn't help either!
OrionBG said:
They hate it because of Samsung! There is no complete documentation for the SoC, no compete sources, and the fact that the Exynos 5410 have a hardware flaw (that can't be fixed) doesn't help either!
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What hardware flaw?
OrionBG said:
They hate it because of Samsung! There is no complete documentation for the SoC, no compete sources, and the fact that the Exynos 5410 have a hardware flaw (that can't be fixed) doesn't help either!
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hardware flaw? explain! , you can call it a missing feature/implementation. the term "hardware flaw" will always mislead the users in general. a feature which was never promised to be available for end users cannot be called as a flaw. It lacks one of the implementation/features of big little architecture and thats it.
calum96 said:
Just out of intrest, why do devs hate exynos chipset so much? And HAHA!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40289495&postcount=228
And since I'm coming from i9100 exynos, there's been lot of frustration and waiting (mainly the hwcomposer). You could search & read i9100 threads and find out more reasons :laugh:.
If you're a rom junkie don't hold your breath for Exynos, just switch to Nexus 4 or wait a little bit longer for Nexus 5 like me.
So who's picking up the iPhone 6 Plus ? it's a 5.5inch display it looks bad-ass it sounds like a perfect replacement for the Galaxy Note 3 ?
Not even for galaxy note 3,lol still falls behind it by meters lol ?
I watched a small part of the Apple show and I must give it to them: these guys know marketing, nothing special but they sell it as if they reinvented the wheel ?
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Tonio78370 said:
I watched a small part of the Apple show and I must give it to them: these guys know marketing, nothing special but they sell it as if they reinvented the wheel ?
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You mean
"next gen retina display"
(last year's 1080p lcd) and
"a new a8 processor up to 84x faster"
(than the 7 years old original iPhone)
is just marketing for iSheeps and nothing more? [emoji1]
Putting the jokes aside, this new iPhones are basically at the s3 and note2 level from 2 years ago... [emoji11]
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You mean "next gen retina display" (last year's 1080p lcd) and performances up to 84 faster than the 7 years old original iPhone is just marketing for iSheeps and nothing more? [emoji1]
Putting the jokes aside, this new iPhones are basically at the s3 level from 2 years ago... [emoji11]
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That's why I say they're champs. There are people in front of an Apple store since end of August to buy this crap while paying a fortune, incredible [emoji15]
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Sorry is this the new iphone? Where does this fit in on xda? Not here....I know that for sure. They still have the audacity to charge £700 when they have changed nothing compared to last years model! Ridiculous.
iPhone 6 Plus?
Oh, you mean a refurbished Note 2...
Nothing new in the iphone
We had nfc,larger screens health sensors way before way before apple
And no 32 gb option ? Seriously what was apple thinking ?
Apple = America's richest company = still selling yeaterdays technology
fcukmayank said:
Nothing new in the iphone
We had nfc,larger screens health sensors way before way before apple
And no 32 gb option ? Seriously what was apple thinking ?
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At least they are good at selling stuff. Cause with these specs I would rather go back to my note 2 collecting dust in the closet. They really know how to sell their icrap.
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Wow dude you really put me off the iPhone 6 Plus.. There was me thinking i'm going to pick it up and get rid of the Note 3 Seems like ill be getting the note 4
Genuinely debating it. Note 4 doesn't fix any of the issues I have with the Note 3, and while nice, is not a hugely compelling upgrade.
Note 4 does support category 6 LTE with carrier aggregation, as opposed to cat4 w/carrier aggregation in the 6 plus - that, the smaller screen, and the lack of stylus are about my only hangups at this point. If the battery life is as claimed I'll likely pull the trigger regardless.
Even if the iPhone 6 Plus had all the features of the Note 3 and it does not.
Have you seen the spec?? for battery life on the iPhone 6 Plus.... 10 hours big deal.
You know how expensive an iPhone Plus 128Gig be?
Bet you will be able to buy a Note 4 edge, 128Gig SD card and still have saved hundreds of dollars.
I like Android and can not see me going back to iOS I would lose too much.
Me I want to see the next Nexus device, sick of waiting for Samsung to upgrade to the latest Android release but iPhone 6 Plus never.
+1, one thing I don't understand, why Samsung not able to give world ? wide update to all devices, which apple is able to do, many people screwed there phone because of running behind update, my samsung tab never received a single update in my country U.A.E, yes we knew flash threw Odin but there's many people spend their money & not able to enjoy there device with what they deserve.
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Just a wild guess, but from the specs iphone has somewhere around 20 LTE bands, so it probably covers whole world, therefore hardware is probably the same everywhere, where Samsung has different radios (and other stuff like exynos/qualcom) for different regions, so it needs to have different firmware. Don't ask me why, possibly region lock would suggest marketing strategy, more than anything else. Also, in US at least, the carriers have to test the firmware and possibly pick up other costs of upgrade, so often it's up to them. I'd rather downgrade to Note2, than 6plus, even if the price was the same, which it isn't.
BTW, I heard of more than one iphone owner being pissed about Apple's forced updates, when they didn't want to update.
And just to give an example why, I have no intention of updating my phone, it works just fine and update would break too many things for me, like root etc.
I mean seriously, iphone just got barometer and 1080p screen and 1080p60 video recording, WOW.
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+1, one thing I don't understand, why Samsung not able to give world ? wide update to all devices, which apple is able to do, many people screwed there phone because of running behind update, my samsung tab never received a single update in my country U.A.E, yes we knew flash threw Odin but there's many people spend their money & not able to enjoy there device with what they deserve.
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+1, one thing I don't understand, why Samsung not able to give world �� wide update to all devices, which apple is able to do, many people screwed there phone because of running behind update, my samsung tab never received a single update in my country U.A.E, yes we knew flash threw Odin but there's many people spend their money & not able to enjoy there device with what they deserve.
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Simple.
Apple has at most a total of 4 device types to update. (For instance, 5S, 5C, 6, 6+.) That's 4/5 different firmware versions to develop.
For just the Note 3, Samsung has:
N900
N9000Q
N9005
N900W8
N900T
N900P
N900A
N900V
N900S
N900K
N900R4
N9002
N9006
Divided amongst those versions are also a different CSC version for every country and every provider. Because every provider uses a different network, and a different list of compatible foreign roaming networks.
For the N9005 alone, that is 145 different CSC's. N900 has 75 different CSC.
Even if we assume that the rest of the device version only have 1 CSC (They don't), that's already a total of 233.
233 different firmwares to develop!
And that's just one device. Now think that Samsung updates all their devices for 18 months. So add another 233 for: The S4, S4 mini, S5, S5 mini, Mega, S4 Active, Note 3 Neo, Express 2, and all other recent devices.
We're talking about just the ones mentioned above of, at any time, 2100 different firmware versions that need to be separately developed, tested and rolled out. None are identical. (As evident by the problem many had when updating from DBT to BTU a while back and had to reflash the pit file.)
2100. And that's provided nothing goes wrong.
I didn't even count all active devices, just the recent Android ones that are most common.
Now, all Branded firmwares have to go back and forth between the respective providers several times for testing and adapting as well. That's about 6 weeks for every Branded version. (Which is why that's always late).
And Samsung? They don't have a choice. Because every provider demands their own version. That's the problem with an open software and a fair business policy, the providers have the right to do that. Apple doesn't answer to anyone (Not even international law.) and nobody can shake a stick at Apple without a backlash from the US Government.
See the problem? Samsung can try all they want. The problem isn't the company, it's the Telecom providers.
I mean to be honest Samsung could at least in theory cram all the modem hardware inside every phone so it works worldwide and on every network and also they could make up their minds about qualcom/exynos and use one across the brand.
Apple develops software in house, where Samsung get's it from Google and then have to adapt it to all it's models.
I don't pay much attention to iOS, but I think Android has more updates, more often.
As far as Apple being supported by US gov. I think you exaggerated, it's probably more about having enough money to bribe just anybody.
But why am I wasting time talking about Crapple in Note 3 forum.
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Bad ass
pete4k said:
I mean to be honest Samsung could at least in theory cram all the modem hardware inside every phone so it works worldwide and on every network
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No, they can't. For starters, in the US it is entirely normal that the providers have their own private device entirely. It's hard to imagine anyone getting away with that in the EU, but in the US, AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile all have their own device. Not just their own firmware, but their very own device code, even. And not just phones. Tablets, too.
Have you noticed how it is near-impossible to acquire an Unbranded smartphone in the US?
Not to mention Black Import is a major problem. In comparison, in the US a phone costs $450. The same phone in the EU costs €799. ($1032). In India it's the equivalent of $200.
That's why it is illegal to export electronics from the US, that's why Lithium-Ion batteries are on the No-Fly list, and that's why the Region Lock exists.
Not to mention, a good example. The 2100 band in Canada is not the same as the one in Europe and the US. Which is why they called it the 1700 band, which also doesn't match to the ones in the rest of the world. Confusing, isn't it? So even if an EU device has the 2100 and 1700 bands listed as compatible, it won't work in Canada on those bands because it's not the same band at all, even though they're called the same. The US is like that, too.
Simply put, Telecom proivders have far, far too much power.
As far as Apple being supported by US gov. I think you exaggerated, it's probably more about having enough money to bribe just anybody.
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Apple provides a lot of hardware for the US government, and they're the richest company in the US.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this (probably are) but the US politicians get their funding from corporations and companies. Apple gave $308,000 USD to President Obama for his campaign. He was friends with Jobs.
Obama himself vetoed (overruled) Samsung's very first victory in the ITC, a ruling that would've resulted in an instant ban on all iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, iPad 3G and iPad 2 sales.
If you don't call that supported by the government, I don't know what is. Corruption is what it is.
But why am I wasting time talking about Crapple in Note 3 forum.
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Because at least here we have intelligent conversations on the topic, as opposed to everywhere else where they just say 'But you don't need that for anything' to all arguments It's refreshing to discuss Apple products with people who actually DO know about the importance and meaning of hardware specifications.
I'm looking to purchase G9550 model cab anyone tell me the difference between the 2 pls.
I'm based in the UK as far as I can see bands are the same.
http://www.phonemore.com/phone/samsung-galaxy-s8-plus-duos-sm-g9550-128gb/3264
http://www.phonemore.com/phone/samsung-galaxy-s8-plus-sm-g955f/3234
The differences are only 3, as far as I can tell:
Snapdragon vs Exynos
6gb Ram vs 4gb Ram
Community support
Exynos is faster than snapdragon, overclocked or not (mine is overclocked to 2.5 ghz and does 182k on antutu, same battery life).
6gb ram is better if you need to use 10 apps at the same time, because it will need to reload apps less often (although I havent seen my s8+ exynos reloading anything so far)
community support is better for exynos than snapdragon, that's for the normal ones... imagine a specific model with a snapdragon.
If it were me, I would spare myself the trouble of getting a phone that will only be sold in korea or China and avoid potential problems that will take longer to be solved than if you got a national phone (even if the bands are the same). I would get the 955F (well, I have it xD)
The reason I was considering 9550 as blue coral is only available in that version.
I did go for 955FD gold in the end as that colour isn't available in the UK yet.
Useful info just one correction g9550 also comes in 4GB ram too.
badjoras said:
The differences are only 3, as far as I can tell:
Snapdragon vs Exynos
6gb Ram vs 4gb Ram
Community support
Exynos is faster than snapdragon, overclocked or not (mine is overclocked to 2.5 ghz and does 182k on antutu, same battery life).
6gb ram is better if you need to use 10 apps at the same time, because it will need to reload apps less often (although I havent seen my s8+ exynos reloading anything so far)
community support is better for exynos than snapdragon, that's for the normal ones... imagine a specific model with a snapdragon.
If it were me, I would spare myself the trouble of getting a phone that will only be sold in korea or China and avoid potential problems that will take longer to be solved than if you got a national phone (even if the bands are the same). I would get the 955F (well, I have it xD)
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I have the 9550. Didn't really have a choice since I live in Hong Kong. I do prefer the exynos too, although kind of doubt it makes a big difference (probably slightly better battery life).
Completely true about the community support although you can expect part of the Chinese community to actually support the device.
It will probably also take longer to get a root for this device than on Exynos (if we ever get it... Which starts to stress me out)
One small caveat: the Snapdragon has a better support than exynos among app developers and you can expect to have better optimized apps for the Snapdragon version (but this too is probably a minor thing too...)
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Alcibiade said:
One small caveat: the Snapdragon has a better support than exynos among app developers, and you can expect to have better optimized apps for the Snapdragon version (but this too is probably a minor thing too...)
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I don't see how that makes sense, I don't suppose you can elaborate on why you think this is correct?
TY/BR.
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I don't see how that makes sense, I don't suppose you can elaborate on why you think this is correct?
TY/BR.
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Certain 3rd party camera apps for instance take advantage of the snapdragon. Google TensorFlow for machine learning as well. Other apps leverage on its DAC.
I hope now that makes sense to you. If it doesn't, use Google.
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Certain 3rd party camera apps for instance take advantage of the snapdragon. Google TensorFlow for machine learning as well. Other apps leverage on its DAC. I hope now that makes sense to you.
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Cheers! I wonder why Exynos has worse support for those sort of things, poorer dev SDKs/APIs? BR.
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Cheers! I wonder why Exynos has worse support for those sort of things, poorer dev SDKs/APIs? BR.
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Most likely Qualcomm's effort to distribute their API and document their processors (Samsung doesn't publish everything about the Exynos). Also easiness of users reach for developpers: if you develop something optimized for Qualcomm you know you will reach US Samsung's phones, HTC phones, Pixel, Moto, etc... And you probably don't want to make the effort to see if there is an equivalent API available for Exynos, learn it, debug your app for it while it will allow you to reach only a limited number of users.
These are anyway most of times optimizations that allow faster processing and don't necessarily take away any functionalities (So in most cases it wouldn't even get noticed)
I see, I suspected it'd be something like that, thanks for taking the time to explain further why you think it's the case! BR.
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I see, I suspected it'd be something like that, thanks for taking the time to explain further why you think it's the case! BR.
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Latest example of this:
https://androidcommunity.com/google...comm-snapdragon-820-821-835-devices-20170814/
Won't happen for Exynos. With Google certainly optimizing a lot of its next apps for Pixel 2, you may soon see more coming for Snapdragon 835. Typically I wouldn't be too surprised if we were to get this for snapdragons: http://news.mit.edu/2017/automatic-image-retouching-phone-0802
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badjoras said:
The differences are only 3, as far as I can tell:
Snapdragon vs Exynos
6gb Ram vs 4gb Ram
Community support
Exynos is faster than snapdragon, overclocked or not (mine is overclocked to 2.5 ghz and does 182k on antutu, same battery life).
6gb ram is better if you need to use 10 apps at the same time, because it will need to reload apps less often (although I havent seen my s8+ exynos reloading anything so far)
community support is better for exynos than snapdragon, that's for the normal ones... imagine a specific model with a snapdragon.
If it were me, I would spare myself the trouble of getting a phone that will only be sold in korea or China and avoid potential problems that will take longer to be solved than if you got a national phone (even if the bands are the same). I would get the 955F (well, I have it xD)
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To my surprise, the Snapdragon seems to be ahead this time...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11540/samsung-galaxy-s8-exynos-versus-snapdragon
Sigh...
If only I could get a G9550 easily into Australia, none of the specialist importers were offering the 6GB + 128GB version, plus it was missing one critical band, in-the-end I was left with no choice but to get an imported G955FD. [only single SIM version officially sold in Australia]
The only place I could find it in the world where I could have had it shipped, was India, but the average cost of top-end smartphones there is much higher than it is in Australia, postage plus MF services wasn't too bad.
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Sigh...
If only I could get a G9550 easily into Australia, none of the specialist importers were offering the 6GB + 128GB version, plus it was missing one critical band, in-the-end I was left with no choice but to get an imported G955FD. [only single SIM version officially sold in Australia]
The only place I could find it in the world where I could have had it shipped, was India, but the average cost of top-end smartphones there is much higher than it is in Australia, postage plus MF services wasn't too bad.
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FYI, the 6GB/128GB G955FD S8+ is now available in Brazil as well, hopefully Samsung decides to launch it in other markets like they did with the 128GB S7 edge.
Yeah I know t'was a bit later, even if it was an option at the time;
I suspect it would've been just as impractical as India turned out to be.
Sigh, ah well....