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My confession:

Man, this is definitely the hardest thing I've ever decided to post to XDA...
Long story not-so-short: I won a GC to Best Buy for 500$ from a local gaming establishment...(read: illegal slot-machine parlor type place).
I had no idea what to get, as I already have a jillion Android devices/tables/phones/accessories and so on...
On a whim, I decided to just get an iPad 2, (just the 16GB, WIFI-only version, just to kinda see what all the hype was all about, and also due to the fact that I had played a couple of games on the store demos and was pretty impressed.)
Mind you, (and if you have ever read any of my anti-Apple rants on XDA) this was my FIRST time owning anything from the company, and I hadn't really touched an I-anything since the mid-eighties, when I used an original Mac in my high school computer lab for writing assignments..
Now, having no recent experience whatsoever with "today's" iOS, upon first use of thie thing I was greatly impressed just with the slickness of the interface overall, and the fact that the first couple of FPS's I legally bought from the app store looked and ran flawlessly (oh yeah, that Temple Run thing is also like video-crack).
I was pretty floored already, but when I decided to jailbreak it and install the basics like Cydia, installous, and Dreamboard, that's kinda when "**** got real".
I realized that many of the arguments I used online when dismissing iOS as a "real" option for someone who is into device hackery as much as I am suddenly dissolved...
No app drawer, or widgets?
No longer the case, solved by a Dreamboard theme...
No live wallpapers, or custom keyboards?
Same story.
ONLY able to use a proprietary Market for apps, music, books, movies, etc?
Solved by Installous and Cydia.
Bonus?
I can theme this thing to look and feel just like a Honeycomb tablet:
For instance, here's my current setup on this thing, and I'm really just scratching the surface of learning what can be done with it:
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Here's a page that shows a couple of more themes I can 'one-click' add:
And here's a freaking app-drawer on an iOS device, something I didn't know was possible:
Basically, I'm just "coming out" and admitting that I'm actually quite smitten with this iPad, which is something I NEVER thought I would say:
(I still couldn't EVER use an iPhone as a daily because there are still a ****ton of limitations compared to Android, so that would never happen, but I gotta say, that for a tablet, even compared to my other Android tablets, right now this is my favorite....)
Please, don't hate me, fellas...(but have fun with the obvious flames that are to be expected....I just had to give props where props were due.)
Anyone else out there with a similar experience?
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I have an itouch and I've used a number of iPads they are nice I'm considering getting one but I'm waiting a bit more just to see if the rumors about the iPad 3 are true. I've already got apps in iTunes that will work that I bought so not a big deal. To each their own a lot of people hate Apple I do on certain things but they do actually make some good products.

Nothing wrong with a device that makes you happy, regardless of the make/os.
Ill admit to having one for a week, but my reaction was different. After having a galaxy tab 10.1 I couldn't adjust and even with jail breaking I hated it.
Hope it continues to keep you satisfied. What most diehards on both sides often forget is there's room for both makes in the world.
The best device will always be whatever makes you happy.
Congrats on your purchase.

Mazook...i would have never thought it possible! Well it is a great device so have fun and enjoy. People bicker alot about apple/android and which is better but i feel both are great. So why not just enjoy all the great mobile tech we have available and appreciate it for what it all is......AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing man.
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Nice purchase! iPads are pretty powerful and useful. I do think it's a bit ironic that you've themed it to look and perform like an Android tablet

lol get to making an asop android 4.0 and we got us a real tablet

I don't get why people get on here to brag about their ipads and iPhones. Really now.

Now that right there is a damn sexy setup for an iPad. Jailbreaking was definitely a must for me on my last 2 iOS devices. People can hate on Apple all they want (like I do ) but they do make high quality products.
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My butthole still itches....
Thinking of writing a post about it.
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iPads are OK, as long as you can never ever ever EVER touch iTunes. That's the deal breaker for me. I can't stand that POS. My wife has an unmodded iPad, and every time I have to update her machine, iTunes pisses me off. Heck, it even pisses her off because her bible software (Olive Tree) seems to lose settings after a major OS rev. I've had to fight with the stupid thing to get her purchases from OT back onto her device. The device itself isn't bad, although it's pretty limited for me, but iTunes is the debil, Momma!

Well since we are confessing... it was actually me who chopped down the cherry tree. George Washington is innocent! Whew! I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders!
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Are we really so engaged in fake-warfare with cellphones that threads such as these are the norm at XDA?
Just curious help me out here.

I love my iPad 2. I have played with practically every other tablet out there, I still think it's the only one worth getting.

nibrwr said:
Nice purchase! iPads are pretty powerful and useful. I do think it's a bit ironic that you've themed it to look and perform like an Android tablet
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lol...because that's the only thing my brain knows how to use: I can manipulate through home screens, sling thru apps no prob with an Android setup: it's all I've ever known: seriously, until I put that simple little Xoom theme on it, I was moving thru screens on it like a retarded baboon might: (no offense to any retarded baboons out there).
Also, to Phatman: not trying to come on XDA to "glorify" this thing: I was just pleasantly surprised by something from a company that, in the past, I always (rightfully!) bashed because of their business model and completely proprietary products: I'm just showing that I found what a difference a jailbroken device can make: I'm not selling or advocating the purchase of one: Hell, I thought I'd be the LAST person on Earth to ever own one: the ONLY idevice I've ever purchased before was a Bluetooth keyboard from Apple that I bought from Walmart, at like 2AM to test out on a Nook Color when CM first got it working: they had no other Bluetooth keyboards from other manufacturers available, and it took me like 20 minutes of just staring at the package to make up my mind a "go thru with the purchase", with all the "ethical issues" the entire buying process was creating for me....
Trust me, bro: this was far more "confession-time" than "finding new religion-time".
Edit: Robzilla: thanks for the tip about iTunes: haven't used it: now I'll know not to use it in the future.
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iOS is NO DOUBT a fantastic product and device. but 2 things do bother me, and both of them are really more about business
1. i shouldnt have to jailbreak/root a device to customize it... (keyboards, themes, launchers, etc)
2. i REFUSE to buy products from a business who conducts themselves in such a sleazy manner. just like i cant stand the fanboy who justifies apples ethics because "they are superior". sounds a lot like a certain Pro-Aryan leader of the past...
other than that, im glad you are happy with it! remember, i hate APPLE, not you.

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Basically, I'm just "coming out"
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Whatever makes you happy dude
The iPad is a great product but Apple sucks as a company that's all

The iPad destroys Android tablets. The transformer prime is less usable than the iPad from early last year. I prefer Android on the phone over iOS, but Google and the manufacturers don't get what made the iPad successful, stability, convenience, and the apple store warranty process when something goes wrong, not specs and features. People go to a laptop/desktop when they want specs and features. If your customer has to pay shipping for defects or read 50 page filled forum with complaints, then you are doing it wrong.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 will be the IPads worst nightmare. I have a perfectly operating prime and ipad2 that will both be kicked to the curb for the 10.1 note
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ilostmypistons said:
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 will be the IPads worst nightmare. I have a perfectly operating prime and ipad2 that will both be kicked to the curb for the 10.1 note
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If Samsung would only improve their update policies. People buying an iPad know apple will give them the cool new features for at least 2 years after the sale. Android buyers are becoming paralyzed because they don't know which device will be supported. Anybody with professional sales experience will tell you eliminating obstacles to buying is key, I wish Samsung would realize this.
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kingsway8605 said:
If Samsung would only improve their update policies. People buying an iPad know apple will give them the cool new features for at least 2 years after the sale. Android buyers are becoming paralyzed because they don't know which device will be supported. Anybody with professional sales experience will tell you eliminating obstacles to buying is key, I wish Samsung would realize this.
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The phones being released now are awesome out the of the box. SGII running 2.3 is good. Ice Cream update is only going to make the majority angry. Why do people think that updates that change the look of the device equates to good? It doesn't. On XDA we are an extreme minority. I wish more people would realize this. GPS works, phone works, text work, apps are awesome with many choices to pick from so what is wrong with it? Oh... it isn't running the latest android OS and that means the device isn't supported, right? Wrong. We just got another update for random fixes on a already stable device.
Here is my reasoning in regards to Apple projects or Android. If I have to go to the extreme to modify it to my liking then your not getting my money. I will not support locking down my devices. I would enjoy a free Ipad. I'd probably love it. But I'm not going to give Apple any money. I'm not going to give Motorola any love with a locked boot loader either. Or Assassin Creed for the PC, they aren't getting any support from me. The choice between Barnes and Nobles and Amazon Tablet for me is simple, Amazon because they didn't lock the boot loader.

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Here is a Noob question for you. Is it possible to add an item to the stock SK4G dock bar? I want to add web in between apps and contacts cause I use it so much. I have searched the forums and can't come up with anything. Thanks.

Unfortunatly no :'( I tried doing it before and got tired of trying to figure out how to do it so I just got launcher pro than the cracked version of launcher pro plus xD
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l1f3h4cker said:
Unfortunatly no :'( I tried doing it before and got tired of trying to figure out how to do it so I just got launcher pro than the cracked version of launcher pro plus xD
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shame on you. the developers work hard on those apps. you are one of many reasons why I wont develop apps cause it will just end up on some torrent or pirate site so cheap bastards such as your self can steal it.
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I know that developer and that is the reason hes not updating his launcher to work with ICS. Hes sick of his work being stolen from him.
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ReActiveDisorder said:
shame on you. the developers work hard on those apps. you are one of many reasons why I wont develop apps cause it will just end up on some torrent or pirate site so cheap bastards such as your self can steal it.
I know that developer and that is the reason hes not updating his launcher to work with ICS. Hes sick of his work being stolen from him.
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yeah thats poopy, but its the way of the world. people shouldnt do things they love for the hope of money, and if they dont love doing it they shouldnt do it at all.

i agree that the developer should be supported, but, if you like me and cant even afford a 1$ app, using their app and telling people how great it is is the next best thing.

Thanks for the heads up. Its a shame it can't be done but I guess that's what ROMS are for. Maybe Reactive Disorder will see this and kung fu it into one of his. I've been looking at his work and I swear he is half computer with the stuff he does. But anyway I don't agree with swiping peoples work. If they put it out there for free or just want donations then its fine to get it, otherwise PAY THEM FOR THEIR WORK! I am a chef and a musician. I HATE when people rip me off and can't tolerate seing it done to someone else. Nothing worse than spending days/weeks poring everything into something just to have someone else come in and snatch it without even a thought about what you went through. At least in my circles if you get ahold of my recipes or sheet music I can come and punch you in the face when I catch you.
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-Nomad- said:
Thanks for the heads up. Its a shame it can't be done but I guess that's what ROMS are for. Maybe Reactive Disorder will see this and kung fu it into one of his. I've been looking at his work and I swear he is half computer with the stuff he does. But anyway I don't agree with swiping peoples work. If they put it out there for free or just want donations then its fine to get it, otherwise PAY THEM FOR THEIR WORK! I am a chef and a musician. I HATE when people rip me off and can't tolerate seing it done to someone else. Nothing worse than spending days/weeks poring everything into something just to have someone else come in and snatch it without even a thought about what you went through. At least in my circles if you get ahold of my recipes or sheet music I can come and punch you in the face when I catch you.
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i agree to a degree, but honestly if that person cant afford your music and there was no way to get it free, you wouldnt have gotten that money anyway.

yoyowhatup22 said:
i agree to a degree, but honestly if that person cant afford your music and there was no way to get it free, you wouldnt have gotten that money anyway.
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I can see where your coming from but its a little different in the music world. At my shows there is the expensive seats up front, cheap seats in the back and free out in the field. I am not saying that I am after everyone's money just give me credit for my work. I have had people steal my sheet music and claim it as their own before. That doesn't mean I won't make money at all but I put a lot of work into that and to have someone else say they did it is what pissed me off. He could have had it if he just asked but that was weeks of my time lost and I have nothing to show for it. When it comes to apps I agree that there should be a free trial for all of them, but if its not and you can only get it by paying then if you want it bad enough you will buy it. If making apps was my only source of income and someone leaked it and everyone gets it for free without at least donating then I would starve. That's what gets me so riled up.

It's like every thread on here, ReActive butts in and it goes way off-topic (or he just insults someone for posting about a dream), but I can't stay away from this one as it speaks to the core of my principals.
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He could have had it if he just asked but that was weeks of my time lost and I have nothing to show for it.
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...so how does that change if he asked? What do you have to show for it then that you lost by him not asking? Even if he doesn't ask, you can still say: Hey, I made that, and people are benefiting from it. Isn't that why you create art, so people can enjoy it? Does it really matter if they know who the artist is or not (if you are not trying to make money off it)?
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If making apps was my only source of income and someone leaked it and everyone gets it for free without at least donating then I would starve. That's what gets me so riled up.
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Back to money again. Money is a false construct and has nothing to do with art, skill, or creativity. If your only source of income is payment from individuals for something you can copy and reproduce without costing you any money or time, then you are in the wrong business. If I can't hold it in my hand, it is not a commodity, it is simply knowledge/information/directions/instructions. All of those things should be free to the entire globe.
If I can see it, if I can hear it, if I can learn how to build it... then I have an undeniable human right to record it, copy it, modify it, and redistributed it to anyone and everyone. Not sharing your recipes/sheet-music with who ever is interested (for free) is a crime to my sense of morality/values. It is all just information, and the collection of all the worlds information should be freely available to every human on the planet.
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You can't "build" it, pal.
Stealing my software (or anybody else's) is a crime.
Furthermore, it's not about the love and it's not about the people; it's about the money.
Anytime you publish any kind of IP, you know that there will be theft, but that doesn't mean I have to like it--or endorse it.
Furthermore, this site forbids piracy and if you go around proudly saying otherwise, you will proudly join Jin out there in the wild blue yonder.
If you can "build" all this great software, just make your own. No need to steal it if it's so trivial and easy for you.

orange808 said:
Stealing my software (or anybody else's) is a crime.
Anytime you publish any kind of IP, you know that there will be theft, but that doesn't mean I have to like it--or endorse it.
If you can "build" all this great software, just make your own. No need to steal it if it's so trivial and easy for you.
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I had a huge event to get ready for so getting back into the forums here to post has been challenging. Thank you Orange808. I was upset I couldn't get on to tell the other guy about how stealing from me hurt me, but you got to them first. I say that at the end of the day, no mater how you try to justify it, if you take something that's not yours without going through the proper channels you are a thief. I don't care what kind of Robin Hood complex you have, if you didn't compensate or do whatever else is asked of you to obtain the product, and even ideas can be products, you stole it. I am not ok with that at all. If you are ok with being a thief that's your problem, don't try to make me thank you for it. But with that all said we are way off topic. I started this thread to ask a question. It has been answered. I don't know how to close a thread on this forum, but it needs to be closed. If you want to argue about morality, START YOUR OWN THREAD! Please stop doing it on mine. Thank you.
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Ok. I'm quite respectful, and will leave this thread alone as requested. Just know that I would never steal anything from anyone (which requires taking something physical away from them).

rpmccormick said:
Ok. I'm quite respectful, and will leave this thread alone as requested. Just know that I would never steal anything from anyone (which requires taking something physical away from them).
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I don't have the time/patience to look up and post all of the links , but go to wikipedia and look up Intellectual property and you will see that it is protected and treated as real property with all of the same rights. That means that taking someones music, app, program or any other IP without their permission is still theft. Don't believe me ask a lawyer. As I said before. The original topic this thread was started for has been answered and this thread is closed. Start your own thread if you really want to hash this one out.
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rpmccormick said:
Ok. I'm quite respectful, and will leave this thread alone as requested. Just know that I would never steal anything from anyone (which requires taking something physical away from them).
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jeez, cmon. just because you arnt physically taking it away doesnt mean you didnt steal it, i steal. i can admit that, no im not proud of it but i cant afford any of it anyway. but having your moral compass pointed so far south like that is just wrong.

rpmccormick said:
Ok. I'm quite respectful, and will leave this thread alone as requested. Just know that I would never steal anything from anyone (which requires taking something physical away from them).
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I did stay away for a while. Not trolling. Will stay away again... but I saw this today and felt I had to picture-post back to ReActive. Many other people share my morals. To us, "having your moral compass pointed so far [north] like that is just wrong."
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rpmccormick said:
I did stay away for a while. Not trolling. Will stay away again... but I saw this today and felt I had to picture-post back to ReActive. Many other people share my morals. To us, "having your moral compass pointed so far [north] like that is just wrong."
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I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung
Rounded corners, can't do that, Apple OWNS the rounded cornered rectangle. Much hate for Apple. Will never buy one of their products, ever.
They are making less choices for us and jacking prices. Worse yet, if this stands they'll probably go after Google and the Droid OS.
Thoughts? Comments?
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apple is the best.

BaconStep said:
apple is the best.
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lol

Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-sleeping-giant-may-have-awoken/
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UZ7 said:
Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,

Anyone wonder how many of the jurors had iPhones?
Hey guys, remember when Apple invented smartphones? And music?
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madmajd said:
or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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Agreed, now that Jobs is gone, I don't see their innovation level holding. People like Apple for is simplicity though. Most people are lazy and want things simple.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
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As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it

Bet everyone in the jury are apple owners
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Apple's a spoiled child used to all the attention, and Samsung is the newborn baby brother that now gets the attention. No matter which way this case goes, us as a consumer are gonna lose out. Apple went after Samsung because they were dominating the market. Next, they'll probably come at HTC. And it'll be that way until Apple gets the attention back.
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Microsoft owns a patent for file truncation. A patent for shortening a file name to make it easier to read. Every company has ****ty patents
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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I get what you're saying but suing doesn't "head off" anything. It just adds to the pile of crap that is the patent industry. MS, Google, Kodak all have patents that shouldn't exist
Everyone needs to take off their Android glasses for a second. In terms of following the law this was an open and shut case.
Samsung had a 100 page smoking gun document that said "Apples phone is awesome, let's do what they're doing."
Touchwiz is a very blatant ripoff of iPhone UI.
They should have lost the case, but it is true the case should never have been in court.
Unfortunately all the patents were ruled valid, so this will keep happening.
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whosgotlag said:
It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.

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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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Red herring. Research in Motion is losing money because it's operating system sucks along with its tiny screen and keyboard.
The outward design of iPhone and Android is essentially the same, and they both target their DIFFERENT audiences effectively.
Those who own an iPhone do not want an Android. For the majority its not a question of what Android has to offer over iOS. Its not that they dont know about Android. They just don't like it.
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Samsung blatantly copied design cues from apple so I agree Sammy deserved to get hit but some of those design patents are bull**** bounce back, rectangle with rounded corners those are insane
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It's all a money issue. I'm so glad I moved away from the darkside of phones. I liked my iPhone for the years I had it, but I could see my LOVE for Android instantly after I bought my Skyrocket. Apple is such a powerful company and they have some of the best lawyers money can buy. They put so much legalese in thier contracts and patenting. It's ridiculous.

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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.

Most iPhone owners who aren't technologically inept go with their iPhone over Android with this being their huge argument.....Security. JB does make a tremendous progress in eliminating the laggyness that has been known to plague Android OS and does make it oh so smooth when working your way through all the features and apps. The main drawback to most still is security and how Apple does such a great job of securing accounts and identity on their devices. I for one can't stand that apple won this verdict but I don't think they will stop Samsung, but I'm sure they weren't expecting to. My guess is they waited to find the result of this case to buy them precious time to where they can unveil the iPhone5 to give them a large window to attempt to establish a landslide victory while freezing out its competition and running solo campaigns to gain more users.
It's like some douchebag person who is filthy rich and is going after a girl who likes you and you're not as well off. That person will do what they can and spend all kinds of money because they know you don't have as deep of pockets to even the playing field. He may not destroy you totally win or lose but he definitely succeeds in throwing dirt on your name and add some clout. Just my $0.02
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.
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I agree 100%.
Apple is more like living in a communist regime. Steve Jobs has been famous for saying it as his motto "You don't tell us what you want, we tell you."

Just wondering aren't practicality 80% of all phones rectangular with rounded corners?
Are you serious that shouldn't even be a patent. Its too general.
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I want to find this guy....

I was reading a CNN article on how Google play is quickly catching up to the Apple App store.
In the comments is this douche bag..
What??? Yes there are more Android phones then iPhones, but it is a well known fact that iOS accounts for more web traffic than Android. Why is this? Because most Android users dont have a job and eat hot pockets in the mothers basement. Android users in general do not have credit cards and thus tend to look for free stuff. This is why, despite being the majority, a developer cannot make any money. This will not end unelss Google starts modeling their store after the Apple App store. Plus, if you remove all the crap like wallpaper, sound bites and pirated apps, you are probably left with under 200,000 apps.
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I think people who buy the iPhone know exactly why they buy it. Quality build, unmatched ecosystem and excellent customer service are a few. Why buy the cheap knock off when you can get the real deal.
Lets face the truth, Android users are not the brightest in the bunch. Apple is sells hardware/software, Google sells advertisement space, this is how each makes their money. Android users have chosen to give up their personal data in exchange in order to have choice. The choice they are making is which phone do I want to use in order to give up my personal data.
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What difference does it make, Samsung phones look like iPhones. How else do you expect Samsung to comepete. Build a phone that looks like an iPhone and the Droidtards will then choose to buy it because they now have the best knockoff of an iPhone available. Its really that simple.
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" At least with Android, I have a choice in what's important to me, whether that be hardware types or software"
yea, on the hardware side, you have a choice of [email protected] and heap o' junk. Nice choices. On the software side, you have a choice between amature crapware and second rate copies.
Do you know why developers develop for iPhone first and Android second, if at all? Its because developers look at the Android ecosystem and see nothing but a mess. You cant even install ICS, you think you have a choice? Are you kidding me? You do not have a choice. I have the choice with an iPhone because I can choose to run the best mobile software I want at anytime, you can't run top of the line software and your hardware was probably once touted as an iPhone killer.
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it goes on and on and on.. this is from his profile where you can pull up all of this comments.
People like this are exactly why I stay away from apple crap, they are so brainwashed its ridiculous.
http://www.cnet.com/profile/Rabidnun/

It isn't written very well. Alot of sentences that don't make sense and alot of words that are spelled wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is either a kid or uneducated idiot. Either way, I don't think anyone will even remotely take them serious. Funny tsf though, it is amazing how close minded some people are.....
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I think you are taking this too seriously..
If you get offended every time someone says something dumb on the internet well, you're gonna have a bad time.

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I think you are taking this too seriously..
If you get offended every time someone says something dumb on the internet well, you're gonna have a bad time.
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Not that seriously, I was just amazed more than anything. I was trying to find his email so I could show him how stupid I am. Lol
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I think you are taking this too seriously..
If you get offended every time someone says something dumb on the internet well, you're gonna have a bad time.
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This makes me want to bomb an embassy of apple...
Too soon to joke?
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I think you are taking this too seriously..
If you get offended every time someone says something dumb on the internet well, you're gonna have a bad time.
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+1
Never take comments on CNN or Yahoo seriously.

Sounds like an Apple employee to me.
Spoke a lot a words and nothing came out of it. Blah Blah Blah...
Yep, definitely an Apple Employee LOL

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Not that seriously, I was just amazed more than anything. I was trying to find his email so I could show him how stupid I am. Lol
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lol, well played

Serinety said:
I was reading a CNN article on how Google play is quickly catching up to the Apple App store.
In the comments is this douche bag..
it goes on and on and on.. this is from his profile where you can pull up all of this comments.
People like this are exactly why I stay away from apple crap, they are so brainwashed its ridiculous.
http://www.cnet.com/profile/Rabidnun/
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Recognize a troll for what he is. He's just looking for an argument...

Another iFool, he obviously is very misinformed. The iPhone 5 is a complete fail on apples part. Wife wanted to upgrade her iPhone 4 to the 5 and changed her mind after looking at my GS3. Apple users can sugar coat all they want, in the end, I'd take open source any day.
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This is unneeded locked.

[Q] This may sound tres "conspiracy theory-ist", BUT ...

Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.

WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.

JB?
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WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.

Yeah you missed the whole point of this site. lol

NYCblues said:
Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.
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No. Dude these are multibillion dollar companies, they have better **** to deal then playing subterfuge over what would amount to a couple thousand dollars, at the most, lost from annoyed customers
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what do you mean taken away from you? did you mess it up and bricked it or somebody confiscated it from your home?
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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Lol. If anything AT&T is trying to get away from Apple products. They make more profit selling Android devices.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.

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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.
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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?

NYCblues said:
What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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I love grammar Nazis! U R the gr8est!

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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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That was sweet! ALL HAIL GRAMMAR NAZI! As far as the 'discussion' goes, it should make no difference to you who releases what and when. As it was pointed out, maybe you are missing the point of this arena. Whether you develop, tinker, or just screw around with your phone, the point is this: collectively, we as a group could not care less what the carriers or even manufacturers provide for us in the way of OS updates. We seek out our own, by way of skilled and knowledgeable people who aren't satisfied with the bloatware infested offerings given to us long after the fact. As a member of this forum, you are EXPECTED to have the desire to learn how to make your own way in the android world, albeit with the help of others most of the time.This is a development and learning forum. Regardless of the trolling and/or occasional flaming for the sub-genius among us, you need to want to learn, not wait on the conglomerates to dole out what they want to....my penny and a half.