I can't seems to find a suitable waterproof case for me. I don't like weather waterpoof case that's like a bag and thick. I'm finding a slim waterproof case just like normal casing. Example Lifeproof?
anyone got suggestion ?
I use dandy case I got from amazon. But it's more like a bag than a case. But it works really well. I use it on a lanyard.
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There isn't any made like that for the n4
We see you meow on our nexusâ´ can we haz some more?
I would not leave my phone in a waterproof case over long periods of time to avoid condensation created by the heat generated by the cpu!
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I would not leave my phone in a waterproof case over long periods of time to avoid condensation created by the heat generated by the cpu!
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Most random comment ever. Unless you phone is exuding water vapor it wont condense on to the inside of the case. Conversely your phone exuding heat would warm up the case driving away condensation.
Putting your phone into a case while in a humid environment then moving to a cold one would fog up the inside. Nothing else can really.
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Most random comment ever. Unless you phone is exuding water vapor it wont condense on to the inside of the case. Conversely your phone exuding heat would warm up the case driving away condensation.
Putting your phone into a case while in a humid environment then moving to a cold one would fog up the inside. Nothing else can really.
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you are free to do what you want, but this is a problem that I have observed on computer controlled machinery in wash bay application (humid environment) there was actually more humidity going into the electronics when customers covered the machinery with plastic air tight covers when compared to customer who only used them straight with no protection and left the machines to dry afterwards!
Only trying to give out advice, in the end you can make up your own mind XD!
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you are free to do what you want, but this is a problem that I have observed on computer controlled machinery in wash bay application (humid environment) there was actually more humidity going into the electronics when customers covered the machinery with plastic air tight covers when compared to customer who only used them straight with no protection and left the machines to dry afterwards!
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lol wut? only explanation is your customer sealed the cover when it's warm and wet. later on things cool down and condensation forms.
so guys, do not open & close your nexus 4 waterproof case when you are in a wet wash bay... wait I can't believe I actually drew a conclusion :silly:
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lol wut? only explanation is your customer sealed the cover when it's warm and wet. later on things cool down and condensation forms.
so guys, do not open & close your nexus 4 waterproof case when you are in a wet wash bay... wait I can't believe I actually drew a conclusion :silly:
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Yep thats exactly how i ended my post
"Putting your phone into a case while in a humid environment then moving to a cold one would fog up the inside. Nothing else can really"
i think he went tl;dr on my 3 line post
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drawkcaB said:
Yep thats exactly how i ended my post
"Putting your phone into a case while in a humid environment then moving to a cold one would fog up the inside. Nothing else can really"
i think he went tl;dr on my 3 line post
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ok let me get back to the basics, condensation is created from humidity, humidity is a term we use to describe how much water is in the air (because there is always water in the air) so that means that you can be in a dry room in California and there is still some water in your air (maybe not a lot but some)!
Now because you obviously don't know how to do a simple google research before talking, here let me google that for you !
p.s: new members cant link so i had to space them sorry!
this link here is very short and straight to the point:
https : // www . educate-sustainability.eu/portal/content/interstitial-condensation
here is another example of a totally different application where condensation is observed in an air/water- tight environment ( conservatory windows):
http : // www . conservatoriesprices.org.uk/tips-for-preventing-condensation-on-my-conservatory-windows/
there are lots more examples like watches that can sometimes still create some small amount of condensation with an unbroken air/water seal (this is rarely the case because watches generate very little heat so they adapt to the surrounding temperature easily)
now im not saying his phone will break because he uses an airtight case, i was simply saying, hey if your gonna use one be mindful of condensation ! thats all.
Now there are forums on the net where ppl are cool and share information and help each other and others where ppl just flame each other. dont worry i learned my lesson trying to be nice here. I wont bother posting anymore ill keep to myself and stay in the development parts of this forum.
thank you good day
R3druMz said:
ok let me get back to the basics, condensation is created from humidity, humidity is a term we use to describe how much water is in the air (because there is always water in the air) so that means that you can be in a dry room in California and there is still some water in your air (maybe not a lot but some)!
Now because you obviously don't know how to do a simple google research before talking, here let me google that for you !
p.s: new members cant link so i had to space them sorry!
this link here is very short and straight to the point:
https : // www . educate-sustainability.eu/portal/content/interstitial-condensation
here is another example of a totally different application where condensation is observed in an air/water- tight environment ( conservatory windows):
http : // www . conservatoriesprices.org.uk/tips-for-preventing-condensation-on-my-conservatory-windows/
there are lots more examples like watches that can sometimes still create some small amount of condensation with an unbroken air/water seal (this is rarely the case because watches generate very little heat so they adapt to the surrounding temperature easily)
now im not saying his phone will break because he uses an airtight case, i was simply saying, hey if your gonna use one be mindful of condensation ! thats all.
Now there are forums on the net where ppl are cool and share information and help each other and others where ppl just flame each other. dont worry i learned my lesson trying to be nice here. I wont bother posting anymore ill keep to myself and stay in the development parts of this forum.
thank you good day
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Sorry man i didnt mean to offend you. And yes i know what condensation and air humidity is. In fact i know that a moajority of air by weight is indeed water (vapor obviously) i live in india where the humidity hits 78%+. Out in cali i know its less and by less id say in the 50s to 60s.
Condensation happens when warm air which can hold more moisture hits a colder surface and drops the moisture (thats the same concept as rain). Now if you case up your phone in a reasonably dry place and you head out so long as your case isnt super cold which is unlikely youre much more likely to fog up its outside than its inside.
(at this point i read your link)
ok man look at the diagram you have high vapor content hitting the wall. If you sit in your bedroom and put on a airtight case which sits snug enough your case and phone will heat up to within a few degrees of each other which is not going to trigger condensation unless it was packed in a high moisture environment. It simply cannot hit the dew point like that. package your phone in summer and take it out in winter yes. Can happen. But if you packaged it somewhere reasonably dry youre good to go.
Peace r3d we are both on the same team here. Two guys trying to be helpful.
If you are going swimming, use a waterproof case. Science! There is such a thing as over thinking things.
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Hi all, before you say it, I know, should ahve been more carefull.
Ok, I was talking to a friend whilst peeing ( i know them enough )
The xda2 slipped from under my chin into the loo bowl, I've got it drying out gently on a radiator with a towl inbetween so as not to get to hot.
What do you think the chances areof a recovery ??
P.S i've removed the cover and battery to aid the drying out :?
TIA
i would just allow it to dry for as long as it takes... do not attempt to power it up before then as you might short something out. you dropped it in pee? ewww!
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i would just allow it to dry for as long as it takes... do not attempt to power it up before then as you might short something out. you dropped it in pee? ewww!
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Thanks and yeah, i'm the one who's gotta live with it ...lol
if you have warranty, bring it back claiming the device smells awfully!!
no kidding: Let it all dry BEFORE you power anything up!
BTW: because the device has a backup-battery the device might allready be harmed.
TThe ting may well work if you give it long enough to dry out; If it is out of warranty you will be better off to dismantle it and dry the pieces out individually, they will dry out quicker that way.
However; was the water the unit got dupped in clean?? (Pee contains uric acid, which is acidic as the name suggests) if not you are advised to gently clean the cct boards before the copper tracks and solder points start to corrode. The best way I have found of doing this is to use a mild soapy water with a very soft toothbrush (use a neutral soap like dove)
Than make sire all the bits are perfectly dry, i would give them a couple of days if it is in kit form. Put it together and cross your fingers.
Note: the very small surface mounted ic's these days have a tiny airgap behind them, this is very very good at holding water in because of it's small size. Try wrapping each individual piece in a tea towel and whirling it round a couple of times to drive out the excess water...
and use some spray that is meant for circuitry boards or electronic equipment in general. That stuff drives the water right out !
lol my too got wet.
what happened to my xda was.
(well it din't slip in the loo)
actually i kept in on my bed and wen't to pee after coming out i was shocked to see what was happening right before my eye's.
my son he's 2 1/2 years old.
was having a bottle of water in his hand and before i could do anything he just emptyed it on the xda
first thing i did was removed the battery and open'd the device and ran and got hair drier use'd it on the device for fifteen minute's on low blow.
waited for 45 minutes with fingers crossed and guess what it worked after a few attempts of using the power switch.
lucky me lol.
there wa a nice walkthrough about opening your xdaII :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=8525
but the picture have disappeared. I just noticed :-(
if anyone still has them could he repost?
Well thanks for the hints, tips and stories, my xda is still under warrenty and i have insurance that covers for accidents, so if worst comes to worst i should get a replacement.
Thanks again
I dropped my jabra in the loo that was full (say no more) and had to wash it in clean water - let it dry out and it still works (this was about 8 months ago and it's still going strong)
Pee contains uric acid, which is acidic as the name suggests)
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And the moral of the story is drink 20lt of water a day to make your pee less acidic.
was having a bottle of water in his hand and before i could do anything he just emptyed it on the XDA
first thing i did was removed the battery and open'd the device and ran and got hair drier use'd it on the device for fifteen minute's on low blow.
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The first thing you should have done was to send him to the naughty step!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:
OK, I triedputting the battery in this morning after a night drying out, all i get is the blue light ( wireless ) and bothe the phonelights, red and green at the same time, nothing else works, power, soft reset, hard reset, nothing
I have the unit insured for accidental and theft / loss, will Ibe able to go straight to the o2 shop or will i have to go through a third party ???
TIA
EDIT: i've seen a ' how to ' guide for stripping down the xda2 somewhere, can't find it at the mo, could someone post the link for me please
I'm off on holiday soon and would like to take my phone to the beach with me. As I'm not happy leaving it on it's own on the beach while I have fun in the sea, I'm wondering about taking it in with me! With some protection of course...
So I'm thinking of getting a plastic freezer bag with a silica sachet and putting the phone in that and tying a knot. Then buying a specialist waterproof bag and putting the phone / bag inside that. Then with the cord of the bag, I'd attach it to my shorts and put it in a closable pocket.
Seems to me quite a 'watertight' plan!
Are there any issues I should be aware of with condensation etc., any other risks etc?
And does anyone know how water will affect the phone microwaves? Don't want them being amplified or something and starting to cook me like a poached egg.
Biffy said:
I'm off on holiday soon and would like to take my phone to the beach with me. As I'm not happy leaving it on it's own on the beach while I have fun in the sea, I'm wondering about taking it in with me! With some protection of course...
So I'm thinking of getting a plastic freezer bag with a silica sachet and putting the phone in that and tying a knot. Then buying a specialist waterproof bag and putting the phone / bag inside that. Then with the cord of the bag, I'd attach it to my shorts and put it in a closable pocket.
Seems to me quite a 'watertight' plan!
Are there any issues I should be aware of with condensation etc., any other risks etc?
And does anyone know how water will affect the phone microwaves? Don't want them being amplified or something and starting to cook me like a poached egg.
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It sounds like a good water tight plan but still a big big risk anything could happen whilst you are in the water but i do see your point, at the end of the day its up to you and the phones are not very condensation friendly
Stick it in a condom. Wash it first so your phone don't get greasy. Tie a knot in the top and cut of the excess.
Freezer bags spit easily at the seams.
Depending on the type of touch screen you have it may not work through the rubber.
Just don't let anyone see you doing it. They will laugh and point and you will never hear the end of it.
The best tip I found is:
Do not take your expensive HTC device to the beach/pool, instead take that ugly old nokia you have and bring it...
So I have a question about using my tablet while it is raining. First of all, I know its not the greatest idea in the world, and I know it COULD damage it. But here is my question.
How hard would it have to be raining, before it would be a cause of concern? Rain can come at anytime, and sometimes you can not avoid it... Surely designers have kept this in mind, and have done their best... But as I said before, how hard would it have to be raining, before worrying that it will damage the tablet? Thanks in advance for answers...
If you need more detail, I will be happy to supply it. But I would please like to get a general idea... Also, does the Note 10.1 have a water damage sticker, or indicator anywhere on the exterior of the device? Or is it on the battery like most other things in the world?
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Rapth said:
So I have a question about using my tablet while it is raining. First of all, I know it's not the greatest idea in the world, and I know it COULD damage it. But here is my question.
How hard would it has to be raining, before it would be a cause of concern? Rain can come at anytime, and sometimes you can not avoid it... Surely designers have kept this in mind, and have done their best... But as I said before, how hard would it have to be raining, before worrying that it will damage the tablet? Thanks in advance for answers...
If you need more detail, I will be happy to supply it. But I would please like to get a general idea... Also, does the Note 10.1 have a water damage sticker, or indicator anywhere on the exterior of the device? Or is it on the battery like most other things in the world?
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The note 10.1 is built pretty tight from the front, so where i would be worried are the open areas like the headphone jack, speakers, charging port, etc. Also, if you have a cover or case that might prevent some water form going through. Any electronic should not get it's components wet, so the best advice i can give is avoid water as much as possible.
ebahena said:
The note 10.1 is built pretty tight from the front, so where i would be worried are the open areas like the headphone jack, speakers, charging port, etc. Also, if you have a cover or case that might prevent some water form going through. Any electronic should not get it's components wet, so the best advice i can give is avoid water as much as possible.
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I am not so worried about the charging port, as its on the bottom of the device, and is covered by hands, and I watch the area for rain running down. As for the headphone jack, I never use it, not that big of a deal. I can't really protect the speakers... The amount of rain I am talking is like, light, to moderate. Not down pouring, and not drenching the device in water. As I said before, I understand that its something I should probably not do, as there is a chance of danger. I am simply asking how much rain would be required to cause damage? Its a portable device, and its going to be used, rain, shine, or snow, as long as its not hailing outside, or a blizzard. Basically weather I would be willing to stand in, would be weather the device would be exposed to.
I am simply wondering the probability of damage being caused in light to moderate rain fall. It's hard to explain. Where I live, the weather changes randomly, it will rain for ten minutes, than stop. Than a few hours later, will begin raining again. I play a game that requires me to be outside, if its lightly, or moderately raining, I don't want to have to stop, than go back out, if I do not have to.
I appreciate your answer, but I feel I need more detail. The amount of rain it has been exposed to, is no more than splashes, and it is not raining hard enough for water to be running all over my device.
Condensation could trigger the water damage indicators and void warranty .
But that is the same for many devices .
Note is not waterproof and user guide probably says don't use in wet condition's .
jje
I'm worried about meteor strikes, I know it's not likely but it can happen.....:silly:
But really, if it looks like rain then why chance it if you're worried. All it takes is a quick look at the sky to see if there might be a downpour...
I generally carry my note in a backpack, it has a case and the chances of it getting soaked are negligable...
I thought I would make a quick post to provide some encouragement for those who may water damaged phones. Took mine swimming the other day. Phone fell out of my pocket and drifted down to the deepest end of the pool 8+'. Fortunately I discovered the phone before I got out of the pool.
I ran down to the hardware store and bought a bag of powder dehydration powder used for drawing humidity out of the air. I combined this powder with a bag of white rice in an airtight container (may seem like overkill but this worked much better then the typical prescribed method).
Any how, I removed the battery, took the screws out of the inner housing assembly popped the assembly without completely disassembling. I then wrapped the phone in a couple of coffee filters to prevent any of the powder from entering the phone.
I put the filter wrapped phone in the powder over night, sealed the container and left overnight. When I awoke I had a completely dry phone.
When I attempted to reboot the phone, the phone booted, but the touch screen didn't work.
After watching a video on Youtube (disassembly guide) I completely disassembled the phone. Working with 99% Iso alcohol and some small brushes, I completely cleaned the interior of the phone assembly including the main board, all connectors (paying very close attention to the pin assemblies). I found quite a bit of white corrosion inside the pin assemblies for the connectors and on much of the components. I assume this was residual chlorine from the pool water. After thoroughly cleaning all components, board etc. I carefully reassembled the phone per the instructions in the video.
Once the phone was buttoned up and recharged, I rebooted the phone. The phone booted right up. Everything worked perfectly, with the exception of the camera (wouldn't focus right). I disassembled the in housing again and took the camera out again. After inspecting, I realized I hadn't cleaned the interior of the plastic cover that protects the camera. After booting again, camera worked perfectly.
I would highly encourage anyone who mistakenly immerses their phone in water to at minimum use the powder and rice mixture w/partial disassembly. This worked exceptionally well compared to simply removing the battery and placing in rice.
If your patient and willing to follow directions, I found the thorough disassembly and cleaning process to be quite informative and rewarding, and I got a working phone out of the deal.
Don't recommend getting your phone wet, but if you do, take the initiative and try this yourself. Feel free to msg me if you have any questions
Good to hear that home solutions is still a viable way to fix electronic problems.
How long was it in the water for? I would have figured there was no way that phone would come back to life. Good to know.
Makes no difference if it was 10 seconds or 10 minutes. It doesn't get "wetter" being in longer.
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mine got wet 9 months ago and the op's steps that they took were similar to what I did and I can confirm that you can save your phone. My phone even got plugged in to the charger before i realized it was wet. Thanks op for posting this to help others out.
Hall, that cant be entirely true. Granted, either way is bad, but you can have more corrosion build up if it sat longer. Will 10 minutes do that much corrosion? still doubtful, but still can effect the phone differently. Also, depending on the case, it could take a little longer to access deeper in to the phone.
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BurningDog said:
How long was it in the water for? I would have figured there was no way that phone would come back to life. Good to know.
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Sorry for the late reply. Phone was about 9' deep for about 10 minutes. It was completely water logged. Funny thing was screen was still operational when I pulled from the water. I immediately pulled battery to prevent shorting.
I tend to think the amount of corrosion is relevant to the depth of water invasion and the amount of chemical or other component in the water. Mine was full of white corrosion. Under a magnifying glass I could see it everywhere. Any place i found it, I scrubbed with a fine brush and alcohol, specifically around the pins in the connectors. Be careful not to bend any though.
As far as components, they seem to be very well sealed. Nothing got into the camera, gyro etc. Speaker and phone jack both needed quite a bit of work, but eventually came clean.
Wouldn't suggest opening a phone for no reason, but it is actually quite interesting to see how small and well designed the components are, as well as to see how and where they are installed, gives one a much better understanding of how these things work.
Should I ever drop a phone in water again, I will certainly feel much more confident about my ability to revive it. Not good for the phone but certainly not a death certificate either. With a thorough cleaning your phone should work just fine again.
Edit: so I read the OP. Excellent job, with the exception of the rice. Leave it out next time. It's time to end the rice myth!
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For the love of God people, stop putting your wet phones in rice. I work at a repair shop and have worked on more water damaged phones than I can remember. Also, I come from a fobby Asian family and have carried(20+ lb bags)/washed/steamed/eaten a lot of rice.
First, rice doesn't just absorb moisture. If it's submerged in it, it will. It doesn't just pull it out of the air.
Second, when you put something wet in a container, or anywhere without good airflow it takes significantly longer for the water to evaporate. Take some wet clothes and put them in a bag. Even an open bag. See how long it takes compared to something like line drying.
Half the time someone leaves their phone in a rice filled container, the phone still has water in it 3-7 days later. The other half the water is gone, but it has accelerated damage from corrosion/rust.
Best thing to do with a water damaged android phone: take out the battery. Put it anywhere with a comfortable ambient temp and airflow, leaving the battery cover off. Leave it as long as you feel comfortable. Install new battery and back up your stuff.
At this point, you may need to clean everything with rubbing alcohol. If you don't feel comfortable doing that yourself, bring it to someone.
Sorry to rant but I'm just so sick of opening up wet phones and having people tell me "but I read it on the internet!"
Spread the word.
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Sorry to rant but I'm just so sick of opening up wet phones and having people tell me "but I read it on the internet!"
Spread the word.
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Everything on the internet is true though. Which is why I will now let everyone know. You all owe me money. Depending on your yearly net income.
20k and below. $10
50 - 70k $20
70 - 90k $50
90k and up $100.
You may pay me via PayPal.
This is on the internet. This is true. Good day!
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This video is for anybody doubting the strength of the S4, saying it poorly designed, and doubting all the stress testing Samsung put into the phone before releasing...well behold, a look in the official Samsung Stress Test Labs:
Give someone a dollar to drop theirs in a bucket of water.
Dang! Nice how you can see when dropped the "plastic" body everyone *****es about flexes to absorb the impact. And those screen break test had my nerves going a bit i was for sure expecting the screen to crack?
AnthomX said:
Give someone a dollar to drop theirs in a bucket of water.
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Water + electricity = bad
Impurities in water + water evaporating + micro electronics = broken
Really is that simple. Only way to water proof electronics is with conformal coatings then you induce heat issues and increase the size of the boards. There are water proof (well water resistant really) phones but they usually have a cost, spec and/or size tradeoff.
Seeing the video it looks like the phones will 'work' in a sense but obviously that is
1 a lab
2 not showing how long it will work
Usually the water
1 shorts the battery (not what happened there)
2 evaporates and leaves mineral deposits that shorts internal circuits
Obviously sometimes nothing bad happens. Personally I'll not take my chances lol.
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If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
video says that the actual quality\torture test may be different in "real" test environment and this is for commercial purpose only. So try not to believe it 100%. I'd still carry my phone like a baby.
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Water + electricity = bad
Impurities in water + water evaporating + micro electronics = broken
Really is that simple. Only way to water proof electronics is with conformal coatings then you induce heat issues and increase the size of the boards. There are water proof (well water resistant really) phones but they usually have a cost, spec and/or size tradeoff.
Seeing the video it looks like the phones will 'work' in a sense but obviously that is
1 a lab
2 not showing how long it will work
Usually the water
1 shorts the battery (not what happened there)
2 evaporates and leaves mineral deposits that shorts internal circuits
Obviously sometimes nothing bad happens. Personally I'll not take my chances lol.
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Lol, hence me offering a dollar. I would love to have a "waterproof" phone, but in reality I'm not dealing with freshwater so it would have to hold up to salt. Which is disappointung that nobody has come out with a decent waterproof case for our phones. Instead concentrating on apple. Sigh....
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i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
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Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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Please, you,re telling this to a guy that studied electrical engineering for 2 semesters in college. This has nothing to do with shorting out the battery, or components, this has to do with the phone being sealed in a proper way so this DOESN'T happen. Thats the point of the test. Plus, water is a TERRIBLE conductor of electricity, only the minerals in water make it conductive. This test was probably done in distilled water which has ZERO conductivity, so it could pretty much stay in water for minutes without shorting out the phone. Somebody in detroit, and somebody in California would not have the same chances of saving their phone if dropped, one has fresh water and the other salt water, and salt water is a good conductor
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This video is for anybody doubting the strength of the S4, saying it poorly designed, and doubting all the stress testing Samsung put into the phone before releasing...well behold, a look in the official Samsung Stress Test Labs:
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yeah.. that is like saying Toyota brakes problems never existed! do a video AFTER the brakes been fixed!
scott14719 said:
If it's on the Internet, it must be true. :laugh:
I really do think that these phones are stressed tested pretty good, but I also think the makers of that video might have exaggerated just a bit too. I don't think the water test accurately reflects what would happen IRL to your phone an I wouldn't recommend anyone try it
Thanks for posting the video..
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polish_pat said:
i'm not too sure how they could of exaggerated the test, its pretty straight forward to me, submerge phone in water for 15 seconds, take it out. There are countless videos on youtube showing water drop tests, they all come to the same conclusion, the phone can survive the drop in water, it might just not survive when the water starts to evaporate and leave residues on the circuit board and hardware.if you leave it like that, if you put it in a bag of rice overnight, you have decent chances of rescuing it
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scott14719 said:
Rescuing a phone or bringing it back to life after it drops into water if proper care is taken is one thing. The phone actually continuing to work while water is in contact with the battery and circuits is something different. Electronics (unless treated with sealant) simply do not work that way.
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polish_pat said:
Please, you,re telling this to a guy that studied electrical engineering for 2 semesters in college. This has nothing to do with shorting out the battery, or components, this has to do with the phone being sealed in a proper way so this DOESN'T happen. Thats the point of the test. Plus, water is a TERRIBLE conductor of electricity, only the minerals in water make it conductive. This test was probably done in distilled water which has ZERO conductivity, so it could pretty much stay in water for minutes without shorting out the phone. Somebody in detroit, and somebody in California would not have the same chances of saving their phone if dropped, one has fresh water and the other salt water, and salt water is a good conductor
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I'm not sure if you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing but I clearly said I think the test might have been exaggerated. Your response was that you didn't think it was (your first bolded quote) and then you turn around and say it might have been (your second bolded quote where you said it might have been distilled water instead of regular water)? Using a non-common type of water sure looks like they might be exaggerating real life outcomes to me (as I said in my first bolded quote).
So I'm not sure but it looks like you are arguing with yourself?
My buddy drop tested my phone at the bar the other night. 5 drops at about 4 feet high face down. Not a scratch or crack on the screen. Only thing was the bezel on the corner is a little bent when it didn't fall flat on its face one drop. No case or screen protector. This thing is a tank
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imitenotbecrazy said:
My buddy drop tested my phone at the bar the other night. 5 drops at about 4 feet high face down. Not a scratch or crack on the screen. Only thing was the bezel on the corner is a little bent when it didn't fall flat on its face one drop. No case or screen protector. This thing is a tank
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That was a potentially expensive test. The bar musta been hopping. :laugh:
Haha I work for best buy so I have our geek squad protection. Being that the phone is so new I wouldn't get a refurb if it broke. I won't have the phone long enough to care about having a refurb if that happens anyway haha
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netnerd said:
yeah.. that is like saying Toyota brakes problems never existed! do a video AFTER the brakes been fixed!
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i'm pretty sure this video was done weeks if not months before the s4 came out. Thats the whole point of stress testing.
scott14719 said:
I'm not sure if you are just trying to argue for the sake of arguing but I clearly said I think the test might have been exaggerated. Your response was that you didn't think it was (your first bolded quote) and then you turn around and say it might have been (your second bolded quote where you said it might have been distilled water instead of regular water)? Using a non-common type of water sure looks like they might be exaggerating real life outcomes to me (as I said in my first bolded quote).
So I'm not sure but it looks like you are arguing with yourself?
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No, thats because you have such a closed mind, you don't get the point of the test. ITS NOT ABOUT DROPPING THE TEST IN WATER AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO SHORT, ITS ABOUT SEEING HOW WELL THE PHONE IS SEALED AKA WATER NOT GOING UNDER LCD, AKA WATER NOT PENETRATING CAMERA LENS.........ETC. Do you get it yet? They are eliminating variables like conductivity to see how well the phone hold up against infiltration. If the phone holds up well against that, it doesn't matter if its dropped in a base solution or in acid.
I don't know about you guys, but all my toilets are filled strictly with distilled water.
Samsung has more money invested in phone dropping contraptions than every house on my block is worth.
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But...but...all the HTC fanboys say that the S4 is some cheap plastic crap. :/
polish_pat said:
No, thats because you have such a closed mind, you don't get the point of the test. ITS NOT ABOUT DROPPING THE TEST IN WATER AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO SHORT, ITS ABOUT SEEING HOW WELL THE PHONE IS SEALED AKA WATER NOT GOING UNDER LCD, AKA WATER NOT PENETRATING CAMERA LENS.........ETC. Do you get it yet? They are eliminating variables like conductivity to see how well the phone hold up against infiltration. If the phone holds up well against that, it doesn't matter if its dropped in a base solution or in acid.
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Here is the website for those of us that don't speak Korean...
http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=24643
It says nothing about using any kind of special water for that test. And I am still calling Bul***t! How about filming yourself dunking your phone into regular tap water for the exact amount of time that was done in that video and let's see the results? There is a thread about a guy that dropped his in water for a moment and he had to dry it out in rice for over 48+ hours before it worked properly again...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2318906
That is a real world result! And he was lucky it came back to life AFTER drying it out.