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Say Hello to a Confused and Recent HTC Convert

I just finally dumped Big Red and came over to AT&T (combined contracts with my wife). I'm going from the HTC Incredible and purchased the Sammy Captivate. I was very active back in the Dinc forum, and would consider myself "Advanced" - I did some development, but wasn't yet at the level of ROM Cooking.
I got over here to the Captivate - I'm confused as hell. I've followed my own advice and read forum after forum after forum before posting anything - the Cappy just seems like Greek to me.
Here's what I'm picking up:
1. GPS is spotty, but not for everyone. Mine has always been dead on, but then again I'm not a first-adopter of the Galaxy S. Perhaps it was a batch issue?
2. ROMs seem significantly harder to cook for the Cappy. I see a bunch of leaks from the Froyo build, but it looks half-done at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm running Cognition and I love it for day to day use. I had read a bit online about the lag issues, but I didn't imagine they would be *this* prominent even after rooting and removing bloatware.
That's about it, really. I'm checking back in the forums every day. I'm loving the hardware on this phone - the screen is fantastic, and when the Cappy is fast it's FAST. But I've gotta admit I'm fairly dissapointed thus far with some of the User Experience pieces. The Samsung overlay has some nice attributes (the swiping in Contacts is great, for one), but there are other bits that are wholly frustrating about this phone (WHY would they make the buttons at the bottom time out before the screen, forcing you to touch the screen to get the buttons lit up again??).
OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
I must apologize, this has turned from a general "how do you do" to a vent-fest. I'd love to hear from any experienced and new users alike. Thanks!

hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).

What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.

vbhines said:
What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.
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I haven't had any problems with Wifi and use WPA. I can see all of my networks (which are G, not N).
The button thing is kind of annoying, so I agree with you there. My GPS has been hit or miss, but I bought this phone used, so I'm not sure if it was a first batch model or not.
There's not much in the way of ROMs. There's stock and leaks, then there's Cognition and Eugene's, and that's about it. All of those are based on a leak or stock build, so they'll usually contain the same problems as the stock/leak build.
We're supposed to be getting a CyanogenMOD ROM sometime, or at least be able to port it...but I'm sure they can't do anything until Samsung releases the source for Froyo.

Anoter HTC convert here, but I came from the Pure.
GPS is definitely an issue. Mine improved with the OTA update to JH7. Its still not as accurate at highway speeds as the HTC.
HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.

vbhines said:
OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
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That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.

Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
The lag on the galaxy s phones is the result of samsung using rfs file system - rfs has a much slower input/output read/write than ext* file systems generally found on linux distros. This is the lag that is being refereed to in the lag fixes.
so as long as samsung continues to put out official roms with rfs file system there will always be an opportunity for a "lag fix" with ext2 (i.e. ryanza's OCLF) or ext4 (i.e. voodoo).

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GPS is hit or miss, but on the FroYo leak it has gotten much better, unfortunately Samsung released the phones with brand new hardware and apparently didn't test...
The lag is as mentioned another Samsung fubar along the lines of using an inferior file system.
I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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MikeyMike01 said:
That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.
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I've done a lot of research, and I alluded to that point in my post. Survey the *American* market and empirically you will see that of the slate Android phones, most have the buttons in the order Home, Menu, Back, Search. And I would argue that it has everything to do with Samsung - unless you're implying that someone else designed the layout of the buttons on their device. After all, they are the reason the European variant of the i9000 has three buttons like the X10, correct?
Krad said:
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Funny.
dayv said:
Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
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Thanks, dayv. That's a good explanation and gives me some idea of where to go from here.
As for an update, turns out the WiFi issues were strictly hardware. After putting in a bridge with my FiOS router and still not getting any improvement, I took it back to Best Buy and swapped it out. Connected the second I got home. Unfortunately, the touch buttons were totally borked and I had to do a battery pull three times in 20 minutes because apparently the buttons would "touch themselves when they thought of me." In other words, you could see the buttons flash on and off, feel the haptic go crazy, and all kinds of strange stuff on the screen. Yet another swapout and I'm good to go.
I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.

sdotbrucato said:
I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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I imagine we can also add to this that the Captivate has only been out for not quite 3 months if I recall correctly. So between the newness and people holding their breath for Froyo I could understand people's hesitancy to invest a lot of time and energy in making a soon to be outdated ROM.

came from a tilt2 which is/was? still trying to develop android..it was pretty good but wow i can never go back to windows phone after that mess. freggin love this captivate thou...when it doesnt break lol. ive never had a phone that i seem to get ALL the known issues with and still decide to stick with getting a new one instead. I miss sense somedays but overall i still am willing to stick with a less "bogged down" OS that i can practically do the same with. if i can make the phone do what i need faster then screw the pretty screen gadgets lol

hokiemiata said:
HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.
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I'm sorry but I to came from the htc aria, awesome little phone. I bought the aria because I thought the sense ui was pretty awesome. After using Cyanogen mods on the aria and playing with other launchers and now playing with tw launcher, sorry but sense ui is crap and for noobs . I got over the whole sense ui about a week of owning the aria and wasn't able to use it after adw and launcher pro.
Sorry had to post it. I just don't feel you can use an androids phone ui to bash another phone. I have only seen a few who use any androids phone stock ui any way and I'm one of them and as basic as it is it still makes sense ui look a babies toy.
Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast

bytemare said:
hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?

bigdaddy4u said:
Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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Not a chance lol the aria is awesome for its size but doesn't come close to the captivate , that's just my imo though. Only problem I have had with captivate is gps and I really don't use gps, so not that big of deal. The aria, like I said awesome for its size, just has to small of processor to do what the captivate can do. Most things lag on the aria games and movies almost un playable. I love my captivate.
I had bought an iphone4 for my wife to replace her old iphone. Well long story short , I turned a "i will not use anything else but iphone ! " the iphone 4 went back two weeks of having it cause of to many problems to we booth own captivates now and shes sold.
Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast

besides the gps.... i am very satisfied. here is why.....
I woke up this morning and opened allshare to stream music from my synology diskstation. Got in the car and loaded up bluetooth to my moto speakerphone/radio transmitter. Put my captivate in my proclipusa mount and Loaded up pandora to stream to my car stereo... Loaded up the navigation for testing purposes and was on my way...
Both worked without issue on the commute in.. rocking to guerrillla radio and limp bizkit. Got some tweets and emails... and the phone took it like... IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!!!
My blackberry 9700 would have exploded and for sure the "r" key would have flew straight into my forehead... where then people would ask me why i have an R indented in my head... is it for Retard?
I rate the phone 95% out of 100%. If you really have that much to complain about then you will never be happy with any phone.....
p.s. - for people who have captivates that reboot or shutoff, that has to be a defect and you need to get it replaced. My phone has never rebooted or shutoff by itself.
p.s.s. Gps isn't great... but the phone does everything else i need really well.
rant over.

vbhines said:
I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.
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If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.

bigdaddy4u said:
Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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That's an interesting question. The aria costs a lot less than the captivate. As far as hardware goes, the captivate is superior: 16 GB RAM, the screen is awesome, the speaker is better (ringtones sound nicer) and the quality of phone calls, at least for me, is a lot better than the aria. Oh and the camera is LOT better on the captivate. I haven't had issues with the GPS (the aria locked on a little faster, but captivate performs well). The issues with wireless for me are really frustrating, but others don't seem to have an issue (wireless sometimes works, sometimes doesn't even though it's connected, I have no idea why).
Based on my experience, I'd rather have the captivate. It definitely takes more tweaking than the aria but in the 1 week I've had it, I think I got everything worked out. I definitely liked the sense UI and email client on the aria, but I can live with the UI and stuff on the captivate considering how much better the hardware is.
If anyone has any idea about how to fix wireless, I'd really appreciate it.

Yeah I'm not gonna lie, we really don't have much of choice on at&t . To me we only have two choices right now Aria or captivate. If at&t got a htc equivalent to the captivate then I would have a hard choice .
Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast

wmwilker said:
If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.
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Thanks for the tip! I've never met a ROM that I wouldn't reflash if something else came along. I will try it out later tonight. Do you happen to know if the Twiz mods for custom fonts will flash ok?
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Looks like the Sensation is going back

It's sad to say that the Sensation is far from Sensational.
Today I've probably used the phone the most out of the 4 days I've had it and it's been issue after issue.
Firstly, I added some more music to the phone, it refused to group the albums properly. Reset the cache and this caused all sound alerts and notifications to go haywire, resetting them to random tracks from my music collection.
Secondly, after resetting the ID3 tags several times with different software I'm now left with my music completely fragmented, the worst is an album of 42 tracks which the phone displays as 28 separate albums of the same name.
Also, I've been experiencing a lot of signal dropouts today. (Other phone on same network sat next to it on full signal)
On top of this, numerous "little things", e.g. interface is slow and unresponsive compared to SGS and SGS2, battery life is pretty rubbish when doing anything but standby, many default Android software stripped out.
I called HTC support, they didn't even know what model the phone was from the IMEI and could not offer any assistance with any issues. I asked if there were any planned software updates and the response was, "you already have the latest Android software 2.3"
It's a real shame because the design of the phone and the screen are superb, but HTC's software is terrible.

This is why I'm waiting till it's rooted and unlocked. Custom ROMs always fix such issues.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
This is why I'm waiting till it's rooted and unlocked. Custom ROMs always fix such issues.
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With the new bootloader, it could never happen?

Initial units could be buggy. You may try replacing this.

Woov. "..but HTC's software is terrible"
I'm really suprised to see that comment for an HTC phone. HTC's good at software. At least that's how they're known in many years.
Sorry but these little issues could happen on first units. I'm sure HTC's gonna fix these issues wiith updates. Right now you can use different music player and home launcher. Hope you can solve them.

Philio25 said:
Secondly, after resetting the ID3 tags several times with different software I'm now left with my music completely fragmented, the worst is an album of 42 tracks which the phone displays as 28 separate albums of the same name.
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Aww, I hate it when that happens to my iTunes library
I don't know what you mean about the interface being slow and unresponsive though. Granted, I'm using Launcher Pro rather than the stock launcher (mainly because I like to have a 5x7 grid to play with) but when I was using stock it seemed pretty speedy to me. The rest of the phone is definitely lightning fast.
I've been pleased with the battery life too. It's beating what I used to get on my Nexus One, and that always seemed enough for me.
As for stripped out software, I wouldn't mind swapping back to the stock android messaging app. But I prefer the Sense contacts and dialler. Not sure what else has changed really
Anyway, sad to see you're not enjoying it like I am

try to pull up your music on your PC in a tag editing program & see if it's all different in there. I use mp3tag to edit all of my music to match perfectly.

Figure_desire said:
Woov. "..but HTC's software is terrible"
I'm really suprised to see that comment for an HTC phone. HTC's good at software. At least that's how they're known in many years.
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It reminds me of the Touch Pro 2, granted it was Windows which sucked ass, but HTC released the first version of the "full" Sense Skin as an update and it totally killed the phone. The software simply required power the hardware couldn't deliver.
To give you an example, I showed the phone to a guy on my dev team today who's not really very interested in phones. His first comment was "how come the Android UI isn't as smooth and fluid as the iPhone?" then I showed him the SGS running stock Gingerbread and he thought it was much smoother.
If you run this phone side by side with the Samsung devices, they piss all over it for UI speed and responsiveness, even the single core SGS1.

xnifex said:
try to pull up your music on your PC in a tag editing program & see if it's all different in there. I use this to edit all of my music to match perfectly.
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I've finally solved this one, it's due to the "Artist Album" tag which MUST be the same for all songs or HTC's player thinks they are in different albums.
Strange thing is this tag is not editable in any of my editors, but you can edit it via Windows Explorer.

The fact you mentioned the letters s g s and the number 2 ensures this thread will soon descend to fanboy central......
Regards.

lynxboy said:
The fact you mentioned the letters s g s and the number 2 ensures this thread will soon descend to fanboy central......
Regards.
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Damn, what happened to the good old days when that would only happen when someone mentioned "I" and "Phone" in the same sentence.

Philio25 said:
It reminds me of the Touch Pro 2, granted it was Windows which sucked ass, but HTC released the first version of the "full" Sense Skin as an update and it totally killed the phone. The software simply required power the hardware couldn't deliver.
To give you an example, I showed the phone to a guy on my dev team today who's not really very interested in phones. His first comment was "how come the Android UI isn't as smooth and fluid as the iPhone?" then I showed him the SGS running stock Gingerbread and he thought it was much smoother.
If you run this phone side by side with the Samsung devices, they piss all over it for UI speed and responsiveness, even the single core SGS1.
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Agree with you. That's a fact.
According to earlier HTC phones everyone knows Sense UI isnt that smooth but it is pretty fast and stable. That's another fact. For me speed and stability is more important. If there is a problem with them and you're saying there is, I have a problem too. I'm sure HTC is gonna fix these things. Because dual core is new and Android 2.3 doesn't support it naturally. So it needs time. But you're right there shouldn't be any lag on dual core phone like this.

Op has to understand that bugs are usually associated with early adaptors. Wouldn't hurt to do a swap.
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intruda119 said:
Op has to understand that bugs are usually associated with early adaptors. Wouldn't hurt to do a swap.
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But wouldn't a new device have the same issues?

philio are you serious?
i have the tbolt, and i love my phone, but when looking at sensation's specs, it really does blow my bolt away..
however my gf is planning on getting the sensation when it releases.
My point of view is, that if your submerge into the root world, a little drops here and there shouldn't be a big deal, as we all know there will be updates to fix this, not to mention your phone is future proofed for the next two years..
everyone only focuses on the negative but never the positive.. i think the only other phone in the market that is better then the sensation is sgs2.. and thats not even close to being out in the US..
enjoy your 2.3 ginger bread, 3.0 sense.. Unlike you, the majority of us HTCers are now just starting to use the leaked 2.3 and its not completely reliable, as well as using work in progess 3.0 sense which is not a complete port.
consider yourself very lucky to be using an HTC with technology that the rest of us are still waiting on..
spread the love not the hate, because people will always find something to ***** about..

I've come from a galaxy s, even with gingerbread on it I still much prefer my sensation, sure there will be bugs, like any new release, but I find the sensation a lot more of a polished experience, I'm actually using a lot more features getting more out of android than I did on the galaxy s.

Philio25 said:
With the new bootloader, it could never happen?
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Oh yes it will, as some others with similar having already been cracked.
This game is nothing new and even before Android, HTC played this same game with WM devices and they would also get cracked.

Philio25 said:
If you run this phone side by side with the Samsung devices, they piss all over it for UI speed and responsiveness, even the single core SGS1.
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Being a SGS owner I really hope you're not saying the Sensation is as, or even more, laggy than a single core Galaxy S. That would be a huge disappointment.

Try mp3tag which is free and lets you edit all tags. Works for me

samnada said:
Being a SGS owner I really hope you're not saying the Sensation is as, or even more, laggy than a single core Galaxy S. That would be a huge disappointment.
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That is because he is comparing it to an SGS running AOSP Gingerbread which is completely tweaked in every way to optimize the ROM. Apples and oranges, apples and oranges. Imagine this phone with CM7 on it (which is what I'm sure his SGS is running). Can you say Sensation = M3, SGS = scooter?
Sucks it's not working out, but how you like a phone is ALL relative to what YOU like and feel about it.

How is CM7 on the mT4G?

Hello,
I currently have a SGS i9000, and was thinking of trading it for one of these phones as I'm not really content with the dead end Sammy is providing, and with the RIL and Camera being closed, CM7 is battery consuming and not very stable.
So I was wondering, is it any better here?

Lesiroth said:
Hello,
I currently have a SGS i9000, and was thinking of trading it for one of these phones as I'm not really content with the dead end Sammy is providing, and with the RIL and Camera being closed, CM7 is battery consuming and not very stable.
So I was wondering, is it any better here?
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are you kidding?
CM7 is like THE BEST AOSP ROM out there for the Glacier.
it's
very FAST
very STABLE
very BATTERY EFFICIENT
i don't know what they did with Samsungs, but Cyanogen Team did a very good job on the Glacier.

I'm using CM7 since 2 month now and I have no issue.
Like saranhai has said, CM7 (actually 7.1.0) is stable, fast and work very well on the Panache / MyTouch4G / glacier.
Regards.

my personal opinion, AOSP blows everything else out of the water. Ive been running CM7 nightlies for months now with little to no issues. Sure Ill flash a different rom here and there just to change things up a bit or try something new, but I always fall back to CM7. Like the others said, its fast, stable, and great on battery life. It might look plain and boring when you first boot up, but there are so many things you can customize to get your "perfect" look. If you want more stability tho, CM7 7.1 is what youre looking for. Although I havent had any issues with the latest Nightly 252...but yeah CM7 on the MT4G is a beast

Well for the SGS, it's not CM team's fault. Samsung unfortunately use components that need proprietary files to work and so it's hard to work with them.
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?

Lesiroth said:
Well for the SGS, it's not CM team's fault. Samsung unfortunately use components that need proprietary files to work and so it's hard to work with them.
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?
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I cant really compare them both as the myTouch is my first android device and Ive never really messed with a SGS...but I have heard some bad things about MOST samsung phones(gps issues, lag, etc..) I think the switch will be well worth it, but with quad core cell phones on the horizon you might want to wait it out, unless you can get a Glacier for dirt cheap

Lesiroth said:
Well for the SGS, it's not CM team's fault. Samsung unfortunately use components that need proprietary files to work and so it's hard to work with them.
So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?
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my dad has an SGS, but i've never flashed CM7 to it before (seems like too much work, and very confusing )
but if you ask me, i would say that the switch is worth it. the Glacier, like all HTC devices may be harder to obtain root, but afterwards, flashing is VERY easy (no need to mess with bootloaders/odin/modems or whatever).
but there is ONE bad thing that you may want to consider:
since the Galaxy S is such a popular device and is an international device, it has WAYY more development than the Glacier does. Galaxy S has a HUGE community. but that's pretty small, sometimes having too many rom choices is bad

Flashing it is not THAT hard IMO.
Obviously if I had the money I'd get a much higher-end phone but I'm a broke college student and I can trade phones without paying money so if it's an upgrade I'll go for it.
I assume GPS is working fine, right? I practically had no GPS with how dodgy it was.
Regarding developer activity: Yes there is a lot but IMO there's nothing really different. 99% of the ROMs out there is just stock with some themes and tweaks. The other choice is just CM7/MIUI/early ICS ports, all of which will always face battery problems and camera issues.

Lesiroth said:
Flashing it is not THAT hard IMO.
Obviously if I had the money I'd get a much higher-end phone but I'm a broke college student and I can trade phones without paying money so if it's an upgrade I'll go for it.
I assume GPS is working fine, right? I practically had no GPS with how dodgy it was.
Regarding developer activity: Yes there is a lot but IMO there's nothing really different. 99% of the ROMs out there is just stock with some themes and tweaks. The other choice is just CM7/MIUI/early ICS ports, all of which will always face battery problems and camera issues.
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GPS works great.
Also, if you are trading your SGS for a MT4G, go for it! It is a definite upgrade. My dad has a SGS and I have a MT4G, and I definitely enjoy my phone much more than he does.

Lesiroth said:
Flashing it is not THAT hard IMO.
Obviously if I had the money I'd get a much higher-end phone but I'm a broke college student and I can trade phones without paying money so if it's an upgrade I'll go for it.
I assume GPS is working fine, right? I practically had no GPS with how dodgy it was.
Regarding developer activity: Yes there is a lot but IMO there's nothing really different. 99% of the ROMs out there is just stock with some themes and tweaks. The other choice is just CM7/MIUI/early ICS ports, all of which will always face battery problems and camera issues.
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i never had any problems with GPS on CM7.
haha well, i just got really confused with all the things you had to do, coming from an HTC device.

Thanks guys, I guess I'll go for it! One last question: How's the build quality? I hate the cheapy plastic feeling of my phone so I'm hoping this one's better in that regard as well.

Lesiroth said:
Thanks guys, I guess I'll go for it! One last question: How's the build quality? I hate the cheapy plastic feeling of my phone so I'm hoping this one's better in that regard as well.
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Stainless steel with a soft touch finish (no plastic). Hard buttons instead of soft, and a track pad. The headphone and lock button are also in a much nicer and more natural place than the SGS. Trackpad isn't that useful though.
However, this does make it heavier than the SGS.

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Trackpad isn't that useful though.
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I use it to wake my device instead of the power button.

After a year of use, my back and home menus squeek when used. Not bad but it is a build quality issue.

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After a year of use, my back and home menus squeek when used. Not bad but it is a build quality issue.
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After slightly more than a year of use (like +a week or two), none of my buttons squeak.

DKMikey said:
Stainless steel with a soft touch finish (no plastic). Hard buttons instead of soft, and a track pad. The headphone and lock button are also in a much nicer and more natural place than the SGS. Trackpad isn't that useful though.
However, this does make it heavier than the SGS.
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ah, but it is useful in recovery
if you've ever tried flashing a rom on a phone without trackpad, you'd know what i mean lol

saranhai said:
ah, but it is useful in recovery
if you've ever tried flashing a rom on a phone without trackpad, you'd know what i mean lol
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lol yes its very convenient, had an HD2 and it annoyed the hell out of me when flashing things

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lol yes its very convenient, had an HD2 and it annoyed the hell out of me when flashing things
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The MT4G has a touch recovery now.... So all that scrolling or volume pressing is a thing of the past!!!

My wife and I have both had the MyTouch 4g since Nov 2010 (rooted since July 2011) and I feel it was one of the best devices (along with the Evo 4g) up until these dual-core beasts like the HTC Amaze 4g started rolling out. But as far as single core cpus go, I wouldn't trade my phone for any other. I run CM7.1 currently and it's blazing fast, extremely stable, very customizable, and as smooth as you want it to be. I would strongly recommend the device and CM7.1.
Hope this helps

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So you guys think it's worth the switch from my SGS? Has anyone used both phones to compare?
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I bought the Samsung Galaxy S (Vibrant) from T-Mobile the first week or two when it came out, it replaced a G1. I used that phone up until a couple weeks ago, when I decided to sell it and use the money to buy a MT4G.
I was running CM 7.1 on the Vibrant and I was pretty unhappy with it. There were some pretty significant issues and they dropped official support for the device. Like you said, it's not CM's fault. For the Vibrant, Samsung/T-Mobile never released any kind of Gingerbread update. However, I was happier with CM 7.1 on the Vibrant than I was with the stock ROM, or any other ROMs that I had tried.
Considering that used Vibrants and MT4Gs were selling for about the same price on eBay/Craigslist, I jumped at the chance to get the MT4G. The MT4G is a little bit bigger, it weighs a little bit more, and the screen isn't quite as nice as it was on the Vibrant. However, CM 7.1 runs better, the GPS performance is better, battery usage seems to be less, and there's 256MB more of RAM for you to use.

[Q] How do you guys like your blaze? Worth the move from Vibrant?

Hi
I am a bit bored from my vibrant - especially when it comes to speed (despite running MIUI rom, which is quite snappy compared to stock).
How's the blaze? Worth the hassle? Speed demon? Or just ok?

Here's my take. Kinda drunka and all.
I came from the original Mt3g. 528mhz. Always cyanogenmod though.
Super fast phone. Fast network. The benchmarks that I run place the Blaze way at the top, though I don't know much about that stuff.
Once the ICS update happens if it does, or if an ICS rom happens I'll be thrilled. The phone has plenty of horsepower for me at least.

Being that i upgraded from a Motorola Defy that was even overclocked and still sucked....yea this phone is pretty damn nice. Super fast and no issues with mine. I'm waiting to root and do V6 and all that until ICS comes out so I don't have to go back to stock and all those other things for the real update to work, even with the bloat it does not slow this phone down.

i also came from a vibrant, cm9 and all.
its not that much quicker IMO
if i didnt get this phone for completely free, and had to use my upgrade for it, i would not have gotten it.
i wish the dev community for this phone was stronger but its all good.

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i also came from a vibrant, cm9 and all.
its not that much quicker IMO
if i didnt get this phone for completely free, and had to use my upgrade for it, i would not have gotten it.
i wish the dev community for this phone was stronger but its all good.
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there is only two ways that is gunna happen, either people step forward and start making things work, or you reach out to devs

The vibrant is out dated and can't come close to touching the blaze/mini s2
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA

I am also coming from the Vibrant to this, due to my Vibrant not charging anymore. i had an upgrade and will be getting this in the mail by friday. Im also looking to root and flash a custom rom, since i have heard battery life is terrible. If anyone has any advice, please message me.

I kinda regret buying it. I didn't really research the community involvement on the phone, or even really the phone at all. I usually do, but in my situation my previous phone (nexus one) died suddenly, and unexpectedly. I pretty much had to get a phone that day, and I initially balked at the idea of getting a phone that was much larger than what I had.
But, I also wasn't really feeling like dishing out $400+ up front for a phone, so the Blaze was naturally a good option for me, especially since I do prefer GSM phones (cdma networks don't work too well in a lot of buildings I am commonly in) and I was getting fed up with AT&T's slow data speeds.
So it was pretty much between this or an S2, and at the time, the phone was just too large.
Now that I've had the phone for a week or so, running the same OS as my previous phone (one I had for 2 years) while it's true this phone is much faster, I find myself kinda wishing I would have been able to have more of a "wow omg" feeling after owning it.
In short, I'm starting a cash fund just to keep handy for whenever the new nexus line of phone is released. I really preferred stock android before, and I would definitely still prefer it now.
I'd like to see tmobile push out ICS for the phone pretty soon, but seriously, they loaded this thing with so many junk apps, sometimes 2 or 3 apps that do the same freaking thing that android already does, so I'm thinking it's going to be 2 years before they actually push ICS to this phone.
I have removed a lot of the apps with titanium backup pro, but it makes NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL why a carrier would put so much crap on the phone. For crying out loud if I use the stock launcher that doesn't have the ability to hide apps you don't want to see, it took a good 2 minutes just to freaking find what you wanted!

I like being able to flash roms and customize my phone and im worried there isnt going to be much developer interest in this. The S2 was also too large for my liking, and I chose this last minute after my vibrant stopped charging.
What I dont understand is, why are people who dont even have this phone making roms for it? So far theres only 2 and neither of them work. Go figure....

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What I dont understand is, why are people who dont even have this phone making roms for it? So far theres only 2 and neither of them work. Go figure....
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I'm guessing because it seems like the number of users with this phone is rather small. There's lots of reasons for it. It's a new model, didn't it come out in March?
It's also available only on Tmobile, and reviewers do nothing but dump the phone in the lower tier bracket because there's nothing "special" about it. They are always like, "meh, it's not tablet sized, so who cares!"
Even the model number is confusing as all get out, not even Tmobile themselves can consistently distinguish between it and the other Samsung phones.

Good phone just as fast as the Galaxy S2 T989 just a smaller screen size otherwize specs are almost exactly the same except for the camera is a little better in the Galaxy S2.

i just picked up the galaxy s blaze as well from my friend. i have a quick question though. Does anyone else have a slight issue with the power button being a bit loose when pressed in towards the button?

I kinda wish I had the Blaze along with my S II. If I did, i would be using the Blaze almost all the time because it does the same thing that the S II does, but in a smaller design. LOL. You guys should be proud because some of the S II owners use the Blaze's modem. I use it. It's so much faster and better. I give the Blaze some Love.

So odd and random but i noticed today on T Mobile that the Vibrant is now listed as a phone to buy in the phones/upgrade section again lol and since I got my Blaze and have no discount they still think they are gonna get someone to pay 379 for that outdated POS..must have found some stashed in their inventory haha

Is there an official reason for the MT4G Slide not getting ICS/JB?

Hey all,
I am not a modder. I prefer my device to be stock as much as possible - I know, not very XDA-like. I am not averse to doing it if necessary.
TMo gave me the MT4G Slide as a replacement device for the MT4G which was having issues. It seems that neither phones are getting an ICS/JB update (as HTC hasn't mentioned it on their list of phones officially getting the update).
I'm curious as to any hardware constraints that the Doubleshot may have to have lead to this decision. Some folks have mentioned the amt. of storage being the issue, but seeing as how these devices contain a 4GB chip and HTC has been quoted saying that this unusable space is due to GB and Sense, is this reason validated? Would ICS+Sense be that much more huge vs. GB+Sense as to not be able to fit in that ~2.5GB of space?
This has probably been a very badly beaten dead horse, but I did a search and couldn't really find anything referenced here on XDA. I see there's some moment on CM9 for the phone...but ultimately I want to know why HTC can't put ICS/JB on the device. It's an important factor in deciding to either stay loyal to the brand or move on to something different. I realize that it's an OEM (TMo branded phone) and that it may be up to TMobile to get it updated, which I'm assuming they would under their "no phone left behind" promise...maybe I assume incorrectly? TMobile hasn't said a thing on the matter.
I may go ahead and put CM9 on it once it's gone 100% stable.
Thanks.

It's not that they CAN'T upgrade to ICS/JB. They WON'T, for just about any reason you can make up. T-Mobile or HTC have not given any official word as to why not, so it could be due to anything.
Possible reasons include:
-Custom MyTouch skin
-T-Mobile holding the update back
-Our phone is essentially a commercial flop. Probably why they're not supporting it. Consequently, we're not a big enough community to make a difference anyway.
-They simply want you to buy another phone.
There is no physical reason they won't do it. Our phone has nearly the same internals as the Sensation 4G. It's still a high spec phone and can handle anything. Hardware is not the problem here. It's the higher ups.

I would like to add that if you don't want to wait, TBalden's Virtuious Inquisition has always been a rock solid ICS ROM for me. NEVER a hiccup even though there have been a few complain of an issue or two. But it will most likely always be that way with any ROM.....even the official releases.
There are a couple of ICSs by UndeadK9 on Rootz Wiki too that are slick. Then there is MikMiui ICS that is soooo close it's scary! KWIM? You HAVE choices right now.

ICS natively doesn't support Hardware Keyboards. That's why our device is under review by HTC/T-Mobile. HTC is willing to push an update, but T-Mobile has it on hold. So it's T-Mobiles fault, not HTC. How do I know this? Worked places, and have numbers.
Sent from my myTouch_4G_Slide using Tapatalk 2

Wow good topic I was just about to ask this because Ive been thinking about this for days now. Seeing the Galaxy 3 makes me crave that OS its really nice. I cant believe this phone flopped in the market its heaps good I love it, this with the droid look really solid with a slide out qwerty. So iffffff TMobile is holding out on the update is it possible that they will release it? or times gone by no chance of this? Im like the TC, Ive never modded a phone and dont know how to do it, but iffffffff I have to put ICS mod what is the best and closest to the real thing and is solid and does not have many bugs etc.? Like if this was your phone you are selling to the world which mod would you add to it? If TMob dont release one I might try attempting my first mod and if anyone can help me out with helpful links or pics as a walkthrough so I dont brick it much appreciated

As someone who spent a good deal of time with sense 4 I can say the only thing I miss from the mysense is the integrated visual voicemail. The positive changes out weighed the loss of the integrated vvm.
Sent from my HTC_Amaze_4G using xda premium

Archangel, if you do decide you want to root your device this is a fairly new but extremely comprehensive, simple & straightforward guide that will give you every bit of info you need to do that. Should you run into a problem, just come back with some specific questions about that parts you don't understand and "we'll git 'er done".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801106
If I were to recommend an ICS ROM for you to cut your teeth on it would be TBalden's Virtuous Inquisition. http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/inquisition.html This one will let you see what you've been missing on your DS. Good Luck and have a BALL! :good:
If you're looking for a pared down, screaming fast & smooth version of your stock ROM.....MikTouch & BulletProof are VERY tough to beat. (both in the developers section) Just remember that any questions not directly related to a ROM function or issue should always go here in General.

What is the difference between the roms? Like compared to the Galaxy 3 does it have the slick icons that slide and glide easy from screen to screen? and I think its called the live wallpaper when you swipe left or right the image hovers? also kinda like that fish wallpaper they have that has the trickle effect is neat, I noticed the apps menus are different to the Mytouch and smoother. I dont know what you mean by fast, do some of the roms make the OS lag and jaggy?

Personally, I think of fast as responsive.....smooth as changing functions & desktops, etc. But to each their own in descriptive terms, I guess. As far as differences go, I'm not familiar with the Galaxy but each ROM really has a personality of it's own except maybe in comparing ports from other devices.
THAT'S why you will probably become like the rest of us......Flashaholics! LOL
Oh Yeah....then you have THEMES! :laugh: