Sometimes I let my battery run to empty. Everytime that happens I can still hit the power button and my K-Jam will do a soft reset and then turn off shortly afterwards. I let my phone die yesterday when I was on the road. It won't turn on and it doesn't appear to be charging. I checked the battery with a multi-meter and its showing 2.5V on a 3.7V battery. Is this too low for the phone to work? Can anyone think of a reason why it would be completely non-responsive? I bought the K-JAM on ebay and its not really sold in the U.S. Does anyone know somewhere I can bring in my K-Jam to get parts or at least some advice. Thanks for your help.
-Ross
Lithium batteries behave differently from NiCads regarding charge discharge cycles.
Where NiCads *like* to be fully discharged before recharging, Lithium batteries *hate* it. They prefer to be topped up regular and often.
My guess is that you have a dead battery given the way that it has been abused (by being treated like a NiCad)
Really, I thought Li-ion was a deep cycle battery? Well should the phone show any signs of life if it is plugged in and has a dead battery? Is their a way to test the hardware without replacing the battery. If replacing the battery is neccessary. Do you know where I can find one? Thank you very much for all of your help.
-Ross
I had the same problem some weeks ago. If the battery go down to much and wizard switch off then you have big problems because this ppc charge only when OS is loaded!
So if you are not able to switch on to charge it you have to charge the battery outside the phone.
This problem happen to me when i was traveling and i forget my charger at home... I bought another USB cable i cut it to take out the red and black wires, then i take out the battery from the wizard and put red wire on the pin with label (+) and black wire to the pin (-), the pin label are written on the battery. I put attention to don't make shortcuts and that wires and pin was touching and let 15 minutes to charge (natually the USB was attached to my laptop). Then disconnected USB cable from laptop, put the battery on wizard and switched on it pressing the power button few seconds. It booted up and when OS was loaded i connected the normal USB cable to the phone to finish to charge it.
Now i charge the battery before that reach 0%!
Thank you so much, I will try that as soon as I get home tonight. If I understand you correctly it sounds like battery charging is software based and not hardware based, which is a major design flaw. If this is the case I'm going to sell my k-jam, because that is bs. Do you know if Jasjar is designed the same way? Thanks for all of your help.
-Ross
This works !!!!!!!!!!!!
I had the same problem. I thought my battery or my device was defect, but following this instructions I was able to charge my battery again !
THANKS A LOT
had the same problem some weeks ago.
battery was down so low, that after plugging in the wall charger my pda booted, just to switch off again after a few seconds.
so what i did was going into "serial boot mode" - that way imho the pad doesn't turn on wifi, bluetooth, sd card and things like that that drain battery too much. after some time the battery was loaded and i could reset the device and go on working with it.
regards ize|man
dalamario said:
I had the same problem some weeks ago. If the battery go down to much and wizard switch off then you have big problems because this ppc charge only when OS is loaded!
So if you are not able to switch on to charge it you have to charge the battery outside the phone.
This problem happen to me when i was traveling and i forget my charger at home... I bought another USB cable i cut it to take out the red and black wires, then i take out the battery from the wizard and put red wire on the pin with label (+) and black wire to the pin (-), the pin label are written on the battery. I put attention to don't make shortcuts and that wires and pin was touching and let 15 minutes to charge (natually the USB was attached to my laptop). Then disconnected USB cable from laptop, put the battery on wizard and switched on it pressing the power button few seconds. It booted up and when OS was loaded i connected the normal USB cable to the phone to finish to charge it.
Now i charge the battery before that reach 0%!
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You are a lifewsaver -- I woke up this morning to a dead battery and a device that wouldn't turn on and using your tip was able to revive it in a few minutes. I really can't imagine how someone could have designed a device that can't recharge a dead battery. Very dumb.
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naaah
Like someone said..... Italians do it better !
Alessio.
Thanks Dalamario, it worked for me.
A small amount of electrolyte goes a long way
I just found this thread as my O2 Wizard did the same two days ago.
Once I realised which was positive and negative I just applied a fine lick of saliva onto the positive and negative terminals of the battery and the phone's battery terminals.....
Lo and behold, it worked !!!!
Shame I logged a call with O2 earlier today and they are sending out a replacement!!!
Frustratingly I put a friends battery in mine, transferred everything off and emptied the phone's memory!!!! grrrrr, I should have thought about it first.
To add to that...the standard battery is some cheap and nasty Chinese battery.
Sadly, all the aftermarket ones are mostly made in China too!
BTW. Drinking an acidic fizzy drink probably helped the revival process by making my saliva that little more acidic.
Unbelievable.
I had the same problem last night. The phone just went dead while I was working. I could not get the thing to take a charge overnight with a wall USB charger.
I took a cheap USB printer cable. Cut off one side. Isolated the black and red wires. Attached them to the +(red) and -(blk) on the battery for only two minutes. Put the battery back in the phone and turned it on. When it booted up I quickly put it on the USB charger again. And now it is charging as usual.
I guess someone may need to start marketing a USB with blk/red pigtails for emergency charging.
Thank you soooo much!
Dropped my MDA Vario in my pint of beer the other night - had 48 hours of worry as it dried out and things began to work again. Then had the problems described before - not able to charge, red warning LED. Didn't want to put it in for servicing as it is unlocked (and smells of beer!) but found this solution which works perfectly (I used blu-tack to attach the terminals)!
Excellent!
So.. here goes my problem..
Got my Qtek 8310 three days ago, and the very same day I got it, decided to upgrade from WM5 to WM6. However, the battery charge meter gave me wrong info about the battery charge percentage, and the phone battery died just after I formatted the BINFS and re-setted the device in TeraTerm.
The device still powered on, after each USB cable re-insert, but died, after 5-10 seconds. After a couple of attempts, the phone didn't turn on at all.
Did some info search on the web and found out, that my battery fell to an critical voltage level. Li-Ion batteries require a certain voltage to even be able to accept a charge.
As I got an non-original battery (Sanyo ST26C) I suppose it is poorly designed and doesn't have good under-voltage protection (I have read about other HTC models (e.g. Wizard) having this problem as well), so the battery dropped below these limits and phone now identifies the battery faulty and doesn't let it charge. This is for consumer safety, because attempting to charge damaged Li-Ion cells can be dangerous, as Lithium is known to be able to catch fire/explode.
So the phone doesn't let to charge the battery in any way (1amp wall charger or USB cable).
Anyways, I tried to jump start the battery (charge with bare wires) to give it initial charge and... it worked. However, there goes my main problem: As soon as I insert the battery which has the initial charge, the phone starts immediately and boots to a bootloader (as there is no OS, formatted BINFS) and the the phone does not charge while in bootloader.
Then, I tried to turn off the phone: Hold down power off button for 5 seconds - phone turned off. But as soon, as I release the button, red light flashes once (as it does everytime, when you try to turn on the phone, it's normal) and then orange LED comes for a second, indicating a charge (as the battery is no longer considered faulty - phone lets it to charge), BUT then phone starts again to the bootloader and it somehow prevents further charge.
So: as soon as I release the power off button, after the phone has shutdown, it starts again, everytime, and soon the battery dies again.
My own thoughts of solving this:
* Get a fully charged battery from a friend, install the windows on the phone, and then charge my own battery (I know noone, who may have HTC Tornado, will be hard to get);
* Buy some standalone dock charger, which can charge batteries directly and charge the battery happily (haven't seen any around yet, so will be really pain in the arse, to get one);
* Charge battery with bare wires for an extended period of time, to give it enough juice to install windows (which I strongly doubt, as battery damage could occur);
Any other ideas? Ideas and comments, from people who know, or had similar experience is more than welcome. Looking forward for answers
Its funny. Reading you I've realized what people tell me about "I make a question and I answer it myself" So... You have the answers my friend. For options 1 and 2, use E-Bay. As a matter of fact, there is an aftermarket charger in ebay that charges your phone and a spare battery and it includes the spare battery when you buy the charger. I believe it runs for under $20.00. For option 3 use some wood cloth pins(those used to hang cloth to dry). I would say with at least 2hrs charge you should get a good 50% charge on your battery, enough to flash your phone.
Edit: Here is an Ebay Search. But, keep searching till you find the one that includes the extra battery. Chances are your battery is no good or won't last you very long.
Good Luck!
Get a new battery man, these li ion batteries, are no joke, especially the fact that they are made in China/Taiwan, I myself had used a tornado battery even till the days when the battery has bloated and cracked the back cover, when a single charge could not even last 4 hours.
Those days, were like having a timebomb in your pocket, ended up I got mysel a new tornado at a price cheaper than a replacement battery.
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Its funny. Reading you I've realized what people tell me about "I make a question and I answer it myself" So... You have the answers my friend.
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Well yes, I have some suggestions, but I am also expecting others to have some, too. And by sharing the knowledge, maybe I could prevent myself to spend more money on this issue
markanthonypr said:
For options 1 and 2, use E-Bay. As a matter of fact, there is an aftermarket charger in ebay that charges your phone and a spare battery and it includes the spare battery when you buy the charger. I believe it runs for under $20.00.
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The main problem with e-bay is... my country. at least 80% of the items, don't ship to my location.
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For option 3 use some wood cloth pins(those used to hang cloth to dry). I would say with at least 2hrs charge you should get a good 50% charge on your battery, enough to flash your phone.
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Thanks for the suggestion. The main reason why I am in serious doubt about this option, is that standard chargers usually have some sort of regulators and monitors the charge, prevents from overcharging, etc. But on the other side, USB charge output is only 100 mA, so it couldn't be that bad if you think about it
karhoe said:
Get a new battery man, these li ion batteries, are no joke, especially the fact that they are made in China/Taiwan, I myself had used a tornado battery even till the days when the battery has bloated and cracked the back cover, when a single charge could not even last 4 hours.
Those days, were like having a timebomb in your pocket, ended up I got mysel a new tornado at a price cheaper than a replacement battery.
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Well, the fact, that it is manufactured in China actually says nothing Many companies choose China to manufacture their products because of low costs. And the most of electronics is manufactured in China and other Asian countries.
Anyway, before getting myself an new battery, I would like to try resurrect this one If this won't last long for me - no problem, I will get an new one. But until I'm convinced enough, it's a waste of money, which I don't like doing
And one more thing.. maybe someone knows a way to keep the phone power off?
Because as I said earlier on, it's charging only when it's turned off, and not in the bootloader. And problem is that, as soon as I put the battery, it starts-up the bootloader.
Get a desktop charger perhaps?
Or if you are adventurous enough, mod the USB cable, and charge the battery directly, only if you know what you're doing, and only if it works
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Get a desktop charger perhaps?
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Well.. thanks for the answer, but we've already discussed this option and now I am asking whether or not, someone knows a way to turn off the phone and keep it turned off (prevent from self startup) while the phone has no OS (got formatted BINFS).
karhoe said:
Or if you are adventurous enough, mod the USB cable, and charge the battery directly, only if you know what you're doing, and only if it works
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I've already done that, and yes, it works. But I need someone to confirm, if it is safe enough to charge the battery for an hour or two.
Have anyone tried that?
I don't think that it's very safe. But I was having a similar problem, and I just left the phone connected to the power cable, and even though it seemed like it was not charging, it apparantly was.
Or you could just get a new battery. On expansys I saw a new one for ~$20.
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I was having a similar problem, and I just left the phone connected to the power cable, and even though it seemed like it was not charging, it apparantly was.
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Well..
With a modified USB cable (bare wires), which got power output of 100mA I have charged battery directly for approximately 3 minutes, and the phone turned on, and was operational for 4-5 minutes until the battery died again.
And before that, I've tried leaving it on an mains charger, which got power output of 1A (1000mA, 10 times USB). I left it for a hour or two, although no led was showing up to indicate a charge. The phone didn't event turn on after this 2 hour "charge".
And the reason for this is explained in my first post. Will try to leave it charge over a night, though, expecting for a miracle
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Or you could just get a new battery. On expansys I saw a new one for ~$20.
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But new batteries usually come empty, so it's no use to me. I have also explained why, on my previous posts.
So before buying an cradle charger, I would like to find out if these budget-friendly solutions will work:
1) Find out how to keep the phone powered down (because it's the only moment, when it truly charges);
2) Find out if it is safe enough to charge battery with bare wires for extended period of time (1-2 hours);
Just came up with another idea. Searched the forums and found a very similar problem to mine:
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For some odd reason my wizard likes to say the battery is full when its actually dead and that it's dead when it's really full. Well a few days ago I was reflashing to try and take care of the issue and it died during the middle of flashing. It would only goto the bootloader screen and would not charge. Well I decided I'd post a few pictures of my recovery technique utilizing my wife's phone. Cat5 cable striped at the end and twisted to each of the positive and negative battery terminals and the Blackberry's battery put it so I could use it to power the wizard.
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So.. I've got a Sony Ericsson w810i, would this technique work? The w810's battery is Li-Polymer, 900mAh 3.6V (although some sources say, that this exact battery is 3.7V..), compared to Li-Ion 1150mAh 3.7V Tornado's battery.
Voltage seems suitable..
Haven't got any answers to my previous posts, so I tried.
The trick worked, Sony ericsson's battery can feed HTC Tornado perfectly. However... got another problem..
Here's how I wired it up. The positive wire takes two contacts and the negative takes another two aswell. The ends of the wires are then connected to the sony ericsson's battery. Phone starts, and boots to a bootloader. Everything's seem to be perfect.
Then I plug in the USB cable into the computer, the other end to the phone. Phone recognizes the cable and puts label "USB" at the bottom of the screen.
However, there's something wrong with the connection.. TeraTerm fails to connect and Update ROM utility fails, too, with an "cannot connect" error..
After that, I have tried using the original battery, with no wires attached, just plugged it in (gave it an initial charge again) and the USB worked without any problems: TeraTerm can connect.
So the problem seems to be in wiring.
I have tried to connect the wires in different random ways (crazy, I know), but only one alternate way did worked. Although, phone did heat-up rapidly at the area, where it says "HTC Innovation" and phone's display showed "USB" even if no USB cable was connected.
So.. looking forward to some thoughts or any knowledge, of why is this happening, wiring schemes, or any other suggestions..
FINALLY! SUCCESS!! I've connected the wires from the sony ericsson's battery to touch only one pin on the phone, instead of two, as shown in the picture. The phone didn't turn on, as I've tried this before.
But then remembered that the same pins charge the original battery, so inserted the battery and VOILA! Phone turned on to the bootloader and the USB circuit wasn't blocked no more! Flashed the phone to WM6.5 now successfully and the original battery is charging, as I write this post )
So, if anyone got HTC smartphone dead, while flashing, let me know, will try to help you out, since I've walked through this hell myself
Thanks goes to karhoe, for an excellent guide for flashing, also dharvey4651 for an excellent guide on installing vista's USB drivers (got new PC, upgraded to vista) and last, but not least - the whole XDA-developers community for helping me out
1A Wall Charger Works!!
I've had the same problem discussed above. I was trying some of my own 6.5 ROMs, which by the way were getting stuck at the initial boot screen itself. Due to some unavoidable reasons and circumstances, the phone freely was left to itself at this exact state, untethered to any power source, for extended periods of time, during which it slept and refused to wake up again, all my pleadings going in vain. And when it did boot, it went into the tricolor screen conveniently and switched off in ten seconds. I turned to the net for help and found that any charger with rating above 1A would help in giving it the required juice. I didn't want to waste any of the 6 USB cables I have.
I got the original charger, which is an 1A charger, after 2-3 hours of searching my room (Hey, Don't be too hard on me! In the end, I got it, right? Actually, I use the PC for charging, and a smaller 550mA one sometimes-- both didn't work this time) and then, when I connected it showed the screen again. But this time, I found that it was capable of running it without the battery being present.
So, all I did was I kept the charger connected to it with the phone switched on in the tricolor mode and with the battery inside. After half an hour, I tethered it to the PC and flashed a proper ROM. And Voila!!! IT WORKED!! It was 2.45 in the morning!!
I guess the power from the 1A charger is enough for the phone to run and charge it too which is not the case in the 550mA one and the USB cable.
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I've had the same problem discussed above. I was trying some of my own 6.5 ROMs, which by the way were getting stuck at the initial boot screen itself. Due to some unavoidable reasons and circumstances, the phone freely was left to itself at this exact state, untethered to any power source, for extended periods of time, during which it slept and refused to wake up again, all my pleadings going in vain. And when it did boot, it went into the tricolor screen conveniently and switched off in ten seconds. I turned to the net for help and found that any charger with rating above 1A would help in giving it the required juice. I didn't want to waste any of the 6 USB cables I have.
I got the original charger, which is an 1A charger, after 2-3 hours of searching my room (Hey, Don't be too hard on me! In the end, I got it, right? Actually, I use the PC for charging, and a smaller 550mA one sometimes-- both didn't work this time) and then, when I connected it showed the screen again. But this time, I found that it was capable of running it without the battery being present.
So, all I did was I kept the charger connected to it with the phone switched on in the tricolor mode and with the battery inside. After half an hour, I tethered it to the PC and flashed a proper ROM. And Voila!!! IT WORKED!! It was 2.45 in the morning!!
I guess the power from the 1A charger is enough for the phone to run and charge it too which is not the case in the 550mA one and the USB cable.
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Glad to hear that it worked for you Unfortunately, it didn't for me (as I only have an after-market charget, not the OEM one, although it is 1A), so I had to search for alternative methods.
Just out of no where my phone doesn't power on and the orange led light that comes on when your charging it doesn't come on either. Does anyone know what I should do? I tried that recovery image thing but I don't know if I did it wrong or what?
When I type in
adb reboot
or
adb reboot bootloader
It gives me the following message "adb reboot is not recoginzed as an internal or external command,operable program or batch file."
By the way im doing this on the command center on my computer.
I do not have water damage and have never dropped the phone or anything? could this be a hardware issue?
Hmm ok sounds good I will do that!
I had a similar issue on my old Evo. As it was explained to me, the battery is so dead that the phone doesn't even recognize it's physically there. The solution that worked for me was to "jump start" the battery from another phone. Make sure the other phone's voltage is the same (I had another HTC, so there were no issues). On the battery there are 3-4 contacts, and the sticker identifies the pos and neg. Simply get two wires, lay them between the battery contact and phone contact on the functional phone, and hold them to the corresponding contacts on your battery, essentially wiring your battery in parallel with the other phone. Hold them on to charge for about two minutes, this should put enough charge back into your battery to allow your own phone's sense circuit to recognize and charge it. It worked for me causing no damage to either phone, and the battery didn't even lose any perceivable life.
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I had a similar issue on my old Evo. As it was explained to me, the battery is so dead that the phone doesn't even recognize it's physically there. The solution that worked for me was to "jump start" the battery from another phone. Make sure the other phone's voltage is the same (I had another HTC, so there were no issues). On the battery there are 3-4 contacts, and the sticker identifies the pos and neg. Simply get two wires, lay them between the battery contact and phone contact on the functional phone, and hold them to the corresponding contacts on your battery, essentially wiring your battery in parallel with the other phone. Hold them on to charge for about two minutes, this should put enough charge back into your battery to allow your own phone's sense circuit to recognize and charge it. It worked for me causing no damage to either phone, and the battery didn't even lose any perceivable life.
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Well when I brought it to the cell phone repair store he did a check on the battery and said the battery was fully charged and he checked the phone and said that it was accepting a charge or something. Im just not getting power. Unless the guy at the store is an idiot and wanted to make money off me. I don't know.
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Well when I brought it to the cell phone repair store he did a check on the battery and said the battery was fully charged and he checked the phone and said that it was accepting a charge or something. Im just not getting power. Unless the guy at the store is an idiot and wanted to make money off me. I don't know.
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Happened to me too. Lucky for me a friend had a stock Sensation and I was able to charge my battery on his. When I popped in his battery on my phone it turned on fine, but this was sometime ago.
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Hi guys, I've searched anywhere but I couldn't found a workaround for my issue, so I decided to make this post since it's driving me nuts.
I recently decided to substitute my opo battery since it was swolling up, with this one https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00W9ZAURM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Installing it was easy, but i quickly encountered some problems! First, the battery would not charge. The opo died at 2% and no matter how much time I left it in charge, it took almost a day to get it back little by little. Anyhow I managed to make it work, but the problem now is different: most of the times, I have to use caffeine to keep the screen on while charging, otherwise it won't work. I know that since I'm using AccuBattery Pro to check the incoming power. Sometimes it doesn't even work this way and I have to shut the screen off, unplug the cable, plug it in again, and then keep the screen on. I noticed that since I left the phone in charge for 1 hour and the battery percentage was still the same as it was earlier. Take a look at the screen so you can understand.
Ah! I almost forgot! 2 or 3 times has happened that the phone powered off all of a sudden. I'd like to throw it from my f******g window.
P.S. I'm using opo's original charger & cable; i tried with a different charger & cable still made by oneplus since my father has the same phone, so it isn't a cable\charger problem.
pr091 said:
Hi guys, I've searched anywhere but I couldn't found a workaround for my issue, so I decided to make this post since it's driving me nuts.
I recently decided to substitute my opo battery since it was swolling up, with this one https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B00W9ZAURM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Installing it was easy, but i quickly encountered some problems! First, the battery would not charge. The opo died at 2% and no matter how much time I left it in charge, it took almost a day to get it back little by little. Anyhow I managed to make it work, but the problem now is different: most of the times, I have to use caffeine to keep the screen on while charging, otherwise it won't work. I know that since I'm using AccuBattery Pro to check the incoming power. Sometimes it doesn't even work this way and I have to shut the screen off, unplug the cable, plug it in again, and then keep the screen on. I noticed that since I left the phone in charge for 1 hour and the battery percentage was still the same as it was earlier. Take a look at the screen so you can understand.
Ah! I almost forgot! 2 or 3 times has happened that the phone powered off all of a sudden. I'd like to throw it from my f******g window.
P.S. I'm using opo's original charger & cable; i tried with a different charger & cable still made by oneplus since my father has the same phone, so it isn't a cable\charger problem.
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The original swollen battery has battery backup issues too? If not,I advice you to use that again,as no better,or equal and genuine batteries are available anywhere.
No, never had a problem with the original one but it was starting to break the back cover... So I threw it in the bin ? the seller sent me another sealed battery, maybe I should try it. Any advice on how to calibrate it properly?
pr091 said:
No, never had a problem with the original one but it was starting to break the back cover... So I threw it in the bin the seller sent me another sealed battery, maybe I should try it. Any advice on how to calibrate it properly?
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Search battery thread in accessories section.
Mind telling me what is the serial number on the battery connector? those serial number can tell you whether you bought an original battery or OEM battery...