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ROM Manager has an option to "Backup Current ROM" and "Manage and Restore Backups". Can all that be used on stock (odexed), rooted ROM?
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I noticed this feature as well. I personally never tried but i am not sure how it would work. It might create a file in the the clockwork mod folder. But i doubt it works. You could always try it out. the worst it could do it bootloop your phone and you can just fxz? haha.

I don't have a method yet for flashing a fxz file. I'm on linux. Ive never been forced to learn how to do it. You try. ;-)
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Haha. That is a great challenge. My phone is charging right now. We need to find another "victim" to do it. I don't think ROM toolbox is very reliable though. Or at least not as reliable as CWM

I use this app to backup and restore apps.
Don't know for sure to backup and restore rom.
Need someone who has warranty to try this though LOL
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kindacrazyazn said:
Haha. That is a great challenge. My phone is charging right now. We need to find another "victim" to do it. I don't think ROM toolbox is very reliable though. Or at least not as reliable as CWM
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We're talking about ROM Manager by Koushik Dutta. Not "ROM Toolbox". Right?
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As far as backing up and restoring a stock rom, I fairly certain that it will. However, it depends on a CWM mod recovery and at the moment all we have is a frankinmod recovery and Rom Manager doesn't even acknowledge it.
So, if we had CWM in better shape, or a way for Rom Manager to see it, then everything else would fall into place.
On a random note, Rom Manager will boot into recovery with our frankinmod, but that's about it.

@41rw4lk
These are exactly the concerns i have.
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I was referring to ROM Toolbox but i personally never trusted ROM Toolbox or ROM manager. But that is just me personally.

ROM Manager makes things a whole lot easier for flashing ROMs and backing up/restoring. It's developed by koushikdutta, the same person that develops CWM, so everything should be seamlessly integrated. But as 41rw4lk stated, ROM Manager only partially detects our modified, bootstrapped recovery (it can boot into it but no automation). However, you can get it to work on the A2 . Apply the A2 bootstrap, then flash the Bionic recovery from ROM Manager, then re-apply the A2 bootstrap.
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kindacrazyazn said:
I was referring to ROM Toolbox but i personally never trusted ROM Toolbox or ROM manager. But that is just me personally.
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Using ROM Toolbox for flashing/restoring/backing up/etc only works if you have the premium ROM Manager. It uses methods from the premium ROM Manager to do just what ROM Manager does. So ROM Toolbox works although there isn't really a reason to use it.

I did away with the bootstrapper and use the cwm on every boot method, which is built into the Sonya rom now I believe. Can I flash the Bionic recovery still without messing everything up?

41rw4lk said:
I did away with the bootstrapper and use the cwm on every boot method, which is built into the Sonya rom now I believe. Can I flash the Bionic recovery still without messing everything up?
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yes it will work finr as i have done so. Also, the options in rom manager that alow you to backup or restore a rom do work as i have used both mutiple times with out a problem. I just flashed the new lithium rom today right after i backed up my atrix sonya rom using the backup option.

@cogeary
Is there a method to remove the Bionic Recovery? When the Atrix 2 Recovery becomes available would we install that over the Bionic?
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rob219 said:
yes it will work finr as i have done so. Also, the options in rom manager that alow you to backup or restore a rom do work as i have used both mutiple times with out a problem. I just flashed the new lithium rom today right after i backed up my atrix sonya rom using the backup option.
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I just flashed the Bionic recovery and it works perfectly with Rom Manager. One click backup. Thanks for the tip.

KEB64 said:
@cogeary
Is there a method to remove the Bionic Recovery? When the Atrix 2 Recovery becomes available would we install that over the Bionic?
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im not sure about removing it from out phone, but i do know if we ever get an officail or unofficial recovery made just for the atrix 2 you would just either flash it using rom manager (if its in the list of devices) or flash the zip in recovery and reboot into your rom or reboot recovery to check it out.

Technically, the recoveries we're flashing now aren't replacing the system recovery, they're just put in the system and loaded like any other script. If you try to get to recovery manually with buttons, you hit the default system recovery. If we ever get an unlocked bootloader and an official CWM then we're golden and can overwrite the system recovery. So uninstalling everything else should be a matter of deleting scripts, or just not build them into roms anymore since we won't need to.
It's late, so if I'm talking out my ass I apologize. I will say, I appreciate all the work and help from everyone here.

[Q] JB update and custom kernel

Hi all,
I'm sorry about my stupid question but I really don't know nothing about that . I had rooted and flashed my NS and installed the matr1x kernel (very good btw), and now I knew that JB will be available to NS. My question is, need I back to stock kernel to receive the update?
Thanks
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Gnng
You have to understand that installing an OTA (official update) on a rooted device regardless of what kernel can cause problems, as it did with my Nexus S before. I suggest you make a NANDroid backup at all times before you install any ROMs, official or Custom. You can also use Titanium backup and others.
There's still a slight while until the new JB 4.1 comes out. It's suggested that you install a Custom JB 4.1 ROM for your Nexus S as though you don't cause any problems. I think it's OK if you do it with the kernel pre-installed. But people always install the Custom ROM THEN they install the Kernel, I think installing a new ROM always overwrites the kernel, if it comes with it.
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In short, wait for the JB Custom ROM and you don't have to revert back to stock kernel, when you do the update it will automatically overwrite. Most Custom ROMs come with Stock/ordinary kernels. So then the user can flash whatever kernel they like in your case, matr1x.
Wish you the best of luck, and I am waiting for the Nexus S JB to come out as soon as possible

Ota binary patches the boot image iirc. So it can get all messed up.
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Yeah, what he said!
MДЯCЦSДИT said:
Ota binary patches the boot image iirc. So it can get all messed up.
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andezzat,
Thank you very much for the help.
andezzat said:
Gnng
You have to understand that installing an OTA (official update) on a rooted device regardless of what kernel can cause problems, as it did with my Nexus S before. I suggest you make a NANDroid backup at all times before you install any ROMs, official or Custom. You can also use Titanium backup and others.
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I didn't any backup before flashing a new kernel :crying:, so what can I do now if I want my stock kernel back?? What's a NANDroid (I know that is a tool but how can I do it?) ? Is Titanium bkp easily?
There's still a slight while until the new JB 4.1 comes out. It's suggested that you install a Custom JB 4.1 ROM for your Nexus S as though you don't cause any problems. I think it's OK if you do it with the kernel pre-installed. But people always install the Custom ROM THEN they install the Kernel, I think installing a new ROM always overwrites the kernel, if it comes with it.
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I prefer wait for stock JB Rom and probaby I'll , but, can I already find some JB ROM?
In short, wait for the JB Custom ROM and you don't have to revert back to stock kernel, when you do the update it will automatically overwrite. Most Custom ROMs come with Stock/ordinary kernels. So then the user can flash whatever kernel they like in your case, matr1x.
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I don't need to remove the kernel even unroot my cell, alright?
Thank you!!

Gnng said:
I didn't any backup before flashing a new kernel :crying:, so what can I do now if I want my stock kernel back?? What's a NANDroid (I know that is a tool but how can I do it?) ? Is Titanium bkp easily?
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A NANDroid backup is a internal memory backup. You can create one by booting into Recovery (Power off your phone and Hold Power and Down on your volume buttons.) If you rooted your phone and unlocked your bootloader (that's what you had to do to flash a new kernel), you should be able to load ClockworkMod or TeamWin Recovery and do a backup of your phone.
Gnng said:
I prefer wait for stock JB Rom and probaby I'll , but, can I already find some JB ROM?
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There's one rom but it's a port from the SDK and the amount of major bugs is high so it's not recommended but you could try another custom rom meanwhile, I can't go back to stock after trying custom roms, like AOKP and Cyanogenmod 9. Make sure you backup your apps and some settings (not everything will be compatible between stock and custom so pay close attention to which system setting you'll backup) with Titanium Backup.

To sum it all up for you
There's a Jelly Bean release which is unstable and has no sound, and will not be fixed until the REAL version comes out.
NANDroid backs up the whole internal memory on the phone including the system, it can be done from clockworkmod recovery.
Titanium backup, backs up specific settings and information that you choose, available from the playstore.
You don't need to unroot or go back to a STOCK kernel in order to flash a CUSTOM ROM. DO not however flash a STOCK rom after rooting, as at times that can cause problems.
If you want to go back to a STOCK ROM after rooting a device, there's a way, check this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1063664
and choose your Nexus S model: To acquire model, go to Settings - About - Baseband version. if it says I9023 at the start that's your Nexus S's model
Choose one of the Fastboot Stock ROMs and use the Fastboot method to flash the ROM. That is a good way to go back to STOCK ROM if anything bad happens
By the way you should expect the new OTA official 4.1 update for the Nexus S to be on your model's page.
NOTE: Using Fastboot to flash a ROM is very clean. However this will delete all your data and if you do everything correctly will lock your bootloader and unroot your phone. So use Fastboot only when you really feel the need to.
Cheers
and stay tuned for Jelly Bean :victory:

andezzat said:
To sum it all up for you
You don't need to unroot or go back to a STOCK kernel in order to flash a CUSTOM ROM. DO not however flash a STOCK rom after rooting, as at times that can cause problems.
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That means, when I receive the official 4.1 update notification, I should unroot my phone first and just install it after?

Gnng said:
That means, when I receive the official 4.1 update notification, I should unroot my phone first and just install it after?
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OK first off, do not install the update using the system update method from about, as that is a 100% stuff up if you're still rooted or on a Custom ROM.
However to update I think flashing a stock ROM but USING Clockworkmod works fine!
Someone please confirm, as I am not 100% sure
However what I am sure about is that if you run into any troubles installing your STOCK ROM using Fastboot is very very good and clean, however there are 2 things:
1. You will wipe everything COMPLETELY
2. You need the ROM to be in a fastboot format kind of way for you to flash it
There's a guide and everything for fastboot.
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Personally I will wait for a custom ROM for 4.1 if it doesn't take too long as that's guaranteed and will obviously be faster and safer to install on a ROOTED device.
Someone still confirm if installing Stock ROM while over Custom ROM while ROOTED through CWM is OK or not!?

Hummm, ok...
I'm already using the Stock ROM, I just flashed a new kernel, and I prefer install the stock kernel and unroot my phone. Just to let it clean.
After I install the JB official update, maybe I flash and root again, depends of Google :laugh:
Do you know where can I download a trust official 4.0.4 kernel from the forums? My phone is a Nexus S I9020AUCKJ1, Version Number: IMM76D
Thanks!!!

Rooting Nexus S [Help]

A while back, I always rooted and unrooted my Nexus S with no problems at all. Now whenever I try to root it, it just goes wrong. I've tried TWRP & CWM, CWM used to always work but now it just messes up. Both TWRP and CWM both give me an error that say Installation Aborted when I try to install a custom rom. I've redownloaded the rom from different browsers and even different PCs but nothing working, still that same error. Does anyone have a guide that is 100% to work without any errors during the process?

What guide are you using?

paul96 said:
What guide are you using?
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I used this one: http://nexusshacks.com/nexus-s-root/how-to-root-nexus-s-or-nexus-s-4g-on-ics-or-gingerbread/

1. Make sure you're running one the more recent versions of the custom recovery. You probably are but there are issues with older versions so just make sure.
2. Boot into what ever recovery you pick and do a full wipe. That is everything gets wiped but your SD card. Factory reset. Format /system etc.
3. Flash your ROM and gapps if they are seperate.
You should not get any errors. If your recovery is current and your flashing a new rom onto a fully wiped system and you still get a error either you're screwing something up or you may have a hardware problem.
To rule out a hw problem flash the factory images with fastboot. If those flash normally and everything works it is almost certainly user error.

albundy2010 said:
1. Make sure you're running one the more recent versions of the custom recovery. You probably are but there are issues with older versions so just make sure.
2. Boot into what ever recovery you pick and do a full wipe. That is everything gets wiped but your SD card. Factory reset. Format /system etc.
3. Flash your ROM and gapps if they are seperate.
You should not get any errors. If your recovery is current and your flashing a new rom onto a fully wiped system and you still get a error either you're screwing something up or you may have a hardware problem.
To rule out a hw problem flash the factory images with fastboot. If those flash normally and everything works it is almost certainly user error.
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Alright, thanks Do you recommend that I root my Nexus S or should I wait for the Jelly Bean update? I've rooted before and I enjoyed it but now I don't see that many reasons to root, do you have any good reasons?

I have many. My reasons for root don't matter. If you don't have a reason for root then don't root. Its that simple really.
Make sure you're on a stock 4.0.4 rom. When the ota is out install it.
If you want just root on either os at any time just flash su.zip from custom recovery. Its that simple. Having root on a stock rom does not affect the ota process.

albundy2010 said:
I have many. My reasons for root don't matter. If you don't have a reason for root then don't root. Its that simple really.
Make sure you're on a stock 4.0.4 rom. When the ota is out install it.
If you want just root on either os at any time just flash su.zip from custom recovery. Its that simple. Having root on a stock rom does not affect the ota process.
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What are your reasons for root? Please share?

Getting rid of stuff I don't want in a ROM.
Apps that do things that require root.Titanium backup/autoruns adaway ( ad blocker app alone could be its one point) etc
Changing kernel settings. Bid/bin clocks volts etc.
Being able to have a replacement launcher use the ICS style widget drawer.
Lastly , I simply just can't see having a computer that I don't have root/admin rights to. Its my damn device and I do what I want.

albundy2010 said:
Getting rid of stuff I don't want in a ROM.
Apps that do things that require root.Titanium backup/autoruns adaway ( ad blocker app alone could be its one point) etc
Changing kernel settings. Bid/bin clocks volts etc.
Being able to have a replacement launcher use the ICS style widget drawer.
Lastly , I simply just can't see having a computer that I don't have root/admin rights to. Its my damn device and I do what I want.
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Oh cool. There is this project that some members from XDA are working on called Sense4All and they are porting Sense to many devices. Im probably going to wait until a fully functionable release is available for the Nexus S. I do like AOKP a lot, so that might be a reason for why I'll root.

You seem to be a little confused with some terms. Root is simply being able to grant superuser permission.
You don't need to root to flash a custom rom on a nexus. Just a unblocked bootloader. You could run aokp or any other rom without root if you wanted to.

albundy2010 said:
You seem to be a little confused with some terms. Root is simply being able to grant superuser permission.
You don't need to root to flash a custom rom on a nexus. Just a unblocked bootloader. You could run aokp or any other rom without root if you wanted to.
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Oh, I never knew that, haha. Is it possible to flash a custom kernel with an unlocked bootloader or does that require root access?

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No you just need a custom recovery. But using that kernel's mods, like BLN, OC, UV, touchwake, etc, requires apps that need root, like NSTools, SetCPU, etc.
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Oh alright. Now I really wanna root + install a custom rom. Do any of you have a full 100% fully working guide for rooting Nexus S and which rom should I flash first? I already know what kernel I want.

http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?2024-ACS-Nexus-S-One-Click-Root-V4-0

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http://forums.acsyndicate.net/showthread.php?2024-ACS-Nexus-S-One-Click-Root-V4-0
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Thank you so much! I rooted my phone with CWM recovery installed and Paranoid Android + gapps installed

[Q] Restoring through CWM to stock

hi,i am using stock rom running 4.0.4,i had it rooted too and now i had two queries
1)Is rom manager compatible with Atrix 2??
im asking this because when i open it, it shows u need to install CWM recovery...but no option in that responds...not even intall cwm (1st option in menu)....so i installed CWM using atrix boot strapper app and now still rom manager is not detecting CWM..please help
2)after installing CWM, i had backup my present stock rom..so if i flash a new rom now will that CWM and back up still exist??(because we will wipe data which will remove everyhting right??)
for suppose if i flash jelly bean rom and if i dont like it...can i restore my previous stock rom without bricking my device??
thanks for u r help

vdpraneeth said:
hi,i am using stock rom running 4.0.4,i had it rooted too and now i had two queries
1)Is rom manager compatible with Atrix 2??
im asking this because when i open it, it shows u need to install CWM recovery...but no option in that responds...not even intall cwm (1st option in menu)....so i installed CWM using atrix boot strapper app and now still rom manager is not detecting CWM..please help
2)after installing CWM, i had backup my present stock rom..so if i flash a new rom now will that CWM and back up still exist??(because we will wipe data which will remove everyhting right??)
for suppose if i flash jelly bean rom and if i dont like it...can i restore my previous stock rom without bricking my device??
thanks for u r help
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1) Rom manager is not compatible with Atrix 2. I would not use it. Why do you need it anyway??
You can use Atrix Bootstrapper to go into CWM recovery . Rest can be done there. Or you can use Boot Menu Manager.
2)Of course! it will still be there! the backup is saved on your SD Card. So as long as you don't format your SD Card. It will be there.

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1) Rom manager is not compatible with Atrix 2. I would not use it. Why do you need it anyway??
You can use Atrix Bootstrapper to go into CWM recovery . Rest can be done there. Or you can use Boot Menu Manager.
2)Of course! it will still be there! the backup is saved on your SD Card. So as long as you don't format your SD Card. It will be there.
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Rom Manager does work with Atrix2. If you're on Stock ICS, you can install CWM on every boot, then flash the Bionic recovery through Rom Manager. That will allow you to use the 1 touch backup in RM, just hit backup rom and everything does what it's supposed to.
Here is the CWM on every boot for Stock ICS.

NHS2008 said:
1) Rom manager is not compatible with Atrix 2. I would not use it. Why do you need it anyway??
You can use Atrix Bootstrapper to go into CWM recovery . Rest can be done there. Or you can use Boot Menu Manager.
2)Of course! it will still be there! the backup is saved on your SD Card. So as long as you don't format your SD Card. It will be there.
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2)will the CWM recovery exist after flashing new rom or i need to install it again??
when i restore to stock fom JB, it means downgrading the firmware right??
so will there be a chance of bricking or is it same to restore anytime from any version??

vdpraneeth said:
2)will the CWM recovery exist after flashing new rom or i need to install it again??
when i restore to stock fom JB, it means downgrading the firmware right??
so will there be a chance of bricking or is it same to restore anytime from any version??
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No, your Recovery will be wiped after you flash a new rom, but you can install it again and restore your ROM.
But when restoring a rom, make sure you ARE ON THE ROM you are restoring.
E.g. If you flash JB and want Stock ICS back with your backup. First flash the Stock ICS from RSD and then restore your backup from CWM on it.
Or Vice-Versa.
@41rw4lk, Thanks for rectifying that. I did not bother with Rom Manager much.

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No, your Recovery will be wiped after you flash a new rom, but you can install it again and restore your ROM.
But when restoring a rom, make sure you ARE ON THE ROM you are restoring.
E.g. If you flash JB and want Stock ICS back with your backup. First flash the Stock ICS from RSD and then restore your backup from CWM on it.
Or Vice-Versa.
@41rw4lk, Thanks for rectifying that. I did not bother with Rom Manager much.
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but downgrading to stock ICS from JB will brick my mobile right??
is there any problem if im not on the rom im restoring??
(im a newbie and i dont know much..even not found these after searching a lot..thats the reason im asking all these)

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Rom Manager does work with Atrix2. If you're on Stock ICS, you can install CWM on every boot, then flash the Bionic recovery through Rom Manager. That will allow you to use the 1 touch backup in RM, just hit backup rom and everything does what it's supposed to.
Here is the CWM on every boot for Stock ICS.
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how is it possible to flash bionic recovery through RM...all the menu options are disabled for me there even after CWM installed through bootstrap

vdpraneeth said:
2)will the CWM recovery exist after flashing new rom or i need to install it again??
when i restore to stock fom JB, it means downgrading the firmware right??
so will there be a chance of bricking or is it same to restore anytime from any version??
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I don't think any recovery exist after flashing a new rom. We have a locked bootloader, so we can't replace the stock recovery.img, all of our recoveries hijack the boot process to work. CM10 and PA I believe have a built in recovery, and that's about as close as you'll get to having a recovery exist after flashing a rom.
As far as restoring from JB, I believe you can downgrade to ICS, but you'll have to look at the JB thread to be certain. I'm on AT&T so I haven't had an opportunity to try JB (officially). CM10 is based on JB, but for our phone with the locked bootloader, it's more of a pseudo experience and is based on our ICS framework.
As for bricking, there is always a chance to brick, that's part of the mod game, but if you read and pay attention to what you have and what you're doing, you'll be alright.

vdpraneeth said:
but downgrading to stock ICS from JB will brick my mobile right??
is there any problem if im not on the rom im restoring??
(im a newbie and i dont know much..even not found these after searching a lot..thats the reason im asking all these)
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UNLESS you have AT&T phone you should be just fine with ref lashing the ICS.
YES. there is a big problem if you are not on a ROM you are restoring.
Its like you are trying to comlete your jigsaw puzzle by putting pieces from some another jigsaw puzzle.

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how is it possible to flash bionic recovery through RM...all the menu options are disabled for me there even after CWM installed through bootstrap
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You need to use the CWM on every boot setup, the Atrix2Bootstrap alone won't do.

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You need to use the CWM on every boot setup, the Atrix2Bootstrap alone won't do.
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yes...my phone is an AT&T version...though im using it with IDEA.....
so if i install CWM on every boot,then rom manager will detect it and work right??

vdpraneeth said:
yes...my phone is an AT&T version...though im using it with IDEA.....
so if i install CWM on every boot,then rom manager will detect it and work right??
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Yes. I will say though, if you're on an AT&T branded phone with AT&T firmware, do NOT try to flash the new JB FXZ. It doesn't matter who your carrier is, it matters what firmware your phone is using. So, if you're on AT&T then you need to make sure that the things you flash are for AT&T, or else you will brick and that will be then end of that.

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Yes. I will say though, if you're on an AT&T branded phone with AT&T firmware, do NOT try to flash the new JB FXZ. It doesn't matter who your carrier is, it matters what firmware your phone is using. So, if you're on AT&T then you need to make sure that the things you flash are for AT&T, or else you will brick and that will be then end of that.
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thanks a lot...
what are the ROMS avaialble for us???
can i reflash stock ICS from any of those ROMS safely??
thank you

vdpraneeth said:
thanks a lot...
what are the ROMS avaialble for us???
can i reflash stock ICS from any of those ROMS safely??
thank you
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CM10
PA
Numa
MIUI (had battery issues, but I think they got it all worked out)
there's a few, you'll just have to look. Most of the time, if something is not meant for AT&T, the devs will post in the description that it isn't compatible. If you want stock ICS back at anytime, you can do yourself a favor and make a backup of your stock ICS all setup the way you like it, so you can restore if needed. If all else fails, there is an Official ICS FXZ that will get you back to stock ICS.

41rw4lk said:
CM10
PA
Numa
MIUI (had battery issues, but I think they got it all worked out)
there's a few, you'll just have to look. Most of the time, if something is not meant for AT&T, the devs will post in the description that it isn't compatible. If you want stock ICS back at anytime, you can do yourself a favor and make a backup of your stock ICS all setup the way you like it, so you can restore if needed. If all else fails, there is an Official ICS FXZ that will get you back to stock ICS.
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my main question is :
will downgrade to ICS cause brick??
how do i create my own backup for stock ICS??

vdpraneeth said:
my main question is :
will downgrade to ICS cause brick??
how do i create my own backup for stock ICS??
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You're killing me smalls. You're on ICS already, you're not downgrading anything, nor can you downgrade ie. Gingerbread. There is no Official JB for AT&T, so that's not an issue. CM10 is a JB based rom built on an ICS frame, (for our phone at least), and again, you're not downgrading.
To make a back up, boot in to CWM or whatever recovery you're using (not stock), and click backup. You might hit up the noob thread to get an idea of the terminology and basics for our device. Not trying to be rude, but you're running yourself in circles. You got to walk before you can run.

So what is this; kernels and themes?

Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.

behedwin said:
Just got my first device rooted.
Now i have installed a ROM.
I feel awesome.
But then i read this
"With ROM Manager you can back up your existing ROM, flash new ROMs, and install custom themes or kernels. It features a long list of ROMs which is frequently updated and you can install ROMs to the SD card or OTA (over the air). If you want to unlock features like premium ROMs, update notifications, and automatic backups, then you’ll need to spring for the premium version."
So now i am trying to figure out what custome themes are and what custom kernels are compared to the Avatar ROM i installed.
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Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..

haridevil99 said:
Now let me put this simple. The ROM is the operating system of your device (OS). You know what a theme is. Its just changing the way things look can be your icons, interface shade/colour,etc. Its just visuals. And the next is kernel. Kernels are the thing which links your OS and hardware. Literally they are responsible for the way your phone behaves. Custom kernels has tweaks whicj can improve your device's performance, the battery drain, way your processor's I/O works.. It helps you to do things like over clock and under clock,etc. But it is risky as your manufacturer has made a stable kernel for your device and these custom kernels may be unstable. Sure thing you dont want to mess with em unless you know what you are doing. Now as you have choice to do things like changing ROMs and Kernels using Rom manager, i would recommend you to use CWM and flash zip files which has ROMs and Kernels made specifically for your device as this is more safe. But be sure to have a backup as installing something not meant for your device will brick it. Dont worry. Have a backup and also Odin with stock rom incase its really hard bricked. If it helped hit thanks button plz..
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Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.

behedwin said:
Awesome now i have a good hint of what each thing are.
Now this lead me to some more questions.
Since i have already rooted my device. I have installed Avatar ROM and tested some others...
But i never made any backups... Is it to late for that?
Is my best choice to download Titanium Backup and backup everything with that application?
You said something else about Odin, how to backup aswell with that?
What is CWM and how does it differ from Rom Manager?
When i install a ROM i download a zip file, put it on my device SD card
Boot the phone in and wipe data, wipe cache, wipe delvik (or whatever it is called) and last install the new .zp file.
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CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...

haridevil99 said:
CWM is clockword mod recovery. An advanced recovery which has more options than stock recovery. I guess you already has cwm. Probably it must be what you used to flash the Rom and clear cache. Now to Titanium backup, it backs up the whole phone, so do cwm. As we use CWM for our flashing and other things, cwm backups should be enough unless you got space on your sd to have many backup files. And if your phone is working perfectly right now then its never late to take a cwm backup as if you ever encounter a bootloop while tweaking, you can restore your phone. Sometimes even cwm fails to fix your phone. This is where Odin comes in handy. Odin is a pc software which can be used to flash the stock Rom of your device. You can search and find the Stock Rom for your device and region if you google. You can find how to flash using odin guides out there. Flashing stock rom via odin will remove every traces of ever tweaking your phone which includes rooting, flashing of custom roms and kernels,etc. Your device will be just like when you bought it. This is helpful when you want to take your phone to service centres as rooting and doing other stuffs will void your warranty. Hopes this helps...
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Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?

behedwin said:
Thank you.
I can tho not figure out how to know for sure if i have CWM or not. I have no apps called that.
And how do i do a CWM backup if i can start CWM some other way than using an app icon ?
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CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.

haridevil99 said:
CWM is a shell and not an app and it cannot be installed on android os so you cant access it through your Rom but you can run it whenever you need it but through stock recovery. CWM comes as a .zip file which should be selected from stock recovery or in other words flash it. It will open cwm recovery. And you can access advanced recovery options which stock recovery doesn support. Well search and download cwm for your device, place it sd card root(not inside any folder), run it using install update option on your stock recovery, it will open cwm which will be in yellow colour themed. Select backup and restore opt in it and select backup. That will take care of taking full backup of your device.
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Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.

behedwin said:
Awesome, this thread have cleared many small things that come as so obvious for those that have done this for some time.
Perfect for me to quick understand what I am reading in threads and other sources.
I have now a CWM backup, Titan Backup and installed Odin and found my stock ROM to use if things goes to ****.
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Well.. Thats good to hear. And there was none other than me. And anyway a small precaution, never interrupt while you are flashing through Odin coz it will hard brick your device which is literally R.I.P to your device.