[Q] Battery Question - Galaxy Note 10.1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have a question. I have been doing battery research for the last few hours, and still do not TOTALLY know the answer to my question. My question is, at what temperature does damage occur to a Lithium Ion Battery. Here are a few things I have found...
1.The first stage is the breakdown of the thin passivating SEI layer on the anode, due to overheating or physical penetration. The initial overheating may be caused by excessive currents, overcharging or high external ambient temperature.The breakdown of the SEI layer starts at the relatively low temperature of 80ºC and once this layer is breached the electrolyte reacts with the carbon anode just as it did during the formation process but at a higher, uncontrolled, temperature. This is an exothermal reaction which drives the temperature up still further.
(Lithium Titanate anodes do not depend on an SEI layer and hence can be used at higher rates.)
So at around 170F the first layer of defense is broken down, which will cause the battery to begin "Thermal Running" which will cause a chain reaction until the battery explodes. As the battery is reaching that temperature, the batter slowly loses charge capacity, cycle life. So my question is....
If my battery raised to 121F will the only damage that was caused be cycle life? The tablet did not shut its self off, to prevent overheating, and did not display any overheating warnings. The only reason I know the temperature of the battery, is because I happen to have an app, that allows displays battery temperature, though I do not know how accurate this could be. When my battery is still in green, the app starts sending me warnings that my battery is low. My tablet is expensive, and I love it, so I am just wondering what, if any, damage was caused operating at that temperature. Thanks in advance for your answers, I appreciate it.

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

Thank you for the link, I have read it, and am still a little confused, though the information does help... If you could do any clarifying it would be appreciated.

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[GUIDE] How to prolong the life of your Li-Ion battery

First off this isn't a guide about how to make your battery last longer between charges, at least it isn't yet. If a demand arises I will happily facilitate. *EDIT* For simplicity's sake I am including a link to V7's battery guide which addresses increasing the time between charges. ✭[GUIDE][26-07-2016]Extreme Battery Life Thread(Greenify+Amplify+Power Nap)✭This guide is about reducing wear that happens from many thing we all either knowingly do; out of a possible misunderstanding, or ignorance. All of this information is available doing a simple Google search, I am posting it here though for those who otherwise would not think to Google it. Furthermore I claim credit for absolutely none of this, but I do hope you find it helpful.
HOW TO PROLONG YOUR Li-Ion BATTERY'S LIFE​
1) Keep your battery at room temperature: Heat is the worst enemy of your cell phones battery. So keeping your battery at room temperature (65-75*F) is the first step towards prolonging your battery's life. According to Battery University
each 8°C (15°F) rise in temperature cuts the life of a sealed lead acid battery in half.
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They also go on further adding
Once the battery is damaged by heat, the capacity cannot be restored.
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There are many things you can do to keep your battery cooler, such as taking it off the charger when the phone is done charging, and avoiding prolonged continuous usage. Also avoid leaving your phone in your car, it gets upwards of 140* in a car during the summer. The worst thing that can happen to a Li-Ion battery is a full charge and high heat, so avoid charging your phone until your car has cooled off if you are charging your battery in the car. Heat is by far the greatest factor when it comes to reducing the lifespan of a Li-Ion battery.
2) Use partial-discharge cycles: According to lancair.net
Using only 20% or 30% of the battery capacity before recharging will extend cycle life considerably
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Other sites I read while researching this stated that users should use up to 80% of their energy before recharging, they were all consistent with regards to a few things including: avoiding full discharges will prolong battery life, and it takes several partial charges to use one full charge cycle. Additionally Li-Ion batteries do not have "charge memory", but your digital device most likely does. Discharging the battery until cut off after every 30 charge cycles re calibrates the devices gauge.
3) Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains it most simply by stating
Permanent capacity loss is greatest at elevated temperatures with the battery voltage maintained at maximum (fully charged).
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4) If you are going to store your battery for an extended period store it at about 50% charged: This goes hand-in-hand with number 3. Also keeping the battery cool during extended storage will slow deterioration. Keeping the battery in a sealed bag or tupperware in your refrigerator is okay, but storing your battery in the freezer is not. When a battery is fully charged oxidation is occurring at its highest rate, and oxidation is essential corrosion. Oxidation occurs whether the battery is in use or not, for this reason it is better to get a high capacity battery rather than a spare. So with this said it almost should go without saying that if you can, buy batteries with a recent manufacture date.
5) Avoid completely discharging your battery: Lancair.com states:
Very deep discharges will quickly, permanently damage a Li-ion battery. Internal metal plating can occur causing a short circuit, making the battery unusable and unsafe. Most Li-ion batteries have protection circuitry within their battery packs that open the battery connection if the battery voltage is less than 2.5 V or exceeds 4.3 V, or if the battery current exceeds a predefined threshold level when charging or is charging
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now that explain why my battery drain so fast,my phone temperature is a bit high these days,thank you :good
I decrease my battry drain with installing som suitable kernal
this way realy effective in my device battry mangement
You're absolutely right, and you hit the nail on the head,
Saeedblack said:
realy[sic] effective in my device battry[sic] mangement
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But the physical battery itself needs care too. Device battery management is more related to how much power the CPU sees that the device has. Understanding how a Li-Ion battery works is kinda important at this point. So basically the positive electrode is made of Lithium cobalt oxide (cathode), or LiCoO2. The negative electrode is made of carbon (anode). When the battery is charging, ions of lithium move through the electrolyte from the positive electrode to the negative electrode and attach to the carbon. During discharge, the lithium ions move back to the LiCoO2 from the carbon. Over time the Lithium ions bond to the carbon thereby restricting the flow, creating resistance which decreases the battery's ability to deliver current. So properly caring for your battery is really the only thing that will slow the inevitable. Its kinda the same thing for a car...all cars eventually die, but if you take care of them they will last much longer than if you neglect them.
Thanks for this. It's not the usually same guide for battery improvementent.
My battery life got a little better.
Thanks mate, that's some good information.
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
azraelus said:
Hi.
Just wondering:
in "5) Avoid completely discharging your battery"
Most battery calibration softwares say you SHOULD fully discharge your battery then fully charge it for a good calibration.
So, someone like me, who likes to try new roms, new nightlys all the time, are "slowly" burning the battery to ashes by calibrating it after every flash.
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YES you are slowly burning the battery out, by draining it after every flash. The battery is going to die inevitably anyways though, most of the sources I found suggest doing a "full drain" every 30 charge cycles. Perhaps this is when you should go ahead and do your battery calibration. Also a full drain is not exactly self-explanatory in this case. Your device may say that a battery has 1% of its energy left and to an extent it does, but the battery is designed to cut off before it gets too hot or too low. If you have a tendency to cut your phone back on after it dies then you will deplete the battery completely, possibly resulting in permanent damage.
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It looks like running the processor faster than specified (overclocking) can result in higher temperatures inside the device and faster battery wear as a result.
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Yes O/C can raise temperatures of the device. Certain kernels run a little hotter than others. My device is currently O/C'd and isn't any hotter than normal when I am not using the device due to CPU governors and what not, and its only marginally hotter than it is when at the stock clock speed. Prolonged heavy use takes a toll on the battery, due to the heat its creating. Also don't let the little bit of heat increase stop you from O/C'ing your device. Many manufacturers use the same cpu with different clock speeds, EX Snapdragon S3 chip is used in the EVO 3D @ 1.2GHz, and the HTC Rezound @ 1.5GHZ from the factory. This is done to reduce power consumption on power hungry phones or to extend the life of a cpu that has proven itself reliable(such as in the example of the Snapdragon S3)...it also helps to market devices without spending more on development.
Good adwise! :good:
This is all very good advice. A lot of it I knew, but I learned a couple new things as well. Glad to see someone making it more easily available to our community!
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Found this same information when researching my netbook battery.Turns out there is a good reason it will sleep/hybernate/power off at 3 percent, can damage a cell. On the upside this one will charge faster.
Thanks for the information.
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Oh god, by "avoiding keep it at 100%" you mean "don't use it constantly while charging", right?
I have a seriously problem.
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Yea that's pretty much the gist of it...heavy use while charging creates even more heat than just heavy use or just charging. Since doing the research for this thread I've been doing things a little differently myself. Instead of leaving it on the charger most of the day I charge it at night and use it til about 50% then charge it up to 80%...it may be in my head but I highly doubt it. Doing as I described I have had 1 full charge (from 40% to 100%) and a top off charge (50% to 80%) and my device has been on since yesterday morning (so 36 hours+ with only a 30% top off charge). This is with moderate use, and my phone is currently at 70%...MUCH better than before though.
This guide is still meant more for longer term physical battery care, but it appears to have helped extend time between charges.
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Wish I could do something about #1. My phone can get pretty hot when I'm using it and I like to do a lot of things like playing games or dling torrents which gets it toasty.
Will definitely unplug before 100% from now on though. Thanks
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Try a different kernel, or underclocking your phone, that should help with the heat.
Thanks, I'll keep this in mind!
Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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Thanks for the advice, but i thought discharge it completely wont do any harm to the battery since the protection circuit will stop at around 3..0-3.4 mV?
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That is about the point the device will cut off, but if you turn it back on like I used to until the device won't turn back on that's when the battery is completely discharged. Battery University goes on to say
Each cycle wears the battery down by a small amount. A partial discharge before charge is better than a full discharge. Apply a deliberate full discharge only to calibrate a smart battery and to prevent “memory” on a nickel-based pack.
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Link to article HERE
*EDIT*
i wish there's a way to stop charging once it reaches 85-95% like my laptop...

[TIPS] How To Maintain Your Lithium-Ion Battery

Good day,
For the new battery owners and frequent questions of charging and prolonging/maintaining your battery.
Here are some information from other websites. Just for the sake of laziness and Google-ing :highfive:
I know most of you guys already knows this. Yes, I know. These are reminders that you should.
Please do not flame or criticize my thread. I am just here to help. Thank you!
1.) It's not necessary to charge over 12 hours when first used. When a device powered by batteries is purchased, sellers will usually tell us the batteries must first be charged 12 hours before using. Actually, this is unnecessary. Unlike common Ni-CD or Ni-MH batteries, most lithium ion batteries have been activated before leaving the factory. Due to its low self-discharge, it’s unnecessary to charge lithium ion battery for such a long time when new. Lithium ion batteries are ready for use after the charger indicates so, and it will reach its best capacity after 3 or 5 cycles
2.) Don’t use an inappropriate charger. Many people care greatly about their electronic gadgets, but often neglect the consequences of bad chargers on their lithium ion batteries. When choosing a charger, the original charger is the best choice. If that's unavailable, a high quality charger that has an over charge protection function, or a brand name charger will do. A low quality battery charger can lead to shorter run times, premature battery failure, or even cause a fire or explosion.
3.) Avoid frequently over charging. Over charging with a low quality charger may let the battery's interior rise to a high temperature, which is bad for the lithium ion battery and charger. Thus, simply fully charging is good enough - overcharging will make your lithium battery into a little bomb if over charge protection function is missing.
4.) Avoid touching metal contacts. All batteries' contacts need to be kept clean for best performance. Do not let battery contacts touch metal objects such as keys when carrying them around, it can cause a short circuit, damaging the battery or potentially resulting in a fire or an explosion.
5.) Avoid often use in high or low temperature environment. Lithium ion batteries have an optimal working and storage temperature. If they're continually used an extreme temperature environment, it will negatively affect the lithium ion battery’s use time and useful cycles.
6.) Avoid long time without use or recharge. If you don't need to use your personal electronic gadgets for a long time where the lithium ion battery might be to left unused for 3 months or more, partially recharge the lithium ion battery, then store the device (recharge the battery to around 30-70% of capacity, depending on storage time) to prevent battery damage. You may need to take the device out of storage and charge again after a few months.
7.) Avoid use lithium ion battery which is hot after being fully charged. Temperatures can be very high after the battery is freshly recharged. If you use it immediately, the electronic gadget’s internal temperature will rise, and can negatively affect the device's electronic components.
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Question:
If I am not going to use my battery for a long period of time, what should I do?
Answer:
Be sure the battery is above 40%
Put the battery in an air sealed zip locked bag and place it inside the refrigerator but not the freezer!
This will slow down the deterioration of the battery.
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[GUIDE]Proper Charging and prolonging/maintaining battery life.

As we all know, batteries, overtime tend to lose their capacity to hold charge, due to loss of free ions. Something, which we, the smartphone users are constantly worried about. I mean,nobody would like to let degrade a factory provided product.
So here, I am presenting a thorough analysis, which might help to slow down their deterioration.
Readers note, that the processes analysed below , are evidential for both the type of batteries, powering the current generation smartphones i.e LI-PO/LI-ION
INTRODUCTION-
Just as with other lithium-ion cells, LiPos work on the principle of intercalation and de-intercalation of lithium ions from a positive electrode material and a negative electrode material, with the liquid electrolyte providing a conductive medium. Thus,the more frequent are the charging times, more will be the ionic flow, further improving the withstanding capability of the electrolyte. Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries, if charged often, after about 1 month, would reach to their maximum performance, and by performance, I mean, the maximum capacity of charge it can hold. This doesn't have any noticeable effect on the battery life and so you are recommended to charge them every time you find an outlet.
EFFECTS OF COMPLETE/PARTIAL CHARGING -
Complete and partial charging, has their positive effects on battery's performance and life respectively, whilst harmful, vice-versa. Personal preference, here.
[COMPLETE]Improving the battery performance
For this section, performance should be prior to life cycle. This can be attained by allowing the battery to charge to their maximum potential permitted by its voltage rating. Adding full saturation of the permissible voltage boosts the capacity by about 10 percent but adds stress due to high voltage gradually affecting the battery life in the process.
OR
[PARTIAL]Maintaining the battery life.
For this section, life of the battery is everything for the user. The small boost may not feel significant, when you are sacrificing its lasting time. So they need not be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor are desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because a high voltage stresses the battery, as evident from above case. Choosing a lower voltage output, or limiting the saturation voltage altogether, effectively prolongs the battery life.
CHARGING WITH A HIGHER POWER OUTPUT
This misconception is popular in today's power users, charging with a output of a greater ampere rating, speeds up the charging. Yes, of course it does but distorting the final phase of charging in the process. Increasing the charge current does hasten or appears to hasten the charging process. But, though the battery reaches the voltage peak quicker, the saturation charge will take longer accordingly. The amount of charge current applied alters the time required for each stage; Stage 1 will be shorter but the saturation Stage 2 will take longer. A high current charge will quickly fills the battery to about 70 percent which is the initial phase. And reaching the peak voltage quickly, yet again pressurize the battery,reducing its life. However, choosing a lower voltage output, or limiting the saturation voltage altogether, adds up to the battery life.
MYTHS
The first time charging and "wait-until-full-discharge-before-recharge" and "don't-use-when-charging" are not applicable to these modern batteries. Waiting for complete discharge of a li-ion or li-po battery, totally stops the ionic conduction. And which might take a while to reactivate for their next conduction. Charging from scratch is recommended..
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Also follow the instructions about the batery temperature range.
Avoid keeping battery completely discharged for long periods of time.
Hope the article helps you all, get the most of your battery.
techy97 said:
As we all know, batteries, overtime tend to lose their capacity to hold charge, due to loss of free ions. Something, which we, the smartphone users are constantly worried about. I mean,nobody would like to let degrade a factory provided product.
So here, I am presenting a thorough analysis, which might help to slow down their deterioration.
Readers note, that the processes analysed below , are evidential for both the type of batteries, powering the current generation smartphones i.e LI-PO/LI-ION
INTRODUCTION-
Just as with other lithium-ion cells, LiPos work on the principle of intercalation and de-intercalation of lithium ions from a positive electrode material and a negative electrode material, with the liquid electrolyte providing a conductive medium. Thus,the more frequent are the charging times, more will be the ionic flow, further improving the withstanding capability of the electrolyte. Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries, if charged often, after about 1 month, would reach to their maximum performance, and by performance, I mean, the maximum capacity of charge it can hold. This doesn't have any noticeable effect on the battery life and so you are recommended to charge them every time you find an outlet.
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Now this is a personal choice. You can choose either to-
1)Improve the performance of the battery (or)
For this section, performance should be prior to life cycle. This can be attained by allowing the battery to charge to their maximum potential permitted by its voltage rating. Adding full saturation of the permissible voltage boosts the capacity by about 10 percent but adds stress due to high voltage gradually affecting the battery life in the process.
2)Maintain the battery life.
For this section, life of the battery is everything for the user. The small boost may not feel significant, when you are sacrificing its lasting time. So they need not be fully charged, as is the case with lead acid, nor are desirable to do so. In fact, it is better not to fully charge, because a high voltage stresses the battery, as evident from above case. Choosing a lower voltage output, or limiting the saturation voltage altogether, effectively prolongs the battery life.
CHARGING WITH A HIGHER POWER OUTPUT
This misconception is popular in today's power users, charging with a output of a greater ampere rating, speeds up the charging. Yes, of course it does but distorting the final phase of charging in the process. Increasing the charge current does hasten or appears to hasten the charging process. But, though the battery reaches the voltage peak quicker, the saturation charge will take longer accordingly. The amount of charge current applied alters the time required for each stage; Stage 1 will be shorter but the saturation Stage 2 will take longer. A high current charge will quickly fills the battery to about 70 percent which is the initial phase. And reaching the peak voltage quickly, yet again pressurize the battery,reducing its life. However, choosing a lower voltage output, or limiting the saturation voltage altogether, adds up to the battery life.
MYTHS
The first time charging and "wait-until-full-discharge-before-recharge" and "don't-use-when-charging" are not applicable to these modern batteries. Waiting for complete discharge of a li-ion or li-po battery, totally stops the ionic conduction. And which might take a while to reactivate for their next conduction. Charging from scratch is recommended.
OTHERS-
Also follow the instructions about the batery temperature range.
Avoid keeping battery completely discharged for long periods of time.
Hope the article helps you all, get the most of your battery.
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Great Guidance Sir! It's Little bit scientific but over all good job!
Suggestion:-
Add More Things To the post like why we should not use power saver apps, cache cleaners! How can we save juice of our device without using any app. Etc.
HIT THANKS IF I HELPED YOU SOMEHOW!!
dark_optimistic said:
Great Guidance Sir! It's Little bit scientific but over all good job!
Suggestion:-
Add More Things To the post like why we should not use power saver apps, cache cleaners! How can we save juice of our device without using any app. Etc.
HIT THANKS IF I HELPED YOU SOMEHOW!!
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That is a great suggestion, but based on my personal experience, the apps promising better battery life and others similar ones,were found to have no such noticeable effect,on either the battery's life or its performance,other than ram-eating hogs., which in turn actually, eats up the battery. I definitely wouldn't recommend any of those apps, for battery saving purposes, and neither do I use any of them.
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That is a great suggestion, but based on my personal experience, the apps promising better battery life and others similar ones,were found to have no such noticeable effect,on either the battery's life or its performance,other than ram-eating hogs., which in turn actually, eats up the battery. I definitely wouldn't recommend any of those apps, for battery saving purposes, and neither do I use any of them.
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Yap!

How to Check Battery Health

If you want to know the method about How to Check Battery Health? then you simple click given below link and see the complete method. In this way, you can also see the sumsang mobile battery health here.
Click here: How to Check Battery Health
If only it really did...
That doesn't really tell much about its health other than relative power level (of current "full" capacity rather than what its capacity was when new)*.
The only valuable information is the actual SOT and the screen off time power consumption.
The current ones vs what these values were when the battery was new, roughly.
The charging curve may also indicate erratic fast charging which can be a sign of a failed Li.
A swollen battery is a failure. A bulging rear cover or display is the only warning you'll get.
Even then the battery condition will still be reported as "Good"
To avoid a failure and possibly destroying the display, even the whole phone, replace Li's when they fall below 80% of their original capacity.
At 50% it's clearly noticable as run time is cut in half of what it was when new.
Don't wait for it to fail. A degraded Li is much more likely to fail than one in good condition.
*% is based on cell voltage not current capacity.
As a cell degrades it still charges to near the same voltage as new but its current capacity slowly declines. So the battery % indicator provides only one of two needed parameters to gauge battery health. VxA=Watts
The phone's wattage use is constant as is the required voltage for V+. The phone's power controller uses more amps as the battery voltage falls to maintain a constant V+ and mAh.
Accubattery gives useful power usage logs to help gauge excessive power usage and monitor battery decline.
This is what a healthy battery's usage pattern looks like. This battery is 4 months old.

Dummy Battery Problem

First of all, i have removed the battery from the tablet and i am supplying energy from the battery terminals (in this case, i want to be able to use my charging socket for the “OTG function”)
Even though giving the constant 4.2 volt electricity with this technic, battery gauge still drains from the tablet
im using chinese branded device as tablet by the way.Device is rooted with Android 10 go edition in it.
Normally, it has 2000mAh battery and the draining speed/principle is same as the above scenario
i’m waiting for the solution ideas or any suggestions
What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Lithium ion batteries should NEVER be directly charged with a power source. Tablets and phones have charging controllers that regulate the charging current and voltage to avoid overcharging the battery, which at best reduces battery life, and at worst can cause catastrophic failure - including explosion and fire.
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What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Lithium ion batteries should NEVER be directly charged with a power source. Tablets and phones have charging controllers that regulate the charging current and voltage to avoid overcharging the battery, which at best reduces battery life, and at worst can cause catastrophic failure - including explosion and fire.
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First of all, thank you for thinking of me. I am an experienced electronic engineer and have knowledge of Li-ion batteries. For the project that I am working on, I have to not use batteries due to the variation in ambient temperature.
Since I know that a fully charged battery provides 4.2 volts of energy, i remove the battery and so, supply this voltage from the place where the battery should normally be inserted.
When I turn on the tablet, the battery percentage shows 100%, after 20 minutes it drops to 85% approximately.
I don’t give the direct energy to the battery btw, on the contrary, i’m giving the energy from another source that the battery should normally give.
The attached photo can help you to have an idea for the situation
I just need to prevent the system for lowering the battery level as if like there is still battery in the tablet
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First of all, thank you for thinking of me. I am an experienced electronic engineer and have knowledge of Li-ion batteries. For the project that I am working on, I have to not use batteries due to the variation in ambient temperature.
Since I know that a fully charged battery provides 4.2 volts of energy, i remove the battery and so, supply this voltage from the place where the battery should normally be inserted.
When I turn on the tablet, the battery percentage shows 100%, after 20 minutes it drops to 85% approximately.
I don’t give the direct energy to the battery btw, on the contrary, i’m giving the energy from another source that the battery should normally give.
The attached photo can help you to have an idea for the situation
I just need to prevent the system for lowering the battery level as if like there is still battery in the tablet
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Oh okay, I suspected that's what you were doing, I was just trying to make sure in the interest of safety and all that. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt...
It's really hard to say why the battery gauge reports 85% even though you're supplying 4.2 volts of power. Depending on the firmware, Android battery gauges aren't simple voltmeters that simply display a percentage based on a certain voltage curve. They're a bit more advanced than that, and factor in the load on the battery too.
Here is a better explanation on how the systems work.
I would like to add another question that makes me wonder, will the battery percentage stay constant somewhere and/or will it start to rise after some point?
If there is no way to prevent the battery from decreasing in terms of software, I don't want the screen to go black when it reaches 15% and turn off at 0%. I'm going to make a supercapacitor and a modification to charge.
Or if I arrange the android as if there is a battery near infinity, I think that I can almost stop the battery percentage decrease rate, is that logic possible?
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brkedmrts said:
I would like to add another question that makes me wonder, will the battery percentage stay constant somewhere and/or will it start to rise after some point?
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I honestly don't know.
brkedmrts said:
If there is no way to prevent the battery from decreasing in terms of software, I don't want the screen to go black when it reaches 15% and turn off at 0%. I'm going to make a supercapacitor and a modification to charge.
Or if I arrange the android as if there is a battery near infinity, I think that I can almost stop the battery percentage decrease rate, is that logic possible?
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If you're powering the device via a constant DC supply that doesn't drop voltage under load, I would imagine the battery indicator would eventually stop at some point and just remain at a certain percentage. Again, this depends on what sort of controller the device has; if it's an adaptive learning battery management system, it might be ignoring the supply voltage, and is calculating how much power the device has used so far. Eventually it'll figure out that the voltage isn't dropping as expected, but I have absolutely no idea what it'll do.
I'd say just leave it playing video or something for a while and see what happens.
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I honestly don't know.
If you're powering the device via a constant DC supply that doesn't drop voltage under load, I would imagine the battery indicator would eventually stop at some point and just remain at a certain percentage. Again, this depends on what sort of controller the device has; if it's an adaptive learning battery management system, it might be ignoring the supply voltage, and is calculating how much power the device has used so far. Eventually it'll figure out that the voltage isn't dropping as expected, but I have absolutely no idea what it'll do.
I'd say just leave it playing video or something for a while and see what happens.
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I had decided to try my super capacitor idea. However, For a device whose charge level drops while charging with its original battery installed, this was not very wise.
but I added a capacitor as shown in the attached image and I've been testing it for 25 minutes.
battery percentage 99% for last 20 minutes.I t hope I managed to manipulate it somehow.
I will be sharing the results,Also, thank you for your interest.
brkedmrts said:
I had decided to try my super capacitor idea. However, For a device whose charge level drops while charging with its original battery installed, this was not very wise.
but I added a capacitor as shown in the attached image and I've been testing it for 25 minutes.
battery percentage 99% for last 20 minutes.I t hope I managed to manipulate it somehow.
I will be sharing the results,Also, thank you for your interest.
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Hey there, were you able to work it out?

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