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[Q] thinking about switching over, is bootloader locked, and how good is development?

2 basic questions. I'm running an atrix 2 right now but have been looking at this phone. I like the way Motorola runs android, and I remember having an epic 4g and I didn't like it. So obviously I don't wanna go stock, is the bootloader locked? And how good are the ROMs that have been released? Any input is greatly appreciated

A far as out community its awesome devs are nice, roms are smooth no major issues. samsungs are easy to root and UN root plus using Odin is super easy if you're soft bricked
I use nexusmod4 btw
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unlocked bootloader, and rooting is easy. Good rom support and devs are really good. No ics support as we wait for an official release, but in the mean time work is being done from scratch by jo and others in an aosp release

Sounds good, you guys respond fast too, I like it there's no way to hard brick is there? Lol happened once to me with the first atrix -.-
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There's a forum about it something about Qualcomm recovery and unable to get out without Samsung it can be jtagged for 50
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droid512 said:
There's a forum about it something about Qualcomm recovery and unable to get out without Samsung it can be jtagged for 50
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there's a forum on preventing that though right? I'm guessing it happens if you try to downgrade?
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jstrayy said:
there's a forum on preventing that though right? I'm guessing it happens if you try to downgrade?
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People here are bricking their phones by flashing ROMS for other devices or restoring a backup from a different phone that they saved, and some have checked repartition in Odin which is a big NO NO. That's what mostly is going on here for an unfortunate few. If you read and follow instructions, you'll have a pleasant time.
Edit: Don't feel bad, I bricked an Atrix the first day I got it. I did learn to read more before attempting unlocking BL and rooting.
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Benefits of root?

I've rooted and used custom roms on other devices in the past although I've left my Nexus stock and my OneX is currently stock. With this phone I am trying to figure out why I want to root? The phone runs great, I haven't had reboots or issues and battery life is great.
I don't care for custom roms because in my experience there's always minor things that don't quite work and stability can be so so.
Apart from custom roms any good reason to root this phone? With my Sensation I rooted right away but with the One X, there's nothing that I feel like needs to be addressed with root.
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Bloatware removal, button remap, memory settings to alleviate multitasking woes, ad blocking, tethering, etc... Check out cleanROM SE. Very close to stock, every tweak you need, nothing you don't, just as stable as the stock ROM. My phone is exactly the way I want it now thanks to Scott and his awesome, awesome ROM.
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mobilehavoc said:
I've rooted and used custom roms on other devices in the past although I've left my Nexus stock and my OneX is currently stock. With this phone I am trying to figure out why I want to root? The phone runs great, I haven't had reboots or issues and battery life is great.
I don't care for custom roms because in my experience there's always minor things that don't quite work and stability can be so so.
Apart from custom roms any good reason to root this phone? With my Sensation I rooted right away but with the One X, there's nothing that I feel like needs to be addressed with root.
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Titanium Backup
Change fonts
tweaks like minfree manager to fix multitasking
look through this list https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Root&c=apps

reasons why i need root is removal of bloatware, tweaks, titanium backup, ad block, setcpu profiles and extra settings that devs put in their roms like eqs, button remaps, and wifi hotspot hack.
Can't wait till aokp or cm9 becomes stable. Gave aokp a try and that rom flies on this device.

Responses above pretty much covered it, as far as the benefits of root. But I have to disagree to some degree to the OPs comments on custom ROMs. It completely depends on the ROM and the developer. But my experience with custom ROMs, is that they can often be more stable than stock, and much better performance. Obviously, bugs need to be worked out early on, especially for ROMs that differ significantly from stock (like AOSP ROMs on HTC devices). But once the ROMs reach "maturity" they are often better than stock. And CleanROM is a good example of a ROM that is already stable, since it is mostly stock, but with lots of bloat removed, optimizations, and useful features.
That said, its only fairly recent where Android devices have high enough specs where performance isn't much of an issue on the stock ROM. Even with Sense, the One X is very smooth and responsive, and plenty of people will be just fine staying on the stock ROM. I am mostly on CleanROM due to the nice features like Advanced Power Menu, WiFi Hotspot, and button remap built-in.
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Another thing you can do rooted is install the HTC apps that AT&T removed, including Flashlight and FM Radio.

I did it. Have root.
Any one have links to the button remap that's safe and works on 1.85? I want to do that the black bar with 3 dots drives me crazy.

The Cleanrom 3.0 SE does this. Just rooted last night and I'm loving it. Makes the xda app so much better
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brandontrout said:
The Cleanrom 3.0 SE does this. Just rooted last night and I'm loving it. Makes the xda app so much better
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I don't want to flash a rom, can I patch the stock rom?
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mobilehavoc said:
I don't want to flash a rom, can I patch the stock rom?
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why don't you open the development section and take a look around?

Index where you can find most mods and other things:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
But here is direct link to removing the 3-dot bar and remap the buttons:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645290
You will need to flash Clockwork or TWRP recovery. Or else unzip the contents and copy them into the system folders manually.

redpoint73 said:
Index where you can find most mods and other things:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671237
But here is direct link to removing the 3-dot bar and remap the buttons:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1645290
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give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish...

gunnyman said:
give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish...
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Linking him to my index thread is pretty much teaching him how to fish.

redpoint73 said:
Linking him to my index thread is pretty much teaching him how to fish.
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oh yeah.
sometimes I can be a bit of a douche. Sorry.

gunnyman said:
oh yeah.
sometimes I can be a bit of a douche. Sorry.
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Heh, no worries. Your point in people learning how to find stuff themselves is legit. For some reason I was feeling non-douche today.

redpoint73 said:
Heh, no worries. Your point in people learning how to find stuff themselves is legit. For some reason I was feeling non-douche today.
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The thread is helpful thanks. Btw I can flash CWM and use it for backup/mods without unlocking boot loader right?
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mobilehavoc said:
The thread is helpful thanks. Btw I can flash CWM and use it for backup/mods without unlocking boot loader right?
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nope.
flashing an unsigned recovery like cwm requires unlocked BL

gunnyman said:
nope.
flashing an unsigned recovery like cwm requires unlocked BL
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****. And unlocking boot loader means wiping phone. What a pain in the ass. Wish we could just get s-off so wouldn't have to do all this nonense. I'll just stick with root for now
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If you don't want to unlock the bootloader, you can still install the 3-dot menu mod. You'll need an app like Root Explorer or ES File Explorer (that lets you browse the system files). Unzip the file from the thread, copy to the appropriate places. You will need to mount the folder locations as R/W, and also make sure the permissions on each of the files you copy is right. Read through the thread for that mod for details.

I would recommend unlocking your bootloader and flashing a custom recovery, just so you won't lose root after the next OTA (I recommend TWRP, cwm seems a bit unstable and there are reports of sd wipes). In the dev forum there is a thread that steps you through keeping all of your settings, I would check that out
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Let me entice you for doing the 3butt mod..
Mmmmm.... Full screen goodness FTW!
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[INFO] Why we don't have ICS yet + more info about it

Hi, I have noticed a ton of people curious about why AT&T people do not have ICS yet, so I thought I would answer that once and for all. I admit that I and others have gotten a little mad whenever people ask about this, but it seems they are not able to really find a clear answer, so here it is.
If you feel like this is well done, please sticky it at least until we get it all figured out.
I figure this would be best said i a Q and A type form.
Q: What is ICS, and why does everyone want it so bad?
ICS or "Ice Cream Sandwich" is android version 4.0.x. the next version, 4.1 Jellybean was just released as a slightly less important update, but ICS brought huge changes from Ginger Bread (2.3.x) the previous phone version (3.x HoneyComb was tablet only). ICS brings a slicker, darker, and better looking user interface, as well as many performance enhancements. Most of us want it more because it seems like we should than because it is actually that much better. That said it is still a great update, and most people will be happy to see it.
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Q: Why is it so hard to get ICS for our phone, while others have it even though it is not officially out?
The main reason is our locked bootloader. That means it is not possible to flash or boot a custom kernel unless it is signed with Motorola's key. That is obviously impossible.
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Q: What is a kernel?
the kernel is a major part of any operating system. you can think of it as a sort of layer between hardware and software. It is the part of an OS that communicates directly with a device's hardware. Android is based off the open source Linux kernel, meaning it is free for anybody to build and modify. However, Motorola has only released the source for the ME865, and partially for the MB865, meaning we can't really build a kernel anyways. Then of course, even if we could build one, we wouldn't be able to boot it with our locked bootloader.
ICS is not really complete without the newer kernel that goes with it
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What is Kexec, and is there any way to unlock the bootloader
The fact that I grouped these together would probably lead you to correctly believe they are related. Lets start with the second half. Simply put, NO. I hate to say it, but there is very little hope of EVER unlocking our bootloader, unless Motorola decides to do something like HTC did and allow unlocking.
Kexec is a method of hot switching kernels while still booted. It is actually just a linux tool that you can use on a computer, but it has been built for android essentially allowing you to bypass the bootloader. Theoretically it would be an easy way to run custom kernels. Then why don't we? Well a few reasons. One, we can't really get one built to begin with, especially because, at least to my knowledge, jimbridgman is the only one who actually knows what he is doing with kernel building, and he is only half here now that he got his fany new SGS3. Two, it does not work great. I am not sure the latest version is working at all on our phone, and even if it did, only one processor comes up, meaning it is really slow.
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Q: What's the deal with these Droid 3 builds that supposedly boot?
Some people managed to build ICS for the droid 3 based of a 2.3.6 kernel. that means you can boot it on a stock GB kernel, and therefore you do not need to unlock the bootloader. Unfortunately that means it is not totally ICS, but it is still pretty good. Of course they are for a cdma phone, so that means no data, no calls, and no gps, making it kind of useless.
I am not going to give a link to them, but if you are really interested go search around. any of the Droid 3 AOKP and CM9 builds will boot just fine. Find more info in the dev section, but please don't start a thread asking about it.
We have been trying to port these to work for us, but that is proving more difficult than expected, and with ICS just around the corner, I don't want to put time into it. I do think it is possible, and if you are a dev looking to give it a shot, PM me and I will tell you all I know, and try to help out as much as I can.
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Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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jimbridgman said:
Great thread!
Thanks for putting this together!
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thanks. I felt it was needed. let me know if I forgot to say something important.
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Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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Nice work kras, as always.
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Hell i thought this thread was going to give me info on why att hadn't released ics for us yet. Just kidding, good job. If this thread falls down the list ill bump it so maybe it will help some of the new people and we won't get any more new threads about ics.
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Apex_Strider said:
Perhaps this will hopefully curb some of the incessant "where's my ice cream sandwich" or "make me a rom based on ICS" threads here. Nice job, and as always, your work here is both highly appreciated and revered.
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No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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rdavisct said:
No,Most likely once posts stop on this thread and it makes it to the second page we will see more questions im sure lol
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that's why I asked for sticky
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The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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Fall of Enosis said:
The good news is that the "3rd quarter" is tomorrow! Which knowing motorola and AT&T, could mean whatever.
Take that with a grain of salt. Lol.
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so is September
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Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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gvsukids said:
Why don't we have a vanilla rom? Is it due again to the locked bootloader?
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yep. same thing. we have a hard time compiling any also source as you need a custom kernel
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Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Ravikirancg said:
Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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You are not right. I can prove it. The latest droid 3 AOKP and Cm9 builds will boot just fine, with no radio

You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....

Ravikirancg said:
DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM9
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Couldn't be more wrong....they both boot just fine and are pretty functional, the problem lies in getting the radio to work.

Ravikirancg said:
Nice post..
Just one thing to inform about your last question's ans.. DROID 3'S ROMS DONT WORK ON OUR PHONE. IT WILL BOOTLOOP. SO DO NOT TRY FLASHING THEIR AOKP OR CM.. without backups and sufficient knowledge and experience atleast.. some changes have to be made in the rom before flashing.. i am trying to find all the files we must replace to get them working on our phone.. and just a FYI for those of you that wanna try.. other than droid 3, bionic is our nearest relative.. so u can edit and try their roms as well.. i did kinda get cm9 of bionic after replacing some required files.. but it bootlooped.. and of course bionic is cdma.. so.. good luck..
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Please I emplore you to do your proper research before making incorrect posts like this. I constantly see posts from those who think they know it all, and post idiotic things like this. Nothing makes me madder than someone who does not know how to use google and the search function.
It takes less than 2 min. to make sure you CYA before posting bad information.
Both CM9 and AOKP boot, but with no radio, as has already been said in several posts now. I have tested both.
P.S. most of us devs in here have been working on this very thing for sometime now, and I have not seen you jump in on any of threads discussing the files or how to port or anything.
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Agreed, They actually run extremely well, but obviously I can't stick with them with no radio.
P.S. this is my new best thought for porting, might take some extra build.prop work too. It did not boot for me, but I think we should be able to get it to. Then it is just a question of whether or not the radio will work. there is way more in build.prop on that than I would think.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.

hankbizzo5 said:
You should also add Why any other leak releases of atrix 2 ICS will not work on att atrix 2..... Sick of will this work on my att..... About to be like yea we all use it lol JK.....
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WOW, did I really forget to add that? that was kind of one of the main points of this post I'll fix it tomorrow (actually today, I guess it is after midnight), but I need some sleep.

lkrasner said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1598713
I think it may work because it really adds the cm9 stuff to our own files rather than add our files to it. maybe not the cleanest way, but it might just work.
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I have tried this method along with every idea that popped in my head of things to alter after following this guide. I have a highly modified build prop that AOKP boots with that I replaced with a lot of our build prop but there are still some things missing as no luck yet

AT&T software update today! Just checked. Not Jelly Bean!

Anybody recently check for system updates.. I did just for the he'll of it and got an update. New Software V.2.20. It took about 15 minutes to update. Anybody have any idea what the update fixes or changes?
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Mondingo said:
Anybody recently check for system updates.. I did just for the he'll of it and got an update. New Software V.2.20. It took about 15 minutes to update. Anybody have any idea what the update fixes or changes?
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check your android version. Is it 4.04?
I think you've just closed any loopholes to rooting and unlocking the boot loader.

gunnyman said:
check your android version. Is it 4.04?
I think you've just closed any loopholes to rooting and unlocking the boot loader.
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Where is that warning thread? Someone need to bump it asap.

gunnyman said:
check your android version. Is it 4.04?
I think you've just closed any loopholes to rooting and unlocking the boot loader.
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Oops! Well it is.. but I'm not much into rooting or changing Roms anyway. Do you know besides locking the bootloader what else this android version does? Thanks! If anything..
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Mondingo said:
Oops! Well it is.. but I'm not much into rooting or changing Roms anyway. Do you know besides locking the bootloader what else this android version does? Thanks! If anything..
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if it's 4.04 android you'll have more RAM and thus better multitasking. If it's similar to the leak from Asia, you can change the behavior of the recent apps button in settings. You can make it be the menu button, like god intended.

Mondingo said:
Oops! Well it is.. but I'm not much into rooting or changing Roms anyway. Do you know besides locking the bootloader what else this android version does? Thanks! If anything..
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Not into rooting? You know this is xda and not Android Central, right?
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_MetalHead_ said:
Not into rooting? You know this is xda and not Android Central, right?
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ROFL

Mondingo said:
Anybody have any idea what the update fixes or changes?
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Don't know, why don't you tell us?
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if it's 4.04 android you'll have more RAM and thus better multitasking. If it's similar to the leak from Asia, you can change the behavior of the recent apps button in settings. You can make it be the menu button, like god intended.
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Also, some have mentioned that the multitasking memory management itself seems tweaked in the Asia 2.23 ROM. Its less aggressive about killing apps. Personally, I've been fine with the multitasking thing, so I haven't noticed much of a difference.
Other changes from the 2.23 Asia ROM, aside from the ability to remap the buttons (go Settings>Display, gestures & buttons), the ROM seems a bit smoother all around, such as going between home screens and opening the app drawer. Not too many other big differences on the surface, but that doesn't mean they didn't tweak a bunch of things under the hood.
One other real minor thing I noticed, if you plug the phone into USB, when you select what you want to do (Charge only, Disk Drive, etc.) the "Done" button is gone. I guess it gives one less thing you have to push when making your selection.
What are the kernel and baseband numbers?

iElvis said:
Where is that warning thread? Someone need to bump it asap.
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I'll make another one

Just ran update not that this means anything but stock Quadrant scores are back into the 5000's (first run 5180) yay!
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wow. already so many people jumping the gun and installing it. every carrier now has 4.0.4 update correct? maybe we can expect 4.0.4 source soon.

Baseband
0.19as.32.09.11_2_10.105.32.25L
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3.0.8-01558-g7f75e5b
[email protected] #1
SMP PREEMPT
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I've been sitting on this phone for a few months without rooting because I get to obsessed with it. Hopefully this update doesn't lock me out for good
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Daryl137 said:
I've been sitting on this phone for a few months without rooting because I get to obsessed with it. Hopefully this update doesn't lock me out for good
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You should always assume an OTA will lock you out for good. In fact, I hope it does permanently block everyone from rooting ever again just so I can laugh at all the people who blindly accept an OTA because they think it will turn their phone into a sex doll or something. I can understand that type of behavior on Android Central, but this is xda and it's geared directly at people who root/mod their phones. If a stupid MR OTA is more important than being able to root, then xda is not the forum for you. FYI this comment is not a personal attack, it is a general statement for everyone who jumps to accept an OTA without thinking.
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I remember the HTC aria 2.2 froyo update locked rooting out for a while, but the persistent devs the fixed that fairly quick stop I wouldn't worry too much :thumbup:
As for JB, it took 9mo for the HTC Rezound to get ICS, sooooo...
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Wasn't too worried about being locked out for good. Thought I was with the last update. This phone is a far cry from my little Aria but like to follow along with developments and don't mind testing things out for those who want keep root but want to know what the future holds for the stock phones that will becoming out with this update
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Root help anyone

I made the jump in went to the Razr HD from my rooted/romd x, this phone is great but it would be better if I could rooted and do my own thing. I know there's a few root tools out there but I need to know what the right 1 is for my OS. I'm running ics 4.0.4 now. I just got the phone yesterday and I need to do this before I update to JB because I hear that it's a hard route to follow after the update. Can anyone point me in the right direction.?
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smurfin66 said:
I made the jump in went to the Razr HD from my rooted/romd x, this phone is great but it would be better if I could rooted and do my own thing. I know there's a few root tools out there but I need to know what the right 1 is for my OS. I'm running ics 4.0.4 now. I just got the phone yesterday and I need to do this before I update to JB because I hear that it's a hard route to follow after the update. Can anyone point me in the right direction.?
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Welcome to XDA. You may want to check this thread and possibly this one as well.
Please use our search feature before creating threads as there are several threads that cover the topic in question. It took exactly 2 seconds for me to find the information you were looking for