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Hey Guys im done with Android, i found it very disapointing. The applications and devs just arent there. And if they are some games etc apps are meant for a specific resolution...ie: gameloft games!
Im on verizon and left ATT because of to many dropped calls. But I loved the Iphone...do i wait for iphone on verizon or go windows mobile phone 7.
Android was awesome for what it was... but there was nothing of value in the market. Atleast for me.
If there was no apps in the Android market for you then you will be really disappointed in the WP7 market. It sounds to me like you need to wait for the Verizon iPhone.
I was thinking the same thing blazingwolf.... but i wanted something different. But i guess different isnt always best for some people.
PLus I know wp7 is coming in january for verizon, but if i wait for iphone God knows when its coming to verizon.
I guess im stuck in a waiting game. Thanks!!!!
go with the iPhone, it'll satisfy you more than anything else.
I currently have an N900 running Android, Maemo and Meego. I also have an iPod Touch 4th Gen, and to be honest I use my iPod Touch more than anything else. All the apps/games i play on the go are all on my iPod Touch, i barely use my N900 other than txt or make phone calls.
I had a HTC Touch PRO and wasted so much time with installing custom ROMS and all these other stuff (I was using Energy ROM and always up to date until a few months ago where I sold my Touch Pro) and to be honest, it's just not as fun as owning an iDevice. That's my personal opinion and preference anyway.
I'm not an Apple fanboy either, I will never go for the iPhone coz it's way to expensive and I only go for phones with a qwerty keyboard. But my point is, judging from what you're looking for I say the iPhone is definitely the best choice.
Windows Phone 7 seems promising and I've been following and keep up to date with it since it was announced, I know all about the latest phones running Windows Phone 7. But I don't think it'll do well. Ur better off with the iPhone since u can just get everything straight from the go, not to mention you can jailbreak it (which is ridiculously easy btw) and install even more tweaks and stuff on it, and "FREE" apps and games (if you know what i'm talking about *wink*).
For Android, it's the same *wink* *wink* but the contents aren't as fresh and popular as what the AppStore and the jailbreaking scene or Cydia offers. Trust me, u'll have TONS of fun with so many apps/games for the iPhone. I have like 30GB+ worth lol.
But at least u have an Android phone. I'm sick of my N900 already and wanna get a Desire Z....
Yeah guys thanks for the input, im gonna wait for the iphone. Its my best bet. Thanks again for the opinions!!!
What i learned is a OS is only as good as the applications!!
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Yeah guys thanks for the input, im gonna wait for the iphone. Its my best bet. Thanks again for the opinions!!!
What i learned is a OS is only as good as the applications!!
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well that's the thing, iOS itself wouldn't be good if it weren't for the APP Store and 300,000+ developers backing it up. Let alone the jailbreaking scene, there're tons of *special forums* *wink* if you know what i'm talking about. There're literally hundreds of repos out there, u can find anything u want so easily.
I think one of the strong points about the iDevices is that they all use the same firmware. There're no custom firmwares or anything so everyone focus their development and support etc on the same thing. Not like Windows Mobile or Android where we have tons of stuff everywhere for different devices, and then there're sub-sections for custom firmwares specific for those devices and so on........I'm not saying that's bad but to newcomers that just started with all this, it's a bit of a cluster-fuk and confusing to find what you need.
I have used many OS platforms and almost all the top brands out there, and I can definitely tell u that iOS is the most straightforward and simplest to use from experience.
well dude wherever you go be sure to send a postcard about how much you miss is back here rofl
Just returned from Xmas shopping and thought I was going to get some tablets for family members but found them to be frustratingly slow when compared to the iPad--which is what people are going to do, even though they shouldn't, they're going to. Google did announced that Android <2.2 is simply not ready for tablets and I couldn't agree more.
I have an iPad at home and the cheapest iPad competes successfully with the best tablets Android has, the Dell Streak and Samsung tab. Those tablets are <$600, so's the iPad. Unless there's a specific reason why you'd rather use an Android tablet when the screen is smaller and the whole tablet is overall slower, the choice is easily iPad.
I heard a shopper try to use one and comment how slow Android is. I showed him my Evo to tell him that Android's still in progress, it'll get faster. Unless you don't mind paying for $300 or less for frustration, (inexpensive) Android tablets are just not ready. I hear Honeycomb will have a tabler-optimized system.
** mind you, I'm a Phandroid so...
Couldn't agree more. The galaxy tab is an embarrassment. I tried using one in a store the other day and got 3 force closes in ten minutes, plus a jerky UI and ****house resolution.
I liked the Tab a lot, thought it was really great. Didn't have any issues with it when I played it with it. But I agree to an extent. Problem is, most Android tablets are made poorly. Archos is about the only one that has made decent tablets aside from Dell and Samsung. It could be better though, I'll say that. Right now Android is suited for mobile phones. For a good reason, it's a phone OS.
More reason to look forward to honeycomb. The flagship Google tablet should set the standard for android tablets.
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More reason to look forward to honeycomb. The flagship Google tablet should set the standard for android tablets.
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Yes! And they're going to kick butt. Apple optimized the iPhone's OS for three years before they brought out the iPad. Android is only about three years old, isn't it? I just hope that the crappy tablets out there now haven't damaged Android's rep.
Or Google should've just thrown ChromeOS on tablets. Chrome is basically what I use on my Ubuntu powered netbook. I rarely see the desktop anymore.
I have had a galaxy tab for about 27 days..I also have an ipad that i've had for awhile....I like the tab but it's going back tomarrow...Had 3 and all 3 had dead pixels..I think the screen is better than ipad and using the apps and playing with OS is peppy like my Vibrant but start browsing and it becomes sluggish...Some sites are much worst than others...The stock browser is by far the slowest thing ever..dolphin hd is better but still sluggish..I tried all browsers and disabling flash/plugins and different settings ...No matter what i try browsing is not smooth like my ipad...I hoped a fix came out or a ROM that would fix the laggy browsing but nothing yet....I really like the tab because of A: Android OS vs the boring basic ios4 and B: The screen is better than my ipad...While the ipad screen is very nice the tab is better and once samoled starts coming on them ohhh my!
Google had plenty of time to make the OS smooth, 2.3 is a big fail. I don't know what google has given to people but everyone believes that android will be the next big thing. Seems like we will never reach the promised land.
People had so much expectations about gingerbread, new UI, gpu accelerated graphics, the smoothness, new integration with social networking... Instead you get a 2.3 with a new keyboard and few little things people don't care.
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but is like google doesn't give two ****s about it.
I bought an ipad this past weekend, jailbroke it, and started installing apps and end of story. I have games that i have fun playing with and apps that doesn't look like crap. If iphone had 3g in tmobile i'd consider getting an iphone.
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After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but google don't give two ****s about it.
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It seems like you're the type that just wants their computer to work..[period]. This is not a criticism, you must just not be interested in hacking and modding your phone and why should you have to? There are so many choices out there, you don't have to use an Android phone--unless you were forced into using one.
Some of the apps are crap and some are are not but the choice is yours. The good apps filter to the top and bad ones never surface. I only choose apps that are four stars or better so my apps aren't crap--not to me at least. Don't you think that sort of freedom is nice? I do!
I, for one am glad that Google doesn't give two-****s about it ( I think they do ), it's an open source project and what you do with "your" phone is up to "you". We've never had this sort of freedom and I'm grateful we finally have it. But you don't have to try new ROMs or read any stickies if you don't enjoy it. I know Android phone users who have absolutely no plans to ever root their phone because they're happy with the way the carrier set it up for them--great!
I came from the Blackberry world and the only thing I could do with that was change the wallpaper and the size of the fonts *yawn*. RIM did everything for me and I had no clue what they were doing. Also, I've had Apple products, they magically patch things for me--what's going on? I'd like to know... Apple says, "no you don't--just use it, m'kay?" Microsoft does the same... No... Let's keep this open, I'm having a blast!
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It seems like you're the type that just wants their computer to work..[period]. This is not a criticism, you must just not be interested in hacking and modding your phone and why should you have to? There are so many choices out there, you don't have to use an Android phone--unless you were forced into using one.
Some of the apps are crap and some are are not but the choice is yours. The good apps filter to the top and bad ones never surface. I only choose apps that are four stars or better so my apps aren't crap--not to me at least. Don't you think that sort of freedom is nice? I do!
I, for one am glad that Google doesn't give two-****s about it ( I think they do ), it's an open source project and what you do with "your" phone is up to "you". We've never had this sort of freedom and I'm grateful we finally have it. But you don't have to try new ROMs or read any stickies if you don't enjoy it. I know Android phone users who have absolutely no plans to ever root their phone because they're happy with the way the carrier set it up for them--great!
I came from the Blackberry world and the only thing I could do with that was change the wallpaper and the size of the fonts *yawn*. RIM did everything for me and I had no clue what they were doing. Also, I've had Apple products, they magically patch things for me--what's going on? I'd like to know... Apple says, "no you don't--just use it, m'kay?" Microsoft does the same... No... Let's keep this open, I'm having a blast!
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Wow, well said mate, agreed except for Microsoft phones (WinMo), you can also buy them with the idea of tweaking, hacking, configuring everything to your liking, etc. in mind, unlike blackberry and apple.
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Wow, well said mate, agreed except for Microsoft phones (WinMo), you can also buy them with the idea of tweaking, hacking, configuring everything to your liking, etc. in mind, unlike blackberry and apple.
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Oh? I didn't know that about WinMO. I think that to a point you can hack and mod anything you want. I've seen OS 7 running on an iPhone and thought that was impressive but have no idea if that's difficult or not. But that's not Apple's corporate philosophy where as AOSP, by definition will lends itself to extensive modification and is almost encouraged--man, I've dreamed of this.
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Google had plenty of time to make the OS smooth, 2.3 is a big fail. I don't know what google has given to people but everyone believes that android will be the next big thing. Seems like we will never reach the promised land.
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Android is pretty big right now and still growing.
People had so much expectations about gingerbread, new UI, gpu accelerated graphics, the smoothness, new integration with social networking... Instead you get a 2.3 with a new keyboard and few little things people don't care.
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The UI has different elements from previous versions, but this isn't the first time this happened. This happens with other platforms all the time. Windows Phone 7 for not having Copy and paste off the bat, or any decent homebrew support. Apple with the lack of multitasking, or Blackberry with something actually new and specs that can rival current Android phones!
After 2 yrs and some the OS still is not smooth, it lacks in visual appearance, the apps are crap. I don't know how much longer i'll stay with this OS. Everytime i get a new phone is always read the stickies, flash new roms rinse and repeat. I am so tired of this, i don't know how long is going to stay like this but is like google doesn't give two ****s about it.
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It's not just google mind you, Google can only do so much. If you're gonna blame Google, then you have to blame Qualcomm, Samsung, TI, HTC, etc etc for making the phone and some of the drivers. And I don't know about you, but I didn't flash a new rom every day now. I just get a rom that's best for me, and if it needs updated, I update it. Same thing with stock roms. If Google didn't give 2 ****s about it, then why is Google still supporting Android as much as they are? I like the UI of Android a lot. Easy to customize and change, where as for the longest time in Ios and mostly still now, black background? Windows Phone 7, black background or a different color? For the apps, it's open source. That's what the reviews in the Marketplace are for. I've have good experiences with the apps.
I bought an ipad this past weekend, jailbroke it, and started installing apps and end of story. I have games that i have fun playing with and apps that doesn't look like crap. If iphone had 3g in tmobile i'd consider getting an iphone.
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Ios is also completely locked down in terms of development. Iphone 3g is also nothing compared to current Android phones now. An Arm11 v6 cpu, versus say an Arm Cortex a8? About 400-440mhz underclocked from 600mhz or so, versus even the Droid only being clocked at 550mhz, but having a huge advantage of better instruction sets and Adreno gpu? You obviously haven't done much homework either, Tmobile will support Iphone on their network, and there's even unlock codes in Cydia available. All you need to do, setup a plan with Tmobile, and get a Tmobile Sim card for that plan. It might now have the 3g network enabled, but there's your Iphone for you.
I'm not bad mouthing Apple, Iphone, Windows, Microsoft, WP7, or anything like that. But Apple has complete control over the Iphone and Ios(There isn't even an AT&T logo on the Iphone), WP7 is still young so we'll see how it turns out, and Android is still growing.
I would agree that the iPad is much more advanced. But the Galaxy Tab is pretty decent and I actually love the color nook. It is great for what it does...
Once released, Honeycomb should have a positve major impact on new futere Tablets.
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Just returned from Xmas shopping and thought I was going to get some tablets for family members but found them to be frustratingly slow when compared to the iPad--which is what people are going to do, even though they shouldn't, they're going to. Google did announced that Android <2.2 is simply not ready for tablets and I couldn't agree more.
I have an iPad at home and the cheapest iPad competes successfully with the best tablets Android has, the Dell Streak and Samsung tab. Those tablets are <$600, so's the iPad. Unless there's a specific reason why you'd rather use an Android tablet when the screen is smaller and the whole tablet is overall slower, the choice is easily iPad.
I heard a shopper try to use one and comment how slow Android is. I showed him my Evo to tell him that Android's still in progress, it'll get faster. Unless you don't mind paying for $300 or less for frustration, (inexpensive) Android tablets are just not ready. I hear Honeycomb will have a tabler-optimized system.
** mind you, I'm a Phandroid so...
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I completely disagree. You must not have done your homework well. Right now the best tablets are the tegra tablets. They own the ipad in every way possible and are receiving alot of development. As far as I know there are 4 out now: Toshiba Folio 100, Viewsonic G Tablet, Advent Vega, and the Elocity 7". I'm on the Viewsonic G Tablet, so far the rims developed by our Dev team are 1337! They can play flash, have full market, and are hella fast!
Okay, sorry but I feel the need to ask this flat out. I bought the Droid X a while ago and to be quite frank, it isn't as powerful as I was lead to believe. I jailbroke my itouch two years ago before I purchased my Android. I can now upgrade my device and am wondering if anyone has hands on experience between the three types of devices, which has the "most" enjoyable experience? When I look at my Droid x vs my itouch, honestly I can't help but think the better choice is an iPhone. But if anyone can tell me otherwise, Id be more than happy to listen.
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Just go to your local phone shop and play with all the devices.
Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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Okay so is it possible my droid x was just a bad choice? Iv used a lot of custom roms, miui is my favorite, but would an HTC be a noticeably better upgrade? Instead of another Motorola?
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If you're a basic user (texts, emails, browsing, games) then I'd say go with the iPhone. But if you like modifying and playing with your phone, I'd say go Android - specifically HTC. Even rooted, Motorola phones are still locked down. I personally don't care for Motorola, but that's just my opinion.
But really it depends on what you like. As mentioned, go to your local store and play with the different phones. You can't tell how they're going to operate rooted or jailbroken, but you can get a feel for what you'll be getting.
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I love both ios and androd，because ios is easy to use and androd is easy to DIY
I think Android is great for those who like to do little to major tweaks(I spend more time on those then in games) and people who came from linux
Okay so is it possible my droid x was just a bad choice? Iv used a lot of custom roms, miui is my favorite, but would an HTC be a noticeably better upgrade? Instead of another Motorola?
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If you've already decided you prefer the iOS interface to Android, then an iPhone is the way to go. It's pretty out the box, simplistic and is easy for anyone to jump into. Like others have said, Android has far more power behind it once it's rooted with custom ROMs. Liken it to Windows vs Mac: a Mac looks good but is heavily limited in customisation by default; you can do what you want to Windows for the most part, but it's not going to be like that straight out of the box. Not the best analogy but it depends on what you want from the device.
If you're a basic user (texts, emails, browsing, games) then I'd say go with the iPhone. But if you like modifying and playing with your phone, I'd say go Android - specifically HTC. Even rooted, Motorola phones are still locked down. I personally don't care for Motorola, but that's just my opinion.
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+1.
Id say wait until the new Mango devices are released, HTC are releasing two shortly and it will be interesting to see the new offerings from Nokia with Mango.
I personally wouldnt buy a new device just yet, if you want to play, but a second hand hd2 and choose which OS to play with, a good and cheap way for trying OS out.
If you aint tried Mango, you havent lived
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Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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I heard most people raved about iPhone and never hear them say any specifics when small amount of people complain about the phone. I've never used an iPhone before, can you give some examples what are the cons about iPhone as far as usability/design...etc. sort of as a user (not a developer or technical user) kind of angle? Thanks!
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I heard most people raved about iPhone and never hear them say any specifics when small amount of people complain about the phone. I've never used an iPhone before, can you give some examples what are the cons about iPhone as far as usability/design...etc. sort of as a user (not a developer or technical user) kind of angle? Thanks!
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I actually swapped to using Android (HTC Desire HD) from the iPhone 4. My personal issues with it were the ability to customise the layout out I wanted it. I also didn't like the way my feeds/calendar synced. It seemed simplistic and limiting to me.
That said, a lot of people love it.
I have been there with the Motorola click. hated it after 4 replacements. I gave up.
I have the HTC inspire 4G and loving it. never had a Iphone. and don't want one.
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Agree with IPhone better right out of the box for the common user, but for me, would never choose Iphone over Android, just because there are no limits on what you can do to the Android. Got HTC Incredible the day it was released and rooted/upgraded to custom rom soon after and have been nothing but perfectly happy. Especially back then before apple had cut & paste, multiple application running, bluetooth stereo music streaming, removal batteries/replacement hong kong batteries for $5 each, etc. Been drouling over Samsung Galaxy S2, but may have to settle for Bionic if not available by end of the year on Verizon.
Htc !!!!!
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In terms of performance with an Android device you can suck every bit of it if you want. Also in terms of device performance at the same price Android devices outclass by far Apple's.
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I have used both Apple's and HTC's phones. They are both great. But I would choose the iPhone any day of the week. Probably just because I'm a big Apple fan. HTC makes great phones too. If I were to get an Android phone, it wouldn't be anything except for a HTC.
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Honestly android doesn't compare at all to the iPhone stock. Android sucks when you first use it because of all of the crap and bloat that is loaded onto it by the manufacturer and carrier... to get a good experience out of it you need to root, install custom roms, mod, etc... it's the same idea as jailbreaking an iphone or touch. Explore the forums, try out miui, cm7, etc. and your experience will be a million times better. That's the same as any other android phone.
IPhones are good stock and good jailbroken, they're geared more towards the basic user and not the power user. Android phones are okay stock and great modified.
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I have used both of android and iOS ones. To be honest, even for iOS devices, they vary. I have a 1st generation iPod Touch with 3.1.3, and my dad has 3G with 4.2.1, the experience on 3G is horrible after the update, because the iOS 4 is not made for that. Sure you will get 'better' experience with jailbreak, but it varies from person. So for Apple, I think it is good if you know the capability of your device and play with it.
I got my first android half year ago, HTC Wildfire, it was pretty good experience using it, simply it has the most app for me, gmail. Also it was cheap. But believe me, you dont get any eyes on it, people will think its just an ordinary phone. Second device, HTC Desire S. Just got it a few days ago, yeah this one its much smoother and faster phone, but also expensive.
So overall I did not make any sense on my post, but anyway, I tried.
My 7th post! 3 more then I can thank the LBC ROM for my HTC.
Edit: I think for android, the better configuration the better experience. But on iOS it is not that obvious, you will be able to play most (if not, a LOT) of the games on Appstore with your 2nd generation of iPod touch.
I'd go for HTC.
Have had 3 of them and have never had regrets.
Tested Iphones and was not impressed. Expensive and limited.
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Hello
I am a current iphone 4 user (jailbroken ) and like many other i am very much tempted by the Galaxy S3.
I've read a couple of thread on this forum about moving from ios to iphone however none really answers my main concerns.
A quick question: I read somewhere ( On lifehacker, msg me if you want to full link , its my first post so im not allowed to paste URLs) that all in all JAILBROKEN iphone is better at customization than Android.
Probably not out of the box but mainly because :"... rooting is about as big of a headache as breaking into a bank vault with a safety pin. You have over 100 different Android phones out there, each with its own rooting method, caveats, and risks that you have to research. It's so annoying that we had to turn our rooting guide into a guide for only the top 10 phones, in addition to tacking on an exhaustive glossary of all the crap you have to know before starting the process. "
On iphone , i have cydia. meaning i can install / remove tweaks one at a time without the need to root the whole damn device for a single feature every time.
My question to the pros and/or those who already did the migration.... Do you really miss some tweaking capabilities ? is everything really easier on a jailbroken iphone ?
Thanks , my first post
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Hello
I am a current iphone 4 user (jailbroken ) and like many other i am very much tempted by the Galaxy S3.
I've read a couple of thread on this forum about moving from ios to iphone however none really answers my main concerns.
A quick question: I read somewhere ( On lifehacker, msg me if you want to full link , its my first post so im not allowed to paste URLs) that all in all JAILBROKEN iphone is better at customization than Android.
Probably not out of the box but mainly because :"... rooting is about as big of a headache as breaking into a bank vault with a safety pin. You have over 100 different Android phones out there, each with its own rooting method, caveats, and risks that you have to research. It's so annoying that we had to turn our rooting guide into a guide for only the top 10 phones, in addition to tacking on an exhaustive glossary of all the crap you have to know before starting the process. "
On iphone , i have cydia. meaning i can install / remove tweaks one at a time without the need to root the whole damn device for a single feature every time.
My question to the pros and/or those who already did the migration.... Do you really miss some tweaking capabilities ? is everything really easier on a jailbroken iphone ?
Thanks , my first post
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The only thing true from that statement is that a different rooting method may be required for a different device. An iPhone (jailbroken or not) can never be as customizable as an android device (sometimes even stock). You do not have to "root a device...for a single feature every time." Once you root a device (and don't unroot - intentionally, firmware update, ect.), you will never have to root it again. For android, there are no missing tweaking capabilities - you can do anything you want (unlike the iPhone).
You should go with the Samsung Galaxy S III, you'll like it over the iPhone. It will be easy to root or add a custom rom to. I will be getting it, but currently have the Samsung Galaxy S II on Sprint and it has been very easy to hack. Some things are even automatic! Android has a wider range of what you can do with it too.
Thank you for your info
If some of you are ex-ios users, could you please let me know what options from ios you miss the most ?
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If some of you are ex-ios users, could you please let me know what options from ios you miss the most ?</b>
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I wouldn't classify myself as an "ex-ios user", but I have used many iPhones/iPod touches. To be honest, I really don't miss any options from iOS (most of them - and many more - are included in android). The only thing (more like a variety instead of "option") is that iOS usually gets more games than android (or at least gets them first).
Since you already did a jailbreak, we'll assume you are technically competent.
Your first steps after root (AR) will be slow, so as not to screw anything up too badly. Keep xda handy, just in case. Look at Droid-life. They'll be all over the SGS3.
Eventually, you'll wonder why you didn't act sooner.
Enjoy!
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bebseh said:
Hello
I am a current iphone 4 user (jailbroken ) and like many other i am very much tempted by the Galaxy S3.
I've read a couple of thread on this forum about moving from ios to iphone however none really answers my main concerns.
A quick question: I read somewhere ( On lifehacker, msg me if you want to full link , its my first post so im not allowed to paste URLs) that all in all JAILBROKEN iphone is better at customization than Android.
Probably not out of the box but mainly because :"... rooting is about as big of a headache as breaking into a bank vault with a safety pin. You have over 100 different Android phones out there, each with its own rooting method, caveats, and risks that you have to research. It's so annoying that we had to turn our rooting guide into a guide for only the top 10 phones, in addition to tacking on an exhaustive glossary of all the crap you have to know before starting the process. "
On iphone , i have cydia. meaning i can install / remove tweaks one at a time without the need to root the whole damn device for a single feature every time.
My question to the pros and/or those who already did the migration.... Do you really miss some tweaking capabilities ? is everything really easier on a jailbroken iphone ?
Thanks , my first post
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Thank you for your info
If some of you are ex-ios users, could you please let me know what options from ios you miss the most ?
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In my opinion iOS is almost perfect. And Android has yet to reach that point. This the reason that Apple fights jailbreaking its phones with so much commitment. Whereas, Google and manufacturers really encourage the development of android. iPhone is extremely smooth in operation and function whereas to achieve that on 95 percent of Android phones, you'd have to install a custom rom which might still be in testing stage and still not perfect. Even if you remove all the bloatware on android phones manually, it will still be not as fast as a custom rom. So in short, Apple has perfected their platform for the iPhone whereas Google has yet to do so. But thats where the fun lies, in experimenting with things you don't know. So the feature I miss the most would be an opportunity to experiment a great deal, which is there in Android but not in iOS. But if you look at hardware specs, SIII definitely takes the cake cos its quad core. Apple already has the smoothest performing device but imo, it will soon respond to that. Also, many apps are made first for iOS and then for Android. Lastly, Android devices confuse the customer because there is so much of pointless variation in devices whereas there is just one great iPhone. So you have to keep that in mind as well
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Hello
I am a current iphone 4 user (jailbroken ) and like many other i am very much tempted by the Galaxy S3.
I've read a couple of thread on this forum about moving from ios to iphone however none really answers my main concerns.
A quick question: I read somewhere ( On lifehacker, msg me if you want to full link , its my first post so im not allowed to paste URLs) that all in all JAILBROKEN iphone is better at customization than Android.
Probably not out of the box but mainly because :"... rooting is about as big of a headache as breaking into a bank vault with a safety pin. You have over 100 different Android phones out there, each with its own rooting method, caveats, and risks that you have to research. It's so annoying that we had to turn our rooting guide into a guide for only the top 10 phones, in addition to tacking on an exhaustive glossary of all the crap you have to know before starting the process. "
On iphone , i have cydia. meaning i can install / remove tweaks one at a time without the need to root the whole damn device for a single feature every time.
My question to the pros and/or those who already did the migration.... Do you really miss some tweaking capabilities ? is everything really easier on a jailbroken iphone ?
Thanks , my first post
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A jailbreak will never compare to stock ice cream sandwitch in a galaxy nexus (Google Phone) in customization. Sure ios is more fluid,but then,it's only the one list of apps. It's simplicity is why it can never be properly compared to android. Android isn't complex though,it's just fun. Ios is your granpa with wisdom and unlimited long sleeved shirts. Android is you're cool uncle with tatoos and a Harley. Totally different, but both have their appeal.
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Also I think it's much more practical to have all your tweaks and hacks available in one place ( cydia ) then having to go read countless forums in search for one....
is it true ?
bebseh said:
Also I think it's much more practical to have all your tweaks and hacks available in one place ( cydia ) then having to go read countless forums in search for one....
is it true ?
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Not possible. Different devices have different tweaks and hacks. Plus, the android tweaks are much different. It's not just some overlay to make your phone look different...some of them make deep deep changes to your entire system.
The type of customization you are talking about can be done through the play store. Just install a new launcher and each launcher has tons of themes available.
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In my opinion iOS is almost perfect. And Android has yet to reach that point. This the reason that Apple fights jailbreaking its phones with so much commitment. Whereas, Google and manufacturers really encourage the development of android. iPhone is extremely smooth in operation and function whereas to achieve that on 95 percent of Android phones, you'd have to install a custom rom which might still be in testing stage and still not perfect. Even if you remove all the bloatware on android phones manually, it will still be not as fast as a custom rom. So in short, Apple has perfected their platform for the iPhone whereas Google has yet to do so. But thats where the fun lies, in experimenting with things you don't know. So the feature I miss the most would be an opportunity to experiment a great deal, which is there in Android but not in iOS. But if you look at hardware specs, SIII definitely takes the cake cos its quad core. Apple already has the smoothest performing device but imo, it will soon respond to that. Also, many apps are made first for iOS and then for Android. Lastly, Android devices confuse the customer because there is so much of pointless variation in devices whereas there is just one great iPhone. So you have to keep that in mind as well
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I NEVER owned an Iphone and only use nothing but android phone up until I have my new Ipad. My current devices are, Sprint Evo 4G LTE (sprint version of one x), Motorola xoom, and the new ipad. My wife have the Og EVO 4g, daughter with the Epic 4G and my son now have the Ipod touch 4th generation.
As you can see in my household Android rule and I have quite a bit of experience with android rooting and customization. Can't speak for the IOS in the Iphone (I'm assuming there the same) but up unitl I purchase the new Ipad and was swore that Android devices is so much better in customization than IOS, I was wrong. After jailbreaking my new Ipad and still learning all the tweak you can do inside cydia, it is so enjoyable and effortless, not saying android isn't fun, it is indeed.
What I like about IOS over android is how opitmized each and every apps that is out for both platform. Every apps and games I played on IOS that are also on Android runs ten times better than android. Were talking about web browsing to 3d games everything is silky smooth. Heck even my son jailbreak Ipod is very smooth compare to my flagship android Evo 4G LTE. I will continue to use both platform as long as it suit my needs but my advice is don't give up one platform for another just because of what you've heard. Try it out first and then asked yourself which platform you've perferred the most. For me I like them both in there own ways, just my two cents.
Apple is a closed system ... This is why having an iPhone is a true custom galley ... iTunes update every week day with the jailbreak that jumps ... Short! The big ****!
Since I bought my first Android phone (Nexus S), I found my freedom, I can customize as much as I want my phone. The act of unlocking the phone is primarily for setting much further and for a fan of flash and custom system (custom rom, Cyanogen, MIUI,...).
After a lot cheaper and just as powerful and polyvalant, with a better overlay, Verily I advise you the HTC One X or One S.
The Galaxy S III looks good but I have trouble with the side too plastic and fingerprints at will ... The AMOLED screen is for me to lower quality than the SLCD.
GS3: AMOLED+
HTC ONE X: Super LCD
With my "HTC One X," I month, I am delighted, only a little autonomy default. Side and top design is integrated with the battery.
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Also I think it's much more practical to have all your tweaks and hacks available in one place ( cydia ) then having to go read countless forums in search for one....
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Xda has everything in one place. no?
Great
In android there are good and bad sides.
Bad is that there are still lag, bugs and shut down. But greater side there is many phones you can choose and Specs are better than iPhone 4. There are 1 major thing that annoys my gear that is: there is so many phones and so few updates, like in old phones there is no update to Android 4.0, but in iOS there is that iPhone 3g have iOS 5.0. Few games dont run in android to There are complicated parts and great parts about android
From what I understand, out of the box android is much more "customizable" , but apps and games look much better on IOS ( and is a much more stable system )
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From what I understand, out of the box android is much more "customizable" , but apps and games look much better on IOS ( and is a much more stable system )
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An original system in Ice Cream Sandwich as well as a running IOS, games and application included. There had gaps before, but now Google has caught up.
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Also I think it's much more practical to have all your tweaks and hacks available in one place ( cydia ) then having to go read countless forums in search for one....
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I don't see what your worried about. Just find the xda wiki for your device and everything is right there. Most devices have easy peasy hacking tools (one click everything is installed) and some of the stuff you have to hack your iPhone for (themes,a keyboard change) is stock android. You might even not want to bother with rooting your android phone for a while.
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Will rooting make my phone generally faster ?
because its IOS its the other way around. jailbreaking tends to slow down ur phone
Rooting will alloy you to modify anything and everything, basically. Otherthings to note that make most android devices better, ability to remove battery without voiding warranty/worrying about killing your phone, most have mSD slot for expandable/removable additional memory, LARGER screens, some have physical keyboards, no iTUNES BS!!!, can plug in and drag/drop anything everything you want, more custom roms than you know what to do with, etc. The list goes on and on. I have never/will never own an iFail device. Have used them, and I have to say even my pretty basic media/music players are WAY less compicated than iFail devices. If you want to "sync" to more than one computer, NO PROBLEM, You want to flash a new rom/radio, etc, NO PROBLEM.
Even if there is no physicaly qwerty keyboard, it is nice having more than one button to do all the work.
For me, being a PC person (mostly Linux, some Windoze) having to iTunes just to be able to "sync", modify, load, whatever on to a device is recockulous.
Besides the fact, that you can almost buy a NEW, no extended contract phone for the price of an iFail with a contract should tell you something as well.
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Will rooting make my phone generally faster ?
because its IOS its the other way around. jailbreaking tends to slow down ur phone
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Big yes,it's one of the major reasons people are willing to void their warranty. Lag fixes are a big part of custom roms, some even remove android features just to hit impossible benchmarks and fluidity. Of course, a good balance of features and speed is my recommendation,you'll love it.
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This is what i think the real and biggest problem with android is, the battle is not with apple, their os or their phone. The actual problem is this-
"Google has done an extremely awesome job with jelly bean, the 'project butter' has really changed the Android experience, experience is fast and ultra responsive, devices dont lag when u turn them on or when u wake them from sleep. Google Now is pretty instant and gives some delightfully satisfying answers which the software is all about, offline voice typing is also pretty accurate, fast and an actual step forward with voice typing, the animations are wonderful, the lockscreen is simple and easy to use and its pretty fast, and what to say about notifications they are just a treat to use.
But all of what google has done is waste, total waste.
Cause OEMs wont be able give JB to their devices. Why? Because they will be busy to make stock JB look ugly, they will be busy to just change the way the UI looks so that their device can look be different no matter if its uglier than stock, they will be busy to add stupid features like 'direct call' when the call button is just their above the messages(I MEAN ITS JUST ONE FREAKING TAP ON THE CALL BUTTON AS ITS JUST RIGHT THEIR, U R LOOKING AT THE SCREEN ANYWAY SO U CAN JUST PRESS THAT FREAKING BUTTON TO CALL THAT PERSON), features like 'Tap to Top' (CAN'T U JUST FLICK UR FINGER ON THE SCREEN TO SCROLL BACK TO TOP, IT TURNS OUT THAT U CAN BUT OEMs HAVE TO ADD THESE FANCY FEATURES TO SHOW THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN DO FANCY 'CODING'), they have to add fancy and weird lockscreen. I know some features are important to add for ur company like various camera settings that google don't add cause they simply dont feel the need of those settings, BUT WHY THE HELL OEMs HAVE TO ADD THEIR FREAKING CUSTOM UGLY SKINS AND USELESS FEATURES.
I think google should do something to stop this madness, i see tons of bulls*** on internet just to compare the iphone and android. Most of the comments is people saying that they have older version of android on their device and 'not the one shown in the video' but on iphone they have latest software that is even in 'iphone4s' so they still think iphones are better. It ALL ABOUT UPDATES, GOOGLE WORK REALLY HARD ON ANDROID AND THE RESULT IS THAT MAJORITY OF ANDROID DEVICES ARE STILL ON '2.3.3.
Its pretty dissapointing to see how idiotic OEMs behave about updates, skins and fancy features. I hope the google PDK help OEMs to give faster update.
Some comapnies are still struggling to push ICS to their old devices and JB is out, they are busy in working on their new devices and some few people from their team work on OS updates to old devices, and the process is so slow because they are busy in adding ****ty skins and features.
P.S. Other OEMs should learn from HUAWEI, they also wanted to add some features that they feel are useful to their ICS phones, but they didnt ****ed the UI, they have their file manager, their cloud services, some additional camera app features in their ICS phones but they dont **** the UI."
This is what i think, i was pretty angry about OEMs and updates so i shared all my thoughts on a g+ post and this quote is the same g+ post.
Here is my g+ profile- https://plus.google.com/117638526643371847672/posts
I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
You are absolutely right. Maybe not every OEM's ROM is bad, but they shouldn't try to make things better because it takes a lot of time and usually makes the system look ugly. That makes Android different on almost every manufacturer's device...
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One thing that I have decided that I am just going to buy devices that come under Google's NEXUS program. That way even if I may get not the latest and greatest hardware, I am still assured that I will get updates for at least 2-3 years and instant updates is what we are talking about.
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Anger is good
you were right about every single word
OEMs ruin the Android
trying to make it better
while the only thing happening is Android getting S*** taste instead of vanilla taste
well
on my side
i would prefer if the Stock android was available to all phones beside the OEMs one
in that way we have a choice
also
the Android pure Rom is much better than any other
i came to that after a lot of flashing
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yogi2010 said:
I think/hope Google is having this very revelation, since they are supposedly releasing some more Nexus devices in November. I know I'm waiting to see if one of those devices is a slider, as the rumor goes. I'm definitely with you on this!
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Slider +1:victory:
Haha, I also was getting myself worked up the other day thinking about carriers: I'm sure they also have a lot to do with how long updates take to come out. And, they get you on a 2-year contract, and then you're lucky if they support the device with updates for even 1 year!
I'm hoping PDK begins to lock down a bit of what they can do. Also, Carriers are a huge problem too. They don't want you to get updates.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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You know I see a lot of people thinking that all OEM do is make it look ugly ( to be honest all the OEM and ICS default themes look like crap)
But they do alot more. Take the SGS3 for example. All the nice software that made people excited about it would not be there if OEM didn't add their spin. All the nice features people enjoy wouldn't be there either. I mean if all that stuff didn't matter then people would be running a nexus as it is pure android.
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I understand what u mean, i have also mentioned in op that many OEMs feel the need of some features that stock android doesnt have and they can add and they should obviously add them but amount of these features are really low, most of the features we see are just fancy features that show that they can also 'code'.
I know a bit about android ICS (stock) as i make themes for theme engine and i made roms earlier. Its divided into two parts or two UIs, one is the dark part or the dominating part that we see across ICS, the grey backgrounds with blue text, other is the light UI, that is the white backgrounds with blue and black text. I am also not a big fan of they grey part of the UI but the white part is just wonderful. Also no OEMs' ui i have seen is better than stock ICS UI so they are clearly making it worse.
I hope google go full on with their white/light UI in next version of android.
Also i agree to the fact that many required features that a consumer wants these days with software these days are lacking in stock android like some settings, options and features in camera app, that actually all consumers these day want. I have seen many nokia users who still buy nokia phones cause they have these small features to mess with in camera app. There are many things that android team have not thought of added in stock android, and i think the main reason for that is the fear of people declaring their OS as 'complicated' and non-user friendly.
What worse it can get. Now Gnexus may get banned.
From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
Good point.
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From now on Google is going to allow OEMs to gain access to upcoming versions of Android sooner than the general public so that they can get updates out sooner.
OEM skins annoy me as well. Most people care more about the apps than the OEM skin and all these differences between carriers default skins creates some fragmentation. OEM bloatware that can't be uninstalled also annoys me but at least with ICS apps can now be hidden without rooting.
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But still, Google is doing so that OEMs are ready to push updates along with Google. If Google is gonna give them new versions earlier we can assume they will give 1-2 months earlier and they will still be working on it so they will also give new source code later maybe 10-20 days earlier. So OEMs like Samsung or HTC who take 5-7 months for an update will still not be able to catch up with Google's announcements and updates.
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I agree and disagree.. I never used stock roms until i purchased the droid razr. I know blur makes it look better and also realize that motorola has a **** ton of bloatware that i have to freeze but i've been happy with gingerbread and now the ics stock roms. I do however think that needs to include an option to root the device on the configuration when you first setup the device. I think it shouldn't have locked bootloaders or things like that because it is linux underneath the nice ui and you should be able to mod it the way you like without having to hack everything. Long story short, most stock roms do look like crap and are bloated but some do a good job.
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Another thing I forgot about is carriers, they need to get their hands out of the software. My broadband ISP doesn't care what updates or OS I am running, they just provide me internet.
Ideally we would get all software upgrades from Google sort of like Windows, but I'm not sure if this is possible with Android. At least just let us update direct from the OEM, carriers shouldn't have to approve updates.
Guys support me and others who are with me and retweet #OmlyNexus and #****AndroidOEMs .
The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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The OEMs don't care what you think, because they want you to run THEIR software - which they will be putting on their phones instead of Android eventually.
That's why Google is pushing their Nexus line to the next level, they know this to be true.
Look up Tizen and read about what Samsung is planning on doing.
With the open source nature of Linux, mfg's don't care about Android. That's why they are getting their customer's used to their "flavor" of Android, whether it be Sense UI or TouchWiz. They aren't spending all this time and money so that their developers can learn to make Android better.. they're getting ready to launch their own projects.
Google knows their time is limited as far as Android being the only major Linux player in the mobile phone business, and it's coming faster than people realize. Firefox, Tizen, Ubuntu.. just watch.
Half of these Android users won't even be on Android in two years, because they are loyal to HTC or Samsung, not Google.
Hence, the Nexus line.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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Actually u r a bit wrong here. As people are getting more informed and educated about android they are getting to know it, once they know and love android. They won't buy a new Samsung device with tizen or bada in it. I live in India, people here are slowly starting to know about android. And as u all know India is not one of the developed countries, still if people can like and know android and be loyal to it then why can't other countries' people do the same. We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first. Most of the companies are able to produce good hardware and mostly on a similar level, what matters is the software and OS.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I'll have to respectfully disagree here.
When the Samsung GS4 or the next HTC flagship device comes out, no one is going to care if it's running Android or not, except die-hard Android fans. All they will care about is the new features that the phone offers. And the mfgs are smart, they will make their platform compatible with Android apps, allow Google Market (and others). Look at Amazon, guarantee they will have their own Linux dist. as well eventually
and in regard to "We are going into a new era, its not about hardware anymore, firmware comes first"
Uh, I don't think so. Minus the Nexus crowd, nobody buys their next phone because it is going to have JB, they buy it because it's going to have the newest/fastest dual/quad core, XXMp Camera, the newest 'smart' feature, the bigger screen, etc. Nobody ran out to buy the GS3 because it has ICS...
XDA is about 1-2% (if that) of Android users. And even on XDA, half of the users don't know enough about Android to even matter. Maybe it's somewhat different in India, but my guess is the people you are referring to are just starting to understand what Android/Linux really means, so that isn't really relevant to this discussion.
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I don't think a die hard fan of a flagship phone from Samsung or HTC is gonna buy the new flagship phone if the company changes the OS. I know people care about hardware but that doesn't mean they go totally mad about it, not looking the software at all. Btw, play store access is only for Google/android phones.
Also, nobody bought Gs3 cause it just had a quad core or it had a 8mp camera. If Samsung had bada or maybe android 2.1 on it then believe me it would have been samsung's worst selling phone.
Edit: Will u buy a new i7 3rd Gen laptop if it had windows 2000 and a restriction that u can't change it??? For same price that u buy a normal i7 laptop or even higher.