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I'm making the transition from my old Droid X to the VZW Galaxy S3, and I have a few questions. The flashing process between these two phones are quite different and perhaps another ex-Droid X user (or just an all around knowledgeable person) could help me out.
1. To my knowledge, we were never able to flash Kernels on the Droid X because of its locked bootloader. So how does Kernel flashing work? Are there certain kernels that only pair with certain roms, or can you flash any kernel you like with any rom? I have a feeling it's the former, as I've already seen kernels categorized i.e. Touchwiz Kernels or CM10 based kernels.
2. With the Droid X, all roms were flashed using CWM. But with this phone that's not always the case right? Some may require a kexec method or even a custom recovery image, correct?
3. I've seen a few roms recommend backing up IMEI / MEID / EFS data before flashing. Is something I should consider doing whenever I flash, just as one would do a nandroid backup?
4. I've seen a few threads mentioning flash count, resetting flash count, etc. Should I be concerned with flash count? If so, why?
5. With the Droid X, before you could flash a rom, you had to make sure the firmware you were on was compatible with whatever rom you were trying out. For example, if you wanted to try cm7 you had to flash over the stock froyo kernel. If you wanted to try miui you had to flash over a stock gingerbread kernel. However, it would seem, with the S3 you can flash any rom (whether it be an ics rom or a jb rom) over stock 4.0.4. Is this correct? Can you flash an ics rom over the top of a jb rom? Or do you always have to revert back to ics stock?
6. Is Odin the Samsung equivalent of rsd lite?
D-meist said:
I'm making the transition from my old Droid X to the VZW Galaxy S3, and I have a few questions. The flashing process between these two phones are quite different and perhaps another ex-Droid X user (or just an all around knowledgeable person) could help me out.
1. To my knowledge, we were never able to flash Kernels on the Droid X because of its locked bootloader. So how does Kernel flashing work? Are there certain kernels that only pair with certain roms, or can you flash any kernel you like with any rom? I have a feeling it's the former, as I've already seen kernels categorized i.e. Touchwiz Kernels or CM10 based kernels.
2. With the Droid X, all roms were flashed using CWM. But with this phone that's not always the case right? Some may require a kexec method or even a custom recovery image, correct?
3. I've seen a few roms recommend backing up IMEI / MEID / EFS data before flashing. Is something I should consider doing whenever I flash, just as one would do a nandroid backup?
4. I've seen a few threads mentioning flash count, resetting flash count, etc. Should I be concerned with flash count? If so, why?
5. With the Droid X, before you could flash a rom, you had to make sure the firmware you were on was compatible with whatever rom you were trying out. For example, if you wanted to try cm7 you had to flash over the stock froyo kernel. If you wanted to try miui you had to flash over a stock gingerbread kernel. However, it would seem, with the S3 you can flash any rom (whether it be an ics rom or a jb rom) over stock 4.0.4. Is this correct? Can you flash an ics rom over the top of a jb rom? Or do you always have to revert back to ics stock?
6. Is Odin the Samsung equivalent of rsd lite?
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1. Flashing kernels has been made as simple as flashing ROMs
2. kexec is outdated since the bootloader got unlocked. You can also still use CWM on this or there's another recovery that people like called TWRP (Download an app called EZ-Recovery from the play store, youll need it to flash any recovery)
3. Losing IMEI is a royal paiin in the arse, but it's rare. Either way you want to back it up. I believe the guide on how to do so is in the Development Forum.
4. I haven't tripped the flash count. Basically all it is is a way for Verizon to tell if you been f'in with your phone. I Believe that only AOSP/AOKP ROMs can trip it, not stock ROMS
5. It's a bit simpler flashing between ROMs on this phone. Just wipe data/factory reset and flash away. For the most part.
6. Yes it is basically.
Check the guide out in my sig, it'll explain how to do most everything in detail.
Brian Gove said:
1. Flashing kernels has been made as simple as flashing ROMs
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To Elaborate on this just a bit, yes it is as easy as flashing roms but you were correct in saying that there are aosp kernels and there are tw kernels. just make sure the os version (ICS, JB) and the framework (TW, AOSP) match your rom and you are good to go!
Relentless D said:
To Elaborate on this just a bit, yes it is as easy as flashing roms but you were correct in saying that there are aosp kernels and there are tw kernels. just make sure the os version (ICS, JB) and the framework (TW, AOSP) match your rom and you are good to go!
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Thanks Brian and Relentless. Going to cut my teeth on an easy TW rom for starters, probably Synergy.
D-meist said:
Thanks Brian and Relentless. Going to cut my teeth on an easy TW rom for starters, probably Synergy.
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If you are just getting your feet wet with tw roms, you might consider giving Bean's a try. I've been using Build 9 since it dropped and it's smooth.
imo, it's themed just enough to not look like a straight tw rom, the performance is great and the battery life is fantastic as well.
I've tried synergy once or twice and was never quite completely satisfied with it.
D-meist said:
Thanks Brian and Relentless. Going to cut my teeth on an easy TW rom for starters, probably Synergy.
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I haven't run CM or MIUI or any other AOSP ROM on this phone so take this with a grain of salt;
If you want cool stuff and constant bugs/lack of normal features go with the AOSP....
If you want some cool stuff and a nice stable daily driver... go with the TW ROMs. I've been running Synergy since 1.2(or 3 I cant remember lol) and I love it. Everything works on it, it's stable, and it's currently being ported to Jelly Bean so I can't wait for that shtuff. Eschelon and the rest of his team are good about listening to feature suggestions/requests too when they got time so more and more will be added.
Brian Gove said:
I haven't run CM or MIUI or any other AOSP ROM on this phone so take this with a grain of salt;
If you want cool stuff and constant bugs/lack of normal features go with the AOSP....
If you want some cool stuff and a nice stable daily driver... go with the TW ROMs. I've been running Synergy since 1.2(or 3 I cant remember lol) and I love it. Everything works on it, it's stable, and it's currently being ported to Jelly Bean so I can't wait for that shtuff. Eschelon and the rest of his team are good about listening to feature suggestions/requests too when they got time so more and more will be added.
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Relentless D said:
If you are just getting your feet wet with tw roms, you might consider giving Bean's a try. I've been using Build 9 since it dropped and it's smooth.
imo, it's themed just enough to not look like a straight tw rom, the performance is great and the battery life is fantastic as well.
I've tried synergy once or twice and was never quite completely satisfied with it.
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The moral of the story...Try out a few different roms What is amazing for one person might not be for the next. I'm flashing new roms every few days because I always want to see what else is out there.
Relentless D said:
The moral of the story...Try out a few different roms What is amazing for one person might not be for the next. I'm flashing new roms every few days because I always want to see what else is out there.
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Yea I had beans for a little while... I honestly cant remember why I switched. I was just suggesting he stick with the TW ROMs period cuz I dont feel the AOSP ROMs are anywhere near stable enough yet.
Don't want to hijack OP's thread, but do any of you know how to check flash counter?
I will be getting my FOURTH sg3 this week, and this is the first time I will be returning a phone that I had rooted/unlocked/rommed. I'm all back to stock, just want to make sure I don't get a bill for $600.
Kreeker said:
Don't want to hijack OP's thread, but do any of you know how to check flash counter?
I will be getting my FOURTH sg3 this week, and this is the first time I will be returning a phone that I had rooted/unlocked/rommed. I'm all back to stock, just want to make sure I don't get a bill for $600.
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haven't tried it but this is the best I've found searching around real quick.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1781471
Brian Gove said:
3. Losing IMEI is a royal paiin in the arse, but it's rare. Either way you want to back it up. I believe the guide on how to do so is in the Development Forum.
How "rare" is it to lose the IMEI after flashing? And is losing your IMEI a possibility flashing any ROM or just certain ones like CM10 or AOSP, or are TW and Stock roms susceptible to this as well?
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davefields3 said:
How "rare" is it to lose the IMEI after flashing? And is losing your IMEI a possibility flashing any ROM or just certain ones like CM10 or AOSP, or are TW and Stock roms susceptible to this as well?
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I honestly don't know. One of the devs for Synergy ROM said something to the effect its "a weird Samsung reboot code and so the phone automatically restores a bad backup of your IMEI. It's a fluke thing"
It's 100% random when flashing anything I believe.
If u use the synergy Rom to flash it automatically has a script to back up your meid number and stuff. I've flashed synergy official cm10 nightlies without a hitch. Just make sure that u obtain root and unlock the bootloader and flash recovery. Thus far I've had no problems. Btw synergy Rom is the best one out there. Jellywiz is a jb Rom it is awesome but only thing that doesn't work is sms at the present time. If u want to back up ur meid best tool to use is qpst just Google it. Also all in one tool that has been great for me unlocking obtaining root and stuff is Verizon gs3 casual tool. In order to use that tool u mist have java se framework which u can find at the java website. Any questions feel free to shoot me a message! Good luck!
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chrisharper9643 said:
If u use the synergy Rom to flash it automatically has a script to back up your meid number and stuff. I've flashed synergy official cm10 nightlies without a hitch. Just make sure that u obtain root and unlock the bootloader and flash recovery. Thus far I've had no problems. Btw synergy Rom is the best one out there. Jellywiz is a jb Rom it is awesome but only thing that doesn't work is sms at the present time. If u want to back up ur meid best tool to use is qpst just Google it. Also all in one tool that has been great for me unlocking obtaining root and stuff is Verizon gs3 casual tool. In order to use that tool u mist have java se framework which u can find at the java website. Any questions feel free to shoot me a message! Good luck!
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Just to clarify. Synergy is a stock tw based rom and CM10 is well a cm based rom. Two different monsters and roms entirely.
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U r right but both can be flashed the same way
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Brian Gove said:
3. Losing IMEI is a royal paiin in the arse, but it's rare. Either way you want to back it up. I believe the guide on how to do so is in the Development Forum.
How "rare" is it to lose the IMEI after flashing? And is losing your IMEI a possibility flashing any ROM or just certain ones like CM10 or AOSP, or are TW and Stock roms susceptible to this as well?
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I found this thread which looks like the Synergy guys made a script to backup IMEI. I gave it a go and was succesful in backing it up. Seemed much easier than the QPST method. Don't know if it will actually restore, but hopefully I'll never have to find out.
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So Im ready to go through and flash a ROM finally but I just want to make sure I do things right. I have clockwork mod and have made a backup already. After I download the ROM do they come with different kernels or can I use stock? Also what is a good stable ROM to start with? Id like to get a jellybean one but I have seen one with a lot of bugs still. Any help would be great
Tap'n
9Start with clean rom + clean kernel . This is a good dose to start.
Once you feel comfortable and would like a higher dose
Then move to beans or synergy ..here you can mix and match kernels and roms
Beans comes with imos kernel
Synergy comes with ziggys kernel
Mix and match kernels for your perfect combination
By now you are probably craving a rom with daily updates
Cm10 paranoidandroid AOKP are 3 roms with daily updates
Here youll find imos aosp kernel and kt kernel that go hand in hand with aosp.
By now the first leak of VZW touchwiz jellybean should be hitting the interwebs to take care of any addiction that may ensue. Happy flashing.
VZW GALAXY S 3 4G LTE
DROID3R said:
9Start with clean rom + clean kernel . This is a good dose to start.
Once you feel comfortable and would like a higher dose
Then move to beans or synergy ..here you can mix and match kernels and roms
Beans comes with imos kernel
Synergy comes with ziggys kernel
Mix and match kernels for your perfect combination
By now you are probably craving a rom with daily updates
Cm10 paranoidandroid AOKP are 3 roms with daily updates
Here youll find imos aosp kernel and kt kernel that go hand in hand with aosp.
By now the first leak of VZW touchwiz jellybean should be hitting the interwebs to take care of any addiction that may ensue. Happy flashing.
VZW GALAXY S 3 4G LTE
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Thanks for the help. Now if I were to cwm back to my backup of stock does that reinstall my stock kernel?
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yep
So do I flash the .zip of the ROM first then the kernel then reboot? Cause I tried beans but you can use stock kernel with it cause my bootloader isn't unlocked
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techgov8 said:
So do I flash the .zip of the ROM first then the kernel then reboot? Cause I tried beans but you can use stock kernel with it cause my bootloader isn't unlocked
Tap'n
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Just download ezunlock from the market to unlock your bootloader. No reason to keep it locked.
Zalithian said:
Just download ezunlock from the market to unlock your bootloader. No reason to keep it locked.
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Well I heard if its unlocked then it can brick you if you OTA. Or does the lock button actually re-lock it?
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techgov8 said:
Well I heard if its unlocked then it can brick you if you OTA. Or does the lock button actually re-lock it?
Tap'n
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yeah it can, just never accept and OTA and you'll be good. Plus since you want to install custom roms, your going to need custom recovery. These block otas from happening even if it was automatically pushed to your phone.
The lock button does relock it.
tu3218 said:
yeah it can, just never accept and OTA and you'll be good. Plus since you want to install custom roms, your going to need custom recovery. These block otas from happening even if it was automatically pushed to your phone.
The lock button does relock it.
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If you're going into custom roms there's not really much reason to accept OTA anyway.
techgov8 said:
Well I heard if its unlocked then it can brick you if you OTA. Or does the lock button actually re-lock it?
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almost all custom roms dont allow the pop up about a OTA anyways so you should be clear
Ive used Synergy v1.7, and CleanRom 2.0/CleanKernel 1.0 is way better and smoother than Synergy. Im thinking about upgrading to Beans..but im not sure I want to do that yet till all the bugs are worked out of the different Roms to choose from now.
I have tried to use CleanKernel 1.2 & Lean Kernel .10 on this ROM. After installing both kernels I seem to get a huge "non responsive" delay after the screen shuts off and the lock screen appears. Is this because the base has been updated to VZW G7 OTA and Kernels are for an older base? Or is there a fix that I am missing? I have ran both kernels with no problems on older based ROMS.
natgear2510 said:
I have tried to use CleanKernel 1.2 & Lean Kernel .10 on this ROM. After installing both kernels I seem to get a huge "non responsive" delay after the screen shuts off and the lock screen appears. Is this because the base has been updated to VZW G7 OTA and Kernels are for an older base? Or is there a fix that I am missing? I have ran both kernels with no problems on older based ROMS.
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Rule of thumb: Never flash a Rom made for one base on a different base. You have to wait until dev makes one for the new base. Many things could go wrong. Consider you're lucky.
buhohitr said:
Rule of thumb: Never flash a Rom made for one base on a different base. You have to wait until dev makes one for the new base. Many things could go wrong. Consider you're lucky.
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Actually, most of the times, you can flash a kernel that's based off of a different source base on a different base ROM as long as they are the same Android version (same framework). VRALG7 did not change much other than some of the apps and on the kernel side, I don't believe anything has changed. That should go true for radio too. For the OP, did you come from wipe everything and flash clean? Also, I am not sure what kind of modification the ULE went through but it may be lacking some libs or ramdisk since the rom is so damn light. Go and pull the boot.img from original ULE and see if the original kernel causes the same issue.
I installed the KT747 kernel. It runs GREAT with this ROM! No lag, super smooth & fast. Thx for the replies! KTweaker app is Awesome! The unresponsive / frozen lock screen is gone! CleanROM ULE + KT747 = Winner!
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buhohitr said:
Rule of thumb: Never flash a Rom made for one base on a different base. You have to wait until dev makes one for the new base. Many things could go wrong. Consider you're lucky.
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I agree! Scott updated Clean ROM yesterday to 2.5 which is based off of the new G7 baseband. As Scrosler states in the OP, a new clean kernel is not available yet, so when you flash the new 2.5 you will be on stock. It's worth updating though! I'm sure an updated/upgraded kernel and mods will be out soon enough.
I had that same issue
natgear2510 said:
I have tried to use CleanKernel 1.2 & Lean Kernel .10 on this ROM. After installing both kernels I seem to get a huge "non responsive" delay after the screen shuts off and the lock screen appears. Is this because the base has been updated to VZW G7 OTA and Kernels are for an older base? Or is there a fix that I am missing? I have ran both kernels with no problems on older based ROMS.
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SO what I did, made surei have no cpu apps runnung to be set on boot ( major problem when using titanium as a restore agent )
Then I flashed scotts clean kernel ( whatever the lastest edition is ).
Then right then and there wiped cache, and dalvik and then fixed permission.
THEN HERE IS WHERE ITS VERY IMP. I LET THE PHONE SIT FOR 10 MINS BEFORE TOUCHING IT AGAIN.
Now i am running smooth .
This is on .lk 0.9 which is essentially the same as lk .10
This is an awesome device but why aren't there any roms out for this device I see one but that it..would like to see some development progress for this device please
any updates? i cant find any, but its still a bit tough to navigate this board for me
marcviado said:
This is an awesome device but why aren't there any roms out for this device I see one but that it..would like to see some development progress for this device please
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User's from the mini/ultra/maxx all use this forum since it's all basically the same phone... If you're on the Ultra there is one custom ROM available in the development section as they belong...the only ROM I've seen is the PAC ROM, provides much customization and lots of features... Our ultra and I believe the other two models do not have an unlocked boot loader so you can't flash a custom ROM or kernel without that...if you have the Dev version of the maxx then you can go ahead and unlock your boot loader and enjoy the Rom(s)
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ahjee said:
User's from the mini/ultra/maxx all use this forum since it's all basically the same phone... If you're on the Ultra there is one custom ROM available in the development section as they belong...the only ROM I've seen is the PAC ROM, provides much customization and lots of features... Our ultra and I believe the other two models do not have an unlocked boot loader so you can't flash a custom ROM or kernel without that...if you have the Dev version of the maxx then you can go ahead and unlock your boot loader and enjoy the Rom(s)
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i have safestrap installed, so i could flash ROM's, but im not interested in the very initial stages of ROM's...but am i right where i could flash it?
im in the middle of the OTA update right now anyways..so bye root for now...
Well the ota can be rooted and I have safe strap as well but without an unlocked boot loader you cannot flash Roms or kernel's... Having safestrap does not mean you can flash away, the boot loader is what matter's buddy. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...but if you want root after the ota check out the development section... Jcase already has taken care of that
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ahjee said:
Well the ota can be rooted and I have safe strap as well but without an unlocked boot loader you cannot flash Roms or kernel's... Having safestrap does not mean you can flash away, the boot loader is what matter's buddy. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...but if you want root after the ota check out the development section... Jcase already has taken care of that
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im new to android flashing, and bootloaders and all of that, but im only going off of my past experiences with my droid 4.
what i thought: a locked bootloader meant no custom kernels. as long as i have a custom recovery such as safestrap, i could flash ROM's, which is why there are ROM slots. i had eclipse ROM on my droid 4 even though that had a locked bootloader.
where am i getting confused? did the rooting process take care of the bootloader? or did ss bypass that?
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im new to android flashing, and bootloaders and all of that, but im only going off of my past experiences with my droid 4.
what i thought: a locked bootloader meant no custom kernels. as long as i have a custom recovery such as safestrap, i could flash ROM's, which is why there are ROM slots. i had eclipse ROM on my droid 4 even though that had a locked bootloader.
where am i getting confused? did the rooting process take care of the bootloader? or did ss bypass that?
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You're right, you can flash roms with a locked bootloader. However you cannot flash a kernel (boot image) with a locked bootloader. So far though, no stock based roms that I know of for this phone. I don't know if that's because safestrap is still in beta or what.
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You're right, you can flash roms with a locked bootloader. However you cannot flash a kernel (boot image) with a locked bootloader. So far though, no stock based roms that I know of for this phone. I don't know if that's because safestrap is still in beta or what.
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whats a non "stock based" ROM? i have only had phones with a locked bootloader, so im a bit confused there. what would be different? would it be seen, or would that only be how the phone does stuff internally?
marcviado said:
This is an awesome device but why aren't there any roms out for this device I see one but that it..would like to see some development progress for this device please
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There aren't custom ROMs because there isn't a need for one, IMO.
This is the cleanest, most stable, coolest OS I've ever experienced anywhere.
I can't imagine a custom ROM out there that I would prefer.
redddog said:
There aren't custom ROMs because there isn't a need for one, IMO.
This is the cleanest, most stable, coolest OS I've ever experienced anywhere.
I can't imagine a custom ROM out there that I would prefer.
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as with the ROM i had with my droid 4, the ROM isnt definitely something completely different from the factory. it could be de-bloated, include apps that work well with the device, disable/remove apps that nobody uses. tidy up the framework of the stock ROM.
i would love a pre-cleaned ROM, wifi tether, or really just a deodexed ROM at this point.
tortoracer said:
im new to android flashing, and bootloaders and all of that, but im only going off of my past experiences with my droid 4.
what i thought: a locked bootloader meant no custom kernels. as long as i have a custom recovery such as safestrap, i could flash ROM's, which is why there are ROM slots. i had eclipse ROM on my droid 4 even though that had a locked bootloader.
where am i getting confused? did the rooting process take care of the bootloader? or did ss bypass that?
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The droid 4 used a method called kexec which highjacked the boot process and allowed a custom bootloader to run instead of the phones locked bootloader. Hashcode has stated that kexec may never work for the new moto line but there's always hoping. This is why I just ordered the developers edition.
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nukeruss said:
The droid 4 used a method called kexec which highjacked the boot process and allowed a custom bootloader to run instead of the phones locked bootloader. Hashcode has stated that kexec may never work for the new moto line but there's always hoping. This is why I just ordered the developers edition.
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i thought without an unlocked bootloader you could not install custom roms, i knew you couldn't with kernels but i thought no roms either... i am mistaken i assume by the response of the others, or can you not do either? Either way, if you can't use a custom kernel then most custom roms will not work anyhow
ahjee said:
i thought without an unlocked bootloader you could not install custom roms, i knew you couldn't with kernels but i thought no roms either... i am mistaken i assume by the response of the others, or can you not do either? Either way, if you can't use a custom kernel then most custom roms will not work anyhow
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Incorrect. The Droid X had a locked bootloader, but it had a fairly large dev community. No custom kernels, but there was a good amount of ROM's available.
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Incorrect. The Droid X had a locked bootloader, but it had a fairly large dev community. No custom kernels, but there was a good amount of ROM's available.
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That would mean roms either came with no kernel baked in or they used to stock kernel then. I never had a phone without the boot loader being unlockable that being said how the devs and community spoke it came off as without it being that way no ROM was flashable but it was likely due to that most Roms come with a kernel baked in which is usually not stock. Anyway, thanks for correcting and informing me. Having a locked boot loader is new to me.
So I assume if I can manage to remove the kernel from the ROM zip I could flash the PAC ROM in our development section?
Sent from Ahjee's phone which is likely better than your lesser phone that doesn't have as many processors and can't run games as smoothly as this beast of a phone does stock
ahjee said:
That would mean roms either came with no kernel baked in or they used to stock kernel then. I never had a phone without the boot loader being unlockable that being said how the devs and community spoke it came off as without it being that way no ROM was flashable but it was likely due to that most Roms come with a kernel baked in which is usually not stock. Anyway, thanks for correcting and informing me. Having a locked boot loader is new to me.
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I believe (at least on the DX) flashing just didn't touch the kernels at all, so we were always running the stock kernel. But I'm not a dev, so don't quote me.
On the droid x and RAZR (prior to kexec) all ROMs were built using the stock kernel. The doid x had an official cm build using the stock kernel. Using the stock kernel for custom ROMs like cm makes it much more difficult to get everything going smooth because the kernel has been optimized to work with the stock ROM which may be a couple versions of android behind.
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Look at this post from the nook color thread. Unlocked boot loader with awesome devas equals a device that never dies. The nook color is currently on 4.3 and will probably get 4.4 before long.
That's right. Big ups to Cicadaman for that first Froyo port, "Nookie Froyo", which was invaluable for helping get that first CM7 (gingerbread) build booting (like months and months before GB showed up officially in BN's bastardized android, I might add!) Dalingrin joined in soon after and we and a few others got it polished together.... God, this was what, late 2010 or early 2011. It's hard to believe Android didn't even have even basic tablet support for soft buttons... requiring Tablet Tweaks... Oh, how time flies... :silly: ...and the nook color is still kickin'...
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nukeruss said:
On the droid x and RAZR (prior to kexec) all ROMs were built using the stock kernel. The doid x had an official cm build using the stock kernel. Using the stock kernel for custom ROMs like cm makes it much more difficult to get everything going smooth because the kernel has been optimized to work with the stock ROM which may be a couple versions of android behind.
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Look at this post from the nook color thread. Unlocked boot loader with awesome devas equals a device that never dies. The nook color is currently on 4.3 and will probably get 4.4 before long.
That's right. Big ups to Cicadaman for that first Froyo port, "Nookie Froyo", which was invaluable for helping get that first CM7 (gingerbread) build booting (like months and months before GB showed up officially in BN's bastardized android, I might add!) Dalingrin joined in soon after and we and a few others got it polished together.... God, this was what, late 2010 or early 2011. It's hard to believe Android didn't even have even basic tablet support for soft buttons... requiring Tablet Tweaks... Oh, how time flies... :silly: ...and the nook color is still kickin'...
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sorry if it is a dumb question, but what exactly is a kernel? a ROM is like the operating system i assume, but..?
tortoracer said:
sorry if it is a dumb question, but what exactly is a kernel? a ROM is like the operating system i assume, but..?
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not a stupid question dude, there's a lot going on with these phones and it takes to get educated and even more to be properly educated haha...things i think i know, i don't as you can tell lolol but the kernel is the engine so to speak, it's what makes the ROM or OS run how it does...the kernel has a bigger affect on battery life than the rom itself, well in my opinion but it's really a combination of the two together.
The kernel is what controls the CPU and GPU frequencies and whatnot
Ultra/Maxx/Mini
You guys say they're basically the same phone so everyone uses one forum, so can we install ROMs made for the other Droid devices?
My guess is probably not, so WHY are they not separated- silliest thing they could have done- I had to track this forum down over a week after I thought XDA just didn't support the Droid Maxx, and still don't understand what's going on.
I also have the same question as the OP: How can there not be a full root process/massive ROM list already for the Maxx with such a big community and such a popular phone line?
We're still waiting on a proper root
That said, anyone have any fun alternatives until then? Favorite/not well-known launchers or other themes?
PS Anyone have an Aviate Launcher invite left?
Thanks!
Vonsk said:
You guys say they're basically the same phone so everyone uses one forum, so can we install ROMs made for the other Droid devices?
My guess is probably not, so WHY are they not separated- silliest thing they could have done- I had to track this forum down over a week after I thought XDA just didn't support the Droid Maxx, and still don't understand what's going on.
I also have the same question as the OP: How can there not be a full root process/massive ROM list already for the Maxx with such a big community and such a popular phone line?
We're still waiting on a proper root
That said, anyone have any fun alternatives until then? Favorite/not well-known launchers or other themes?
PS Anyone have an Aviate Launcher invite left?
Thanks!
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Off the top of my head, the kernel is still signed by moto and cannot be modified.
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I've always asked to me this thing, because I don't want to install a AOSP ROM, I prefer to stay stock and flash some mods and kernels. It is not possible?
In the case of AOSP roms, the camera has the same quality as the Google's stock roms?
Maybe you can try PureNexus, it's so stable and even faster than stock. Same camera quality as stock, even whole UI is same as stock, just some additional features.
BTW you can also flash kernel on stock rom.
水攸月羽 said:
Maybe you can try PureNexus, it's so stable and even faster than stock. Same camera quality as stock, even whole UI is same as stock, just some additional features.
BTW you can also flash kernel on stock rom.
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Yep, I know I can flash kernels on stock
I ask if is possible made custom roms based on stock, like Samsung...
Pure Nexus is awesome but not based on stock
stefyno said:
Yep, I know I can flash kernels on stock
I ask if is possible made custom roms based on stock, like Samsung...
Pure Nexus is awesome but not based on stock
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The camera quality is the same as stock. It looks the same as stock, performs better, and you lose zero features. Why are you looking for a stock-based ROM then, is the question?
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Yep, I know I can flash kernels on stock
I ask if is possible made custom roms based on stock, like Samsung...
Pure Nexus is awesome but not based on stock
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I don't really get what you mean. With Samsung you lose a lot of features going from TouchWiz to AOSP. You don't lose any features going from the stock Pixel OS to say PureNexus. It looks the same, has the same features and more, better performance, etc.
PsiPhiDan said:
The camera quality is the same as stock. It looks the same as stock, performs better, and you lose zero features. Why are you looking for a stock-based ROM then, is the question?
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geoff5093 said:
I don't really get what you mean. With Samsung you lose a lot of features going from TouchWiz to AOSP. You don't lose any features going from the stock Pixel OS to say PureNexus. It looks the same, has the same features and more, better performance, etc.
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Great, this is what I mean. Super Nexus = Pixel + mod + better performance. I just wanna the confirm of that! Thanks guys!
stefyno said:
Great, this is what I mean. Super Nexus = Pixel + mod + better performance. I just wanna the confirm of that! Thanks guys!
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Dude, just root it, enjoy stock if you want and flash a custom kernel. If you decide to venture out, give PN a try.. It is exactly what you're looking for, just an AOSP rom. There is barely any difference between a stock google rom and AOSP.. no one is going to build a stock google rom, it's a waste of time
If you have an unlocked bootloader, but completely stock ROM does Android Pay work along with OTA updates, or just OTA updates ?
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If you have an unlocked bootloader, but completely stock ROM does Android Pay work along with OTA updates, or just OTA updates ?
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If you install one of the custom kernels and don't root the phone it will work. It won't work without the custom kernel though.
robocuff said:
If you install one of the custom kernels and don't root the phone it will work. It won't work without the custom kernel though.
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ah darn ok. Right now I'm just running stock, custom kernel, and SuperSU. I'm not sure if it is just getting older or what, but I haven't felt the need to beyond this with the phone I just got. My Nexuses all are customized, but this is just pretty basic.
The benefit I suppose is even with root and a custom kernel the ROM is still pretty reliable. Other custom ROMs in the past usually would have things come up from time to time. Nonetheless, I'm always thankful for the work the devs do:good:
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ah darn ok. Right now I'm just running stock, custom kernel, and SuperSU. I'm not sure if it is just getting older or what, but I haven't felt the need to beyond this with the phone I just got. My Nexuses all are customized, but this is just pretty basic.
The benefit I suppose is even with root and a custom kernel the ROM is still pretty reliable. Other custom ROMs in the past usually would have things come up from time to time. Nonetheless, I'm always thankful for the work the devs do:good:
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Pure Nexus is as reliable as stock in my opinion. Never had one hiccup.
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Pure Nexus is as reliable as stock in my opinion. Never had one hiccup.
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I have to agree. Never had a single issue, great battery and smooth as butter.
Yeah I've had stock lock up for me once. Been running PN since January and it's more stable then stock.
Why no one is building of stock ROM no idea. WETA was based on stock, but he stopped development when all the AOSP ROMs came out.
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