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HSUPA help from our fellow AT&T customers.

Hi Fellow Captivate Users,
As you are probably aware, there has really been a war going on with AT&T from the Atrix and Inspire owners over the HSUPA not being enabled on those devices. Coming from the Captivate where we have been able to enable HSUPA despite AT&T not allowing us android filth to utilize that feature, I have come to realize how fortunate we are. Recently, I have also purchased an Atrix, and with the bootloader being locked, installing a modem that allows HSUPA is really not an option. We have grabbed AT&T's attention by filing BBB complaints and by filing a petition where we have over 800 signatures right now. They have come out to confirm that they have it disabled and that down the road, they will enable it for us. Being that the Atrix was advertised as a 4G phone, and the initial specs sheet shown that HSUPA was enabled, the vast majority have really taken this as a slap in the face now that the Ipad 2 just came out and is utilizing HSUPA on their network.
So, if you have an interest in this, as customers of AT&T with a device that is HSUPA capable, it may not be a bad idea to help us out and sign the petition and if you can, file with the BBB about the unfairness of how they are treating us android users. There have been numerous filing and AT&T will be getting a huge amount of complaints very soon to answer to.
If you are interested and able to help out, here is a link to the facebook page that one of us has started with all the facts, articles, and petition info.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ATT-FAIL/192913167407257
Here is more info from engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/atandt-says-its-testing-hsupa-on-atrix-4g-will-turn-it-on-eventu/
Thanks in advance.

Gr8Danes said:
Hi Fellow Captivate Users,
As you are probably aware, there has really been a war going on with AT&T from the Atrix and Inspire owners over the HSUPA not being enabled on those devices. Coming from the Captivate where we have been able to enable HSUPA despite AT&T not allowing us android filth to utilize that feature, I have come to realize how fortunate we are. Recently, I have also purchased an Atrix, and with the bootloader being locked, installing a modem that allows HSUPA is really not an option. We have grabbed AT&T's attention by filing BBB complaints and by filing a petition where we have over 800 signatures right now. They have come out to confirm that they have it disabled and that down the road, they will enable it for us. Being that the Atrix was advertised as a 4G phone, and the initial specs sheet shown that HSUPA was enabled, the vast majority have really taken this as a slap in the face now that the Ipad 2 just came out and is utilizing HSUPA on their network.
So, my plea to you, as customers of AT&T with a device that is HSUPA capable, please help us out if you can and sign the petition and if you can, file with the BBB about the unfairness of how they are treating us android users. There have been numerous filing and AT&T will be getting a huge amount of complaints very soon to answer to.
If you are willing and able to help out, here is a link to the facebook page that one of us has started with all the facts, articles, and petition info.
Thanks in advance.
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We went through this with the Samsung ordeal. XDA doesnt condone spamming sites or emails due to issues.
As far as I am concerned Why are you blaming ATT? It was motorola that shipped it with a locked bootloader (we All knew that was gonna happen) and the modem that it came with. I personally dont have anything in this as I knew that 4G was not ready and would not be ready for months after the phone came out.

zelendel said:
We went through this with the Samsung ordeal. XDA doesnt condone spamming sites or emails due to issues.
As far as I am concerned Why are you blaming ATT? It was motorola that shipped it with a locked bootloader (we All knew that was gonna happen) and the modem that it came with. I personally dont have anything in this as I knew that 4G was not ready and would not be ready for months after the phone came out.
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I agree about the 4G understandably not being ready yet. However, we are talking about 3G that is readily available to the Apple devices (Unfairly).
As for the bootloader, that is another topic all together. The Captivate users should be apart of this because those that wish not to root their devices, they should also be able to utilize the HSUPA feature on their devices as it is supported and fully functional on AT&T's network. This is nothing but biasness of AT&T for the Apple products. AT&T itself has confirmed that they disabled the HSUPA on these devices. Motorola is just doing what AT&T told them to do.
If you think this post is not of interest to the Captivate users, feel free to delete it. Though I (and many others here) have friends that would benefit from it as they choose not to root their devices and should be able to use it.

I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible

crystalhand said:
I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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Little off topic here, but i noticed your Lehigh icon, student or alum?
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crystalhand said:
I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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Yes. Vote with your wallet and your 30 day return policy. Petitions etc. are a waste of time. Hoping that they'll spontaneously open HSUPA and/or unlock the bootloader only encourages them to do neither of those things.

Okay, obviously you are missing the point as we have already got AT&T's attention, but hay, when the Atrix has HUSPA enabled because we took the initiative and the Captivate doesn't..............
I was just was hoping some of you would try to make a difference for those other Captivate owners.

Gr8Danes said:
Okay, obviously you are missing the point as we have already got AT&T's attention, but hay, when the Atrix has HUSPA enabled because we took the initiative and the Captivate doesn't..............
I was just was hoping some of you would try to make a difference for those other Captivate owners.
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When this is AT&T's answer you think filing BBB complaints will make a difference?
Post from FB page:
Gabe Ravizza
Called the presidents 1800 number today, and was given the same bs runaround about different phones get different services that i got from the regular att reps. The man told me that i should 'utilize' my 30 day return policy on my Atrix if i was unhappy with the speeds. I could not believe what was said to me, let alone calling the presidents hotline. #@$! this [email protected]%!, Verizon is looking better and better every day.

cappysw10 said:
When this is AT&T's answer you think filing BBB complaints will make a difference?
Post from FB page:
Gabe Ravizza
Called the presidents 1800 number today, and was given the same bs runaround about different phones get different services that i got from the regular att reps. The man told me that i should 'utilize' my 30 day return policy on my Atrix if i was unhappy with the speeds. I could not believe what was said to me, let alone calling the presidents hotline. #@$! this [email protected]%!, Verizon is looking better and better every day.
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Well, if you don't want to be apart of it and you don't think it will do any good, then don't participate in it. Plain and simple.
I just wanted to let people know about what was going on, and if they felt that it would be a benefit to them or others they knew, then they could help us out. Personally, I never expected that we would have even received a response from AT&T about it, but with what we have done so far, we have.
Also, AT&T was never intending on giving us HSUPA on the Atrix. Now that we have brought so much attention to it, they have stated that they will be enabling it (eventually), so we are making steps to attain what we want. Now if we can just get them to commit to a date, many of us would be happy. I would like to see AT&T also commit to enabling it for the Captivate and Inspire owners.

We've been through the same thing with the GPS issue on our phone. It advertises GPS while many are or were broken. AT&T did nothing besides exchange for another Captivate.
The amount of Refurb Captivates out there...

qwertyaas said:
We've been through the same thing with the GPS issue on our phone. It advertises GPS while many are or were broken. AT&T did nothing besides exchange for another Captivate.
The amount of Refurb Captivates out there...
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But the GPS issue is from Samsung's end and not AT&T's. I can't blame AT&T for faulty hardware or software that Samsung made. (Unless AT&T knowingly told them to make crappy GSP hardware/software for it so that we couldn't use it)

Wouldn't it be Motorola's fault if they used a modem that can't utilize HSUPA?
Regardless, I do agree with you.

qwertyaas said:
Wouldn't it be Motorola's fault if they used a modem that can't utilize HSUPA?
Regardless, I do agree with you.
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No, they are only doing what at&t instructed them to do since it is their network. Just as Samsung did with the Captivate and disabled HSUPA on that.

Well one of the reasons I would think they disabled the HSUPA for now is that they aren't confident in their network completely yet. Better to keep everyone on the more established 3g so they get less complaints about supposed 'battery issues' from it switching so much and 'inconsistent download speeds' from a network that isn't fully put together. It would have been nice if they gave a toggle for it, but what's done is done. Petitions like these don't have much of an effect sadly so though it's a good effort, your time would be better used on other things for now.

AriCaptivate said:
Well one of the reasons I would think they disabled the HSUPA for now is that they aren't confident in their network completely yet. Better to keep everyone on the more established 3g so they get less complaints about supposed 'battery issues' from it switching so much and 'inconsistent download speeds' from a network that isn't fully put together. It would have been nice if they gave a toggle for it, but what's done is done. Petitions like these don't have much of an effect sadly so though it's a good effort, your time would be better used on other things for now.
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Ya know, I thought that at first, until I learned that all those shiny new IPad 2's that just launched are running HSUPA. Hmmmmm..............I think the network can handle it fine.

Gr8Danes said:
Ya know, I thought that at first, until I learned that all those shiny new IPad 2's that just launched are running HSUPA. Hmmmmm..............I think the network can handle it fine.
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The iphone has been on it and running it for some time now....

shoman94 said:
The iphone has been on it and running it for some time now....
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Yea, I realize that, and that was my point. If they were worried about their network not being able to handle us Captivate, Atrix, and Inspire owners, then why would they add all those IPad 2's to that same network? This is a case of pure bias towards a manufacturer of a device.
The Captivate came out after the Iphone 4, and yet was disabled (By choice of AT&T) even though it it was completely capable. AT&T is the only carrier doing this.

Gr8Danes said:
The Captivate came out after the Iphone 4, and yet was disabled (By choice of AT&T) even though it it was completely capable. AT&T is the only carrier doing this.
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Its possibly due to some deal apple/att has to have hsupa enabled on apples phones and disabled on other phones, who knows, its all business bs you know.

This is what I am talking about. We need people to get the press involved like this with petitions, and filings with the BBB. This only got to be such a big story after enough people saw a problem with it and stood up for what they want. Yes, they do make a difference. AT&T has committed to updating the modem in the Atrix now.......but waiting on the hard set date still bugs me.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381915,00.asp
The Captivate will be left in the dust now that only the Atrix and Inspire owners have complained. I was just hoping that the Captivate community would be apart of it too (for those that don't root).

Why is it that people feel they are OWED something by a company every time they get overly emotional due to their purchase not doing what THEY think it should?
Atrix users purchased a phone that only advertised HSDPA up to 14.4. It's what's been on the advertisement since the first day it went up on AT&T's site. It's not AT&T's fault that you purchased a phone that isn't sold with that support functional.
Yes, it sucks that they don't have it enabled from the get-go. But there's always a reason, be it a business decision or the technology's maturity. Are you forgetting that the Xoom shipped without 4G, Flash OR a working MicroSDHC slot??? How do you know, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that it isn't merely a matter of Motorola working out all of the kinks in their HSUPA-capable firmware? Heck, it could be like the BB Bold 9000, where it was highly rumored that due to the stability/spread of 3G in 2008 they held off its release to ensure that the phone couldn't be held to blame. And to be honest, I don't blame them... I had my 3G aircard and life was miserable until that fall!
By spamming the BBB, FB, etc, you're clouding the issue... The fact of the matter is that you bought the phone as-is -- so unless it was advertised as supporting HSUPA OUT OF THE BOX, you have no legal ground to stand on.
If it were a simple, "Hey, we want HSUPA installed by default!" it might be a bandwagon worth hopping on... But between the immaturity and lack of correct understanding and focus on the issue, it's not worth wasting your time.

Glad I canceled T-Mobile - Too ignorant for my business

Although I enjoyed the data speed of T-Mobile, I am glad I am no longer paying a charge to them. This business with their future phones is a sign of how un-serious they take their consumer business. And because of that, they do deserve the lack of business their decisions will cause.
Not producing phones that will fully function of AT&T's 3G/4G service is just pure willy-nilly ignorant and T-Mobile needs to feel the heat of their ignorance. The so-called "super phone" coming to T-Mobile, the HTC Sensation, will be a no-seller because of how T-Mobile chooses to conduct their business.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/t-mobile-g2x-lacks-quadband-hspa-shatters-dreams/

Interesting. i wonder what they do when and if the merger goes through, what then ? do they run to platforms and try to merge over 2 years ? That will totally toast them in business and will lower market share........... Yeah..... What is their plan ?

Yea, I'm thinking of switching back to AT&T as well. Will get a phone that works as long as I need it to, and much better network coverage. Data speeds aren't that big a deal to me, as long as it's around 2mbps download 1mbps up I'm more than content...
And I can still get a 4GB data plan with an iPhone if I go back...

Not too concerned here. 2 of my 3 t-mobile devices fully support at&t's 3g and 4g bands. Just my hd2 will need to be replaced, and that's years away. Not worried.
edit: And phones are planned many months if not a year (or more) in advance. The at&t - t-mobile merger most likely wasn't even in the outlook when they made that phone in the first place.

MartyLK said:
Not producing phones that will fully function of AT&T's 3G/4G service is just pure willy-nilly ignorant...
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Well, that's assuming that the merger goes through.
And even if it does, it's not T-Mobile themselves who produce the phones, they can only buy what the manufacturers are selling.
Plus you seem to be confusing ignorance with short-sightedness.

MOD EDIT :Keep cool, no need to be rude.

TheMan42 said:
The only ignorance here is your post.
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+1
Why would you invest extra money into adding a whole new radio into a handset if there is no garuntee that the merger will go through? The next complaint/answer would be "tmo's handsets are sooo needlesly expensive". Probably because someone thought it was a good idea to put unecassary hardware in a phone you probably wont even remember when (if?) the merger goes through.
I get calls like this all the time, if the service doesnt work for you i completely understand- Please find another service because getting the same whiney call day in and day out costs t mobile that much more money keeping an unhappy customer.
Let me be clear id rather handle 10000 calls about our coverage and service then silly reasons like this, you dont need to justify your reason to leave a carrier.. just leave.

TheMan42 said:
MOD EDIT :Keep cool, no need to be rude.
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To be honest, that came off a little strong, but I still feel it was justified. The Original post should be re-read, then see what was more flame-bait. My statement was the truth, it was "ignorant". Ignorance isn't an insult, its simply stating the the post has no merit into what T-Mobile is doing with their products.
T-Mobile still remains a competitor to AT&T, why would they start to have manufacturers incorporate further frequencies in their devices that support the competitors products? I don't see AT&T doing that with their products, nor Verizon or Sprint.

Interesting. And maybe of interest to me. Someone from t mobile has been hard on my heels to switch from sprint to t mobile. She countered every advantage i thought sprint had: pricewise, 4g coverage etc. If I did not switch yet, cause I am a creature of habits and stick to sprint cause: it is what I started with.
mikzfan

TheMan42 said:
To be honest, that came off a little strong, but I still feel it was justified. The Original post should be re-read, then see what was more flame-bait. My statement was the truth, it was "ignorant". Ignorance isn't an insult, its simply stating the the post has no merit into what T-Mobile is doing with their products.
T-Mobile still remains a competitor to AT&T, why would they start to have manufacturers incorporate further frequencies in their devices that support the competitors products? I don't see AT&T doing that with their products, nor Verizon or Sprint.
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Actually Sprint and Verizon both work on the same 2 frequencies. We're allowed to roam on Verizon as much as we want, included in the plan (there's no hard limit, but don't overuse it), and Verizon customers get to roam on Sprint.

AT&T will become the only GSM phone provider in california when this takes place.

Not surprise one bit. T-MobileUS is notorious for false advertising or even intended false advertising on a bunch of their handsets. How can you trust a company who intentionally commercialized the whole "4G" craze by simply stating that actual 4G infrastructure wasn't worth it and HSPA+ was more than just enough? Good thing they got bought out.

KevGer said:
Hey there everyone if you would like to save money off a new contract with T-Mobile, Att, Sprint, or Verizon email me at [email protected]
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Please stop spamming
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att is gay

they got bought out by another whack provider though

T-Mobile is just as crap here in The Netherlands aswell, I'm glad I have Vodafone!

been loving verizon since i switched from t mobile

Will Google buy T-Mobile?

Article seems to make a good case:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Google-Could-Get-a-Chance-to-Buy-TMobile-After-It-Closes-Motorola-Deal-220504/

Umm...yeah...too late on that one, AT&T is in the process right now of buying tmobile. They made an offer and tmobile accepted it. It's going through federal review now and the deal WILL be approved by the feds.

That would be awesome ! I hope it works out !

I already seen a att/t-mobile commercial the other night on the tv. I just wonder if their gonna jack up our bills I switched from the big V for a cheaper bill

Dano79 said:
I already seen a att/t-mobile commercial the other night on the tv. I just wonder if their gonna jack up our bills I switched from the big V for a cheaper bill
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Same here I don't like at&t and it looks like tmobile is converting to at&t in a sneaky way like there gona start charging if you go over your "unlimited" throttled 2gs of data just like at&t is doing. (dont worry we will be in the grandfather plans but watch out wen you do uprgrades & so on..

My advice is get on a 2 year with t-mobile now so they cant jack the price up on you when they merge. We have a long while before this fully happens tho.
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I wish it was Google, but unfortunately it's big wig at&t!

Look at Google to purchase sprint as the attmob merger will devalue sprint. Which Google will scoop up for a value. The sprint google intergration is not without any coincidence just wait till next year you will see. Sprint sits on a lot of spectrum and with LTE and Wimax their footprint will be one of a kind in the US. Yes Google is a global company but sprint would be a stepping stone to bigger things. Sprint cannot survive on its own.
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It's too late I think. It sucks cause it would have been awesome.

I wish this was true, Google, Google Voice, T-Mobile sounds great... too bad its not going to happen. AT&T is already too far through with buying T-Mobile
Unless Google manages to buy AT&T ... which would be even better but never going to happen

i would hope google says they would pay more $! and att backs off.
i hate att

I'm not from the US, so apologies if I get some of this post confused
Am I right in saying that Google Voice (that we don't have in Britain, sadly) and Sprint are in a partnership? Would this mean that Google are *more* likely to team up or buy Sprint fully, than to buy T-Mobile US?
Fan speculation and fan hope here
The way I see it, Google could become what I call a 'digital carrier', making their own devices and carrying them on their own carrier. I see Google Voice as the first step of this. They'd be the first 'carrier' to go the world over and if they get it right, could completely dominate the information, mobile, and computing (with ChromeOS) space.
Think about it: how a carrier works hasn't changed since mobiles were introduced, really. They've always been the same. With Google Voice, Google have the possibility to change that and make themselves a carrier (possibly with Sprint's help) and carry their own devices, made by Motorola. This would enable them to update the devices (all running stock Android, or maybe different interfaces depending on high up the device is) all at the same time, wirelessly, and get fragmentation (which exists, however many times we say it doesn't) down to an absolute minimum. They could also manage the device's hardware easier, using one chip/SoC for one generation of phone, optimizing the OS for that chip. i.e. NVidia Tegra, a TI chip, or a Qualcomm chip.
Thoughts on this...?

According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.

colorcopies said:
According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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This is correct.

colorcopies said:
According to FCC regulations. If you provide a service (att, tmo, sprint, etc.) you can NOT make devices (tablets, phones, etc.). Thats why the carriers have other larger companies make there devices. So is the Google and Motorola deals goes down and ATT and TMo doesnt, Google can not buy them.
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You have a link to that regulation? I presume that came into effect some time after Ma Bell used to make and sell telephones.
I trust you, I just like to verify.

samnada said:
I trust you, I just like to verify.
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Reaganesque

Behold_this said:
Umm...yeah...too late on that one, AT&T is in the process right now of buying tmobile. They made an offer and tmobile accepted it. It's going through federal review now and the deal WILL be approved by the feds.
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You can't say for sure. AT&T has been on the hot seat with the FCC before. Look at when they made them split. They are slowly trying to build up the monopoly again. I honestly don't think the deal would go through. There is too much opposition, including state governments. Plus their legal team made a big no no and accidentally submitted some paperwork to the FCC that hurt their argument.

the merge with AT&T is under review by the FCC. we all know this. It must pass the FCC's examination to ensure things like antitrust, monopoly etc don't occur as a result of the merge... basically to say that all things merger specific are legal.
It's looking like it will be and the merge will go through, but there's always a chance that something (i'm still praying for it) will stop the merge. in that case, then google can offer to buy and in that case an FCC approval doesn't seem to be required since google is not a communications company like AT&T. I just got laid off in a merger just like that between two smaller Cell phone companies... I've renewed a 2 year contract to avoid AT&T screwing me if/when they merge...
I've purposely avoided AT&T for all these years only to find myself faced with being their customer after all. it blows. I prefer google.

A&TT is bad imo. They already capping the 150GB on DSL. Who knows what they will do next.

G-Mobile? LOL
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Locked Bootloader

As I'm a new member I can't post this in the developer forum.
This may be old news or no news but I thought it was interesting since the source is somewhat unusual.
I had contact with Verizon support three days ago. They followed up with an email request for a satisfaction survey.
I completed the survey and for the question "would you recommend Verizon to a friend" on a 1 to 10 scale I responded "3".
It then asked me to explain why. Too much effort so I left the text box empty.
Next day I get a phone call. "You scored us a three and didn't say why. Can I ask why?"
She sounded young and I wasn't expecting a phone/telemarketer/survey to be all that technical but when I said that my first reason was that the recent FCC settlement to allow free hotspots on capable phones for new plans only and those of us that upgraded to the SIII during the Unlimited Data grace period are SOL. She knew what I was talking about and said the reason is that in exchange for being grandfathered I was still bound by the terms of my original agreement i.e. the $30/mo tethering fee.
A second issue was the lack of switches in the setup to disable the 4G radios for battery management. She said that was done because they want to migrate their base to LTE as soon as possible and too many users opting for 3G would slow their plans. She even volunteered that in the settings under Access Point Names switching between EHRPD and LTE did not turn off the 4G radios.
Sorry to take a long time to get to the point but her responses included technical elements that changed my mind about her level of knowledge.
She then asked if there where other concerns and I said that T-mobile, Sprint, AT&T all sold the SIII with the Boot loader unlocked. She immediately responded "So you can experiment with other kernels and modify the OS and such", I said "exactly".
Then she said "Unfortunately I can't change the terms on hotspotting but I have good news about the Boot Loader. An update will be released shortly that will unlock your phone."
I probed her a bit and she convinced me she knew what she was talking about although she did not know if the update would come stand alone or be bundled with jelly bean or the date. She hinted that it might not be a universal OTA update but one that interested owners could download if they desired.
That's all I got. Just hope she is correct.

She was probably referring to it being unlocked to use on international networks. This is basically the same story many other users have gotten, and sadly it probably will not be happening. Even the unlocked bootloader version that samsung is going to sell has yet to be obtainable and that was announced weeks ago.

Well considering she mentioned about kernels an what not, I'd say there is a good possibility she knew what he meant by bootloader. We can only hope!
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Neverendingxsin said:
She was probably referring to it being unlocked to use on international networks. This is basically the same story many other users have gotten, and sadly it probably will not be happening. Even the unlocked bootloader version that samsung is going to sell has yet to be obtainable and that was announced weeks ago.
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If she knew about different kernels and modifiying the OS I'm pretty sure she knows the difference between unlocked for international networks and bootloader unlock.

personally I would not believe a rep. People have been told this before, and verzion came out to say there are no plans to do such things. Hope is good, but until I hear a press release from VZW directly about it, dont get to excited. Im used to letdowns like this from the Bionic, Razr, and before with the GS3. (also, wheres that dev razr that was promised 1 year ago? we will probably never see the dev GS3, or it will be a year out)

ddggttff3 said:
personally I would not believe a rep. People have been told this before, and verzion came out to say there are no plans to do such things. Hope is good, but until I hear a press release from VZW directly about it, dont get to excited. Im used to letdowns like this from the Bionic, Razr, and before with the GS3. (also, wheres that dev razr that was promised 1 year ago? we will probably never see the dev GS3, or it will be a year out)
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I agree, I only posted this because it was a different kind of source. At first I assumed she was just some person in a call center asking stock questions but after the call I'm leaning toward someone in middle management was making the call. In a past career I worked for a company called Forum Corporation that conducted management training courses including one on Customer Focus that taught managers to do personal outreach to customers. This call had all the earmarks of that type of program. The conversation was not following a script, it was wide ranging with a back and forth give and take. This wasn't someone checking boxes on a survey form. She wanted to personally understand what the issues where.
But bottom line you are right that this is just one more rumor until something concrete happens. I hope I wasn't trying to sound like I know the definitive answer.

Ill believe it when I see it. These companies lie or sometimes people dont know what they are taking about. Even if she knows about kernels and such, she still could be lying. Remember when verizon said samsung made the bootloader locked, and samsung said verizon had it locked? One is obviously flat out lying and its obviously verizon since other carriers are unlocked. Big companies lie to their customers all the time to save face or protect the knowledge of their pure desire for profit. So I'll believe verizon will unlock the bootloader only a short time after releasing the phone locked when I see it. The only thing I can legitimately see is verizon offering it with a way that directly lets verizon know so your warrenty is voided in their system and no return to stock methods changing that.
I think thats what they should do if they are worried about people borking their phones from modding and cashing in their warrenty because of it. You contact verizon and say I want bootloader, unlocked. They make you agree to void your warranty in order to provide this, and now they have it on file you requested this. Then they provide you with unlock with your warrenty removed from account.

sfetaz said:
Ill believe it when I see it. These companies lie or sometimes people dont know what they are taking about. Even if she knows about kernels and such, she still could be lying. Remember when verizon said samsung made the bootloader locked, and samsung said verizon had it locked? One is obviously flat out lying and its obviously verizon since other carriers are unlocked. Big companies lie to their customers all the time to save face or protect the knowledge of their pure desire for profit. So I'll believe verizon will unlock the bootloader only a short time after releasing the phone locked when I see it. The only thing I can legitimately see is verizon offering it with a way that directly lets verizon know so your warrenty is voided in their system and no return to stock methods changing that.
I think thats what they should do if they are worried about people borking their phones from modding and cashing in their warrenty because of it. You contact verizon and say I want bootloader, unlocked. They make you agree to void your warranty in order to provide this, and now they have it on file you requested this. Then they provide you with unlock with your warrenty removed from account.
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Why should removing the encryption on the bootloader void the warranty? For some, removing the encryption will mean they can take their device to a different network (uscc) and have the new provider flash their software on the device. Should that void it's warranty? **** no!
Removing the encrytion and unlocking the bootloader should only alleviate VZW from offering you tech support. One doesn't void the warranty of your laptop when you swap from Windows 7 to Linux, does it? Offering you warranty in exchange for an unlocked bootloader is a terrible deal to the end user. I've never understood it.

Future At&t devices locked up

http://androidandme.com/2013/08/car...upport-unlocked-bootloaders-once-and-for-all/
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SUCH BS!!! They should at least give you the option if you buy your device outright. This makes me never want to purchase a device from AT&T ever again. Will definitely be buying the unlocked international Samsung devices from now on. HSPA+ is fast enough.
SCREW YOU AT&T!!!
OP: Maybe edit your title to read: Future AT&T devices will have locked boot loaders

MattMJB0188 said:
SUCH BS!!! They should at least give you the option if you buy your device outright. This makes me never want to purchase a device from AT&T ever again. Will definitely be buying the unlocked international Samsung devices from now on. HSPA+ is fast enough.
SCREW YOU AT&T!!!
OP: Maybe edit your title to read: Future AT&T devices will have locked boot loaders
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They are just following along with verizon and pretty soon all the carriers will do it.

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They are just following along with verizon and pretty soon all the carriers will do it.
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Hopefully not T-Mobile. Their the only carrier that matters now.

The only way this madness will stop is if the companies like samsung, htc, moto put their foot down and say we are not locking down our bootloaders take the phones as is especially samsung imagine if at&t and verizon couldnt carry the S4 or the S5 all the money they would lose think they would be singing a different tune with locking down everything.

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The only way this madness will stop is if the companies like samsung, htc, moto put their foot down and say we are not locking down our bootloaders take the phones as is especially samsung imagine if at&t and verizon couldnt carry the S4 or the S5 all the money they would lose think they would be singing a different tune with locking down everything.
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I agree. If Samsung would adopt more of Apple's strict procedures, they'd make a lot more.
I'd love to get off AT&T and go to T-Mobile, but I just can't live with the spotty H+/EDGE coverage. Hopefully they'll get some lower spectrum soon, because their 1700AWS frequencies can't penetrate a paper bag.

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I agree. If Samsung would adopt more of Apple's strict procedures, they'd make a lot more.
I'd love to get off AT&T and go to T-Mobile, but I just can't live with the spotty H+/EDGE coverage. Hopefully they'll get some lower spectrum soon, because their 1700AWS frequencies can't penetrate a paper bag.
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and this is why att and verizon can pull this sort of crap cause they know they have the best lte 4g coverage and don't even think about sprint with their coverage.

THis sucks.... with the new added feature with paying every month for your device.... and having manufacturers making LTE unlocked devices... looks like I will be paying full price to avoid this crap.

A couple of days ago...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=44233748&postcount=142

Well...time to use your upgrades, and sell them to people who dont root, use gained momey to buy international phones...
Orrrr if your one of those lucky people that actually get good service with sprint or tmobile on your area (surprisingly they are good in some areas...Unfortunately not mine) than drop att and switch
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Ouch I wont be in line on GN3 release day.
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Ha got it figured out
I will buy it unlocked at Google store when available - https://play.google.com/store/devices?hl=en
From there I will sell my GN2 , Take that $ pay ETF and go ATT prepay and save 30.00 a month so it all works out