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Hi Fellow Captivate Users,
As you are probably aware, there has really been a war going on with AT&T from the Atrix and Inspire owners over the HSUPA not being enabled on those devices. Coming from the Captivate where we have been able to enable HSUPA despite AT&T not allowing us android filth to utilize that feature, I have come to realize how fortunate we are. Recently, I have also purchased an Atrix, and with the bootloader being locked, installing a modem that allows HSUPA is really not an option. We have grabbed AT&T's attention by filing BBB complaints and by filing a petition where we have over 800 signatures right now. They have come out to confirm that they have it disabled and that down the road, they will enable it for us. Being that the Atrix was advertised as a 4G phone, and the initial specs sheet shown that HSUPA was enabled, the vast majority have really taken this as a slap in the face now that the Ipad 2 just came out and is utilizing HSUPA on their network.
So, if you have an interest in this, as customers of AT&T with a device that is HSUPA capable, it may not be a bad idea to help us out and sign the petition and if you can, file with the BBB about the unfairness of how they are treating us android users. There have been numerous filing and AT&T will be getting a huge amount of complaints very soon to answer to.
If you are interested and able to help out, here is a link to the facebook page that one of us has started with all the facts, articles, and petition info.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/ATT-FAIL/192913167407257
Here is more info from engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/atandt-says-its-testing-hsupa-on-atrix-4g-will-turn-it-on-eventu/
Thanks in advance.
Gr8Danes said:
Hi Fellow Captivate Users,
As you are probably aware, there has really been a war going on with AT&T from the Atrix and Inspire owners over the HSUPA not being enabled on those devices. Coming from the Captivate where we have been able to enable HSUPA despite AT&T not allowing us android filth to utilize that feature, I have come to realize how fortunate we are. Recently, I have also purchased an Atrix, and with the bootloader being locked, installing a modem that allows HSUPA is really not an option. We have grabbed AT&T's attention by filing BBB complaints and by filing a petition where we have over 800 signatures right now. They have come out to confirm that they have it disabled and that down the road, they will enable it for us. Being that the Atrix was advertised as a 4G phone, and the initial specs sheet shown that HSUPA was enabled, the vast majority have really taken this as a slap in the face now that the Ipad 2 just came out and is utilizing HSUPA on their network.
So, my plea to you, as customers of AT&T with a device that is HSUPA capable, please help us out if you can and sign the petition and if you can, file with the BBB about the unfairness of how they are treating us android users. There have been numerous filing and AT&T will be getting a huge amount of complaints very soon to answer to.
If you are willing and able to help out, here is a link to the facebook page that one of us has started with all the facts, articles, and petition info.
Thanks in advance.
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We went through this with the Samsung ordeal. XDA doesnt condone spamming sites or emails due to issues.
As far as I am concerned Why are you blaming ATT? It was motorola that shipped it with a locked bootloader (we All knew that was gonna happen) and the modem that it came with. I personally dont have anything in this as I knew that 4G was not ready and would not be ready for months after the phone came out.
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We went through this with the Samsung ordeal. XDA doesnt condone spamming sites or emails due to issues.
As far as I am concerned Why are you blaming ATT? It was motorola that shipped it with a locked bootloader (we All knew that was gonna happen) and the modem that it came with. I personally dont have anything in this as I knew that 4G was not ready and would not be ready for months after the phone came out.
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I agree about the 4G understandably not being ready yet. However, we are talking about 3G that is readily available to the Apple devices (Unfairly).
As for the bootloader, that is another topic all together. The Captivate users should be apart of this because those that wish not to root their devices, they should also be able to utilize the HSUPA feature on their devices as it is supported and fully functional on AT&T's network. This is nothing but biasness of AT&T for the Apple products. AT&T itself has confirmed that they disabled the HSUPA on these devices. Motorola is just doing what AT&T told them to do.
If you think this post is not of interest to the Captivate users, feel free to delete it. Though I (and many others here) have friends that would benefit from it as they choose not to root their devices and should be able to use it.
I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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Little off topic here, but i noticed your Lehigh icon, student or alum?
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crystalhand said:
I personally dont understand why so many people here at xda jumped on the atrix bandwagon. For a phone that is designed to purposely lock the user from being able to modify the phone people sure seem upset that the carrier/phone manufacturer is restricting what features you are allowed to use. People always seem to think that spamming the manufacturer or collecting signatures or members on facebook will make large companies change their mind. The main number they care about is the fact that you bought their device and through that you guys have voted to keep phones as anti mod as possible
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Yes. Vote with your wallet and your 30 day return policy. Petitions etc. are a waste of time. Hoping that they'll spontaneously open HSUPA and/or unlock the bootloader only encourages them to do neither of those things.
Okay, obviously you are missing the point as we have already got AT&T's attention, but hay, when the Atrix has HUSPA enabled because we took the initiative and the Captivate doesn't..............
I was just was hoping some of you would try to make a difference for those other Captivate owners.
Gr8Danes said:
Okay, obviously you are missing the point as we have already got AT&T's attention, but hay, when the Atrix has HUSPA enabled because we took the initiative and the Captivate doesn't..............
I was just was hoping some of you would try to make a difference for those other Captivate owners.
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When this is AT&T's answer you think filing BBB complaints will make a difference?
Post from FB page:
Gabe Ravizza
Called the presidents 1800 number today, and was given the same bs runaround about different phones get different services that i got from the regular att reps. The man told me that i should 'utilize' my 30 day return policy on my Atrix if i was unhappy with the speeds. I could not believe what was said to me, let alone calling the presidents hotline. #@$! this [email protected]%!, Verizon is looking better and better every day.
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When this is AT&T's answer you think filing BBB complaints will make a difference?
Post from FB page:
Gabe Ravizza
Called the presidents 1800 number today, and was given the same bs runaround about different phones get different services that i got from the regular att reps. The man told me that i should 'utilize' my 30 day return policy on my Atrix if i was unhappy with the speeds. I could not believe what was said to me, let alone calling the presidents hotline. #@$! this [email protected]%!, Verizon is looking better and better every day.
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Well, if you don't want to be apart of it and you don't think it will do any good, then don't participate in it. Plain and simple.
I just wanted to let people know about what was going on, and if they felt that it would be a benefit to them or others they knew, then they could help us out. Personally, I never expected that we would have even received a response from AT&T about it, but with what we have done so far, we have.
Also, AT&T was never intending on giving us HSUPA on the Atrix. Now that we have brought so much attention to it, they have stated that they will be enabling it (eventually), so we are making steps to attain what we want. Now if we can just get them to commit to a date, many of us would be happy. I would like to see AT&T also commit to enabling it for the Captivate and Inspire owners.
We've been through the same thing with the GPS issue on our phone. It advertises GPS while many are or were broken. AT&T did nothing besides exchange for another Captivate.
The amount of Refurb Captivates out there...
qwertyaas said:
We've been through the same thing with the GPS issue on our phone. It advertises GPS while many are or were broken. AT&T did nothing besides exchange for another Captivate.
The amount of Refurb Captivates out there...
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But the GPS issue is from Samsung's end and not AT&T's. I can't blame AT&T for faulty hardware or software that Samsung made. (Unless AT&T knowingly told them to make crappy GSP hardware/software for it so that we couldn't use it)
Wouldn't it be Motorola's fault if they used a modem that can't utilize HSUPA?
Regardless, I do agree with you.
qwertyaas said:
Wouldn't it be Motorola's fault if they used a modem that can't utilize HSUPA?
Regardless, I do agree with you.
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No, they are only doing what at&t instructed them to do since it is their network. Just as Samsung did with the Captivate and disabled HSUPA on that.
Well one of the reasons I would think they disabled the HSUPA for now is that they aren't confident in their network completely yet. Better to keep everyone on the more established 3g so they get less complaints about supposed 'battery issues' from it switching so much and 'inconsistent download speeds' from a network that isn't fully put together. It would have been nice if they gave a toggle for it, but what's done is done. Petitions like these don't have much of an effect sadly so though it's a good effort, your time would be better used on other things for now.
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Well one of the reasons I would think they disabled the HSUPA for now is that they aren't confident in their network completely yet. Better to keep everyone on the more established 3g so they get less complaints about supposed 'battery issues' from it switching so much and 'inconsistent download speeds' from a network that isn't fully put together. It would have been nice if they gave a toggle for it, but what's done is done. Petitions like these don't have much of an effect sadly so though it's a good effort, your time would be better used on other things for now.
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Ya know, I thought that at first, until I learned that all those shiny new IPad 2's that just launched are running HSUPA. Hmmmmm..............I think the network can handle it fine.
Gr8Danes said:
Ya know, I thought that at first, until I learned that all those shiny new IPad 2's that just launched are running HSUPA. Hmmmmm..............I think the network can handle it fine.
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The iphone has been on it and running it for some time now....
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The iphone has been on it and running it for some time now....
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Yea, I realize that, and that was my point. If they were worried about their network not being able to handle us Captivate, Atrix, and Inspire owners, then why would they add all those IPad 2's to that same network? This is a case of pure bias towards a manufacturer of a device.
The Captivate came out after the Iphone 4, and yet was disabled (By choice of AT&T) even though it it was completely capable. AT&T is the only carrier doing this.
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The Captivate came out after the Iphone 4, and yet was disabled (By choice of AT&T) even though it it was completely capable. AT&T is the only carrier doing this.
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Its possibly due to some deal apple/att has to have hsupa enabled on apples phones and disabled on other phones, who knows, its all business bs you know.
This is what I am talking about. We need people to get the press involved like this with petitions, and filings with the BBB. This only got to be such a big story after enough people saw a problem with it and stood up for what they want. Yes, they do make a difference. AT&T has committed to updating the modem in the Atrix now.......but waiting on the hard set date still bugs me.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381915,00.asp
The Captivate will be left in the dust now that only the Atrix and Inspire owners have complained. I was just hoping that the Captivate community would be apart of it too (for those that don't root).
Why is it that people feel they are OWED something by a company every time they get overly emotional due to their purchase not doing what THEY think it should?
Atrix users purchased a phone that only advertised HSDPA up to 14.4. It's what's been on the advertisement since the first day it went up on AT&T's site. It's not AT&T's fault that you purchased a phone that isn't sold with that support functional.
Yes, it sucks that they don't have it enabled from the get-go. But there's always a reason, be it a business decision or the technology's maturity. Are you forgetting that the Xoom shipped without 4G, Flash OR a working MicroSDHC slot??? How do you know, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that it isn't merely a matter of Motorola working out all of the kinks in their HSUPA-capable firmware? Heck, it could be like the BB Bold 9000, where it was highly rumored that due to the stability/spread of 3G in 2008 they held off its release to ensure that the phone couldn't be held to blame. And to be honest, I don't blame them... I had my 3G aircard and life was miserable until that fall!
By spamming the BBB, FB, etc, you're clouding the issue... The fact of the matter is that you bought the phone as-is -- so unless it was advertised as supporting HSUPA OUT OF THE BOX, you have no legal ground to stand on.
If it were a simple, "Hey, we want HSUPA installed by default!" it might be a bandwagon worth hopping on... But between the immaturity and lack of correct understanding and focus on the issue, it's not worth wasting your time.
Ok - I tried Sprint, and the coverage is just too bad for me to tolerate... But I really want the Arrive. I do not want a phone without a keyboard, so the Trophy won't do it for me.
I'm going to end up going back to Verizon, but I want to know if I buy an Arrive without a plan, can it be made to work with Verizon, and what consequences there would be? Someone suggested on another thread that if I wanted to get my hands dirty, I could change the ESN. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, but I need someone to show me what I need to do. Also, as far as consequences, would an Arrive on Verizon get updates? If no, would I be able to get updates from someone on here doing something similar?
Thanks for any suggestions.
hopmedic said:
Ok - I tried Sprint, and the coverage is just too bad for me to tolerate... But I really want the Arrive. I do not want a phone without a keyboard, so the Trophy won't do it for me.
I'm going to end up going back to Verizon, but I want to know if I buy an Arrive without a plan, can it be made to work with Verizon, and what consequences there would be? Someone suggested on another thread that if I wanted to get my hands dirty, I could change the ESN. I'm not afraid to get my hands dirty, but I need someone to show me what I need to do. Also, as far as consequences, would an Arrive on Verizon get updates? If no, would I be able to get updates from someone on here doing something similar?
Thanks for any suggestions.
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AFAIK, changing the ESN is the only problem. I think you gotta have someone at Sprint/Verizon do it for you though. So hopefully that person owes you a favor
I also need to know if this would prevent me from unlocking the phone using the official dev channels. Thanks.
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AFAIK, changing the ESN is the only problem. I think you gotta have someone at Sprint/Verizon do it for you though. So hopefully that person owes you a favor
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Grrr... I don't know anyone at either place. Any way around that? I was hoping it would be as simple as unlock it, find the ESN, and change the ESN to match that of my Verizon Touch Pro 2. Not so simple?
While I can't help with the Sprint/Verizon transfer stuff, I can tell you that, no matter who your provider is, you will always be able to officially dev-unlock your phone. Also, you will get WP7 updates, but they will likely appear only when Sprint authorizes them even if you're on Verizon.
Thanks... Since I don't have a lot of money rolling around, I really can't afford to have a phone sitting here that I can't talk on, so I'm really interested in whether I'll be able to get both talk and data working on Verizon with the phone. Someone from Microsoft on the Windows Phone team suggested buying a phone from Zones, the official site for planless WP7 phones, saying that the people at Zones are pretty good about getting the unlock codes for the phones. Would this make a difference in getting it onto Verizon, or am I likely to still have a problem getting my phone onto their network?
I've done this before and in 2008 it was much easier than it was now (posting how to get the tp from sprint on vzw at ppcgeeks)
that said, its not as easy for a variety of reasons. Personally I haven't tried to hit up pst to see if it even works
Verizon did block the hole that was previously used in 2009, so the only way to do it is through esn hacking. And on many places, that can't be discussed.
With windows phone 7 I am unsure if the process is still the same or if sprint still used msl to lock pst on their windows phone devices. Personally I would sell the arrive, wait a few weeks, and then go to the htc mozart on vzw's network. I know it's just me, but I haven't really begun to look at a cdma htc arrive to see if an esn change/hack is even possible on this platform.
I know vzw's stance on adding esn - they won't do it no matter who you are. You can try to send the device to them, but that has a very low rate of acceptance. The vzw handset alliance is a joke imho, which leaves users frustrated and with very little options.
Fooling around with the htc arrive I have to say its quite different but not a bad different. It's a shame you may have to sell it because of verizon being verizon
I know some of the regional carriers will flash/alter the ESN for you, but Verizon is pretty staunchly against it. Good luck getting it to work.
Sent from my Magnolia Incredible.
Flashing HTC Arrive
This is what i did to flash HTC Arrive using another CDMA operator (in this case, Smart Telecom Indonesia):
1. get the MSL/SPC of the phone. you can ask Sprint, or buy it from an unlock service provider (i bought it from nick flash cricket dot net)
2. put the phone in diag mode, using ##MFG#. i use winXP 32bit, and use this driver "HTC BMP USB Driver.zip"
3. connect to QPST. you can change the MSL, network code, IMSI, MDN, PRL, and auth HDR setting (evdo parameters)
4. connect to CDMA workshop to enter the AKEY
5. reboot.
now, my HTC arrive is with Smart Telecom. but alas, i can not unlock it to sideload apps
the 7 pro is rumored to be coming to verizon
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-7-pro-coming-to-verizon-as-htc-pro
deadwrong03 said:
the 7 pro is rumored to be coming to verizon
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-7-pro-coming-to-verizon-as-htc-pro
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You know how rumors, Windows Phone 7 and Verizon are..... a bunch of bull****... I'll believe it when I see an offical press statement. That phone is just another one of the "Arrive" phones that passed FCC, no other info, it could be going to all the small CDMA carriers for all we know.
To the OP, you said you can't afford to have a phone sitting around and not working. How do you feel about spending $500-600 on a phone off contract ? That would be about what they would want for one.
I'd be interested in getting this working and trash the ESN on my TP2 (with a cracked display) if this was possable (and getting everything working, internet, SMS, etc with no issues) but, I'm not willing to dump $500+ on a phone that I might have problems getting working...If I could get it for $150-200, I'd be all over it though..
Edit: Checked on ebay...brand new, no contract, there is a buyit now for $360, so cheaper than I thought
Latest word on VZW is May 5th...(Next Thursday), I'd wait for that point before even attempting this.
DavidinCT said:
You know how rumors, Windows Phone 7 and Verizon are..... a bunch of bull****... I'll believe it when I see an offical press statement. That phone is just another one of the "Arrive" phones that passed FCC, no other info, it could be going to all the small CDMA carriers for all we know.
To the OP, you said you can't afford to have a phone sitting around and not working. How do you feel about spending $500-600 on a phone off contract ? That would be about what they would want for one.
I'd be interested in getting this working and trash the ESN on my TP2 (with a cracked display) if this was possable (and getting everything working, internet, SMS, etc with no issues) but, I'm not willing to dump $500+ on a phone that I might have problems getting working...If I could get it for $150-200, I'd be all over it though..
Edit: Checked on ebay...brand new, no contract, there is a buyit now for $360, so cheaper than I thought
Latest word on VZW is May 5th...(Next Thursday), I'd wait for that point before even attempting this.
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Yeah, I saw the rumor of 7 Pro coming to Verizon (posted a link to it on another thread yesterday), and I have just about as much faith as you do. I'm unemployed, so no, I really don't want to spend $500 on a phone, but if I had to, I could, but only if it is going to actually work. And yes, I've already been looking on ebay. For the moment, I'm waiting on my refund from Sprint for the two Arrives that my wife and I had, and then I'll decide if I'm going to try it, or if it looks like VZW might actually DO something.
I'm growing more disgruntled with Verizon with every passing day, but unfortunately, they may as well be considered a monopoly where I live. I switched to Sprint for the Arrive, but had to switch back. I can look out my window, across the parking lot, and often see my pastor standing outside the church so he can talk on his ATT phone, and I'm just not willing to do that. So I guess I'm stuck with waiting until VZW gets over its grudge against MS for the Kin debacle. It's just ridiculous.
nganto said:
This is what i did to flash HTC Arrive using another CDMA operator (in this case, Smart Telecom Indonesia):
1. get the MSL/SPC of the phone. you can ask Sprint, or buy it from an unlock service provider (i bought it from nick flash cricket dot net)
2. put the phone in diag mode, using ##MFG#. i use winXP 32bit, and use this driver "HTC BMP USB Driver.zip"
3. connect to QPST. you can change the MSL, network code, IMSI, MDN, PRL, and auth HDR setting (evdo parameters)
4. connect to CDMA workshop to enter the AKEY
5. reboot.
now, my HTC arrive is with Smart Telecom. but alas, i can not unlock it to sideload apps
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The only problem is that may not work for verizon because the esn needs to be added and it won't
hopmedic said:
Yeah, I saw the rumor of 7 Pro coming to Verizon (posted a link to it on another thread yesterday), and I have just about as much faith as you do. I'm unemployed, so no, I really don't want to spend $500 on a phone, but if I had to, I could, but only if it is going to actually work. And yes, I've already been looking on ebay. For the moment, I'm waiting on my refund from Sprint for the two Arrives that my wife and I had, and then I'll decide if I'm going to try it, or if it looks like VZW might actually DO something.
I'm growing more disgruntled with Verizon with every passing day, but unfortunately, they may as well be considered a monopoly where I live. I switched to Sprint for the Arrive, but had to switch back. I can look out my window, across the parking lot, and often see my pastor standing outside the church so he can talk on his ATT phone, and I'm just not willing to do that. So I guess I'm stuck with waiting until VZW gets over its grudge against MS for the Kin debacle. It's just ridiculous.
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wp7 on verizon is pretty much fact theres test trophy devices with the verizon logo on them its just a matter of when they are going to release it
Can you, as in physically? Yes. Will they add the ESN for you? No. I read about the process and it has to be done by some really high-up tech guys. They'd lose their job doing it.
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The only problem is that may not work for verizon because the esn needs to be added and it won't
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i don't know about verizon's policy. if they won't put a non verizon esn in their system, then HTC arrive on Verizon will never gonna happen, unless you can change the esn (i heard it's illegal in there).
AFAIK, in Indonesia, cdma operators will be happy to insert as many as possible other operator devices, to increase their ARPU. Competition is very tight in here, so flexibility and new technology adoption are very important. We are expecting evdo rev. B available to public in June
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wp7 on verizon is pretty much fact theres test trophy devices with the verizon logo on them its just a matter of when they are going to release it
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Yep and with the Microsoft eployee poster, it's been coming from mid Jan...We are talking almost 5 months of waiting for a phone to be released. You can show me 10,000 pictures of some phone that could of been photoshopped with a VZW logo (I do think its real tho) but, till we have a press release, it does not matter.
Verizon could wait till June 30th (as some have claimed) are you willing to wait that long ??? I know I'm not.
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Yeah, I saw the rumor of 7 Pro coming to Verizon (posted a link to it on another thread yesterday), and I have just about as much faith as you do. I'm unemployed, so no, I really don't want to spend $500 on a phone, but if I had to, I could, but only if it is going to actually work. And yes, I've already been looking on ebay. For the moment, I'm waiting on my refund from Sprint for the two Arrives that my wife and I had, and then I'll decide if I'm going to try it, or if it looks like VZW might actually DO something.
I'm growing more disgruntled with Verizon with every passing day,..... It's just ridiculous.
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I agree 100%..
I'll tell you what, If we don't have at least a press statement by May 15th, I'll work with you to figure this one out. I'll call and pester tech support to get someone who will activate one (and share it with ya, if possble).
If that won't work, I'll figure out the...ugh...ESN cloning thing and use it from my TP2. I'm serious, you can PM me here or on PPCgeeks under the same user name.
I want this quest to end, if this is what I have to do, I am willing to do it... I'm tired of waiting for VZW to get off their ass and get us paying customers what we want.
I'm so pissed about it, I am seriously looking into going to AT&T and they are ok in my area but, not great. I can always go back within 15 days if I had to
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Yep and with the Microsoft eployee poster, it's been coming from mid Jan...We are talking almost 5 months of waiting for a phone to be released. You can show me 10,000 pictures of some phone that could of been photoshopped with a VZW logo (I do think its real tho) but, till we have a press release, it does not matter.
Verizon could wait till June 30th (as some have claimed) are you willing to wait that long ??? I know I'm not.
I agree 100%..
I'll tell you what, If we don't have at least a press statement by May 15th, I'll work with you to figure this one out. I'll call and pester tech support to get someone who will activate one (and share it with ya, if possble).
If that won't work, I'll figure out the...ugh...ESN cloning thing and use it from my TP2. I'm serious, you can PM me here or on PPCgeeks under the same user name.
I want this quest to end, if this is what I have to do, I am willing to do it... I'm tired of waiting for VZW to get off their ass and get us paying customers what we want.
I'm so pissed about it, I am seriously looking into going to AT&T and they are ok in my area but, not great. I can always go back within 15 days if I had to
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Yeah... We know that at least the poster is official, so the Trophy WILL come to VZW. The question is how long they're going to jerk their paying customers around before it does.
As far as getting an Arrive to work on VZW, it would be so much easier if the new 7 Pro rumor is true AND happens sometime before Jesus comes back. But if you get an Arrive working on VZW, I will definitely be with you. I'm unemployed, so I can't afford to buy a phone if it's going to end up bricked because I did something wrong, and as far as programming, I'm just your basic .NET/SQL programmer without much experience, because at the manufacturing plant I worked at, I was the only IT guy, so I had to do it all, therefore didn't have time to specialize in anything (which is why I'm having so much trouble finding a job). And as far as whether it's legal or not to clone an ESN? Frankly, I don't care. It'd be my phone, so I really don't care what they say I can and cannot do with it.
I really want a phone, though, because I'm planning for this to make me some money, selling in marketplace. I've already paid for my developer account, and had my Sprint phone unlocked the official way, but had to send it back, since I went back to VZW. But that means my dev account is sitting there not making me any money, while the expiration date creeps closer. Also, I signed up for the MS App Garage event in Atlanta next month, so it would be great to have a phone by then. Hopefully we'll know something OFFICIAL soon. I'm so ticked at VZW.....
still would like to know if it's possable to use a ESN from my TP2 and put it on a Arrive...but, if someone could get QPST to work with it and save settings for Verizon, it should work but, it's just getting them to enable the ESN or,,,<G> clone it
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still would like to know if it's possable to use a ESN from my TP2 and put it on a Arrive...but, if someone could get QPST to work with it and save settings for Verizon, it should work but, it's just getting them to enable the ESN or,,,<G> clone it
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probably using cdma workshop yes
but again highly illegal considering vzw won't add ESNs of any kind. Heck even if you say that you got your device from HTC themselves, the ESN won't be added
I got a call from 2313 about 5 minutes ago & ignored it. It then showed I had a new voicemail so I listened and it was some Verizon rep informing me of an illegal bootloader on my device. They said they are looking into it and if I had any questions to call them back.
Has this happened to anyone else here?
EDIT: LOL... sorry, I pulled over and listened to the message again. There was some thread on here awhile ago about filing a complaint with the FCC about Verizon locking bootloaders. There was a form to fill out to attempt to get Verizon to stop locking them and I submitted it.
So that's what the call was about. Heh... I can't believe Verizon's actually gotten back to me on it.
Haha, nice little read. Eh, even if there wasn't the whole dispute with the FCC going on, Verizon couldn't do anything about us using different bootloaders. It's not illegal, according to the judge who turned down Apples case against jailbroken iPhones. Verizon's taking the coward's way in trying to scare people. Baaaah, humbug. But, I'd include that call with your complaint file to the FCC
Troooooooollin!
People have been rooting Verizon android phones since the droid. I really don't think it would be an issue you misuse their services.
And please, don't use your phone when driving. A message from a concerned xda user.
So if I want to return the Verizon SGS3, what's the best way to do this? The only reason is the locked bootloader, and I haven't received the box yet (nor obviously opened it.)
Is it best to return it as a defective device? (Without opening it, as I was relying upon the assumption that it would be unlocked like all of Samsung's previous devices, which have been all unlocked, including other carrier's SGS3s, and furthermore that it would be substantially similar to the SGS3 available to other carriers.)
Is there a good way to avoid a restocking fee?
Would it be better to ebay it and pick up a Nexus (though I hear that the camera sucks.)
Would it be better to switch to another carrier? Is there an obvious ETF loophole? Do I avoid ETF if I just return the device before activating it?
Sprint has unlimited and they have an unlocked SGS3. Does it have LTE inside? Will it work with their upcoming LTE network?
This bootloader lock is ridiculous. I want to go as close to AOSP as possible on the best possible hardware, which appears to currently be the SGS3, but I don't intend upon sticking with the carrier's software update strategy over the next 2 years of a contract.
I suppose you could refuse the package. Then it goes back to them and I don't believe they can charge you the restocking fee, as you never accepted the package to begin with.
Good luck with that 30 activation fee though.
The Nexus camera isn't that bad.
Just sell the GS3 online and you'll make a killing from someone who has no upgrade to use.
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I second the package refusal. They can't charge you if you never received it. How much is the restocking fee anyway?
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Has yours even shipped? If not go to the pre order page hit check status and type your information in then hit cancel and enter the last 4 of your SSN.
No need to return.................
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756885
I called their Online Sales.. 1-866-338-7390
My order has completed, but hasn't shipped yet, so they will create a ticket to *see* if the warehouse can cancel before it ships, then will send an email to you...
So you can try .. I'd do it ASAP if your looking to do this .. they just opened for the day..
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I suppose you could refuse the package. Then it goes back to them and I don't believe they can charge you the restocking fee, as you never accepted the package to begin with.
Good luck with that 30 activation fee though.
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I will be returning it in 14 days if Verizon doesn't officially unlock. It is a defective unit in my opinion so I will NOT be paying restocking fee. I am considering switching to Sprint...so much cheaper and will meet my needs just as well...
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I will be returning it in 14 days if Verizon doesn't officially unlock. It is a defective unit in my opinion so I will NOT be paying restocking fee. I am considering switching to Sprint...so much cheaper and will meet my needs just as well...
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Same here, i'm waiting to see what happens, if it is in fact encrypted i'm returning (it would be a long while b4 anything happens w/ an unlock, if it happens at all) if its not encrypted and just locked i'll wait until one of the marvelous devs of the XDA community crack it, hell they already got root.
But if its encrypted i will politely and firmly tell VZW to shove it and refund me or give me a nexus, no way in hell i'm paying restocking fees
Since it appears that we can write to the internal flash, AND boot from an unsigned recovery partition, (and also write a modified system.img!?) I think we're going to be ok here. Booting from an unsigned recovery means that we can basically do anything. It's still a pain, but much less of a PITA than if booting from unsigned partitions at all was restricted. (So it appears this is somewhere between a HTC-esque S-ON and S-OFF.)
Mine has already shipped.
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I will be returning it in 14 days if Verizon doesn't officially unlock. It is a defective unit in my opinion so I will NOT be paying restocking fee. I am considering switching to Sprint...so much cheaper and will meet my needs just as well...
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Does the unit work as intended in Verizon's eyes? Are you trying to do something you shouldnt but a designed protocol is preventing you from doing it? If the answer is yes to either question, then its not defective.
I took a long shot and took my never turned on S3 to the Verizon store to see about swapping for a Nexus. Since I bought online they could do nothing in store. The only two options are returning using the pre-paid shipping label included with the phone or selling. A return is guaranteed to incur the $35 fee. From what I've read the bootloader is probably encrypted and therefore will never be broken by the devs. The current level of enthusiasm reminds me of 2 years ago when I bought my DroidX, and we all know how that turned out. Sure they finally figured out 2ndinit and enabled some non stock kernels, but it was really like running a VM on an underpowered PC and basically sucked.We enthusiasts need to come to terms with the fact that verizon doesn't want or need us. They currently are and will continue to do quite well financially without us. I plan on seeing how this playsout over the next several days and then I'll probably return mine and buy a used Nexus. The next step, and I'll guarantee you it's coming, will be for them to not allow you to change devices if you're on unlimited data, unless you purchase at full price directly. Get ready to decide whether you want a superior network and be treated like an iSheep, or to be an android enthusiast.
My plan is buy the phone on the 10th, if this isn't fixed by the return window I'll return it as defective and be asking for my money back for the SD card I purchased, along with anything else I buy for it, since I won't need them with the Galaxy Nexus.
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I took a long shot and took my never turned on S3 to the Verizon store to see about swapping for a Nexus. Since I bought online they could do nothing in store. The only two options are returning using the pre-paid shipping label included with the phone or selling. A return is guaranteed to incur the $35 fee. From what I've read the bootloader is probably encrypted and therefore will never be broken by the devs. The current level of enthusiasm reminds me of 2 years ago when I bought my DroidX, and we all know how that turned out. Sure they finally figured out 2ndinit and enabled some non stock kernels, but it was really like running a VM on an underpowered PC and basically sucked.We enthusiasts need to come to terms with the fact that verizon doesn't want or need us. They currently are and will continue to do quite well financially without us. I plan on seeing how this playsout over the next several days and then I'll probably return mine and buy a used Nexus. The next step, and I'll guarantee you it's coming, will be for them to not allow you to change devices if you're on unlimited data, unless you purchase at full price directly. Get ready to decide whether you want a superior network and be treated like an iSheep, or to be an android enthusiast.
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I hope I will be able to swap mines out for a nexus. I pre ordered mine in store. What really grabbed me about the s3 was being able to watch videos while texting. I have a really long story about how my pre order went down as well, but I won't get into that.
I don't even have my phone yet, and I feel extremely disappointed.
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What if my phone is accidentally dropped before the 14 days are up? Can I still return it and get charged only the restocking fee? Maybe the fed-ex wasn't careful with the phone?
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I took a long shot and took my never turned on S3 to the Verizon store to see about swapping for a Nexus. Since I bought online they could do nothing in store. The only two options are returning using the pre-paid shipping label included with the phone or selling. A return is guaranteed to incur the $35 fee. From what I've read the bootloader is probably encrypted and therefore will never be broken by the devs. The current level of enthusiasm reminds me of 2 years ago when I bought my DroidX, and we all know how that turned out.
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This is exactly what has me worried. I have a DX that I am greatly anticipating getting rid of (even though Jonman's CM9 port is rockin') and I pre-ordered the SGS3 largely BECAUSE it had an unlocked bootloader.
Sure they finally figured out 2ndinit and enabled some non stock kernels, but it was really like running a VM on an underpowered PC and basically sucked.
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2nd-init doesn't allow you to run a custom kernel. There are other methods that will allow you to boot a custom kernel, but they lack basic functionality, like CDMA radios, partly because much of that is built into the kernel. 2nd-init does allow you to run a custom OS on top of the stock kernel. This is where a lot of the difficulties come in. Right now, for example, I am running a GB kernel with an ICS rom (CM9). Getting drivers that talk to the GB kernel and the ICS API is tricky, to say the least. Again, Jonman's CM9 is BOSS and continually getting better, but it is noticeably crippled because of the locked/encrypted bootloader.
We enthusiasts need to come to terms with the fact that verizon doesn't want or need us. They currently are and will continue to do quite well financially without us.
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Unfortunately, I agree with you. IHMO, they should be sued for anti-trust violations. They have the best product, in terms of their network, and they are using that as leverage against their customers and preventing an open market. Pretty much all the major carriers do this to some degree, but Verizon is the worst offender.
I plan on seeing how this playsout over the next several days and then I'll probably return mine and buy a used Nexus. The next step, and I'll guarantee you it's coming, will be for them to not allow you to change devices if you're on unlimited data, unless you purchase at full price directly.
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As of 28 June, 2012 (about a week or so ago), this is already true. That's why I pre-ordered the SGS3 when I did. I was eligible for a contract renewal (and therefore a subsidized phone) on July 20th, and I pre-ordered on the 21st. You can continue on the same contract indefinitely, but if you want a subsidized phone, you have to switch to their "shared everything" plan.
Get ready to decide whether you want a superior network and be treated like an iSheep, or to be an android enthusiast.
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Part of my point on the anti-trust violation, especially when you consider the practice of subsidized phones and the issue mentioned directly above.
ez unlock
satadru said:
Sboatloader with an app calledc want to return the Verizon SGS3, what's the best way to do this? The only reason is the locked bootloader, and I haven't received the box yet (nor obviously opened it.)
Is it best to return it as a defective device? (Without opening it, as I was relying upon the assumption that it would be unlocked like all of Samsung's previous devices, which have been all unlocked, including other carrier's SGS3s, and furthermore that it would be substantially similar to the SGS3 available to other carriers.)
Is there a good way to avoid a restocking fee?
Would it be better to ebay it and pick up a Nexus (though I hear that the camera sucks.)
Would it be better to switch to another carrier? Is there an obvious ETF loophole? Do I avoid ETF if I just return the device before activating it?
Sprint has unlimited and they have an unlocked SGS3. Does it have LTE inside? Will it work with their upcoming LTE network?
This bootloader lock is ridiculous. I want to go as close to AOSP as possible on the best possible hardware, which appears to currently be the SGS3, but I don't intend upon sticking with the carrier's software update strategy over the next 2 years of a contract.
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You can now unlock your boatloader with an app called ez unlock!
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You can now unlock your boatloader with an app called ez unlock!
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why did you necro this thread? im sure after 2mo that person figured out what ez unlock is lmao
Called AT&T to complain about locked bootloader, response was "it may be temporary"
I dialed 611 to contact AT&T about my displeasure at the locked bootloader (you should too!) and after speaking with an "android specialist" the rep told me that it was an AT&T corporate decision but he also said it was temporary. After talking to the manager he told me they would pass on the complaint the engineers. I'm not sure I believe the claim that it will be temporary, but perhaps we can get more people to call in and get complaints filed and possibly learn more. I'm still unsure about whether or not to return this phone, I am a big cyanogenmod fan and I would have no reason to stay on the service especially if future samsung devices are locked.
Interesting. I hope this "android specialist" wasn't just talking out of his ass.
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Interesting. I hope this "android specialist" wasn't just talking out of his ass.
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That's honestly my guess, but I don't know what else to do besides get a refund. I figured I would at least humor them with a formal complaint.
If you want CM, don't buy the S4. Don't buy a phone because of what it might become. Buy a phone because of what it is. I will not buy this phone if the bootloader remains locked.
Sent from my HTC Vivid.
I dont see that being true...Our carriers have a non existent track record of going and unlocking boot loaders after the fact. Either it's unlock-able from the get go, or not at all. they really dont care about the flashing community. They care about profits, which are greater when They aren't getting bricked phones back for warranty replacements.
he was some what honest, temporary as in until some1 here unlocks it. Att wont lol
ALL!!!!!!! GS4 owners heck all ATT Android users need to call CS , ATT Facebook post and tweet.....hammer them in social meda
Im not even planing on purchasing GS4 and have already posted my dissatisfaction on their facebook.
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I dont see that being true...Our carriers have a non existent track record of going and unlocking boot loaders after the fact. Either it's unlock-able from the get go, or not at all. they really dont care about the flashing community. They care about profits, which are greater when They aren't getting bricked phones back for warranty replacements.
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Not true.
The HTC EVO 3D had full lockdown on Sprint & its customers spoke up and unlock was had hmmm well somewhat unlocked.
99% HTC and Sprint facebook page was covered in protest postings for a week and it made a difference.
Both Sprint & HTC caved
here you go - https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
XDA needs to step up sticky this thread , After all open source is what this sites about.
well lets start spamming AT&T and samsungs facebook pages.. they dont read XDA
sling said:
ALL!!!!!!! GS4 owners heck all ATT Android users need to call CS , ATT Facebook post and tweet.....hammer them in social meda
Im not even planing on purchasing GS4 and have already posted my dissatisfaction on their facebook.
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Not true.
The HTC EVO 3D had full lockdown on Sprint & its customers spoke up and unlock was had hmmm well somewhat unlocked.
99% HTC and Sprint facebook page was covered in protest postings for a week and it made a difference.
Both Sprint & HTC caved
here you go - https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
XDA needs to step up sticky this thread , After all open source is what this sites about.
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well i stand corrected, From all my dealings on ATT they could care less. And they are bigger than Sprint, Sprint cant afford to piss off customers, but who knows
I would send it back and purchase from TMobile. Stick your ATT SIM card and smile. They willget the message eventually.
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I would send it back and purchase from TMobile. Stick your ATT SIM card and smile. They willget the message eventually.
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I think T-Mobile uses a micro-sim card. So you will need to get a micro-sim card from AT&T (doable from what I have heard) and have your info transferred to it by AT&T or you could use a sim cutter (I have no experience with them). Of course, that is if the T-Mobile variant is verified to use a micro-sim.
Also, it needs to be verified that the T-Mobile radio (baseband / modem) that is included in the T-Mobile phone works well on AT&T's network. Just because the phone's hardware might have the same frequencies as the AT&T network (LTE and other) doesn't mean that the stock radio (software) has been optimized to use them all.
I just posted on the AT&T facebook Totally agree that we should all speak out about this. I have high hopes for Key Lime Pie and maybe they will push an unlock then and this is just an attempt to keep selling the GS3. This phone has no advertising and an encrypted bootloader, I feel like this is just being used as a ploy to sell more Galaxy S3s while they wait for the supposedly new iPhone coming sometime soon I think. Whenever that arrives they will probably pull some crazy ass **** with the Galaxy S4, possibly unlock it and maybe push out a new version of Android. That's obviously in a perfect world though :silly:
Take all that with a grain of salt as I'm not a professional and just a Networking Administrator student XD
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well i stand corrected, From all my dealings on ATT they could care less. And they are bigger than Sprint, Sprint cant afford to piss off customers, but who knows
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nah ATT cares , perfect example is pissing contest they are in with T-mobile currently.
I week of negative publicity with users facebook posting they are moving to T-mobile were Android is unlocked will get their attention no doubt.
A week of Samsung facebook postings they've had enough lockdown & going HTC One will grab their attention fast.
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Interesting. I hope this "android specialist" wasn't just talking out of his ass.
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90% certain they were and confused SIM locking (usually temporary on AT&T for "exclusive" devices - which is all devices they sell using AT&T's very broad definition of "exclusive") with bootloader locking.
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90% certain they were and confused SIM locking (usually temporary on AT&T for "exclusive" devices - which is all devices they sell using AT&T's very broad definition of "exclusive") with bootloader locking.
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You're right, I'm sure. I'm just in denial.
I returned a case today at at&t for my htc one and the guys there said they had alot of s4 returns and or exchanges for the note 2 or htc one over the weekend. Im sure a small few were becuase of the bootloader. Maybe the rest were becuase of the lag and bloat?
Just posted my thoughts on AT&T's FB page. Not due for an upgrade for another couple of months but I was seriously considering getting the S4.
If even a small amount of those returns included a "restocking fee", AT&T is still making money. The only way they will care is if people drop them all together as a carrier and spend their money with another carrier.
Of course, if it happens enough, Samsung may take notice of all the AT&T returns.
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well lets start spamming AT&T and samsungs facebook pages.. they dont read XDA
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lol
Samsung , HTC etc techs live in XDA they know whats up lol
There praying uproar so the suits take off the chains.
Anyway by the look of this thread ATT GS4 owners aren't up to the task of making their voice heard were it matters.
Donation unlock bootloader threads wont solve the long term problem.....its just a temp fix.
EVO 3D potential buyers & owners had petition in action on day one of release , a couple weeks later with Facebook blasting Sprint & HTC made things right.
Sprint no longer requesting bootlodaer lock down and hTC will no longer do so for them
Have to admit, IF a couple thousand (every user in the XDA S4 forums including those not on ATT) users would complain about this matter they would notice. As for doing anything? I still doubt it, but someone in the inside could "leak" the info to us after seeing the outcry. Can't say it hasn't happened before...
Sent from my Galaxy S4