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Does any one know of a theft alarm that will give a warning when my mobile is away from the receiver (in my pocket) more than a certain distance? Maybe built on RFID technology or blue tooth?
Your question made me imagine a phone tied by a piece of string to one of your pockets, so if someone jerks it out without you noticing, it would also jerk your pants. lol
that would be the simplest solution; still, I prefer technology, a very tiny transmitter hidden in the mobile, preferably a passive RFID tag so it will not contain a battery which then will be paired to a receiver that can only detect this tag. If the mobile is out of range, a buzzer and vibrating alarm is activated in the receiver.
I know that this seems possible, however, current RFID readers are priced in Ks of $, and this will not make it feasible for every one to buy it.
There are some alarms in the market with the same idea but built on different technology, their problem is that the transmitter is noticeable and the thief can simply remove them the moment he picks the mobile.
http://www.tradekey.com/selloffer_view/id/887081.htm
ok so you are running late for work and forget to put the non mobile side of the detector on your person one morning, you get part of the way out the door up the street and your phone starts buzzing and beeping like crazy.... run back to pick up the chip???
yeah if you really want this that bad string sounds good.
cktlcmd said:
Your question made me imagine a phone tied by a piece of string to one of your pockets, so if someone jerks it out without you noticing, it would also jerk your pants. lol
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Also, if the phone slip of your hand, the string will prevent it from drop to the floor. Not a bad idea, expecially you get two protections for the price of one.
If you carved some gooves into the side of the phone you could make a yoyo too.
come on guys, where I live, 3 out of 5 mobile owners had their mobiles theft at least once, if we use the string alarm, I imagine every one walking down the street is screaming out of pain because a thief tried to steal his mobile and had to let go when he found it stringed, this sudden release hearts I think
phones are considered disposable technology these days, i remember a few years back when insurance companies in australia use to offer insurance on phone theft but no one really bothered with it much.
if someone wants my phone badly enough to try and take it from my pocket i garentee there will be some sort of weapon involved and they will want my wallet and keys too and that being the case they can have it.
also considering that most people are aware that a phone can be tracked via the cell network who would buy it? its not like you will pay $50 down the pub for it knowing that someone would have reported it stolen and ur average thief aint smart enough to know how to change the IMEI number nor would anyone who is stupid enough to buy a $50 phone at a pub with half a string attached to it (LMAO)
st3v3 said:
phones are considered disposable technology these days, i remember a few years back when insurance companies in australia use to offer insurance on phone theft but no one really bothered with it much.
if someone wants my phone badly enough to try and take it from my pocket i garentee there will be some sort of weapon involved and they will want my wallet and keys too and that being the case they can have it.
also considering that most people are aware that a phone can be tracked via the cell network who would buy it? its not like you will pay $50 down the pub for it knowing that someone would have reported it stolen and ur average thief aint smart enough to know how to change the IMEI number nor would anyone who is stupid enough to buy a $50 phone at a pub with half a string attached to it (LMAO)
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Obviously you have not been on any poor parts of the world, based on your opinion. But in reality, there are parts of the world where cell phones don't have insurance, and they do sell it on the nearby pub, and people actually will buy them believe it or not. Just my observation.
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where I live, it is exactly as what cktlcmd described, a phone may cost the salary of several months to some people, police can not track all of them and they get stolen only when you loose your attention for one moment (it takes less than 30 seconds of not paying attention to loose your mobile as per statistics), so may be a theft alarm does not sound feasible where st3v3 lives, but here, it sure is. Besides, loosing the data and having someone looking at your personal data is what hearts more.
hatamata said:
where I live, it is exactly as what cktlcmd described, a phone may cost the salary of several months to some people, police can not track all of them and they get stolen only when you loose your attention for one moment (it takes less than 30 seconds of not paying attention to loose your mobile as per statistics), so may be a theft alarm does not sound feasible where st3v3 lives, but here, it sure is. Besides, loosing the data and having someone looking at your personal data is what hearts more.
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point taken but having the phone vibrate and beep still isnt going to act as much of a deterant, a running thief will just keep running!
hatamata said:
Besides, loosing the data and having someone looking at your personal data is what hearts more.
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Backup frequently (automatically - see my Backup Bible at http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1270&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 ) and use a Secure Information Manager. The four best are:
CodeWallet Pro (Developer One, Inc., www.developerone.com)
eWallet Professional (Ilium Software, www.iliumsoft.com)
FlexWallet (WebIS, Inc., www.webis.net)
Spb Wallet (Spb Software House, www.spbsoftwarehouse.com)
st3v3 said:
point taken but having the phone vibrate and beep still isnt going to act as much of a deterant, a running thief will just keep running!
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Not the phone that will vibrate, it is the receiver which should be in my pocket
As for Menneisyys's back up idea, it sure will save most data but not all of it, still, it will not prevent others from seeing my sensitive data stored on the phone.
hatamata said:
where I live, it is exactly as what cktlcmd described, a phone may cost the salary of several months to some people, police can not track all of them and they get stolen only when you loose your attention for one moment (it takes less than 30 seconds of not paying attention to loose your mobile as per statistics)...
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I know that there are countries where a phone cost a few months of salary.. but I'm pretty sure that in those countries, there are always cheaper alternatives. E.g. India's gazillion-aire may buy an A380 as private jet.. build a tower as his own house.. but they do have pretty cheap cars (as I heard, £1,000+). Hence, I don't really understand when people are willing to spend several month of salary on a phone. If that's the case, then probably that's a risk they have to take. E.g., you don't get a convertible car in China unless you are prepared to hire body guards.
AND, if that phone is going to cost the person buying the phone x months of salary, I would think it would cost y (where y > x) months of salary for the person who is stealing it, and some beeping gadgets will not do the job. The beeping gadget will probably make a `theft` to a `robbery`, I think.
Anyway, cute beeping gadget .
hatamata said:
Not the phone that will vibrate, it is the receiver which should be in my pocket
As for Menneisyys's back up idea, it sure will save most data but not all of it, still, it will not prevent others from seeing my sensitive data stored on the phone.
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You can encrypt everything on, say, your card in the background - WM6 already supports this. Also, there already are Remote Wipe solutions.
It's time we band together to file some neccessary complaints against Samsung until they either:
1. Give us a full refund so we can buy an out-of-contract smart phone through our provider.
2. Provide us with the same phone or a software update IMMEDIATELY that makes GPS work
There are no other options. What Samsung is doing is fraudulent and illegal. You cannot advertise a product with a feature it does not have. We were lied to and charged for a device under false pretenses. It's completely illegal and there should be some sort of restitution. It's not like we're asking for something it didn't have or we're asking for better performance...we're simply asking for a major major feature that is on most/all high-end phones and, more importantly, a feature it's advertised to have...
So we ALL need to take 15 - 20 minutes out of day to file complaints until someone takes notice.
1. The Better Business Bureau - http://www.bbb.org/us/ Go through the process, choose the HQ in Texas with the COMPLAINT in the title.
2. Samsung directly - This seems to fall on deaf ears but I think if a few hundred or a thousand people keep complaining...someone will notice a pattern.
3. The FTC - https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en
4. The Attorney General of Texas (HQ for Samsung) - https://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/complain.shtml
5. AT&T or your provider - File on site and over the phone
6. Submit it to CNN - http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11b.html and any other news site that will listen.
I'm not trying to be some complaining jerk but it's been months since this issue has been known about and we still have no fix. I am pissed because I use GPS all the time and I now have to carry a 2nd device...my 2-year old G1 or a dedicated device. LUDICROUS.
There is strength in numbers so please file some complaints...we paid for these phones and we deserve a fully functional device.
/drama
You might be ok getting ripped off. I'm not. And if you are ok with it, I've got a bunch of stuff I'd like to sell you. You can buy my Audi A8, it doesn't have an engine but I still want full asking price as if it had an engine. I've got a rolex I'll sell ya for $5k, except it's a fake and it doesn't keep the correct time...but I still want the price as if it worked.
I'm not ok with getting lied to, indirectly, or buying a broken product. It's not like it's $10 shirt I can return because it's missing a button (although, if you couldn't return a new shirt because it was damaged...I bet you'd be upset about that, no?)...it's a $400++ phone that does not work.
What functions would you be ok with not working? What if the wifi didn't work? Then complain? No?
It's a broken product, bottom line.
Did you do your research about the phone before you bought it? Did you not read that there were GPS issues? Did you buy it anyway?
Yes, you did buy it, and probaby didn't do the research. A company's worst nightmare is an educated consumer. Someone that they can't rip off. You fell into Samsungs trap and now you feel unhappy and lied to. When I got this phone I knew the GPS didn't work. I did my research. But it wasn't a deal breaker for me. I have GPS built in to my car, and I have a few other Garmin Nuvi's laying around the house.
Don't complain about the phone, just sell it, try and get some of your money back, and buy something that works for you. There are plenty of options out there. Just don't come in the forums and try to bash a phone that many of us love.
I just sent Samsung an e-mail through their web form. Jerks.
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Did you do your research about the phone before you bought it? Did you not read that there were GPS issues? Did you buy it anyway?
Yes, you did buy it, and probaby didn't do the research. A company's worst nightmare is an educated consumer. Someone that they can't rip off. You fell into Samsungs trap and now you feel unhappy and lied to. When I got this phone I knew the GPS didn't work. I did my research. But it wasn't a deal breaker for me. I have GPS built in to my car, and I have a few other Garmin Nuvi's laying around the house.
Don't complain about the phone, just sell it, try and get some of your money back, and buy something that works for you. There are plenty of options out there. Just don't come in the forums and try to bash a phone that many of us love.
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lol. So wait, you paid full price for a phone with a "feature" that you knew didn't work? And that makes you educated? Wat.
I have NO CLUE why you're OK with a company advertising a feature that does not exist...yet you still bought it. http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones/SGH-I897ZKAATT-features Check the list...GPS...does it have GPS? No.
I did research on it, but, like everyone else, figured it would be fixed quickly with a software fix since I couldn't fathom a company as large as Samsung advertising something that blatantly didn't work.
Bottom line is the phone is great but it does NOT HAVE GPS...like it's advertised to have. Therefore, I cannot use MyTracks, GPS, Google Maps, Waze or any other feature that requires GPS. Therefore, I should get a refund for a full new phone out of contract.
I still can't believe you're OK with buying a separate device for something your phone is supposed to have...lol...yea corporate America...we're so insecure that we don't mind getting ripped off anymore.
USA! USA! USA! lulz.
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Drew489 said:
It's time we band together to file some neccessary complaints against Samsung until they either:
1. Give us a full refund so we can buy an out-of-contract smart phone through our provider.
2. Provide us with the same phone or a software update IMMEDIATELY that makes GPS work
There are no other options. What Samsung is doing is fraudulent and illegal. You cannot advertise a product with a feature it does not have. We were lied to and charged for a device under false pretenses. It's completely illegal and there should be some sort of restitution. It's not like we're asking for something it didn't have or we're asking for better performance...we're simply asking for a major major feature that is on most/all high-end phones and, more importantly, a feature it's advertised to have...
So we ALL need to take 15 - 20 minutes out of day to file complaints until someone takes notice.
1. The Better Business Bureau - http://www.bbb.org/us/ Go through the process, choose the HQ in Texas with the COMPLAINT in the title.
2. Samsung directly - This seems to fall on deaf ears but I think if a few hundred or a thousand people keep complaining...someone will notice a pattern.
3. The FTC - https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en
4. The Attorney General of Texas (HQ for Samsung) - https://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/complain.shtml
5. AT&T or your provider - File on site and over the phone
6. Submit it to CNN - http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11b.html and any other news site that will listen.
I'm not trying to be some complaining jerk but it's been months since this issue has been known about and we still have no fix. I am pissed because I use GPS all the time and I now have to carry a 2nd device...my 2-year old G1 or a dedicated device. LUDICROUS.
There is strength in numbers so please file some complaints...we paid for these phones and we deserve a fully functional device.
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I agree and I will do "ALL" i can to help in this sure to be LONG TRUDGE - If you are not in agreement or satisfied with a half working product then play with your phone and STOP mouthing off about how satisfied you are or about what this forum is for or about because you are not in agreement _ Just Play With Your Phone and K.I.M.
Keep It Movin!
miztaken1312 said:
Did you do your research about the phone before you bought it? Did you not read that there were GPS issues? Did you buy it anyway?
Yes, you did buy it, and probaby didn't do the research. A company's worst nightmare is an educated consumer. Someone that they can't rip off. You fell into Samsungs trap and now you feel unhappy and lied to. When I got this phone I knew the GPS didn't work. I did my research. But it wasn't a deal breaker for me. I have GPS built in to my car, and I have a few other Garmin Nuvi's laying around the house.
Don't complain about the phone, just sell it, try and get some of your money back, and buy something that works for you. There are plenty of options out there. Just don't come in the forums and try to bash a phone that many of us love.
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I understand that we should all educate ourselves before buying a product. I bought my captivate on launch day and had done as much research until then about the phone, mostly because I had been long debating getting a N1. However, seeing as I did buy my phone on launch day I had no idea the GPS didnt work. Frustrating yes, dealbreaker no. Guess Ive learned not to buy first run products.
p4ranoid4ndroid said:
I understand that we should all educate ourselves before buying a product. I bought my captivate on launch day and had done as much research until then about the phone, mostly because I had been long debating getting a N1. However, seeing as I did buy my phone on launch day I had no idea the GPS didnt work. Frustrating yes, dealbreaker no. Guess Ive learned not to buy first run products.
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Yeah, I've never been one to buy something on launch day (aside from maybe an video game). iPhone4 users learned that the hard way. Educating yourself as much as you can before you buy something is the best thing you can do for yourself. It's not like you'd go out and buy a Ford Pinto these days without researching it first. Everyone knows they were crappy cars.
Drew489 said:
You might be ok getting ripped off. I'm not. And if you are ok with it, I've got a bunch of stuff I'd like to sell you. You can buy my Audi A8, it doesn't have an engine but I still want full asking price as if it had an engine. I've got a rolex I'll sell ya for $5k, except it's a fake and it doesn't keep the correct time...but I still want the price as if it worked.
I'm not ok with getting lied to, indirectly, or buying a broken product. It's not like it's $10 shirt I can return because it's missing a button (although, if you couldn't return a new shirt because it was damaged...I bet you'd be upset about that, no?)...it's a $400++ phone that does not work.
What functions would you be ok with not working? What if the wifi didn't work? Then complain? No?
It's a broken product, bottom line.
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My GPS has worked perfectly from day one. I bought my captivate on launch day and have nothing to complain about. Sorry to hear you have had issues with your device. Perhaps you should try to trade it in under your retailers return policy? Just a suggestion.
Shovelhead84 said:
My GPS has worked perfectly from day one. I bought my captivate on launch day and have nothing to complain about. Sorry to hear you have had issues with your device. Perhaps you should try to trade it in under your retailers return policy? Just a suggestion.
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No offense Shovelhead, but the GPS functionality for many of us is extremely spotty. Even after several returns. Usually the AT&T folks tried to discourage me by saying it is just a software problem that will soon be fixed. Experience has shown me that a working GPS is a rare beast (at least one that works after a few days/weeks of use).
I have had 3 phones with GPS, one Samsung Blackjack and two BB. All have performed admirably with quick (less than 10-20 s) locks and excellent accuracy as seen on Google Maps and GARMIN Windows mapping products. I KNOW that phones are very capable of decent GPS performance. So far this is a gaping hole in my Captivate experience.
My speculation is that this is a combination software/HW problem. I am guessing that there may have been a batch of sub par GPS chips as well as poor driver interaction with the OS.
Shovelhead84 said:
My GPS has worked perfectly from day one. I bought my captivate on launch day and have nothing to complain about. Sorry to hear you have had issues with your device. Perhaps you should try to trade it in under your retailers return policy? Just a suggestion.
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I thought my GPS was working fine as well. Until I tried My Tracks in the market. It's clearly wrong. It's got your general location, but on the highway, it's saying I cross over east/west bound highways. And veers me off the road.
stuff said:
I thought my GPS was working fine as well. Until I tried My Tracks in the market. It's clearly wrong. It's got your general location, but on the highway, it's saying I cross over east/west bound highways. And veers me off the road.
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I feel your pain but when your GPS locks what is the accuracy? Best mine gets is about 15m. That could easily put you on either side of the road.
stuff said:
I thought my GPS was working fine as well. Until I tried My Tracks in the market. It's clearly wrong. It's got your general location, but on the highway, it's saying I cross over east/west bound highways. And veers me off the road.
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Now I do have a working GPS on my phone since I upgraded to the leaked Froyo. But it is not by any means dead-on accurate. Now of course the day I tested it, it was sitting in my cup holder with a straight view of the sky via my sun roof, but it was also cloudy and rainy. For the most part, it followed me exactly, but there were some spots where it did go off. When I use it now I put it on my dashboard and it works better.
Now in my belief, a device like a phone which does multiple functions, does none of them well because you have to have some kind of compromise internally either with hardware, software, or coding. I would never use my phone as a GPS when I'm in dire need to go somewhere, for instance if I need to find my way to the nearest hospital ASAP. I'd use a real GPS like a Garmin or TomTom because that's what they are dedicated to doing. Now I realize that now they add other features to GPS devices like bluetooth and music players and whatever, but those are added after the GPS has been written, tested, guaranteed to work as advertised.
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I feel your pain but when your GPS locks what is the accuracy? Best mine gets is about 15m. That could easily put you on either side of the road.
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I believe mine is similar. If i'm walking, or just using GPS for the fun of it (not driving) it's got me. But when I'm moving, it's not the best. I still think it is a software problems, but meh... I really don't know.
I haven't tried tweaking with any settings though.
I agree totally and will be filing complaints, we should have a sticky how to jump throught all the paper work.
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Also, I've got a buddy in europe with the i9000. He said the 2.2 update fixed the GPS. But, cog2.2/COE beta 4 "fixed" it as well. It just didn't give you the most accurate fix. It's 10-20meters in variance.
When I had my 3gs, I could turn on maps, and watch the little blue dot follow me whereever I went. I got rid of my first captivate bacause of the GPS and I got my second cause I love the phone...and 2.2 was leaked...lol
Anyway, I agree with the OP about Samsung being douches about GPS. It sucks. I've had 3 other Samsung phones and all worked without a hitch. I get this one, and GPS tells me to kiss its ass. My GPS hasent made a lock in 2 days. I don't want to take it back cause I really do love the phone, and I can live without GPS, but Samsung did advertise GPS and its not there. Wether we did research or not about the phone, it still doesn't change the fact that Samsung sold, and is still selling, a phone not as advertised and that is wrong.
What really makes people mad is that Samsung hasent addressed it yet. I think there hoping we forget about it.
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mmarquis said:
No offense Shovelhead, but the GPS functionality for many of us is extremely spotty. Even after several returns. Usually the AT&T folks tried to discourage me by saying it is just a software problem that will soon be fixed. Experience has shown me that a working GPS is a rare beast (at least one that works after a few days/weeks of use).
I have had 3 phones with GPS, one Samsung Blackjack and two BB. All have performed admirably with quick (less than 10-20 s) locks and excellent accuracy as seen on Google Maps and GARMIN Windows mapping products. I KNOW that phones are very capable of decent GPS performance. So far this is a gaping hole in my Captivate experience.
My speculation is that this is a combination software/HW problem. I am guessing that there may have been a batch of sub par GPS chips as well as poor driver interaction with the OS.
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Yeah however their has been a fix for this for awhile now.
Here is a good thread for this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732030
The GPS is there it just has a software issue right now however i did hear that 2.2 fixed this.
you work for samsung i bet...
lordstrife said:
Yeah however their has been a fix for this for awhile now.
Here is a good thread for this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732030
The GPS is there it just has a software issue right now however i did hear that 2.2 fixed this.
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People we all know about the fixes and so called tweaks to date. No bueno.
Who's Developing for "Square" MagStripe CreditCard Reader & Touchscreen Payment Systm
When I first saw a display ad here on XDA for this gizmo around beginning of April, I thought it was an Fool's joke because the gadget was so small, and it seemed "too smart" to be true.
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... but many of you know it's been out for quite a while. Threads here go back to I think September 2010, (though there was zero traction then)...
Website: https://squareup.com/media
FAQ: https://help.squareup.com/customer/portal/topics/4139-frequently-asked-questions/articles
It works on Android phones and iphones...
Then, by the end of April, having poked around a bit, following links, asking questions on their twitter feed and at facebook, I come to find out that SQUARE, the name of this device, new company and payment system, is the brainchild of Twitter founder Jack Dorsey, a real visionary, who's been ahead of the curve before, regarding the ways people, and groups of people, interact, and where technology can play a role there.
With this new knowledge -- which is significant -- it completely reframes the way I looked at this device: from a QUESTION MARK about
"who's using it and what do you think of its viability?"
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"who's using it and WHAT KINDS OF APPS do you see developing around this system for use by small businesses -- delivering them customized apps with physical credit card transaction systems?
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Very different perception about the entire product and viability as you see in the 3 short posts I made in this thread, how it quickly progresses
So, has anyone here....
• used one? If so, how did the transaction go? Is it smooth sailing, does the card reader work the first time? (if so, it's better than most checkout stands at grocery or drug store)
• bought one? if so, have you used it for a business, or just to try out, or to write an app for?
• developed custom software for it?
From the looks of it, if this works half as well as it appears, it seems pretty darn revolutionary.
Curious to see if there is any feedback.
To be honest it's not something that i would trust.
matt.blackwood said:
To be honest it's not something that i would trust.
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Explain more please. Do you mean as a card holder making a transaction? You mean you would not trust ...
(a) the security of the system to properly authenticate with the credit card company and approve the transaction
(b) the card reader's and software's inherent reliability to firewall your credit card data and isolate just that single transaction, without grabbing your credit card info?
(c) the vendor using the credit card reader and who knows what software has been tied to the reader to grab and suck down all your credit card data, nicely stored for vendor to use another time, another place -- or sell off to some third party?
(d) or the vendor is acting in good faith but someone makes an app for his particular business and sells to him and he is legit, but unbeknownst to him the app is "phoning home" to app maker or some third party with credit card data?
-------- Please explain , don't just pick a, b, c, d .... I'd really like to understand. And these just sprang off the top of my head once you said that.
I've been eyeing them as a company and as a mobile PoS system solution for a while... I signed up today, guess we'll see in a month how it goes.
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I've been eyeing them as a company and as a mobile PoS system solution for a while... I signed up today, guess we'll see in a month how it goes.
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Great! I hope you'll give us some feedback.
My first impression, as mentioned, upon seeing just the top image, was "what a clever joke" -- because I hadn't really thought something so small was realistic.
Then when I'd clicked through and saw it was tied together thru the headphone jack, I thought: wow, this is clever: Immediately flipped my thinking from joke -- to -- very clever engineering -- with a very smart snap/snug, stable external device mounting method, plus the critical input/output connection.
Then, seeing nothing more my mind wondered but what's the quality of the mag-stripe reader? ---- that's impossible to know... But upon seeing the device was actually in use and had history, I knew it had to work-- and -- my mind instantly flipped again to: How many times had I been to a major chain grocery store or "big-box" store, or ATM machine or parking lot checkout reader, and have my credit card rejected because "not readable" -- only to then have the same card work perfectly fine 10-feet away at another ATM machine? ... Answer: Very often.... And the cashier ends up taking the card and either swiping it in another device, or manually entering the numbers, so, my thought was: hey if it works 75% of the time, it's as good as most industrial strength systems i encounter in every day life... SERIOUSLY.
My mind tumbled out all of these reactive thoughts all in a split second -- like, what about signatures -- and of course, touchscreens, just like in stores. I didn't check to see if they provide a capactive stylus, but i have used about 3 brands of capactive stylusus on my various devices, and they are not bad ---- Put it this way, They are EASILY as good as controlling my signature as the crappy pens provided with almost every touchscreen signature system I have used at grocery stores, drug stores, etc, where my signatures is wildly uncontrolled and yet the system accepts it.
(NOSTALGIA NOTE: The argument has long been had about resistive vs capacitive screens -- I've been in on those for several years. The feature I miss the most on my post-windows-mobile phones is stylus-based drawing and handwriting and character recognition and "handwriting to text"... The entire industry took a giant 10-year step backwards with capacitive screens when that incredible advancement -- poof - just went away, got buried -- and most post-iphone-world consumers today don;'t even know that it was ever possible... oh.well. .... )
So, when I posted this thread, I was pretty psyched.
THEN came the first reply -- and his was the only reply before yours -- saying
To be honest it's not something that i would trust.
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And that lead me to immediately examine everything I'd ignored while I marveled at the technology. I never got a reply back from matt.blackwood
which is a real drag
because he raised the issue, and at the very least I wanted to know if the factors I then took apart were the factors bothering him -- or if it was just an overall intuition he hadn't really examined in the detail I did.
In the end, there is NO WAY THIS CONCEPT CAN FAIL ultimately... whether this particular company solves all the problems of security or someone else does... whether they get bought out by paypal, or whatever may happen. It's TOO SMART TO FAIL and I would consider investing money in the company.
Let's face it, the Apple Store uses clunky mobile credit card transaction devices, and they swipe the cards -- and the whole thing is very smart... But I recall asking a guy at Apple store in San Francisco a year ago
"Hey, how come you guys haven't hooked up an external card reader device to an iphone to do this same function? It seems kind of foolish to be touting the iphone's "there's an app for that" only to then have this dedicated terminal that seems way bigger than it needs to be to perform its function"
And the guy looks at me... You know that semi smug look you get with their cool blue t-shirts and tags around neck with the general attitude of "I know all" and "there's nothing you can possibly know that apple hasn't altready thought of" ...
And he starts to speak about "well I am sure they are working on..."
And I pull out my HTC Desire and say "But I'm just saying.. it's a pretty simple concept, anyone could do it, it's not that hard, they could do it to THIS phone, right?...So I'm just kind of surprised it's not even in prototype stage"
And the smug look has evaporated with no place to go... I wasn't being smug at all. I was just being correct. And he says "You're right. We should have that by now" ....
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So, *I* had envisioned an add on that was, of course, credit card sized, and was flat, and would butt-up flat to the bottom of a touchscreen device. That seemed so obvious.
Which is why I was initially baffled by this gizmo and thought it was a joke, because it seemed so unrealistic .... Until I clicked through and saw --- wow, *I* was wrong. Very very smart product design. They should change the external design to look less plastic and cheap, so as to convey a more durable and serious, secure product.
Please let us know what you think.
I think the main issues are definitely B, C and D on your previous post. I'm sure A has been solved by now, otherwise this wouldn't even be a product.
People are very paranoid about their credit cards, and with good reason. Anything remotely "new" will have a tough period of adaptation and the fact that this is portable and so ad-hoc (clever though it is) will only fuel people's doubts. It's great from an engineering perspective but its more of a risky bet when you take marketting into account. But not to worry, there's a lot of places that could pioneer these devices. Cyber cafe's with iphone-armed waitresses and such would be ideal. From there on it would spread. (I would NEVER use it on a hot dog stand like the ad photo suggests though, no way XD)
The signature thing caught my eye as well. Its gonna be really awkward to sign with your fingers. They should DEFINITELY package an iphone-compatible stylus with each reader.
Wow, didn't know SQUARE is from inventor of Twitter, his next "vision"
This quadruples my interest in this gizmo and belief in its destiny to take over the credit card terminal business:
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2011/04/jack-dorsey-201104
Frankly, now with this information, I'm really surprised XDA-devs is so slow to get onboard with this. My god, people are dragging their heels on this? It's completely nuts. This is a homerun. If someone has an app to develop for android or windows7, or even iphone, or vendor-by-vendor custom apps, this is going to be a huge huge money maker for app developers customizing apps for SMALL BUSINESSES.
He or she who drags feet will be like Microsoft dragging feet after the iphone flipped the UI for touchscreens to finger-based navigation.
CptAJ said:
I think the main issues are definitely B, C and D on your previous post. I'm sure A has been solved by now, otherwise this wouldn't even be a product.
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Thanks for replying. Here's what their site says about security. I would love to see the XDA-dev security experts scrutinize every aspect of the security issues, and pick apart any shortcomings -- simply for identification purposes. I want to see this succeed, and as you can see in the way I have reframed the way I see the product, I am certain it will. I can't see it failing to gain significant traction in X years' time. It will probably be way faster than it took paypal to build user trust -- because that was a different time in the internet curve of adoption by consumers.
https://squareup.com/security | VeriSign Secured seal | PCI Compliant link
Physical & Network Security
Sensitive data is encrypted using industry-standard methods when stored on disk or transmitted over public networks.
Only standard, well-reviewed cryptographic protocols and message formats (such as SSL and PGP) are used when transferring data.
Symmetric cryptographic keys are required to be at least 128 bits long. Asymmetric keys must be at least 2048 bits long.
Security updates and patches are installed on servers and equipment in a timely fashion.
Security settings of applications and devices are tuned to ensure appropriate levels of protection.
Square’s website and API are accessible via 128-bit, extended-validation SSL certificates issued by VeriSign.
Networks are strictly segregated according to security level. Modern, restrictive firewalls protect all connections between networks.
Card-processing systems adhere to PCI Data Security Standard (PCI-DSS), Level 1.
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Web and Client Application Security
Card numbers, magnetic stripe data, or security codes are not stored on Square client devices.
Applications developed in-house are subject to strict quality testing and security review. Web development follows industry-standard secure coding guidelines, such as those recommended by OWASP.
Card-processing applications adhere to the PCI Data Security Standard (PCI-DSS), Level 1.
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Organizational Security
Access to sensitive data, including application data and cryptographic keys, is strictly controlled on a need-to-know basis.
Two-factor authentication and strong password controls are required for administrative access to systems.
Security systems and processes are tested on a regular basis by qualified internal and external teams.
All access to secure services and data is strictly logged, and audit logs are reviewed on a regular basis.
Security policies and procedures are carefully documented, and are reviewed on a regular basis.
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We want to encourage responsible reporting of problems with our service. If you believe you have discovered a problem with our service, please contact us at [email protected].
Square will respond to all reasonable reports of potential security problems, usually within 24 hours. If you report a problem, we will:
Acknowledge your report, and provide you with contact information for our team as we investigate;
Work with you to ensure that we understand the issue, and consult with you about the best way to address it;
Work with other organizations, if necessary, to ensure that other services are protected too;
Keep you informed as all of this takes place; and
Give you credit, if you wish, for helping us.
Security is critical to Square. By reporting problems to us in a responsible manner you enable us to address issues and protect our users in a timely fashion. We also recognize that legitimate and well-intentioned researchers are sometimes blamed for the problems they disclose. In order to encourage responsible reporting practices, we promise not to bring legal action against researchers in response to a disclosure, provided they:
Share the full details of any problems found with us.
Do not disclose the issue publicly or to others until we have had a reasonable amount of time to address it. We will try to act quickly, but some aspects of our system are complicated and may take time to patch and test.
Do not intentionally harm the experience or usefulness of the service to others.
Never attempt to view, modify, or damage data belonging to others.
Do not seek compensation or reward for the report, either from Square or a third party.
This pledge is intended to balance the protections and guarantees necessary to encourage responsible disclosure against our own requirements and responsibilities for data security. It is not an invitation to test the security of our service without authorization. If you have any questions about this, or have any doubts about whether your tests are appropriate, please contact us before proceeding.
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*** I want to actually respond to your post's points that I can respond to in next post. This was to isolate the security info into one post.
I have one of these and have used it, the transactions have gone smoothly. I haven't used it often, but I've had it since they first launched (I was one of the first people to get one of them), and it works great as a swipe card reader as well as a manual input card device if you need to take a credit card number over the internet or phone. I'm not planning on using it in place a normal merchant account (I'm in the process of getting one set up for online transactions), but for in-person transactions I'd feel just as comfortable using this as I would any other card-swiping solution.
Just my two cents.
FORGET ABOUT ALL DOUBTS in Square payment system: VISA investing in Square
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42783124
For all those who were marginalizing SQUARE with a "wait and see" approach, you might as well sprint ahead and get into adoption mode, and start developing for it. With this VISA partnership, hard to see SQUARE needing any more validation. It's going to clean up big time.
Square Partners with Visa, Gaining Advantage in Mobile Payments Race
Source: squareup.com
Startup Square just secured a major advantage competitive mobile payments space — a strategic investment from Visa which will put one of its executives on the company's advisory board.
This isn't about the cash — earlier this year Square raised $27.7 million in financing, led by Sequoia capital — this is about validation from Visa, a leader in credit card payments.
Considering that all of Square's rivals, including Quicken and PayPal, have been looking to partner with a giant like Visa, this gives Square a huge advantage in getting merchants to adopt its service.
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more in link: http://www.cnbc.com/id/42783124
And from GigaOm:
Visa is making a strategic investment in mobile payment provider Square, providing the start-up with an undisclosed sum of money as well as a new advisory board member. It’s a nice boost for Square, which is on a roll as it tries to ramp up payments via a smartphone. But it also highlights the growing role of credit card companies as they try to prepare for the growing mobile payments boom.
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Kaessa said:
I have one of these and have used it, the transactions have gone smoothly. I haven't used it often, but I've had it since they first launched (I was one of the first people to get one of them), and it works great as a swipe card reader as well as a manual input card device if you need to take a credit card number over the internet or phone. I'm not planning on using it in place a normal merchant account (I'm in the process of getting one set up for online transactions), but for in-person transactions I'd feel just as comfortable using this as I would any other card-swiping solution.
Just my two cents.
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Kaessa, would love to get more anecdotal information about how customers are responding to this form of payment -- what questions do they ask... and even procedurally -- walk me through it, do you in fact hold the phone in your hand, as pictured, and they swipe it? Or do you turn phone sideways (90-degrees) so they can swipe card more like at cashier terminals?
Then what, do you keep the reader plugged in and flip phone around for people to sign?
Do people have an okay time with finger?
Is there a reset/ try signature again?
Just curious! Thank you.
I really want to get one of these to play with, but they are not available outside of the US. I don't want to use it for payments, just as a mag-stripe reader.
I was wondering if anyone in the US would be willing to buy one and send it over? I heard you can buy them over the counter from apple stores...
crazy stuff
MOD note: After going through the thread, indeed it's related to phones and shall be moved back to general shortly.
It might have been misinterpreted by ORB, even we moderators are humans and can make mistakes.
So, I suggest OP and everyone relax.
Also, if OP you have any further issues address them to me via PM ( not rant threads - like the one I shut ).
That is correct, initially it seemed to be an iphone only related thread, now OP edited and included other OS´s.
@OP, Next time please contact Moderator instead of creating rant threads please
orb3000 said:
That is correct, initially it seemed to be an iphone only related thread, now OP edited and included other OS´s.
@OP, Next time please contact Moderator instead of creating rant threads please
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OP only edited it to make it more apparent that it was about phones. No image was changed. No information was changed re OS. It was about Android from Day 1.
quicksite said:
Kaessa, would love to get more anecdotal information about how customers are responding to this form of payment -- what questions do they ask... and even procedurally -- walk me through it, do you in fact hold the phone in your hand, as pictured, and they swipe it? Or do you turn phone sideways (90-degrees) so they can swipe card more like at cashier terminals?
Then what, do you keep the reader plugged in and flip phone around for people to sign?
Do people have an okay time with finger?
Is there a reset/ try signature again?
Just curious! Thank you.
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I've only done it a couple of times, so I'm probably not the best one to ask. One was online, as an eBay transaction... PayPal had screwed up his account so I just took his Visa over the phone. There is a "card not present" option, just like with any other credit card machine.
As far as swiping the card, I would take the card from them and swipe it. It's a fairly delicate device, not like a grocery store card reader, and someone getting over-enthusiastic with it could break it or your phone's headphone jack. I don't worry about breaking it myself... I carry it around in my purse in the same pouch I carry my headphones in.
As far as the signature goes, the finger signature works fine... just turn it around and either give it to them, or put it on a flat surface and have them sign. I don't know if there's a "try again", but there probably is. It's a well developed piece of software, really slick. Looks like they thought of everything when they put it together. I haven't had anyone hesitate to use it. Now that Visa is in on it, I'm sure there won't be any problems.
I'm thinking of using it at my next yard sale. Should get all those looky-loos that "forgot to bring enough money".
What do you think will happen cause apple won the patent thing
The infuse is no longer for sale. They can't retroactively confiscate the devices people have already purchased, so the ruling will have no effect on the Infuse at all.
They'll go after future sales next. Then they'll go after the Android OS itself. I have always hated Apple products, too proprietary for me. One the bright side, it's not over. Samsung will appeal that Apple has abused the patent laws in order to monopolize the market, which is true.
I don't see flat screen TV or monitor law suits out there for "copying". Job's biggest feat was convincing brainless zombies that they needed what he was selling...which is junk.
I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
Jep56 said:
They'll go after future sales next. Then they'll go after the Android OS itself. I have always hated Apple products, too proprietary for me. One the bright side, it's not over. Samsung will appeal that Apple has abused the patent laws in order to monopolize the market, which is true.
I don't see flat screen TV or monitor law suits out there for "copying". Job's biggest feat was convincing brainless zombies that they needed what he was selling...which is junk.
I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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... and all the people said Amen.
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What do you think will happen cause apple won the patent thing
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It will be dragged out in court with appeals for awhile. Then one of the manufacturers will pay for patents so they can use whatever it is they have copied. I don't think much will change but i could be wrong.
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nothing will change on the consumer end, maybe prices will go up to cover royalties or whatnot, but in the end google will still make android available and companies will use it. on the plus side google owns motorolas patents.. and they are suing apple.!
Jep56 said:
They'll go after future sales next. Then they'll go after the Android OS itself. I have always hated Apple products, too proprietary for me. One the bright side, it's not over. Samsung will appeal that Apple has abused the patent laws in order to monopolize the market, which is true.
I don't see flat screen TV or monitor law suits out there for "copying". Job's biggest feat was convincing brainless zombies that they needed what he was selling...which is junk.
I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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Yeah apple is crap
I'm so lost on this topic
*becoming a flashaholic*
Yeah Google get crapple....
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Ruling doesn't mean anything for the infuse except they can no longer sale a phone in the US that is already not being sold.
Apple will probably never licence their technology to any android device purely because it is running android. They offered to licence their tech to samsung but at the price they wanted Samsung would make no money at all on the devices.
Apple's main enemy isn't the phone makes, it is Google. Google is just the boss fight while the phone manufacturers are the mini bosses that are blocking the way.
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I will go back to Balckberry or a Motorola flip phone before I ever buy Apple crap!
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You and me both brotha!!! Hell I'll rock my old HTC Tilt!!!!
http://www.aforadio.com/index.php/s...30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-aforadio-com/
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Goneeuro said:
http://www.aforadio.com/index.php/s...30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-aforadio-com/
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http://en.paperblog.com/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-294795/
it's a fake story. too bad though.
Goneeuro said:
http://www.aforadio.com/index.php/s...30-trucks-full-of-5-cents-coins-aforadio-com/
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That literally made me laugh!!!!
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Figured it was fake. Was funny though.
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Goneeuro said:
Figured it was fake. Was funny though.
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yeah i wanted to believe it but 30 trucks would barely be a down payment not to mention somebody would have noticed if they were to organized getting 20 billion coins together at the same time. people sometimes fail to realized how big a number that is.
i did a little math figuring the payload of a trailer would be exceeded long before the volume of the trailer in copper and found the mass of a nickel is 5 grams. makes the math pretty easy, the maximum legal load of a road going vehicle is 80,000 lbs which is roughly 36,000kg as you can see 100,000,000 is way more than 30 times the weight capacity of a truck and trailer. it would take well over 3000 loads of nickels after you subtract the weight of the truck and trailer from the total allowable weight. actually for a truck and trailer it's probably more like 4500 loads.
but if it were me and i could come up with a way to get a bunch of physical money together at once i would totally pay the first few million that way. but not in nickels or pennies. nickels contain a lot of copper and more importantly they contain a reasonable amount of nickel and are likely worth more than the face value. it would be a gold mine of scrap metal however illegal. pennies can be worth triple the face value if they are older from when they were made from copper and many of these pennies are still in regular circulation.
if i really wanted to pull a good prank i'd go for money that was likely to depreciate rapidly in relation to the american dollar and pay in papper bills, easier to ship than coins and has no value other than the face value, then see how long it takes them to deposit it all.
crash822 said:
Ruling doesn't mean anything for the infuse except they can no longer sale a phone in the US that is already not being sold.
Apple will probably never licence their technology to any android device purely because it is running android. They offered to licence their tech to samsung but at the price they wanted Samsung would make no money at all on the devices.
Apple's main enemy isn't the phone makes, it is Google. Google is just the boss fight while the phone manufacturers are the mini bosses that are blocking the way.
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Hahaha good analogy.
I did find out that car toys (local electronic store in wa) still offers the infuse for sale for free on contract. I was surprised.
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Dani897 said:
yeah i wanted to believe it but 30 trucks would barely be a down payment not to mention somebody would have noticed if they were to organized getting 20 billion coins together at the same time. people sometimes fail to realized how big a number that is.
i did a little math figuring the payload of a trailer would be exceeded long before the volume of the trailer in copper and found the mass of a nickel is 5 grams. makes the math pretty easy, the maximum legal load of a road going vehicle is 80,000 lbs which is roughly 36,000kg as you can see 100,000,000 is way more than 30 times the weight capacity of a truck and trailer. it would take well over 3000 loads of nickels after you subtract the weight of the truck and trailer from the total allowable weight. actually for a truck and trailer it's probably more like 4500 loads.
but if it were me and i could come up with a way to get a bunch of physical money together at once i would totally pay the first few million that way. but not in nickels or pennies. nickels contain a lot of copper and more importantly they contain a reasonable amount of nickel and are likely worth more than the face value. it would be a gold mine of scrap metal however illegal. pennies can be worth triple the face value if they are older from when they were made from copper and many of these pennies are still in regular circulation.
if i really wanted to pull a good prank i'd go for money that was likely to depreciate rapidly in relation to the american dollar and pay in papper bills, easier to ship than coins and has no value other than the face value, then see how long it takes them to deposit it all.
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WOW!!!!
Apple... :banghead:
Do you think Apple should be able to patent a natural gesture, such as pinch to zoom and swiping across a home screen? That's ridiculous. And what the hell is with the millions owed over using similar icons? YOU CAN'T PATENT AN ICON WITH A MUSIC NOTE, APPLE.
Rage is over
the thing that gets me is that apple and ms stole the gui with pointer navigation and mouse control from xerox. not to mention all the prior existing art in sci-fi movies of touch interfaces and two point navigation of images (though in movies it's often 3d holograms that use two point manipulation). every artist and engineer with an imagination knew we would get to a point with touch integration and intuitive controls for 30+ years, tablets were in 2001 Space Odyssey in the 1960's, they were in star trek tng with a remarkable resemblance to a nook or ipad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqHoGKQXLI tablets with stylus navigation looking similar to a very large palm pilot were used in the original series for the captains log, they were called electronic clipboards. and in tng were called a personal acess display device aka a "PADD" (coincidence?) and countless other examples in b movies not to mention microsoft introduced a tablet prototype in the year 2001 that aside from performance had just about all the ideas we see today. it's only natural for people to want to interact with computers like they interact with the world and for developers to want to create these things, the ideas are actually pretty old but the processing power wasn't afordable and battery friendly for a long time. i can remember having conversations with my brother as teenagers about the ideas of two point scaling and touch screens which is all the "pinch" is but touch screens were super expensive back then and i have no idea if they even supported multi touch. anyone who's ever thought about geometry or perspective could conceptualize it, how can someone patent that? samsung just had a week defense team because apple and microsoft beat cases like this pretty regularly, only they usually buy the other company to posses the patents, it's much easier (also google likely bought motorola for this reason, to not only posses patents to licence with the os but to sue apple for infringement resulting in licenses being issued to level the playing field). apple brought ideas to the mass market in the iphone sure but they didn't conceptualize it first and i'm certain they weren't the first to program it successfully either, it's not exactly theoretical physics we're talking about. apple is defending against it's own tactics which are taking good ideas that are already out there in the technology world and bringing them to the public. meanwhile they refuse to pay royalties for all the technologies they use. they think they should be able to pay less or nothing at all for using others patents based on their popularity.
i think it was quoted that apple was asking samsung for $40 per device to pay for licensing and samsung was ask $16 for the patents they hold. apple said they don't pay $16 to any company like it's an entitlement for them to pay less even though it is considered a fair price in the market. then they ask the unfair price of $40 based on the idea that the masses of ill informed consumers could mistake anything with a touch screen for an apple product? wtf apple! and in all of this they still rely on samsung hardware to keep up with the market. rumor is the i5 will have an exynos processor or an apple branded processor based on exynos 32 nm dies. so obviously they know samsung makes superior arm based processors.
edit: as far as the interface similarities go, well i dont see a problem with side by side pages, it's the same gesture you use when you read a book. the icon style and mms do look kinda iphone like but the idea that consumers saw that and bought the samsung is stupid. apple claims they lost $2.4 billion or something to galaxy s sales because of the alegidely infringed artwork is absurd. they lost sale to android because android is awesome. so many sales went to the sgs series becasue it had a good feel and it was the fastest device on the market, it was far from perfect but the touch screen was responsive and the glass was hard and smooth. if anything the of software changes samsung implimented to android the things that sold weren't the art it was the convieniences, the mms application is better integrate with contacts, you select contacts not type them, you slide for call/mms rather than go through another layer of menu. i know for me i bought an iphone 3g knowing about the g1 already only because i didn't have cash to buy a phone off contract, i wanted a smart phone that wasn't an iphone specifically an android but no suitable alternative was available on att! how can you put a figure on lost revenue when you can't know why people made x or y decision? it's not like the galaxy s was a cheaper alternative to where people said i want an iphone but this makes more sense. the captivate launched at $300 on contract though it quickly dropped to $200. how many galaxy s sale were because using the phone insired them to move up from a feature phone? how many people legitimately wanted an iphone but couldn't get one because apple refused to cater to t-mobile and sprint for so long? how many peowould actually say the sgs woudn't have been atractive if it weren't for the icons? how many people had iphones and got fed up with the control of the market, tethering, lack of bluetooth other than audio (what was with that? feature phones had better bt integration than ios2) slow network speeds, no mms, and countless other gripes of ios compared to the lesser known competition? the truth is apple in there hubris made the iphone too elite and too limited in features for most of the market and they have poluted their own minds to think they deserve the sales of the competition. it's actually insane to put a dollar value on sales they lost mostly based on what they failed to provide to people.
I saw this this morning, thought others might find it useful:
http://androidandme.com/2014/01/new...itkat-update-disables-third-party-accessories
It has begun. The beginning of the end is near!
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That is 13/Jan/2014 news - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608702
Fixed here for root user - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2620399
I'd give it a few thoughts before you panic and start screaming about skynet and whatnot.
Everyone who complains about this is using the Polish ROM. Everyone also knows Poland houses and is Samsung's testcenter. There's a good chance this is just another one of those 'big update' bugs (like the ones that broke 4.3 on most devices.)
Wait for the western versions to come out, first.
ShadowLea said:
I'd give it a few thoughts before you panic and start screaming about skynet and whatnot.
Everyone who complains about this is using the Polish ROM. Everyone also knows Poland houses and is Samsung's testcenter. There's a good chance this is just another one of those 'big update' bugs (like the ones that broke 4.3 on most devices.)
Wait for the western versions to come out, first.
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Russia already out for N900, it feature same blocking it.
Also if you can read chinese, China gfan forum user mention this feature also get implement in their latest 4.3 ROM.
Akia Azriel said:
It has begun. The beginning of the end is near!
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Too bad Samsung can get away with their locking down tactics when they keep winning Android by default because everyone else keeps failing in terms of device updates, display quality (cough Sony cough ), SD card and removable battery and size.
Regarding to Knox and blocking 3rd Party parts i will think twice before i buy my next gen Samsung Device.
I can unterstand This tactic from Samsung When IT is about charging Devices but not This.
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Anyone who has bought SPIGEN Slim armour view case, here is a simple tip to get it working even after the kitkat update.
Just replace the Chip in the back cover from official samsung sview cover with the one is SPIGEN S-View cover and voila. I actually got this idea from one of our friend from the below forum. Sorry i just don't remember his name.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458403
Update:
This guys name is DiamondCorp
Not defending Samsung but I can see the other side of this. People buy cheap $1 flip covers made in China and then use them with their N3 and crappy magnets or the placement of them cause the screen to go nuts. What to they do? Call Samsung customer support and complain there's something wrong with the display on their N3; possibly even sending it in for repair. I'm not positive but I think Samsung has a "Certified" program available to third parties that, for a fee, get their accessories "approved." Assuming they do, a company like Spiegen should cough up the extra bucks and they wouldn't have any issues.
BarryH_GEG said:
Not defending Samsung but I can see the other side of this. People buy cheap $1 flip covers made in China and then use them with their N3 and crappy magnets or the placement of them cause the screen to go nuts. What to they do? Call Samsung customer support and complain there's something wrong with the display on their N3; possibly even sending it in for repair. I'm not positive but I think Samsung has a "Certified" program available to third parties that, for a fee, get their accessories "approved." Assuming they do, a company like Spiegen should cough up the extra bucks and they wouldn't have any issues.
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After suffering a Terrible support from spigen I totally agree with you bro.
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Well the IC Chips are needed from the beginning, reputable companies like Spigen could have used the appropriate chips from the beginning or got some sort of certification instead of cheaping out.
Skander1998 said:
Well the IC Chips are needed from the beginning, reputable companies like Spigen could have used the appropriate chips from the beginning or got some sort of certification instead of cheaping out.
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Not using the IC chips is NOT "cheaping out". It's choosing the open-source version of hardware. Just because apple went down this road and made their entire architecture closed to outside accessory developers unless you paid for "certification" status, is not something that should be emulated by any means. The whole idea that any hardware manufacturer can make accessories and they will work is what the whole open-standard is about.
This may be only my opinion, but this is ONE of the numerous reasons I don't use apple products, because their draconian practices in hardware and software hegemony.
sanjsrik said:
Not using the IC chips is NOT "cheaping out". It's choosing the open-source version of hardware. Just because apple went down this road and made their entire architecture closed to outside accessory developers unless you paid for "certification" status, is not something that should be emulated by any means. The whole idea that any hardware manufacturer can make accessories and they will work is what the whole open-standard is about.
This may be only my opinion, but this is ONE of the numerous reasons I don't use apple products, because their draconian practices in hardware and software hegemony.
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Well the chip is used to determine the color, size of the window (big/medium/none) - and they only did this to cases because they needed it for their own cases, the phone requires the chip to know it's an sview cover with the big window in the beginning, Spigen and other companies just used cheap clone chips that only reported the "brand", that worked until samsung made it look for the other variables.
Please use the existing KitKat thread. Thanks.
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