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We are idiots, not HTC!

Do you think when you buy a porsche or a ferrari and you can not drive because the wheel fell of or the windshield blew off in the middle of nowhere the factory tells you: oh sorry this a new model, you keep testing it and maybe if we get enough complaints we will fix it. NO!
When you pay top dollar you get a device that works out of the box,period.
HTC is using us as their testers, but makes us pay a 1000$ for it and lose our time perfecting a half-product they placed on the market before it should be released, plus the customer service treats us as idiots and lies directly : oh we got a lot of good feedback...(yeah right like I was going to call them to say how good a device is), or we dont know anything about a gps lag....f*uck you sit in the car a take a drive idiot!!
The last time I bought HTC!
Getting a nokia. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

So, what you're saying is HTC is just like Windows? ;-)

i agree htc brings out to many high tech phones.with a very high price tag.but there are always major bugs.no kinda of exception for a $900 usd phone that all of sudden does't have 3g.
now most us owners lost a good $300 of the price in less than a month because it doesn't support 3g.htc doesn't even say there working on a new radio.
i know apple brings out a new product every 90 days,at least they listen and stay with product updates.

zex11 said:
Do you think when you buy a porsche or a ferrari and you can not drive because the wheel fell of or the windshield blew off in the middle of nowhere the factory tells you: oh sorry this a new model, you keep testing it and maybe if we get enough complaints we will fix it. NO!
When you pay top dollar you get a device that works out of the box,period.
HTC is using us as their testers, but makes us pay a 1000$ for it and lose our time perfecting a half-product they placed on the market before it should be released, plus the customer service treats us as idiots and lies directly : oh we got a lot of good feedback...(yeah right like I was going to call them to say how good a device is), or we dont know anything about a gps lag....f*uck you sit in the car a take a drive idiot!!
The last time I bought HTC!
Getting a nokia. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Oh come on. Everyone knows that if you are an early adopter, things never work quite as they ought to. Happens with every major tech release. It shouldn't but it does.
The reality is that the majority of features on the TP work just fine and fortunately thanks to the geniuses on this forum, the GPS lag has been all but eliminated. No doubt at some point (provided we press HTC), a fix will be released.
So when you get your Nokia, you should look forward to a whole different set of problems - no platform is even close to perfect.

iboogey99 said:
i agree htc brings out to many high tech phones.with a very high price tag.but there are always major bugs.no kinda of exception for a $900 usd phone that all of sudden does't have 3g.
now most us owners lost a good $300 of the price in less than a month because it doesn't support 3g.htc doesn't even say there working on a new radio.
i know apple brings out a new product every 90 days,at least they listen and stay with product updates.
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This post I really can't agree with, when they released it they never intended it for North American sale, and you knew that when you bought it. Did you read the part in the specs where it said UMTS 900/2100? If you did, you should've said "hey, this doesn't work with 3G on AT&T... I'm not going to buy it." Why don't we blame Toyota for their Corolla not running on diesel? Oh yeah, because it was never meant to.

When I got my N95, the battery life was terrible, it kept running out of memory and i had to use hacks to bypass their silly protection and install unsigned apps. I also had to use nemesis suite to hack the device and change the product code to prevent it from loosing Greek when I used Nokia's updater to upgrade the firmware, which cannot be downgraded and now, newer devices and latest firmwares cannot be hacked yet, so if you do buy one you won't be able to install unsigned apps.
At least with HTCs we have this magnificent community to create custom ROMs and rectify most problems. Just my .2 cents

Hands down...best $1100 I've spent in a long time. I knew going into it that I wouldn't have 3G here in the US. The advantages I have over my T-Mobile Wing (US HTC Phone) is countless. I have minimal glitches, but with all phones that do more than make calls, it is to be expected. I'll be a beta tester anytime for HTC!

i totally agree with the OP,in other hand if the devices were perfect we would not have XDA devs
what 1 must realize in todays competitive markets things get rushed out the door to make a buck ,hence why all devices will be never out of beta stage. there is 2 solutions for the problem; 1- stop buying new devices .2- learn to live with it.

well the thing is that HTC doesent even want to realize that their devices have flaws. And all the flaws are software related. In other words fixable. just look at the TyTn2 and the driver issues there. There still is no fix from HTC. And people here on the forum had to use drivers from the Diamond to fix it. HTC just keeps on making excuses like the HTC Pro was never ment to be a multimedia device when support is confronted with the fact that the TP plays video poorer that the Diamond. I know that the pro istn a multimedia device. But i expect that the hardware that i have paid alot of money for actually does what its supposed to. Why on earth shouldnt it? I love my TP, but HTC should reallt take care of their reputation..

faria said:
i totally agree with the OP,in other hand if the devices were perfect we would not have XDA devs
what 1 must realize in todays competitive markets things get rushed out the door to make a buck ,hence why all devices will be never out of beta stage. there is 2 solutions for the problem; 1- stop buying new devices .2- learn to live with it.
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ey man nice to see you again here...
take care and hope everything will be nice for you and yours....
Cheers

I've been developing software for mobile devices for five years, and worked with hundreds of models of handset from Europe and North America. I'd rate HTC devices as "above average" in terms of quality. Nokia are neither better nor worse. Get the first Nokia models of a new series, you're in for some "fun".
I have a Nokia. The MP3 player causes the phone to reboot randomly. If I cross timezones, then when I get home, some birthdays in the calendar have moved to the wrong day. Sometimes, it suddenly stops working, saying that the "SIM Locked", and I can't make or receive calls until I reboot it. It's Orange branded, so the Nokia firmware update tool won't support it. Other than that, it works a treat...
I could give you a similar list of problems with other Nokia models, or Sony Ericssons, or Motorolas... and I wouldn't even consider a Samsung, NEC or LG.

And I suspect that anyone buying a Ferrari for the reliability will be sorely disappointed.

Kevven said:
well the thing is that HTC doesent even want to realize that their devices have flaws. And all the flaws are software related. In other words fixable. just look at the TyTn2 and the driver issues there. There still is no fix from HTC. And people here on the forum had to use drivers from the Diamond to fix it. HTC just keeps on making excuses like the HTC Pro was never ment to be a multimedia device when support is confronted with the fact that the TP plays video poorer that the Diamond. I know that the pro istn a multimedia device. But i expect that the hardware that i have paid alot of money for actually does what its supposed to. Why on earth shouldnt it? I love my TP, but HTC should reallt take care of their reputation..
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and they will never fix that issue because their attention is in the new devices...sad but true.
@jcespi2005
thanks! and the same to you and yours.nice to see you here

It seems to me that what's getting under your skin the most is that customer service is saying their aren't serious problems, and that the phone is primarily working as intended.
Well, thats their job. Have you not ever seen a CSC in person at a corporate office? It's a bunch of highschool grads who don't know anything about anything that just talk nice, create a ticket in whatever helpdesk software they are using, and forward it or close it.
Just call in, politely state your problem, and if they get enough calls logged, development takes notice and things get fixed.
I think what you need more than an $1100 phone, is a $20.00 script for Xanax. Best of luck with Nokia though.

Mobile phone manufacturer in 'not everything works properly' shocker.
Our brand new Audi had a digital display that was on the blink from the moment we bought it. And sometimes the front windows would lower themselves 6 inches after you'd locked the car and walked away. Lots of other owners had the same thing. Think Audi fixed it? Fixed any of them? The replacement Porsche (I'm not showing off here by the way) has an lumpy idle, unreliable horn and the steering pulls harshly to the left. Fixes from Porsche? As if.
In common with a previous poster, my experience with Nokias was far more frustrating than with HTC. And if you want diabolical, allow me a few hours to relate my experience of being the fairly happy owner of a Sony Ericsson P800 even happier with the P900 and then to be floored by the abomination that was the P910. Never never again.
Yes mobile phone manufacturers are guilty of getting things wrong, but in that knowlege, I'm just happy I own an HTC and know about this forum.

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I'm just happy I own an HTC and know about this forum.
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I second that statement!

rb14 said:
Mobile phone manufacturer in 'not everything works properly' shocker.
Our brand new Audi had a digital display that was on the blink from the moment we bought it. And sometimes the front windows would lower themselves 6 inches after you'd locked the car and walked away. Lots of other owners had the same thing. Think Audi fixed it? Fixed any of them? The replacement Porsche (I'm not showing off here by the way) has an lumpy idle, unreliable horn and the steering pulls harshly to the left. Fixes from Porsche? As if.
In common with a previous poster, my experience with Nokias was far more frustrating than with HTC. And if you want diabolical, allow me a few hours to relate my experience of being the fairly happy owner of a Sony Ericsson P800 even happier with the P900 and then to be floored by the abomination that was the P910. Never never again.
Yes mobile phone manufacturers are guilty of getting things wrong, but in that knowlege, I'm just happy I own an HTC and know about this forum.
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Amen to that brother. While I may not own the Touch Pro, Fuze, or whatever the hell you feel like calling it, I know for me personally, HTC has put out some of the best phones I've ever used. I remember way back when, I was in love the Moto Razr (ew, I know) but then I laid eyes on the good ol' boy that was the Cingular 8125 aka the Wizard. I've been hooked on HTC ever since. Lets face it, if you try to go back to a cheesy ass LG or Samsung phone, you're going to be disappointed as all hell. They just don't compare to the customizable nature of the WinMo HTC devices. Granted pretty much all of HTC phones have had (and still have) their share of issues, but lets get real here, they are simply the ****. I've had my 8525 since its release and there's no way I'd switch to the X1 for example. SE?? Would you rather have a WinMo rookie in SE or the season veteran that is HTC? I don't know about you guys, but I like experience.

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I don't know about you guys, but I like experience.
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experience in what? deploying bugs?
@zex11 I agree with you.. but we don't have so many alternatives in WM area.
and nokia is not the solution..

Theutus said:
I think what you need more than an $1100 phone, is a $20.00 script for Xanax. Best of luck with Nokia though.
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Put this in my sig, legendary. haha

Hopefully when Microsoft gets off their lazy asses and overhauls the OS, it will be easier for the manufactures to make a reliable device.

Looking for PDA

Basically I am looking to buy a PDA or smartphone or something. Hope this is the right place to ask. I will NOT be using it to place calls so carrier does not matter. Only will be used as a hobby device for modding and using WIFI internet on the road when I do not bring my laptop.
I was hoping that prices would be down on PDAs since many people are basically using an all in one phone that takes the place of a PDA.
I am hoping for it to be about $100 or less. I have seen some on eBay that look like they would work. EX: HTC Dash
What I would like it to have is:
Windows Mobile 5 at least, preferably 6.
WIFI-ready
GPS
Java. So I can add java games and apps.
Also, if I get this HTC Dash Tmobile it comes with WinMobile 5 but I have read you can flash a new rom on Dash 3g to 6 or 6.5. Has anyone done it with Dash?
What is the best device with a good community behind it?
Does the type of device I get limit my ability to run certain programs? Like by resolution or if I get a touch screen vs physical keyboard.
Does a Smartphone have any benefit over a PDA besides being able to make calls?
Would a smartphone be locked down by the carrier in the case of the Tmobile phone?
Any help would be appreciated. I am trying to get the most for my money but it is a unique situation since I do not need to make phone calls.

Hi & welcome,
The s620 is a good choice for $100 should be easy to find as in the UK they go for about £100.
Lots of modding can be done Excalibur forum 6.1 & 6.5 available.
Regards carrier they will be locked down unless stated by seller unlocked, in the forum noted STICKY there are 2 x unlocking services available that are cheap and reliable.
The Marketplace has a couple of s620's available.
Smartphones are more limited by software but is still a big choice available
There rock solid devices and work very well for cheap layout.
Hope that helps.

Yes that is very informative.
The Excalibur/Dash is the same phone, just rebranded for TMobile?
Also, if I get a locked phone can I use this in the forums "SDA_ApplicationUnlock.zip" to install WM6.5 Roms and basically any app that will work with an Excalibur? Or would I be better off finding an unlocked phone from the start.
Thanks for the help. I am just getting started with smartphones

Excalibur/Dash same just like you say different names due to carriers.
When i said locked meant as SIM, with regards flashing a new ROM some phones are just very much a plug in and flash and others will need SP_AllowCertificateInstall & SDA_ApplicationUnlock info here
Take a look through the STICKY as will give you an idea of what can be done
Happy to help.
Edit: Forgot to say when looking to purchase make sure the model has Wi-Fi, as there are a few models that don't.

Thanks alot for all the help.
Now I better understand what locking means in regards to the SIM card use.
But for me since I am not going to use the phone part. A locked vs unlocked phone should not affect me either way. Am I right?

^Right, U don't need it for WiFi use only...

Great. I think that is all I need for now until I buy something.
Thanks again

I think a HTC Touch is more of what I would like because it has the touchscreen, so it seems easier to use.
A new problem I have found is that some phones say they have GPS but it is not true GPS with a chip in the phone, but gets location from cell towers.
What is the best way to lookup if a phone has true GPS so I can use it without cell service? Where it gets my location from satellites.
Would looking on the htcwiki tell me what kind of GPS a device has?

bigzdog said:
I think a HTC Touch is more of what I would like because it has the touchscreen, so it seems easier to use.
A new problem I have found is that some phones say they have GPS but it is not true GPS with a chip in the phone, but gets location from cell towers.
What is the best way to lookup if a phone has true GPS so I can use it without cell service? Where it gets my location from satellites.
Would looking on the htcwiki tell me what kind of GPS a device has?
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Gonna be outa the $100 but best way is Device Database

stylez said:
Gonna be outa the $100
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Why do you say that because I have not bought anything yet?
Or do you think it is not going to be worth the money for what I want to do?
I really appreciate the help because like I said, I don't really know what I need. Just what I want it to do.
PDAdb is very useful. Shows that the CDMA of touch version of the touch does not have wifi or GPS.

bigzdog said:
Why do you say that because I have not bought anything yet?
Or do you think it is not going to be worth the money for what I want to do?
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Touch\Elf is a PPC so generally higher price, pretty much same spec as Excalibur but with Touchscreen, will give you more choice on software as the market bigger on PPC, yeah i was just being comparative on the $100 mark not spec
Take a good look around the forum see what kinda device you like and check the specs out on pdadb.net

I'm sorry about all these questions but I am a little confused now about the Titan/Mogul/XV6800 GPS and aGPS.
On the XDADeveloperWIKI says aGPS requires a data connection but..
a GPSOne whitepaper tells that the MSM7500 chip in the xv6800 supports standalone GPS so it would work for me since I would not have any service or coverage.
Also what I understand that I would need to flash a new rom for the GPS to work, but I still don't know if I need a data plan after the flash.

[Q] FM Radio

Has nexus s an FM radio built-in?

I've read no.

it's probably like the nexus one where it's there, but not activated, FM radio just got added to the nexus one but according to google or any spec list, it's not there.

neok44 said:
it's probably like the nexus one where it's there, but not activated, FM radio just got added to the nexus one but according to google or any spec list, it's not there.
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If so, it will be available on cooked rom only (perhaps, devs should port some code from other samusung's device roms), isn't it?

MIUI made an FM Radio working on roms without having to port it I think(cyanogen even uses the MIUI one!). So I presume it's gonna work on Nexus S..
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

EleCtrOx666 said:
MIUI made an FM Radio working on roms without having to port it I think(cyanogen even uses the MIUI one!). So I presume it's gonna work on Nexus S..
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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yeah it's some weird combo of a wired headset and bluetooth that gets FM radio somehow.

They recently changed the BT/Wifi antenna so it may no longer be an all in one chip (BCM4329) like everyone other phone around.
Until some spec sheets or a teardown happens it's hard to say.

Has anyone been able to confirm or refute this yet?

Iheartradio and tune in radio has a lot of internet streaming commercial radio stations. They also have the feeds for hd radio too.

MIUI developers has recently announced on tweeter the fm radio on nexus s.

walker7373 said:
miui developers has recently announced on tweeter the fm radio on nexus s.
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where is it/?

seems that not possible to make it in Nexus S, which has been confirmed.

[Q] [DEV] FM Radio App - Dev on Desire or Desire HD -2

MODS: This is a copy of a post that M_T_M now agrees was incorrectly moved out of this dev forum. I'm a dev wanting to ask other devs which phone I should buy to continue development of my app.
My main question is should I buy an HTC Desire or Desire HD for further development of my app ?
I've developed a "Real" FM Radio app with RDS features and some other enhancements relative to the MIUI and CM apps. It's derived from the Code Aurora FM app that MIUI and CM are derived from.
At present, it's been tested well on HTC Legend, and also works on HTC Click and may work on other TI WL125x/127x FM/BT/Wifi chips.
I added some "experimental" support for the more popular Broadcom FM etc chips, but only the 4 simple functions in the CM app: namely On, Off, Tune and Volume/mute.
I'm about to buy a Broadcom based device, perhaps on Tuesday. The Desire and Desire HD look like my best choices. I considered a Desire Z but get a bad vibe on that from some quick reading.
If I was just buying for personal use, I'd likely get an HD for $500 Canadian new from Telus. The lesser Desire at $450 doesn't seem like a good deal, but there might be some reasons why it would be easier/better to develop on the Desire. I might be able to get a Desire used for $300 or so, but I think I'd be better off just getting a new phone.
AFAICT, the important issues to me are that both phones are supported with stock FM apps from HTC, and both support the MIUI ROMs with their FM app (?) and both support CM with their FM app. These things will make my task easier, especially given that I will likely have to do reverse engineering (again!) to get stuff like RDS working.
Also, the effort required to root/install new ROMs is an issue.

I would love to see RDS and Auto Tune in the FM app on the desire. that would be wonderfull since my finger hurts from going thru all the freq's 1Mhz at a time.

mikereidis said:
MODS: This is a copy of a post that M_T_M now agrees was incorrectly moved out of this dev forum. I'm a dev wanting to ask other devs which phone I should buy to continue development of my app.
My main question is should I buy an HTC Desire or Desire HD for further development of my app ?
I've developed a "Real" FM Radio app with RDS features and some other enhancements relative to the MIUI and CM apps. It's derived from the Code Aurora FM app that MIUI and CM are derived from.
At present, it's been tested well on HTC Legend, and also works on HTC Click and may work on other TI WL125x/127x FM/BT/Wifi chips.
I added some "experimental" support for the more popular Broadcom FM etc chips, but only the 4 simple functions in the CM app: namely On, Off, Tune and Volume/mute.
I'm about to buy a Broadcom based device, perhaps on Tuesday. The Desire and Desire HD look like my best choices. I considered a Desire Z but get a bad vibe on that from some quick reading.
If I was just buying for personal use, I'd likely get an HD for $500 Canadian new from Telus. The lesser Desire at $450 doesn't seem like a good deal, but there might be some reasons why it would be easier/better to develop on the Desire. I might be able to get a Desire used for $300 or so, but I think I'd be better off just getting a new phone.
AFAICT, the important issues to me are that both phones are supported with stock FM apps from HTC, and both support the MIUI ROMs with their FM app (?) and both support CM with their FM app. These things will make my task easier, especially given that I will likely have to do reverse engineering (again!) to get stuff like RDS working.
Also, the effort required to root/install new ROMs is an issue.
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I heard that Desire HD was a flop, particularly because of the poor battery life.
It has 4.3 inches (big) screen and battery is merely 1350 mAh, too tittle to survive half a day.
If you read reviews on internet, you'll find that many reviewers consider HTC Desire the best smartphone of 2010.
My vote goes to HTC Desire.

desire all the way, although the HD is nice, as has already been stated the battery life is rubbish, however with a bit of fettling the desires battery can be made to last 2 days(as much as i used to get from my BB bold 9700) which is awesome for a smartphone.

Well.. Desire is far better and their are more numbers of DEVs and viewers on Desire Forum than DHD..
And FM Radio and 720p recording is not working on MIUI ROM as of now.
I would love to have both on my Deisre MIUI ROM.

Oh, wow. Thanks for all the replies. And I'm a bit surprised with the answer of older Desire. Is there any bias asking on a Desire forum ? LOL.
Regardless, there's clearly more people here and more info. I checked previously and saw many more posts here than for Desire HD. But that might be expected given the HD is newer, and perhaps a bit more expensive.
I liked the bigger screen size, and if only for development, battery life isn't an issue when plugged into my dev PC most of the time.
Anyway, I still haven't bought it yet, but you've definitely steered me towards the older Desire. Presumably, anything that runs on Desire should also run on Desire HD and some 8 or so other phones supported by CM at least.
As for RDS data, give me 2 weeks or so. The definitions in the MIUI source code are the only info I have on the Broadcom FM, but the command set seems so similar to the TI command set, and the I2C/HCI interface is simple enough that I feel confident in being able to reverse-engineer the RDS etc API without too much trouble.

hope u can manage the fm. i too am looking for fm in miui rom.

One thread per device forum is enough. Please refer to the one in Themes & Apps. Not sure about MTM agreeing it's dev related...I'm almost wanting to put it in Q&A as you are merely asking a question, but I'll leave it in the apps forum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1048623

Glonass GPS available in Sensation

It seems that the sensation already has functionality for the newly released Glonass satellites. According to a Dutch website the Qualcomm S2 and S3 chips already have support built in. Thus the phones already having support are HTC Desire HD, Incredible S and all Sony Ericsson Xperia phones from 2011, as well as recent BlackBerry's like the Bold 9900 and Torch 9860. Most importantly so do the HTC Sensation series and Evo 3D.
The Russian GPS alternative can only be used in conjunction with GPS
Manufacturers and operators must however enable Glonass. On which phones this already happened and how that will happen with updates is unclear.
What benefit can we get from this thinking about gps lock an accuracy since it's already in our sensation but probably not activated yet.
Here is a movie from Qualcomm explaining about Glonass and smartphones with their chipset.
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and a link to the site (it's in Dutch)

This is interesting, certainly, but even if the functionality is "available" in a chipset it's not necessarily usable. It probably requires a different antenna design or something, similar to how you need a different antenna for LTE and GSM because they're on different frequencies.

I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?

Usually if something's disabled on a hardware level it requires more than just clever rom hackers to enable it, and even then it's not perfect. HTC would need to release official drivers or something.

xdviper said:
I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?
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Haha, I just read your tweet. I don't think HTC will go out of their way to enable it, but we'll see.
Here's a link to Qualcomm enabling GLONASS in English.
http://androidandme.com/2011/12/news/qualcomm-enables-dual-core-location-on-snapdragon-phones/
http://www.qualcomm.com/blog/2011/12/15/gps-and-glonass-dual-core-location-your-phone
The official Qualcomm article on it says that the T-Mobile S2 has it enabled, maybe we can port their drivers to our phone?

qualcomm made best gps chpisets in mobile phone and im happy i have perfect position accuracy thanks qualcomm (my friend with sgs2 have poor accuracy and must wait every time few minutes to lock gps - with turned off data)

Any news on this? I bought an XE a couple of weeks back and I was just reading about GLONASS, ending up in this thread...

Rubman said:
It seems that the sensation already has functionality for the newly released Glonass satellites. According to a Dutch website the Qualcomm S2 and S3 chips already have support built in. Thus the phones already having support are HTC Desire HD, Incredible S and all Sony Ericsson Xperia phones from 2011, as well as recent BlackBerry's like the Bold 9900 and Torch 9860. Most importantly so do the HTC Sensation series and Evo 3D.
The Russian GPS alternative can only be used in conjunction with GPS
Manufacturers and operators must however enable Glonass. On which phones this already happened and how that will happen with updates is unclear.
What benefit can we get from this thinking about gps lock an accuracy since it's already in our sensation but probably not activated yet.
Here is a movie from Qualcomm explaining about Glonass and smartphones with their chipset.
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I've contacted @SnapDragon on Twitter, and they've said that it's indeed on our phones but it all depends on HTC on unlocking it for us to use. I'm guessing it's all in the radio, Devs gotta look it up and hopefully enable it?
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Usually if something's disabled on a hardware level it requires more than just clever rom hackers to enable it, and even then it's not perfect. HTC would need to release official drivers or something.
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Great find Rubman. This is rather interesting.
I do hope HTC and our community can figure this out quickly!
GLONASS is very cool, the name alone is kickass. I love seeing new technology come out every day.

Sony Ericsson is gonna enable GLONASS on a bunch of of Xperia phones
Samsung is gonna do the same for the Galaxy Note. Hopefully HTC will wake up and join the trend...
//lys

This maybe due to the fact, that Russia is planning on forcing a increased tax on navstar GPS devices which are not capable of using GLONASS GPS:
To improve development of the user segment, on August 11, 2010, Sergei Ivanov announced a plan to introduce a 25% import duty on all GPS-capable devices, including mobile phones, unless they are compatible with GLONASS. As well, the government is planning to force all car manufacturers in Russia to make cars with GLONASS starting from 2011. This will affect all car makers, including foreign brands like Ford and Toyota, which have car assembly facilities in Russia.
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via "Сотовые и навигаторы без ГЛОНАСС обложат пошлиной в 25% [Non-GLONASS-capable mobiles and satnavs will incur 25% duty]" (in Russian). RBC. 2010-10-27. Retrieved 2010-10-27.
(Coppied that section from Wikipedia, would provide the source link, but don't have enough posts yet.)
The company I work for includes GLONASS GPS receivers in their devices (no phones) for this reason.

GPS is super accurate on my sensation, and Lock is within a few seconds. Way better than my n1 . Why would I want to further drain my phone? It would be cool as a hack, but nothing more to me.

mrbkkt1 said:
GPS is super accurate on my sensation, and Lock is within a few seconds. Way better than my n1 . Why would I want to further drain my phone? It would be cool as a hack, but nothing more to me.
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GPS reception had improved significantly from my Diamond HD to my Desire HD and then took another leap forward when I got me my Sensation XE (and my wife's Wildfire S, for that matter!). Much faster locking and quite accurate. Even locks from within the appartment!
That said, there are times where it shows some deficiencies, especially when I'm stopped. GLONASS is supposed to offer much higher accuracy - and let's face it, more is better
Who knows, maybe you can disable GPS and switch to GLONASS altogether...?

Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).

omar302 said:
Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).
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HD2? Better? Aw, come on, maybe if you live on a satellite

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HD2? Better? Aw, come on, maybe if you live on a satellite
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Yes, also my good old HD (without 2 ) has a better GPS reception than my Sensation now. Sees on average 1-2 satellites more and the satellites it sees have on average a 10% better S/N.
So indeed, it would be highly appreciated from my side to also have GLONASS support on the Sensation. And as GLONASS is only "turned on" when GPS reception is poor, this would not mean too much additional battery drain...
As it seems that HTC will be forced to support GLONASS by the Russian government, I hope that it will only be a matter of time before this comes true...
The Whistler

+1 about HTC and Russia.
Who knows, maybe it was just me, with all my WinMo devices the experience sucked pretty often, with total blackouts. Even my wife's Wildfire S is able to lock in a couple of seconds and without having to hold it against a window as was the case with my older devices. Maybe it's geography-related? I'm in Greece...

krakout said:
+1 about HTC and Russia.
Who knows, maybe it was just me, with all my WinMo devices the experience sucked pretty often, with total blackouts. Even my wife's Wildfire S is able to lock in a couple of seconds and without having to hold it against a window as was the case with my older devices. Maybe it's geography-related? I'm in Greece...
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Based on your experience, I would say its "aGPS" related. As in "assisted GPS that is supposed to be enabled/featured by your operator. As I remeber, Windows Mobile never had "aGPS", so it would make sense that you Android devices are taking advantage of aGPS compared to the WM devices.
Try this, remove SIM cards & turn off wifi to make sure aGPS is not used, then try to get a cold lock.

WinMo did have aGPS. I remember actually downloading and updating the ephemeris manually in desperation to try and get something to show up...
Nice idea, just tried it; got 9 satelites within 4 seconds!

hi. nothing new about sensation and glonass?

omar302 said:
Although the Sensation id better than the Desire S & Desire HD. The HD2 is still WAY BETTER than the Sensation, even with all the GPS tweaks, the HD2 running old Windows Mobile can get a lock in a few seconds even if GPS has not been running for weeks, even without a SIM card & without wifi (no aGPS).
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The Hd2 GPS really is phenomenal. I pulled out my old hd2 the other day. Or hasn't been powered up since October, and GPS locked within seconds. (And I was inside)I was thinking there was something wrong with my sensation, but now that I see this it makes me feel better. Hd2 just had awesome gps.
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