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Ok now that that apple Ipad 3 is out.....I really want to know...

2048 x 1536 pixels
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That is the MAX VGA resolution is it not? Am I the only one who is seeing this or is this just a quirky thing....
I really don't believe that the thing has that insane high resolution...something just irks me about the thing.
How the "hell" does that mobile gpu handle the resolution without lagging up a ****storm.......I want to know.....I don't however want that its powered by fairy dust
I mean the device only has 1gb of ram........where does it get its video memory? that res would eat up memory like craxy

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Its hella strange.
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I held both the iPad 2 and 3 in my hands today. When browsing the Internet the difference is minimal (more stuff on page) but it does help when reading text book/email as you get to see more at better clarity.
Overall not such a big deal and Android tablets will get this res soon enough.

devilsrogue said:
2048 x 1536 pixels
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That is the MAX VGA resolution is it not? Am I the only one who is seeing this or is this just a quirky thing....
I really don't believe that the thing has that insane high resolution...something just irks me about the thing.
How the "hell" does that mobile gpu handle the resolution without lagging up a ****storm.......I want to know.....I don't however want that its powered by fairy dust
I mean the device only has 1gb of ram........where does it get its video memory? that res would eat up memory like craxy
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It's just good software engineering, something Apple is darned good at. The 1Gb of ram is enough for a device that does not multitask in the same way android does.

I don't think other manufacturers can produce such very high resolution in small inch like ipad3 within this 2 years.
Apple is insane, pitty that it is not android.
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Nothing strange at all. Already iPad 2 has a huge GPU, but iPad 3 has an even larger GPU, iPad 3 uses an PowerVR SGX543MP4 and the complete SOC measures 162 mm2, that is twice as large and basically twice as expensive as an Tegra 3!
That GPU is basically 4 times as powerful as PowerVR SGX540 GPU, i e the GPU in Galaxy Nexus. But iPad has lower clock than Galaxy Nexus though.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5685/apple-a5x-die-size-measured-16294mm2-likely-still-45nm
Apple can afford such big SOC because iPad are expensive and also because of all the money the get from app-sales.
But that SOC is probably not working in an iPhone, they need a new more power efficient SOC made on 28/32 nm for iPhone 5.

It's all in the design. The way the A5/A5X SOCs are designed, they really do a better job of pushing the limits on what is possible with the specs. The A5/X is just that good of a design that they can run 512mb/1gb ram and be lag free. And also the way in which Apple handles multitasking.

dakpluto said:
It's all in the design. The way the A5/A5X SOCs are designed, they really do a better job of pushing the limits on what is possible with the specs. The A5/X is just that good of a design that they can run 512mb/1gb ram and be lag free. And also the way in which Apple handles multitasking.
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No, the GPU in A5/A5x is not more efficient or better designed than GPU's in Android phones, it is just more powerful because it has many more calculation units/transistors (more expensive).
In fact many Android phones uses the same architecture in their GPU's but with 1/4th of the calculation units in A5x.

Hope this pushes all other companies to increase screen resolutions.
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9.5 MB
2048 x 1536 x 3 bytes = 9.5 MB. And in most cases an image that big will be compressed in DRAM. 1GB is plenty.
However, refreshing the screen with that much data 30 or more times/second could consume a lot of the DRAM bandwidth. Those 4 CPU cores may slow down when displaying a full-size image. (Not that it'd matter - quad core on a tablet is mostly a marketing gimmick. They're not doing anything a single slower core couldn't handle just as well.)

dragon135 said:
I don't think other manufacturers can produce such very high resolution in small inch like ipad3 within this 2 years.
Apple is insane, pitty that it is not android.
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I thought there is a 2560x1600res 11.6" tablet coming in the form of 10.1" this year from samsung with a15 based exynos5

Higher resolutions are nice, but they should be useful. 2560*1600 sounds nice, but if everything will be unreadably small, there's no use in having such a resolution.
However, I do think it's strange Apple sticks to 4:3 resolutions even though their devices are shaped differently...

iPhone 5 Predictions

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1920 x 1280 4.1" Proprietary Super PLS 13 Point Multi Touch Screen
Apple A5X Asynchronous Dualcore Arm Cortex A9 @ 1.4GHz + PowerVR SGX 543MP4
1024 MB Dual-channel 533 MHz LPDDR3 Random Access Memory
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I think it'll be an A6 processor.
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Just under hd resolution (720p) is a rumor I heard. 4inch screen aluminum back. A millimeter thinner or two. I think the design will be similair to the 4/4S..flat sides like a block. I don't think it will be a quad core processor. I think the camera will be the same too since they already did that upgrade. And I'm assuming your ridiculously specific specs were meant to be a joke.

1920x1280 is that even a viable resolution? It sounds like you combined the first numbers from 1080p and 720p

xlxcrossing said:
1920x1280 is that even a viable resolution? It sounds like you combined the first numbers from 1080p and 720p
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Lalalala
1st Gen 480 x 320
Lolololo
2nd Gen 960 x 640
Lelelele
3rd Gen 1920 x 1280

xlxcrossing said:
Just under hd resolution (720p) is a rumor I heard. 4inch screen aluminum back. A millimeter thinner or two. I think the design will be similair to the 4/4S..flat sides like a block. I don't think it will be a quad core processor. I think the camera will be the same too since they already did that upgrade. And I'm assuming your ridiculously specific specs were meant to be a joke.
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Lizman said:
No No No
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Hmm, I Think I'll Change The Ram Bus To 800MHz
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As if apple would innovate. Nope, like always they'll stick with the old, slap a shiny new sticker on it and call it innovation. Expect something a little better than the 4s, which is to say, not very good.
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Iphone 5 predictions
Many sources are talking about a change in the screen dimensions, resolution comes later. and most of the reports are talking about a screen with the similar width as its predecessor but with greater height. a metal back that forms a shape similar to that in HTC HD2's backside.
until this moment all i mentioned are just rumors.

jdeoxys said:
As if apple would innovate. Nope, like always they'll stick with the old, slap a shiny new sticker on it and call it innovation. Expect something a little better than the 4s, which is to say, not very good.
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Ah
But They Innovated With Alot Of Things (Screen, Build, Touschcreen, etc)
And Double The Graphics Of The iPhone 4S = Monstrous = XBOX + NDS GFX

I Just Realised That 1440 x 960 Is Quite A Possibility Aswell
Though The Full HD+ Would Make More Sense For Apple In The Long Run

There are already a few videos and pics online of the leaked iPhone 5 parts. How true the final design will stay is to be seen.
But so far the two tone aluminum design looks sexy. It's thinner than 4s also supposedly.
Screen dimensions are going to be weird. It's a lot taller screen with around the same width, possibly new sim card dimensions also. Don't expect the resolution dpi to be any lower than the current retina display, apple is pushing towards extremely high resolutions on all their products.
As for the driving force. If it comes in fall October expect a smaller fabrication process core and maybe an a15 setup or hybrid like krait. Gpu will be top notch powervr sgx as usual, the fastest of the bunch. Ram will probably stay at 1gb, iOS really dowsnt need much anyway.
Camera inrpovements are a toss up, but id expect better low light
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pewpewbangbang said:
There are already a few videos and pics online of the leaked iPhone 5 parts. How true the final design will stay is to be seen.
But so far the two tone aluminum design looks sexy. It's thinner than 4s also supposedly.
Screen dimensions are going to be weird. It's a lot taller screen with around the same width, possibly new sim card dimensions also. Don't expect the resolution dpi to be any lower than the current retina display, apple is pushing towards extremely high resolutions on all their products.
As for the driving force. If it comes in fall October expect a smaller fabrication process core and maybe an a15 setup or hybrid like krait. Gpu will be top notch powervr sgx as usual, the fastest of the bunch. Ram will probably stay at 1gb, iOS really dowsnt need much anyway.
Camera inrpovements are a toss up, but id expect better low light
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Hm Yeah
I Suppose I Should Have Thought Of The A15
That Would Make My Original Prediction Alter To A15 @ 900MHz
And The RAM Is Doubling Not Staying As It Is. The 4S Has 512MB RAM

And I Highly Doubt That The Simcard Will Change Again
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- Retina Display for 4" screen with at least 326 DPI.
- Apple A6 Quad core chip.
- 1GB RAM.
- New Design.
- Ships with iOS6.
- 12mp Camera, or just 8mp worth an improved lens.
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Well we know its going to get a four inch screen and apparently ios 6 will have widgets in the form of "live icons" so its possible new iphone will use a basic form of widgets to fill up the larger resolution screen.
But knowing apple they will probably stick nfc and a larger screen on new iphone and leave anything else for an iphone 5S.
And all those iphone users who say that 3.5 inches is the perfect size display will convert overnight and 4 inches will now be the perfect screen size.
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If they copy widgets, they will have no right to be suing Samsung or Google.
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Like the OP said, i think it will have 3000x4000 res, A7, iOS 14 and 4GB Ram. I don't wanna mention the dpi maaan, it will be somethin like 587 dpi..... amazing machine that will be ......

Gotta say I'm not overly concerned WHAT it turns out to be. I don't ever wanna lock myself into the Apple OS/iTunes system again.
Best phone related decision ever was to jump ship and get an Android phone.

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Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?

Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?
This article raised a very good question I've been wondering for a while now too:
http://www.zdnet.com/dear-android-manufacturers-please-sell-me-the-phone-that-i-want-7000006437/
There are plenty of android phones to choose from. But every North American manufacturer's flagship phones are 4.6+ inches and they just seem to be getting bigger! I don't want a bigger phone...but I want flagship hardware. How many >4.5 inch android phones have top tier hardware (quadcore, HD screen, top end GPU). ZERO.:crying:
The one thing I think Apple has right is the size of the iPhone 5. It fits very comfortably in your hand. I can fit the Galaxy Nexus in one hand, but I cannot reach all areas of the screen with my thumb if I have 4 fingers gripping the side of the phone. I can stretch if I put my pinky on the bottom and only 3 on the side, but if I add a case to the mix then it becomes uncomfortable again.
Now I admit I have smaller hands, but I'm sure others have this issue as well. I just was shocked to read through the comments on the story to see how many people avidly almost "attacked" the author for his opinion. Thinking it was ridiculous to expect options like this. And that people with smaller hands should just be content with outdated hardware on smaller phones.
Anyone else who wish the sizes would go back down? Or at least have options of smaller models with the same high end hardware? Was really hoping for a 4-4.3" Nexus 4...but I know that's not going to happen Oh well...here's to hoping it might happen with the Nexus 5...

I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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lowbudge said:
I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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to be honest i am absolutely agree with u.
now adays smartphone is used for browsing and multimedia rather than make a call and sms or email.
u can get samsung galaxy s3 mini at least.
IMHO. nexus series will look like this in the future. i believe google has make some kind of standardization of their phone model.
4.65 with a shape like galnex.
its not the screen size that i really concern. but the battery life...

There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.

The new Galaxy S3 Mini just came out! It has the SPECS of a flagship devices, but has a 4" screen!

I prefer big displays mainly because tiny onscreen keyboards are hard to use.

Alton (Halo 2) said:
There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
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Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.
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Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?

colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.

063_XOBX said:
4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.
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I didn't think about the buttons. I guess I couldn't really say unless I held it in my hands, but it seems noticeably smaller on paper:
Xiaomi MI-2 Dimensions:
126 x 62 x 10.2 mm (4.96 x 2.44 x 0.40 in)
VS
Samsung Galaxy Nexus I9250 Dimensions:
135.5 x 67.9 x 8.9 mm (5.33 x 2.67 x 0.35 in)
Not a HUGE difference...again, I'd prefer a 4" phone where the difference would be more noticeable. But if these specs can be squeezed into 4.3" on the cheap from a no name brand, my point is it's definitely possible to do 4" from a big name brand manufacturer.

colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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crazaytalent said:
I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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It is a common idea in North America that "bigger is better," as well as "more is better." Just check out the average BMI in the US... kinda high up there.... and it ain't muscle mass.... check out Texas as an example.
I too was very concerned with my future phone before I upgraded to the Gnex. I had a 4.3" Droid Charge. I thought that anything over 4.5" was pushing my limits, but I slowly became very comfortable with the current Gnex size. However, I still do not want anything larger than 4.65"... so I'm hoping the future Nexus phones after the Nexus 4 don't get any bigger.
Side note: w00t SF Giants FTW!!!!!

I think the current nexus screen size is perfect imo

maybe the nexus 3 will grant your wish?

I guess your the odd one out that manufacturers don't care about
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High end Android phone will never be released in 4inch. That's how they make them different from iphone in the first place. There are more ppl want bigger phone. And tbh, ppl use both hand to type even on iphone... 4inch high end flagship phone is... meh... it will never happen..
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colonelcack said:
I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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Smokeey said:
The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/

A 4" top tier device now would probably be way more costly to manufacture than the usual 4.5"+ screen size device. And there will probably be very very few quad cores, if any in a device that small. Battery and all the other top tier accoutrements just won't be feasible. You will have to settle for a sacrifice somewhere. Last years top end specs in 4" form factor is probably best you can expect for a year or two.
Off topic but I wish Samsung took a chance on the galaxy premier and made it just like the nexus instead of Samsung's typical hardware button accompanied by two capacitive buttons. Better GPU and CPU. And add stock android. Samsung is probably too scared to lose any marketshare by alienating a device. What is wrong with taking small chances on a mid end device? All the people skipping the lg nexus 4 would probably take a serious at the i9260 if it had Google's now standard software navigation, with upgraded specs aaaaaaand a SD card slot. Smdh Samsung.
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Zepius said:
iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/
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My point exactly though. You can't get true 720p in a 4 inch screen and if you did you'd have to use a microscope to read anything.
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Best smartphone/phablet size

I have been using my galaxy note for a year now and i feel like its still the ideal size of a phablet.
We all know its the first device to explore the 5 inches size. But its resolution and aspect is still better than its successor. Thats a different debate but i still believe that if samsung just update its specs and rerelease the same design with full hd and octa core. It can still be a record breaking device.
Its alright ti have displays of 6.3 and bigger but abandanoning this comfort zone for another experiment is i think not a good idea.
My suggestion is for all vendors. I think if sony would have made its xperia Z a 5.3 inch device it would have been more fascinating for many. Now with the 6 inch devices most people switching on them from 4.3 or 4.5 inch device will miss the 5inch comfort border.
I am just curious to write this because i dont see something coming in b/w 5-5.5 inch in this year.
I agree 5.7 would be an ideal for most with the width. But i know it cant be a day to day friendly primary device like my 5.3 note.
Still cant figure with which device should i upgrade it in the next 6 months.
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Why aren't tablet specs as good as smartphones?

I see no reason for this. I have yet to find an Android tablet that has equivalent or better specs than say a Galaxy Note 3, Galaxy S 4, LG G2, etc.
It seems all these tablets have just 1GB of RAM on average (some have 2) and a dual-core CPU at most and are usually less than 2 GHz.
What REALLY bothers me is that tablets don't have 1080p displays. I fail to see the logic in this. Even the brand new Galaxy Note 8 or Tab 3 have 1280x800 displays. It is more expensive to shove 1920x1080 into a 5-inch or smaller screen than a freaking 7" to 12" screen. Also, would it not make more sense to add MORE pixels to a bigger screen to have a sharper image? These smaller phones that have 1080p displays are overkill because there is nearly no visible difference. I went from an S 3 with a 720p display to an S 4 with a 1080p and I see no difference. It seems these companies are doing everything bass-ackwards.
And how is it that they can't put a quad-core Snapdragon 800 into a tablet? Derp???
It's cheaper to make things bigger when it comes to silicon dies and chipsets.
Can anyone help explain this? Thanks. Ha.
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I think it's better to look at this in terms of business.
There is more demand for smartphones than there is for tablets because everyone needs a smartphone but not everyone wants a tablet because phones such as Galaxy Note have replaced tablets and combined the experience of having a large display and multitasking. So I think that manufacturers look to doing more research and development on smartphones due to demand.
However, this doesn't go to say that tablets can't have better hardware. Tablets can be as fast as phones and not only in terms of RAM memory, if you rationally look at the products you'll find that there also needs to be upgraded CPU, GPU and screens which obviously require more power. Conclusively all I can really think of is that businesses look to maximise profits with least costs and it's cheaper to produce smartphones than it is to produce tablets and there is also more demand in the smartphone market than there is in the tablet market.
Hope that answers your question.

The business perspective with supply and demand makes sense. Best answer I've found so far. Thanks.
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