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As above, anyone using higher capacity battery for their HTC Desire and it is tested and proven to last longer than the original batter? Can post the link to purchase the battery?
Thanks!
Before you buy another battery, have you read this thread about calibrating your battery?
And have you installed a rom that allows underclocking? It makes a massive difference.
I am now getting 20+ hours from my phone where as before underclocking I was getting 8 hours.
Same amount of usage, just underclocking when screen is off.
Erm.. I will go read about it, but because I want to retain as it is now, thats why I'm looking for an extended battery.
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Erm.. I will go read about it, but because I want to retain as it is now, thats why I'm looking for an extended battery.
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What kind of battery life do you currently get? Before (accidentally) calibrating my battery I was getting around 10-12 hours, now I'm getting around 36-42 hours.
I'm looking for one that can last me more than 1 day.
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And have you installed a rom that allows underclocking? It makes a massive difference.
I am now getting 20+ hours from my phone where as before underclocking I was getting 8 hours.
Same amount of usage, just underclocking when screen is off.
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Hey buddy, which app do you use for underclocking? Cheers,
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I'm looking for one that can last me more than 1 day.
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Well, I'm using the standard battery and have 26% remaining with "1d 10h" since unplugged (admittedly I haven't used the phone for that much in that time, just some internet usage, a couple of calls, but it's been constantly on WiFi or 3G to sync GMail).
Use SetCPU for underclocking, and use JuiceDefender to automatically turn off your data connection while the screen's off/locked.
It will still reconnect every 15 minutes to sync, and will remain connected as long as there's any continuing 3G traffic while the screen's off. Basically what it means is you're running one of the most power-consuming parts of your device only 1/15th of the time, which make a big difference. Text messages and voice calls come through instantly still - only things requiring a data connection like facebook, weather, twitter, etc will have any delay, and even then it'll only be 15 minutes at the most.
You can also try setting your phone to WCDMA-only, which means it won't be constantly trying to connect and maintain two radios simultaneously. GSM-only would be even better but depending on your carrier it might not work at all or might only work for voice.
With SetCPU try making a profile to automatically go into "powersave" mode when the screen's off, which will ensure the CPU never clocks up past its minimum speed during that time. It's still over 200 mhz, more than enough for anything you might want to do in the background. For normal operation, between 499 and 768 mhz as the maximum clock, depending on your preference, should be adequate and will save you a little bit of battery life as well all the time.
Also, download a widget to allow you to manually set screen brightness when you're indoors and the auto setting is useless. I have my screen brightness set to 15% while indoors and it's still plenty bright. I have the SLCD model, I don't know if that makes any difference.
My phone has been off the charger for 17 hours and 10 minutes. During that time, the screen was on for 2 hours and 29 minutes. I'm at 79% battery life with the standard battery.
Mugen 3200mah. Mine lasts a day with ease and heavy use.
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Mugen 3200mah. Mine lasts a day with ease and heavy use.
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Yours able to charge it properly?
A small update to my previous post... I'm now at 32 hours, 38 minutes uptime, 4 hours 44 minutes awake time (screen on). Battery just reached 60 percent. Stock battery.
Remember when you made the choice to buy an Android, you were in effect saying you wanted to have a highly customizable miniature computer. Just like when you customize [insert your desktop OS of choice] to suit your taste, you need to configure your phone in order to get what you want out of it - namely, better battery life than with the standard settings.
HTC's goal with the Desire was to have a showpiece, it runs very fast and it looks good doing it. But they designed it with frequent charging in mind. Since most of us here, I imagine, would prefer to charge less often, we just need to configure the phone appropriately.
If you want a guaranteed solution, try this:
- Install NextSense rom (it's free, latest version right now is 5.3 AFAIK, I'm currently using 5.2 still)
- Install JuiceDefender - it's free on the market and its default settings are, for a change, very intelligent and effective.
- Install SetCPU - You can get it free on this forum. Set it to "interactive" mode with a bottom speed of 245 and a top speed of 806 to start with. The default is 998 at the top, but 200 mhz doesn't make a big difference in this case except to help battery life a bit. Once installed, add a profile for "screen off" which sets the phone to "powersave" mode. This will keep it running at the minimum clock any time you're not using it. Nothing running in the background while you're not even using the phone requires more than the minimum CPU speed.
- Install the Brightness Widget by Curvefish. It's free on the market. Put its widget on your desktop and keep your screen brightness at 25% while you're indoors. 15% is what I use, but 25% is one of the presets so it's a bit easier. I have an SLCD display so the brightness I get on auto might just be different from what OLED gets on auto, I don't know, but in any case for me it's way brighter than it needs to be.
- Set your screen timeout to no more than 2 minutes
- Make sure any apps that sync data do so in a reasonable interval. +/- 15 minutes won't ruin your day for most things.
- Under Wireless & Networks, set your phone's connection to WCDMA-only (3G-only). For many people this results in an increase to both signal quality and battery life, since it allows your phone to only run one radio at a time, making a significant difference. If it doesn't work for you, it's as simple as turning it back to the default setting.
- Disable haptic feedback and see if you mind the difference. Making all those little vibrations takes power too.
- Finally (obviously) don't run a live background, but you probably already know that.
Doing all of the above takes an hour or maybe two at most to set up and the difference in battery life is tremendous. It's simple to do, I worked out all of the above on my own and I've literally only had the phone for 4 days now I think, never touched a smartphone before in my life let alone an Android.
Give it a try, you have nothing to lose, and it will probably save you needing to buy a battery. Or, if you still buy a double-capacity battery, it'll mean you can run for like a week on a charge.
edit: also make sure to get the latest version of the radio driver, I don't have a frame of reference for comparison since I updated mine right away, but apparently it makes a fair bit of difference and probably gives you a more reliable cell signal in the process.
In case you think I'm exaggerating, here are some pics I just took.
What's the ideal settings for juice defender? Cos my phone is not rooted so I'm not going to use the SetCPU application.
What do you mean charge properly ??
Is it able to charge?
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What's the ideal settings for juice defender? Cos my phone is not rooted so I'm not going to use the SetCPU application.
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"Ideal" settings are basically the way it's configured by default. You can't improve upon them much even by getting the "premium" upgrade unless your phone is rooted... but SetCPU is a better choice in that case anyway.
Just install it, hit "enable" after it's done auto-detecting your phone's capabilities, and you're done. It's really that simple.
Be sure to add it to your task killer exclusion list if you use one.
You saying the default option is for SetCPU or Juicedefender?
So just download the free juicedefender is good enough for me already since the pro version is more for rooted phones? (mine is not rooted)
Can somebody pls. post the link to SetCPU?
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Can somebody pls. post the link to SetCPU?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419
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So just download the free juicedefender is good enough for me already since the pro version is more for rooted phones? (mine is not rooted)
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Yes exactly. The pro version unlocks some more customization but ultimately won't add a whole lot to your battery life no matter how it's set up. I mean, beyond what the "regular" version does.
I know I know that disabling data can get me 24-30+ hours of battery life. However for my on the go lifestyle, that's just not possible. I depend on my phone to keep my email updated. I have four email accounts (two of which are exchange) that sync calendars and contacts as well as email. I was using push on my two exchange accounts, but I've changed that to do every hour for one and every 15 minutes for the other. my other emails are set to check every hour. I have craigslist notifications set to check a single time per day. I have a weather widget that is only supposed to check every 4 hours.
I am running Perception 10.2 with the latest firebird 2 kernel, but have also tried various versions of speedmod's kernel. I have tried the following modems
JL1, JL2, JL3, JK4, KP1.
No matter what I cannot seem to get more then about 10 hours of battery life on standby ONLY. no phone calls, no turning the display on, nothing. I consistently get around 1 hour of time per 10% drain on my battery. I'm not asking for miracles. I just want my phone to be able to last at least 12 hours (a full work day plus drive time.)
I've already set the programs with the most spartan settings I am willing to use. I'd rather have my phone pushing data to my much more often, but I understand that's not going to be possible unless I can find a drastic increase in my battery life. What else can I do?
I have 3 email push accounts, and google voice syncing all the time. Email includes emails with attachments too, and EDGE is pretty much sufficient for most of these things. Even for normal day to day activities like browsing XDA, EDGE is pretty much sufficient.
So I would advise u to switch from 3G to EDGE. U can turn on 3G when u need more bandwidth demanding apps. This would reduce some strain on ur battery.
Only downside would be that u can't browse n talk on phone at the same time. But its ok by me to get a few mails after the call I am on is over. I can live with this small inconvinience in leiu of the additional battery gain.
As of this minute, with the configuration I have in my signature (am using xcal kernel), I have like 63% battery left after ~7.15 hours standby, with 1h31m of display on and 40m of calls, alongside mails being pushed.
Edit: At the end of my 'normal' day with 'moderate' usage (1-1.5 hours calls and 1.5-2 hour display being on (not for games/movies, but with active data transfer on like texting), I reach home with ~50-60% battery left.
On a side note: I would recommend to turn off updates in weather widget, and use a manual refresh when needed.
how do you easily toggle between 2G/3G? it's my understanding you have to use service menus to access the change.
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how do you easily toggle between 2G/3G? it's my understanding you have to use service menus to access the change.
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If u r on the ROM I am using, u can get it in network settings.
Some 2.2.1 ROMs do not have it in network settings. If ur ROM doesn't have it, u would need to access through the service mode code "*#*#197328640#*#*.
When in service mode, here is the sequence to select in the options:
option 1
option 8
option 4
option 3
Note: Pressing 'back' key will NOT take u back. It will close the service menu. Press the 'menu' key, and select 'back' to go back.
Be warned, this would not stick on reboot. U would need to repeat these steps whenever u reboot.
Alternately, I would suggest u move to a ROM that supports EDGE/3G switch. If the ROM supports this option in network settings, it would stick on rebooting too.
Yeah, I just found that. Perception supports switching, but you have to go to the settings menu to do it. I found something called Juice defender, and will play around with that as well. Unfortunately we aren't on an ASOP build, so we can't auto toggle 2G/3G, have to do it from the menu. I will report and let you know what I find!
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Yeah, I just found that. Perception supports switching, but you have to go to the settings menu to do it. I found something called Juice defender, and will play around with that as well. Unfortunately we aren't on an ASOP build, so we can't auto toggle 2G/3G, have to do it from the menu. I will report and let you know what I find!
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Sure. By the way, I don't use any apps like juice defender. Realized that my battery is well off without them by taking care of little things like turning off wifi and bluetooth when not using them (well, these are the only two things I take care of manually).
I would normally agree with you, but as I was looking through the app I saw that it actually disables data while the phone is off, and only turns it on temporarily at intervals to allow application updates. If it truly works just like it states, I could have essentially a battery experience similar to turning off data while still enjoying my notifications. More experimentation is necessary.
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I would normally agree with you, but as I was looking through the app I saw that it actually disables data while the phone is off, and only turns it on temporarily at intervals to allow application updates. If it truly works just like it states, I could have essentially a battery experience similar to turning off data while still enjoying my notifications. More experimentation is necessary.
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Juice Defender gives me 60 to 70 % more battery life. I have it set to sync every 15min and wifi is location based.
Yeah, Juice Defender works absolute wonders! it gives me the same amount of battery savings that switching to 2G gave me, but automatically enables and disables itself when I need it. I'm on 70% battery left with over 7 hours off the charger, and that was taking voice calls and doing some light email checking!
Try a kernel that supports OC/UV. You don't have to overclock, but undervolting is what you want. Check out Suckerpunch kernel. Nice guide by shaolin. Can't argue against a black belt. lol.
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Try a kernel that supports OC/UV. You don't have to overclock, but undervolting is what you want. Check out Suckerpunch kernel. Nice guide by shaolin. Can't argue against a black belt. lol.
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Unless I can only have it underclock while I'm not using it, I think I'll pass. I bought the Captivate for it's 1GHz proc, if I wanted something slower I would have gotten the aria.
You misunderstand. It's undervolt. That means use less power at different processing states.
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You misunderstand. It's undervolt. That means use less power at different processing states.
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you can undervolt a proc without underclocking it? How is this possible, unless they changed the FSB or timings on the chip?
I pretty sure you can use voltage control and set highest state at 1000mhz and set lower voltages for states below it. That's as techincal I'm going to get.
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you can undervolt a proc without underclocking it? How is this possible, unless they changed the FSB or timings on the chip?
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By running the chip slightly out of spec.
You can usually undervolt each cpu step by 50 to 150 mV. How to find the right point really does just take trial and error. And as with all overclocking/underclocking your mileage may vary. Some phones can really be pushed to the limits and run fine, others don't like even the slightest changes to the stock settings. All depends on how well your phone was put together, and from where in the wafer your CPU was taken from.
Undervolting can save you a fair bit of battery though. Won't help a whole lot when you're actually using the phone (since the screen and 3G/WiFi radios will suck way more power than the CPU), but it will help seriously increase your standby time.
PS While undervolting and overclocking capable kernels tend to be one and the same (since the underlying code is related) you DO NOT need to overclock your phone to undervolt the CPU. You can run your CPU at stock 1 GHz while still undervolting each frequency step. Course, with some tweaking and good luck, you can even get your phone to run at 1.2 or 1.3 GHz while still using no more power than a stock phone at 1 GHz.
How much battery gets used when the phone constantly switches between EDGE and 3G? I'm curious because my building has thick walls and my 3G signal constantly drops down to EDGE when I pick it up, then goes back to 3G when I leave it sitting out on my desk.
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By running the chip slightly out of spec.
You can usually undervolt each cpu step by 50 to 150 mV. How to find the right point really does just take trial and error. And as with all overclocking/underclocking your mileage may vary. Some phones can really be pushed to the limits and run fine, others don't like even the slightest changes to the stock settings. All depends on how well your phone was put together, and from where in the wafer your CPU was taken from.
Undervolting can save you a fair bit of battery though. Won't help a whole lot when you're actually using the phone (since the screen and 3G/WiFi radios will suck way more power than the CPU), but it will help seriously increase your standby time.
PS While undervolting and overclocking capable kernels tend to be one and the same (since the underlying code is related) you DO NOT need to overclock your phone to undervolt the CPU. You can run your CPU at stock 1 GHz while still undervolting each frequency step. Course, with some tweaking and good luck, you can even get your phone to run at 1.2 or 1.3 GHz while still using no more power than a stock phone at 1 GHz.
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Thank you for being the geek.
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How much battery gets used when the phone constantly switches between EDGE and 3G? I'm curious because my building has thick walls and my 3G signal constantly drops down to EDGE when I pick it up, then goes back to 3G when I leave it sitting out on my desk.
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Any time your phone is forced to switch from 3G to Edge, or even from one band to another, it's not a good sign for your battery. Exactly how much power difference? Grab a multimeter and hook it up between your phone and battery. Record some data, and test for statistical significance. And let us all know.
Short of that, I'd say if you spend a lot of your day in an area with known bad coverage, I would hop into the engineering mode (*#*#0011#*#*), and lock your phone to a specific band and radio mode. Like 850 MHz EDGE, or 850 MHz W-CDMA. Or if you are in an 1900 area, then 1900 EDGE/W-CDMA. Not just EDGE or 3G mode, but a specific band AND radio mode. You need to be smart, and pick the band that has the best coverage so you don't make life even harder on your radio, but it can save some battery life over the phone jumping around ever time you walk from one side of the room to the other.
i running paragon 5.1 rom with the 1280mhz kernel overclocked to 1280 and undervolted. my phone has been unplugged since 7:30 am eastern time it is now 8:04 pm eastern and i have 73% battery left lol. i have done everything today on the web screwing around with my phone. the best rom so far and im even overclocked.
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i running paragon 5.1 rom with the 1280mhz kernel overclocked to 1280 and undervolted. my phone has been unplugged since 7:30 am eastern time it is now 8:04 pm eastern and i have 73% battery left lol. i have done everything today on the web screwing around with my phone. the best rom so far and im even overclocked.
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Post usage stats please, like how long display been on, time spent on calls, etc.
Btw, does this ROM allow switching between 2G and 3G in the mobile network settings menu.
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This is not for the faint of heart.....
I flashed Clemsyns 1.9 Ghz kernel this morning and it has cut boot times down by about 15s, I am able to cold boot in less than 30s. I know this kernel isnt working for everyone, however, just thought Id mention it is working very well for me so far. Didnt need it for lag as that was gone with the 1.5-1.8 kernel, but it is worth it for the boot improvement, which was my only gripe with this device. In a truly mobile productivity device boot times SHOULD be less than 30s.
Will report later today after more stress tests and temperature checks.
Oh ya, I am running CleanROM Inheritance 3.0.4, fsync disabled, scroll cache disabled, and force GPU rendering.
Cant wait to see how this flies after Data2SD Mod (cant apply until i get back home to Halifax - East coast represent)
Best of luck
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Just finished stressing the machine quite hard, everything is stable so far, temperature hasnt gone up at all either
Just thought id mention.....
GOT A SCORE OF 7524 IN QUADRANT.....BEAST MOOOOOODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MUUUAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH! I VILL TAKE OVER ZE VOOOOOORLD
LOL okay let's see how much this drains on your battery!
Preferably show battery screenshots instead of just words
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LOL okay let's see how much this drains on your battery!
Preferably show battery screenshots instead of just words
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Good call, I forgot that most ppl would be interested in the battery drain.
I was fully charged before flashing new kernel, I have used for over 4 hrs, been doing heavy browsing, stress tests, and benchmark tests....all in performance mode.....im at 67% dock, 76% tablet...I keep screen brightness around 20%-25%. Havent noticed any more drain than usual.
Ran a benchmark test in balanced mode and got the same results as I used to get with 1.5-1.8 Ghz/700 GPU kernel....if you are worried about stressing your system leave it in balanced and switch to performance mode when needed.
Troo that overclock to 1.9 is a battery killer.
Have to say I didn't stay on it very long
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Troo that overclock to 1.9 is a battery killer.
Have to say I didn't stay on it very long
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That sucks I havent seen much of a battery hit at all. For the past 2 hrs ive left it in balanced mode and there is no diff b/w 1.5-1.8 kernel at 1450mV. I didnt use the 1400 mV kernel for very long bc i didnt notice any battery improvement, maybe the 1400 mV kernel is much better, are you using 1400 mV kernel?
Ive been using my tab for 5 hrs in performance and 2 hrs in balanced and im still at 33% dock and 87% tablet. Thats essentially the same as it used to be, should get at least get a full day of heavy use, especially considering I have been running stress tests, benchmarks, and repeated cold boots to make sure its up to snuff.
The screen and wifi are the biggest battery consumers, overclocking from 1.5-1.8 to 1.9 shouldnt hit battery too much.
maybe
maybe the 1.9 isnt kicking in, maybe try playing some shadowgun or something to see ur battery time,
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maybe the 1.9 isnt kicking in, maybe try playing some shadowgun or something to see ur battery time,
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I dont have any games. Games are cool, I just dont play them, and will never put a game on my tablet lol. I really cant say how battery would be affected by this kernel when gaming.
You might be wondering why I even bother with this kernel if I do not game. Well, my good sir, I happen to be a performance junkie, and cant stand lag of any sort lol. Multitasking is what i focus on, this tab has replaced all my other devices, and am happy to say my workflow is smoother and faster.
From my personal use I think the kernal rocks! I have used it before and just went to it again recently. The only reason I switched was because the Rom I used didnt have the option to install that Kernal and I was too lazy to flash it again. On a regular everyday use I keep it in balanced mode and really dont see a hit in battery. I personally only saw a little bit of battery drain in gaming however in the graphic and CPU heavy games there was battery drain anyways. I can deal with plugging it in more to get more performance out of my tab. I am one of those people that has 5 home screens, ones dedicated to all of my games and its fully filled with 6 different folders each containing atleast 10 more games. This would definitely slow down my tablet however with this Kernal its different. I also get around the same results in quadrant 7436 to be exact.I do see a temp increase but its not too large so I can deal with it.
Over all I think its the best Kernal out right now hands down.
Just curious - why do you even power-off your device to begin with? Normally, "mobile devices" are meant to be on always-on anyway, so I just don't see why the cold-boot time is such a big deal. The device goes into a deep-sleep state when in standby with very little power drain, which pretty much eliminates the need to constantly power off and back on the begin with.
Do you really completely power-off your device on a regular basis?
Again, just curious - obviously, that's completely up to you...
Personally, I only reboot my TF700 when flashing kernels and/or ROM's - otherwise it's always on. That way you never have to wait for it to boot!
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I don't think the boot time has nothing to do with 1.8 or 1.9 kernel, my cold boot is about 22 sec. They should be about the same depended on how many app services you have running on your device.
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Just curious - why do you even power-off your device to begin with? Normally, "mobile devices" are meant to be on always-on anyway, so I just don't see why the cold-boot time is such a big deal. The device goes into a deep-sleep state when in standby with very little power drain, which pretty much eliminates the need to constantly power off and back on the begin with.
Do you really completely power-off your device on a regular basis?
Again, just curious - obviously, that's completely up to you...
Personally, I only reboot my TF700 when flashing kernels and/or ROM's - otherwise it's always on. That way you never have to wait for it to boot!
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I cold boot all the friggin time lol just my personal preference. It feels snappier after cold boot and I am constantly deleting stuff and trying new things/setups/setting configurations to eek out more performance, after each change I cold boot to get an accurate assessment of the changes that I have made. Lately ive been spending several hours a day trying to improve tab, which has meant a lot of cold boots. For the past few weeks ive spent more time optimizing and assessing this tab than acually using it, kind of nuts, i know lol, but i really enjot it and im off school right now and my hometown is in the middle of nowhere, less than 100 ppl live in my town lol. I normally shut down before bed, and do another cold boot after I finish classes around 7, boot time matters to me.
Oh and I will not charge this thing if it is on, I figure that draining the battery (no matter how little) while charging cant be good for its life long term.
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I don't think the boot time has nothing to do with 1.8 or 1.9 kernel, my cold boot is about 22 sec. They should be about the same depended on how many app services you have running on your device.
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I honestly dont know if it should or shouldnt, all i know is that i was booting in about 40s-45s before flashing 1.9 kernel, now i boot in 30s, Ive seen results by doing this. I time my boot times with stopwatch on my phone, i monitor everything going on in this tablet very heavily. Every time i change anything i like to be able to assess its overall impact on performance.
I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but it does kinda make sense. I am seeing what "appears" to be a pretty solid increase in battery life during browsing and bulk transfers. I was able to download 3.5gb of data over wifi at about 1MB/s (around 1hr of nonstop transfer, data for Horn and NOVA3) and only knock off 17% of the battery with only 2bars. I am currently at 3:35/5:47 screen-on for the day and still have 68% left. The nonstop pulling is worse than regular browsing, and at this pace getting to the 8hrs of browsing seems like an actual possibility. As I am running on Balance with CleanROM 3.4.4 at the moment, switching to powersave could probably eek out addition gains.
IF YOU BLOW SOMETHING UP DO NOT BLAME ME...ETC ETC ETC
If anyone wants to check this out, and see if it's just fluke, here is what I have tried.
..pre-post revision...I started out doing the changes manually via terminal, but found some resources on XDA and the play store to make it a bit easier, so I am linking that stuff instead. A user has a pretty good guide for the Thunderbolt that I retested with and it works fine.
Just follow the steps here Solved: WiFi TXpower app error issue with missing iwconfig file to get the iwconfig file, and the links for the WIFI TXpower app.
I used Root explorer, so renaming the iwconfig.txt, moving it to xbin, and changing perms was trivial. As for WIFI Txpower, I have been running on 4db(398 DBM) with no really noticeable problems. I imagine it may have a steeper dropoff based on distance, but the plastic strip on the TF700 really fixed the range issue.
..UPDATE: I have noticed that when you turn the device on after a wifi sleep event, it seems to come back up full blast. So my estimates may be off by quite a bit, as I didn't check it between downloads and browsing sessions. Tom make the settings stick, there may need to be some modifications to the init scripts. I just wanted to get this info into the hands of more people to poke at, and determine if this is something worth adding to Aroma for our TF700 roms.
Day one with lots of power switching back to lower levels. Balanced mode with stock _that at interactive + row. Auto brightness.
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Looks promising
Thanks for reporting this -- and thanks for trying.
Which interface name does it report in your case -- I get a wlan0 interface name instead of the eth0 reported in the original thread. I just picked wlan0, as it stays there even if I pick "Auto".
EDIT: I used Root Explorer succesfully -- no trouble remounting /system as R/W, so the one fluke I found may reside in the original thread.
Yes, it should be wlan0 for the wireless. The biggest problem is that after the interface goes to sleep (screen timeout), it will come back up at full burn, and you have to turn it down again. It will need to be cook into the ifup scripts to make it survive.
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Yes, it should be wlan0 for the wireless. The biggest problem is that after the interface goes to sleep (screen timeout), it will come back up at full burn, and you have to turn it down again. It will need to be cook into the ifup scripts to make it survive.
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thanks for the tip! seems to be the real deal!
i had a test and notice only the 4 and 11 seem to line up with our tf700's ... is same for you?
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others don't seem to change on mine?... and no button for getting back to stock(full power)...
Yes I think we really just need to call true power via dbm to be accurate. The wifi power app was a quick way for people to validate what I was experiencing. I want to do some more playing around over the weekend and maybe a mod for cleanrom to handle the sleep issue. I am seeing a pretty significant drop in power drain while browsing and doing anything with wifi. I am having to force usage patterns to drain the battery versus just firing up a browser or online game.
snypa said:
thanks for the tip! seems to be the real deal!
i had a test and notice only the 4 and 11 seem to line up with our tf700's ... is same for you?
stock @ 1496dBm
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You can use the command line to change the parameters. Use "iwconfig wlan0 txpower 1"to get down to 100dbm. Which works great as lo g as you are near the router.
"iwconfig wlan0 txpower 15" brings you back to 1496dbm
I am running this now with lowest settings for almost 24h.
I am not seeing any improvements in battery life.
jupppo said:
I am running this now with lowest settings for almost 24h.
I am not seeing any improvements in battery life.
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It currently resets on (at least wifi) sleep, so you shouldn't be seeing any improvement unless you kept your poor 700 awake all those 24 hours.
The criterion is the "screen on" time, which may well be longer with the mod in place and active. Don't forget to activate it every time you wake up the 700.
I'm not sure when it was incorporated, but I know the 'Wi-Fi optimization' option in the advanced Wi-Fi settings effectively does this dynamically. If I recall correctly, it showed up after the last stable release but I've certainly noticed a big difference in battery life since I keep my Wi-Fi on always.. and no need to iwconfig depending on how much traffic you're planning on pushing! Anyway, it would be under Settings -> Wi-Fi -> (Menu) -> Advanced -> Wi-Fi optimization and that seems to do the same sort of thing and takes into consideration some of the weird PM issues related to the hotspot AP code. Just my two cents though..
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It currently resets on (at least wifi) sleep, so you shouldn't be seeing any improvement unless you kept your poor 700 awake all those 24 hours.
The criterion is the "screen on" time, which may well be longer with the mod in place and active. Don't forget to activate it every time you wake up the 700.
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Yes thank you, but that was mentioned earlier already and I took it into consideration and switched back on every use.
I have 6h screen time with reduced tx settings as well as without.
Really no effect here. I also reduced to 100dbm.
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I'm not sure when it was incorporated, but I know the 'Wi-Fi optimization' option in the advanced Wi-Fi settings effectively does this dynamically. If I recall correctly, it showed up after the last stable release but I've certainly noticed a big difference in battery life since I keep my Wi-Fi on always.. and no need to iwconfig depending on how much traffic you're planning on pushing! Anyway, it would be under Settings -> Wi-Fi -> (Menu) -> Advanced -> Wi-Fi optimization and that seems to do the same sort of thing and takes into consideration some of the weird PM issues related to the hotspot AP code. Just my two cents though..
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The Wi-Fi optimization option is not available in stock roms. I think that this is essentially what the non-Asus roms are doing with their wifi. The problem is that none of the non-Asus roms have made it to the 100% functionality mark, compared to something like CleanROM. If the day arises that they do, I would drop the stock rom in a NY minute, but until then, they are not complete replacements for me.
That being said, will you conserve power via wifi when running a aosp rom with these adjustments, probably not, but the aosp roms have never given me the battery life of CleanROM to begin with so it balanced out. I am having no problems breaking 8hrs screen on time with a stock rom and wifi adjustments.
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Yes thank you, but that was mentioned earlier already and I took it into consideration and switched back on every use.
I have 6h screen time with reduced tx settings as well as without.
Really no effect here. I also reduced to 100dbm.
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What rom are you using? If you are not on a stock rom like CleanROM, see my previous post.
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What rom are you using? If you are not on a stock rom like CleanROM, see my previous post.
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Latest CleanROM version. iwconfig is working and new settings gets confirmed, but I have 0 power savings from it.
jupppo said:
Latest CleanROM version. iwconfig is working and new settings gets confirmed, but I have 0 power savings from it.
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No disrespect intended, but I doubt it is zero. It may be minimal and contingent on usage, which is why the feature is available in aosp roms. I doubt this is the optimal way of using it. What I can say is with my usage patterns I was getting an average of about 5-6hrs absolute tops on balanced with stock _ that kernel and auto brightness, and now I can normally get over 7of heavy browsing consistently.
YMMV
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No disrespect intended, but I doubt it is zero. It may be minimal and contingent on usage, which is why the feature is available in aosp roms. I doubt this is the optimal way of using it. What I can say is with my usage patterns I was getting an average of about 5-6hrs absolute tops on balanced with stock _ that kernel and auto brightness, and now I can normally get over 7of heavy browsing consistently.
YMMV
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Whether it is 0 or 1% doesn't really matter for me. What matters is that is practically has no impact. I tried on 2 transformers now (one with CROMI and one with stock).
So it would be interesting to see the difference and see why your prime has significant power savings and others not
Unless there is some movement I will throw iwconfig from my tablets.
Anyway, thanks for trying.
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Whether it is 0 or 1% doesn't really matter for me. What matters is that is practically has no impact. I tried on 2 transformers now (one with CROMI and one with stock).
So it would be interesting to see the difference and see why your prime has significant power savings and others not
Unless there is some movement I will throw iwconfig from my tablets.
Anyway, thanks for trying.
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I'm not using a Prime this is the TF700 Infinity forums. And feel free to toss it from your tablet though every other none stock rom includes it for a reason. If you have nothing further to add other than "my smartassv2 cfq hundkernel undervolted overclocked device doesn't magically have 10hrs of screen on time", please dismiss yourself from this thread. All devices are not made equal, and maybe your particular device(s) are not effected by these changes.
What is a fact is that different people have different experiences with these devices, some perform better than others in different situations. What I can state is that I am able to consistently get over the previous 6hr average, with my specific device, by babysitting the txpower.
I posted this information FYI and YMMV, so can we just leave it at that. If it is irrelevant, and doesn't work for anyone, the thread will age off of the page by itself. Thanks
Welp, that escalated quickly.
Hi I have used apps such as Greenify, Amplify, and Privacy Guard to get great standby time. Anyone know of any tricks to get better onscreen time? I seem to only get maximum 5 hours onscreen time no matter how long my phone is on standby. Any kernel/governor suggestions maybe? I have downclocked already to 1.9ghz. Thanks in advance.
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Hi I have used apps such as Greenify, Amplify, and Privacy Guard to get great standby time. Anyone know of any tricks to get better onscreen time? I seem to only get maximum 5 hours onscreen time no matter how long my phone is on standby. Any kernel/governor suggestions maybe? I have downclocked already to 1.9ghz. Thanks in advance.
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Sounds like you've already done all the usual things. Five hours SOT is pretty standard.
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Sounds like you've already done all the usual things. Five hours SOT is pretty standard.
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Thanks for the response! I have seen people around the forums get 8 hours of onscreen time lol do you think that had to do with further custom kernel optimizations?
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Thanks for the response! I have seen people around the forums get 8 hours of onscreen time lol do you think that had to do with further custom kernel optimizations?
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I think it has more to do with them not actually using their phones. People skew the results just so it looks like their screen on time is fantastic, but in reality they've just had their phone sitting on a table with the screen on but not being used. Are you on Lollipop or KitKat?
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I think it has more to do with them not actually using their phones. People skew the results just so it looks like their screen on time is fantastic, but in reality they've just had their phone sitting on a table with the screen on but not being used. Are you on Lollipop or KitKat?
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Yeah I see what you're saying. I'm in stock CM12S with stock kernel. The governor is currently on interactive, would changing that increase onscreen time at all?
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Yeah I see what you're saying. I'm in stock CM12S with stock kernel. The governor is currently on interactive, would changing that increase onscreen time at all?
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The governor can play a part in increasing your battery performance, but only a little, interactive is probably a fairly good governor to stick with. You could try conservative but I wouldn't expect a massive difference. KitKat definitely got better battery life than Lollipop, I used to get about 6-7 hours SOT with fairly heavy use on KK, now on Lollipop I average about 5 hours.
Me too...I wonder what causes that 1-2 hour decrease even with the optimizations. Maybe the ART runtime vs the old dalvik on kitkat?
The mobile radio awake issue I think
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The mobile radio awake issue I think
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Oh yeah good point. Does that battery drain occur only when mobile data is on or all the time?
For me while on mobile data 3-4 hrs SOT, on Wifi is more like 5-6