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[Q] Looking for a new phone

I'm looking to buy a new phone, and I'm going to try the Android road once again. My main problem with Android phones has been usability, mostly small glitches, lag, unresponsiveness and other various bugs that annoy me when all I want to do is a complete a simple task. The problem with my current HTC wildfire is that I'm simply sick to death about mostly lag and interface issues, and I'm running a pretty average stock ROM, I forget which one since I kinda stuck with one that I was somewhat happy with and gave up with reflashing.
I've tried plenty of other ROMS and they all tend to be the same in one way or another when it comes to issues like this. I've even got it overclocked to 710mhz, and still facing crappy issues, and pretty big drain in the battery. I just really feel I shouldn't have to go through all of that to get decent usability.
Hell I think the Branded stock HTC ROM out preformed most of the cooked ones, my only problem with it was that was branded everywhere with useless shortcuts and icons.
So I'm looking for something fairly high end, with a physical qwerty keyboard, a 3.5mm jack, and overall simply put, good performance for general use and the odd emulator here and there. I was thinking the HTC desire Z, but since it's going at about $300-$350 I think it might be another mistake, my Wildfire was about that much and after a few months it was a regretful buy.
I really don't want to buy another phone that will let me down, my last three phones were a HTC Touch Diamond which cost a fortune, a Nokia E63 (Because I was that stick of the touch diamond), and my current HTC Wildfire, the E63 was probably the best buy out of all of them, and it was the cheapest.
So please guys, help me find a decent phone, I really don't want to have to fork out the ridiculous amount of money for an iPhone 4 or go back to the E series Nokia phones.
I know it seems a little lazy for me to be asking a forum such a question, this is something I usually research and review, but that has failed me which is why I really want some advice from users themselves, ones that have possibly suffered from the same sort of issues. Reviews are one thing, but daily long term users are another. I remember thinking the Wildfire was good from the reviews, little did I know.

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Kind of late for the sgs 2 but I still recommend it. I have not experienced any lag, and I will proudly say it is the most fluid and smooth phone android has to offer. It has software which is unmatched in terms of efficiency and maintainability and security. Moreover it is more or less equal to sense in terms of functionality.

That's sort of in the right track, but as mentioned, I'm looking for something with a physical QWERY keyboard.
I'm thinking maybe the Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro, anyone got any kind of negative feedback on that?

If you want a qwerty keyboard, you can have a look at the HTC Desire Z. They are available in The Netherlands here for 319,- euros. I don't know if they are sold in your area though...

How do you like HTC Chacha?
qwerty, android and low price are included

I have the Desire Z and i love my phone its really great, and for me the keyboard was the main reason to buy the phone and after one year with the phone i can certainly say that the phone has much more then the keyboard and u can find many roms for it here in xda...
BUT i want also mention that the phone is nowaday i little bit outdated, with its 800mhz single core prossesor(ok u can takt it up to 2ghz,so its for me never a problem of speed with 1-1,3ghz and the right rom u have more then enough speed,dats my personal few),
The BIG MINUS for me are the 512Mb ram,which u will get to know sometimes when u are useing bigger roms (like sense 3.0,for sure there are ways to "extend RAM" and super roms like the Virtous Unity where almost everything works smooth), but these 512mb ram and the Android together making it sometimes difficult for me, it causes lags and all,(today i have cm7 on it and still now no probs, only the market app is bit slow but that has nothing to do with the phone i think)
....to be honest i never really saw an android headset without any small lag...
and as Kailkti above said, (even if i am not a big samsung and his plastic phone fan) i would also say buy the the SGS2 its really very fast and almost lag and problem free ...as i know....

Manuel91 said:
I have the Desire Z and i love my phone its really great, and for me the keyboard was the main reason to buy the phone and after one year with the phone i can certainly say that the phone has much more then the keyboard and u can find many roms for it here iin xda...
BUT i want also mention that the phone is nowaday i little bit outdated, with its 800mhz single core prossesor(ok u can takt it up to 2ghz,so its for me never a problem of speed with 1-1,3ghz and the right rom u have more then enough speed,dats my personal few),
The BIG MINUS for me are the 512Mb ram,which u will get to know sometimes when u are useing bigger roms (like sense 3.0,for sure there are ways to "extend RAM" and super roms like the Virtous Unity where almost everything works smooth), but these 512mb ram and the Android together making it sometimes difficult for me, it causes lags and all,(today i have cm7 on it and still now no probs, only the market app is bit slow but that has nothing to do with the phone i think)
....to be honest i never really saw an android headset without any small leg...
and as Kailkti above said, (even if i am not a big samsung and his plastic phone fan) i would also say buy the the SGS2 its really very fast and almost lag and problem free ...as i know....but I am unexperienced compared to many devs here....
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Wow Manuel, I'd just like to say thanks, I really appreciate the time you took into giving me details and your personal experience with the phone!

xelasha said:
Wow Manuel, I'd just like to say thanks, I really appreciate the time you took into giving me details and your personal experience with the phone!
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You are Welcome ...as said i love my desire Z and i saw dat u are thinking about buying... so i wanted to tell u that the phone is great but has also his minus... and u should know and think about what u want and need...every phone has his + and - ...as i bought my phone i had the choice between the desire z and the galaxy S and i took the desire z and I am happy about it...i wanted a phone with qwertz keyboard, because i am writing much and i dont like TS writing and now there are many other better much more powerfull devices, but only less alternatives to the desire z...( for me personally there i no alternative because i like sense very much an there is no other device with qwertz keyboard from htc, ok the Salsa but thats an other league)...
.)so u have to decide if u want power and lag/bugless phone then galaxyS2 is ...
.)physical keyboard and a middle class phonewith good manufacturing, wich is not lagfree desire z
.)or u should look at motorola(but dont know how the phones really are, only read about one,..two days or so ago... with dulcore and keyboard and all)
so wish u all a nice day ;D

Galaxy Nexus ALL THE WAY!!!!!!! Reasons:
1) Will be smoothest and most stable
2) Will have dev support from google for a LONG TIME
3) Due to dev support, wont be obsolete for a LONG TIME
4) Runs pure android
Personal Experience:
I own a nexus one. I am running gingerbread with little to no lag most of the time. This phone is two years old and I still get OTA updates. I am planning on getting a galaxy nexus. Even though its 2 years old, I still love it, wouldnt trade it for an iphone ever.
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Galaxy nexus runs PURE STOCK, making it much more stable and much less laggy. Almost no reason to spend time rooting and flashing ROMS if you into that. Also, with a 1.2 ghz dual core processor, there's not much room for lag. Last point, ICS was designed to be more stable and smooth than any other android build EVER, so if you want the smoothest android phone possible, the galaxy nexus is the way to go.
Extra Goodies:
First phone to run ICS. Once again, ICS was designed for this phone!!!!!! Get all the goodies from ICS. The highest resolution android screen EVER and its 4.65" Super AMOLED. And LTE and HSPA+ support. So if you are on verizon, sprint, tmobile, or att you can get it.
google.com/nexus

matthewkhoury75 said:
Galaxy Nexus ALL THE WAY!!!!!!! Reasons:
1) Will be smoothest and most stable
2) Will have dev support from google for a LONG TIME
3) Due to dev support, wont be obsolete for a LONG TIME
4) Runs pure android
Personal Experience:
I own a nexus one. I am running gingerbread with little to no lag most of the time. This phone is two years old and I still get OTA updates. I am planning on getting a galaxy nexus. Even though its 2 years old, I still love it, wouldnt trade it for an iphone ever.
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Galaxy nexus runs PURE STOCK, making it much more stable and much less laggy. Almost no reason to spend time rooting and flashing ROMS if you into that. Also, with a 1.2 ghz dual core processor, there's not much room for lag. Last point, ICS was designed to be more stable and smooth than any other android build EVER, so if you want the smoothest android phone possible, the galaxy nexus is the way to go.
Extra Goodies:
First phone to run ICS. Once again, ICS was designed for this phone!!!!!! Get all the goodies from ICS. The highest resolution android screen EVER and its 4.65" Super AMOLED. And LTE and HSPA+ support. So if you are on verizon, sprint, tmobile, or att you can get it.
google.com/nexus
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Thanks for the detailed response Matt, but unfortunately like I mentioned I want a physical QWERTY keyboard, it's a must.

Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has a qwerty. The new xperia models are really great once the bloatware is gone and you get a new launcher. I have the Play, and it's gone way above my expectations for a single core model.
Having a perfected single core is better than a still-developing dual.
Edit: didn't see the part where you mention that model. Derp.
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captain67 said:
Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro has a qwerty. The new xperia models are really great once the bloatware is gone and you get a new launcher. I have the Play, and it's gone way above my expectations for a single core model.
Having a perfected single core is better than a still-developing dual.
Edit: didn't see the part where you mention that model. Derp.
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Thanks mate, also a helpful answer. I think I might choose the Xperia Pro after all, it's got a slightly faster processor than the Desire Z, and I've been extremely happy with Sony Ericsson phones in the past (w850i, **** yeah). I was likely going to remove Timescape anyway, I'll give it a whirl for a few days, but I think I'll prefer another launcher in the end.

I'm using go launcher ex. The customizations and ability to backup settings is great. Whenever I flash a ROM, I just restore the backup and the custom stuff is already done.
I tried the Desire Z when picking out phones. The landscape mode only worked when the qwerty was open, and the screen didn't seem very sharp.. I'm glad I waited an extra few months to get my phone because I would have been stuck with a Samsung, and missed out on the xperia play gamepad. The xplay literally popped out of nowhere in my country. I had no idea it was coming out beforehand.
My advice: look around mobile blog/review sites for previews/announces of upcoming models. You never know, a couple months from now something better suited to you might be released.
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[Q] Is this an OK "wife phone"?

Considering buying this for my wife as her first smartphone. Personally I have a SGS2.
Is this "free" from serious bugs, OK battery time, OK camera and fast enough for everyday use for a smartphone newbie?

borchgrevink said:
Considering buying this for my wife as her first smartphone. Personally I have a SGS2.
Is this "free" from serious bugs, OK battery time, OK camera and fast enough for everyday use for a smartphone newbie?
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YEs it is a very good wife phone!! Me and my dad both have nexus s, mine is rooted and custom roms and etc, his i stock..
A friend of mine also has a SGS2 and we dont discover any performance differences when using normal apps (only when opening heavy games the SGS2 is faster).
Battery life: I get at least 1 day with minimal 3 hours of screeen on time
So my advise, do it!

borchgrevink said:
Considering buying this for my wife as her first smartphone. Personally I have a SGS2.
Is this "free" from serious bugs, OK battery time, OK camera and fast enough for everyday use for a smartphone newbie?
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Sure is.
My GF bought her Nexus S about 6 months ago. She was about to buy a regular Nokia phone and I convinced her to buy an Android. At first she told me "what would I do with apps"
Now she has tons of apps installed, uses widgets, installed 3g watchdog all by herself, etc etc.
The only issue we had was with the launcher : the stock launcher was a bit unstable at time : she would drag an app shortcut around and when dropped, it would vanish... I suggested she installs ADW Launcher and since then, no problems.
Battery life is OK. She charges it up every 2 day with her regular use. If she plays games, a charge everynight is needed.
The camera is good (not great) but better than mine (currently owning a iPhone 3gs).
One thing : before anything else, unlock the phone and install ClockworkRecovery... That way you'll be able to do backups! We decided to do so after a week of usage and unlocking will wipe everything on the phone...
Great phone I wish I had one myself!

Hehe. I'd say the NS is better than your sgs2. So yes.
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I'd say only if your willing to flash a couple of roms. The stock experience is not as user friendly as the modded software. If you are not willing to flash maybe look at a sense or touchwiz (what you have on you sg2). This is a dev phone so its really intended for those interested in development. With that said, I'd get it for my wife since I'm willing to flash something like miui on it.

in a word, YES!
the nexus s is a great phone.

IMO , SGS2 is a better , brighter , newer , faster phone ... But BIG for a woman hand ....
Nexus S is a wonderful phone for developers and techy guys , would not be a good woman phone , just my opinion .... Fast yes , stylish yes , Camera not that great ...

mahanddeem said:
IMO , SGS2 is a better , brighter , newer , faster phone ... But BIG for a woman hand ....
Nexus S is a wonderful phone for developers and techy guys , would not be a good woman phone , just my opinion .... Fast yes , stylish yes , Camera not that great ...
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why is it not a good phone for a woman? what are you talking about?? you don't HAVE TO unlock bootloader, root, flash custom roms, kernels etc.
its a great phone for anyone. the camera is fine except in low light. no big deal.
and btw the op is using the sgs2 himself, its not a choice between the two!
i'm getting a gnex and my mom is taking my nexus s and she has used it already and loves it! my mom is terrible with phones and technology and has no problems with the nexus s.

nodstuff said:
why is it not a good phone for a woman? what are you talking about?? you don't HAVE TO unlock bootloader, root, flash custom roms, kernels etc.
its a great phone for anyone. the camera is fine except in low light. no big deal.
and btw the op is using the sgs2 himself, its not a choice between the two!
i'm getting a gnex and my mom is taking my nexus s and she has used it already and loves it! my mom is terrible with phones and technology and has no problems with the nexus s.
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what are you talking about ? I'm not picking a fight here , I said IMO ....
yes , Nexus S is excellent choice for those who want to unlock bootloader , install kernel and flash ROMs ..... otherwise , there are many Samsung options out there that might appeal to some people ... And yes the camera is not good for somebody who wants a good and fast camera (like I do) ... that's in addition to being a 5MP camera while most modern camera phones has 8MP (and faster performance)...
Developer stuffs are big plus to Nexus S , otherwise it's a phone among tens of other Samsung ones ... IMO

Ask your wife for her opinion (Or should it be a surprise?)
I- as a rather experienced Android user- would say it's pretty easy to use (like most Android phones with decent hardware like the Nexus S which should be rather cheap for what it does now), and also the UI is stylish imo (if you've updated to ICS).
The formfactor may be just right (no huge slap, 4 inches are possibly a perfect size for the use case. It is not a super slim device (in general not really the phone for design fetishists) but the curved screen makes it a bit easier to use, especially when using it for phone calls.

Go for galaxy plus. Ns had only one draw back...its single core hence ics experience isn't at its best.
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Arjoma said:
Ask your wife for her opinion (Or should it be a surprise?)
I- as a rather experienced Android user- would say it's pretty easy to use (like most Android phones with decent hardware like the Nexus S which should be rather cheap for what it does now), and also the UI is stylish imo (if you've updated to ICS).
The formfactor may be just right (no huge slap, 4 inches are possibly a perfect size for the use case. It is not a super slim device (in general not really the phone for design fetishists) but the curved screen makes it a bit easier to use, especially when using it for phone calls.
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Surprise... Thanks guys
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I love my Nexus S and it's easy to use as any Android phone. Hardware is beautiful but i consider Nexus S is overpriced if you are not going to "play" with roms and that kind of stuff.

It really depends what kind of woman your wife is, what she likes and what things she'd want to use the phone for. The only consensus I've seen among women's phones is size--very big screens such as the SGSII or GNex isn't popular. The NS is borderline large, but can still fit nicely in a purse or slim jeans and is comfortable to use with one hand. Some women would prefer smaller.
If camera's important for her, you might want to check out the SE Xperia line. I think the NS' camera is mediocre.
If she's not comfortable with flashing stuff, you can pick one of the stable custom ROM or kernel to improve on performance and battery life, then proceed to admire our shiny ICS with envy.

[Q] Atrix 2 users, please advise

I am based in india and want to have motorola atrix 2 as my first android smartphone due to it's features and appropriate pricing. I know the question might sound a bit subjective or useless to some people but i need honest comments about this device from it's users. Since in India, we don't get such high end phones on contract from carriers, we pay full price for the phone at the time of purchase. In the past, motorola has received loads of criticisms about bad quality smartphones, that's why m a bit confused. So please let me know how is the phone for long term usage, any major issues faced, your recommendation for this device or anything useful that you might like to add for a guy who is new to the android dual core devices. Users from India might also be able to show true picture of service quality and after sales.

chriz7388 said:
I am based in india and want to have motorola atrix 2 as my first android smartphone due to it's features and appropriate pricing. I know the question might sound a bit subjective or useless to some people but i need honest comments about this device from it's users. Since in India, we don't get such high end phones on contract from carriers, we pay full price for the phone at the time of purchase. In the past, motorola has received loads of criticisms about bad quality smartphones, that's why m a bit confused. So please let me know how is the phone for long term usage, any major issues faced, your recommendation for this device or anything useful that you might like to add for a guy who is new to the android dual core devices. Users from India might also be able to show true picture of service quality and after sales.
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Well, considering the phone was released only 7 months ago, it might be difficult to get an idea of long-term quality... but, of the 4 months I have had mine (dang, only 4 mos?? - seems a lot longer than that), I have had no problems (that I didn't cause myself ) - and I have put it through a lot of use and abuse... Others reportedly have had hardware issues, etc., but that's they way it goes with any device - there are always a few bad eggs with their own peculiarities and/or defects.
It's got great performance out of the box (for the price) and is built like a tank, if you ask me - a good choice for your first android. But, of course my opinion is biased and subjective...
Plus, with the fantastic (but few) developers we have for the A2, things are about to get even more interesting around here (i.e. plenty of ROMs and mods already available, a soon to be bypassed/unlocked bootloader, new kernels on the horizon (no rush, jim), ICS update relatively soon, etc...)

Its a good phone but i kinda regret for buyin it as i cud have got s2 for 5k bucks more. D camera sucks in takin photos. Very bad camera. However 1080p video is good. And motoblur ui is damn bad. It sucks. The lock screen is an asshole. I m usin go locker and go launcher to cover it up. And display too isnt that great. Colours aren't vibrant. No other major issues!
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From B'lore
Atrix 2 user since 6 months best phone for the price in India hope its around 23k. Best feature phone and cheap compared to sgs2
Blur ui isn't good probably an ics update would bring more possibilities.
Default Camera is just capable of taking decent pics. Worse in low light condition.
Battery life is Ok. If you are a hard user better get an extended battery + door from Amazon so battery remains whole day.
Overall good phone and will be better once its updated to ics. It also comes with 10 ea games in India.
Go 4 it.
Its worth Ur money.
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chriz7388 said:
I am based in india and want to have motorola atrix 2 as my first android smartphone due to it's features and appropriate pricing. I know the question might sound a bit subjective or useless to some people but i need honest comments about this device from it's users. Since in India, we don't get such high end phones on contract from carriers, we pay full price for the phone at the time of purchase. In the past, motorola has received loads of criticisms about bad quality smartphones, that's why m a bit confused. So please let me know how is the phone for long term usage, any major issues faced, your recommendation for this device or anything useful that you might like to add for a guy who is new to the android dual core devices. Users from India might also be able to show true picture of service quality and after sales.
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If you think lack of support is not important, good rms are not important, go for it.
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Atrix 2
In my opinion the Atrix 2 has the potential to be a great phone. I also have the Atrix 4g, which is an awesome phone and still competes with phones just now being released.
Motorola makes good phones that are durable... their software is a little lacking, but that is what this forum was created to fix right? The system ui and the camera quality are fair, to put it nicely. Once we start getting into the mods and tweaks with this phone I'm sure all of that will not be an issue.
The dual core phones are great for people that use their phone like a computer, meaning running numerous applications at once. If you just want a phone that takes pictures, makes phone calls, sends text messages, and let's you check your e-mail, then any smart phone will do whether it's dual core or not. Now if you plan to check your e-mail while you're playing a game and decide to take a picture and send it to your social networking site with an update on what you're doing, then dual core is for you.
For the money you can't beat the A2.

Thank you all for your replies... i got the Atrix 2 2day nd feeling the groove nd power of this beast... bt there was just 1 thing coming 2 my mind, maybe just out of curiosity... how can i see whether my Cpu is dual core or not... i checked out "about phone" in settings bt could nt find the words i wanted like "no. of cpu cores: 2"... smthing like that... Thank u all again...

Okay got it... the issue lies in gingerbread OS which i think does not recognize multiple cores seamlessly. Other then that, even the quadrant standard failed to identify the no. of cores when i went to the system info section in application. But i downloaded from market place and ran the CF-Bench which is specifically meant for benchmarking multi-core devices and it showed the true device information.... Atrix 2 scored well above htc sensation but was below sgs2...

Just want to hear what u think about wp7, and about future wp8

And i also want to see some comparisons between wp7 and other platform's
so i'm gonna begin..
I had a few android devices and now i have a Nokia lumia 710 , ..
On wp7 i like : - better looking UI
- wp has cheaper devices with good performance
- wp is more stable, and its smoother
- wp has more simple UI
On wp7 i dont like : - Not so many high graphic games like on android and ios
- Not so many applications
- The fact that allmost no one uses it
- The fact that not many roms are made for wp (and the ones that are available do not have so many features as android roms)
- U cant send anything via bluetooth (without a rom)
- U cant view folders and stuff (without a rom)
- U cant upload a video on youtube (u can wit a program like metrotube where u need to record with that program )
On Android i like : - It has many apps , and games
- u can easily root and unlock it
- when u root and unlock it u can do anything u want on it .. like overcolock it
- u will see more development on android stuff
- U have better graphics on android (but i belive wp8 will have much better graphics)
On Android i dont like : - the UI is kinda getting old and boring
-it needs stronger processors to run smoothly ( i think thats fixed with jellybean )
I never had a iOS device, but for now i can say many apps and not bad looking, TOO EXPENSIVE AND NEEDS MORE QUALITY !!!
AND I THINK WINDOWS IS A MUCH SMOOTHER AND BETTER OS FOR AVERAGE USE (like calling, texting, surfing the web, maybe play some game )
AND ANDROID IS LIKE A OS FOR PLAYING GAMES, DOWNLOADING APPS, AND HACKING IT( I MEAN LIKE OVERCLOCKING IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT )
So it would be perfect to make a os like in the mittle ( metro UI with possibilities like on android, )
AND FOR NOW IM A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR ANDROID, BUT I THINK FUTURE WP8 DEVICES WILL BE WAY BETTER THEN ANDROID

she omadoer
I agree that apple needs better quality applications as there is a lot of junk on the app store, though Windows barely has any apps!

Don't like the tiles of WP or the minimal ability to customize it, but it's good for people who want a pretty good looking UI and a smooth interface. They're definitely going to have to ramp up the app selection for it to become a viable platform.
Most new adopters buy based on recommendations, and there aren't a whole lot of people who are going to to recommend a Windows Phone.

syncby50 said:
I agree that apple needs better quality applications as there is a lot of junk on the app store, though Windows barely has any apps!
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windows has many apps that i searched for, and the number of apps on windows is rising very fast..

MissionImprobable said:
Don't like the tiles of WP or the minimal ability to customize it, but it's good for people who want a pretty good looking UI and a smooth interface. They're definitely going to have to ramp up the app selection for it to become a viable platform.
Most new adopters buy based on recommendations, and there aren't a whole lot of people who are going to to recommend a Windows Phone.
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yea in fact u cant customize anything on a wp D only wich tiles u want on the homescreen and where.. and te color of the ui ... even the roms dont have anything.. but they will add some new features in wp 7.8.. and more in 8
my brother has a samsung galaxy s3 .. and my phone runs smoother (nokia lumia 710)

Arent Windows phones for people over 65 ans soccer moms ?

I can't wait to see a luma looking phone +a huge screen + 41 MP camera that Nokia promised kind of
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leostimac said:
yea in fact u cant customize anything on a wp D only wich tiles u want on the homescreen and where.. and te color of the ui ... even the roms dont have anything.. but they will add some new features in wp 7.8.. and more in 8
my brother has a samsung galaxy s3 .. and my phone runs smoother (nokia lumia 710)
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That would be great if I wanted live tiles, but I don't.
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I can't wait to see a luma looking phone +a huge screen + 41 MP camera that Nokia promised kind of
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Don't hold your breath. It's going to be a while before Nokia or anyone can fit a sensor with resolution like that and the required optics into a slim phone body. I can assure you they didn't put it in a thick symbian device because they thought that would help to make it a top seller.

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That would be great if I wanted live tiles, but I don't.
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Don't hold your breath. It's going to be a while before Nokia or anyone can fit a sensor with resolution like that and the required optics into a slim phone body. I can assure you they didn't put it in a thick symbian device because they thought that would help to make it a top seller.
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but u need to accept that windows looks better ..
an they put a sensor like that on the 808 pureview .. so it would be possible , and the phone is not so thick..
BUT REALLY WHO NEEDS SUCH A CAMERA.. ON A PHONE? ..(i have a 5 mpx camera and i think even 2 mpx is enouth for me )

Bagbug said:
Arent Windows phones for people over 65 ans soccer moms ?
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why do you think like that ?
windows phone is getting better and better ..
u have to try windows and then say something..
the first few days i had it i didn't like it so much .. but now i think its a bit better then android, cuz it has comfortable, good looking ui, and i don't care so much about the customization of the tiles.. and with a rom i can do everithing what i have done on my android device..
SO GIVE ME YOUR OPINION .. not something like that -.-

saw man said:
I can't wait to see a lumia looking phone +a huge screen + 41 MP camera that Nokia promised kind of
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they said they will make a device with their pure view technology.. so.. ?
i think that will not be 41 mp so soon but they will have strong cameras at the begining .. probably like 15 mp
and they wil have big screens and strong processors and much ram... cant wait :crying:

41Mp? Wonder what the price point of the phone would end up being.

TBack said:
41Mp? Wonder what the price point of the phone would end up being.
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The lumia pureview has 41Mpx and it is cheaper than the lumia 900.
Anyway, I find the Metro UI (or whatever it's gonna be renamed to next week) to be too simply and boring. Sure, it's refreshing initially, especially after using several android and IOS devices, but it's ultimately too simple. Admittedly, I've never owned one, and my only experience of using Lumias comes from using my friend's phone.
And besides, everyone knows that the best phone from Nokia is still the N95 8Gb

I used a Samsung Focus for a week before returning back to Android a while ago. Simply put, it was rather boring and there were no good apps available. Any good apps were way overpriced. Don't really like metro UI, too simple and barely customizable. I can see how this would appeal to others however.
It was fast and fluid for sure. But the best part about it was the keyboard. The best keyboard I have ever used on a mobile device including qwertys! It was a dream.
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leostimac said:
why do you think like that ?
windows phone is getting better and better ..
u have to try windows and then say something..
the first few days i had it i didn't like it so much .. but now i think its a bit better then android, cuz it has comfortable, good looking ui, and i don't care so much about the customization of the tiles.. and with a rom i can do everithing what i have done on my android device..
SO GIVE ME YOUR OPINION .. not something like that -.-
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Good looking ? Rofl.
Windows phones are lame. I wouldnt use one even if it was free.

leostimac said:
but u need to accept that windows looks better ..
an they put a sensor like that on the 808 pureview .. so it would be possible , and the phone is not so thick..
BUT REALLY WHO NEEDS SUCH A CAMERA.. ON A PHONE? ..(i have a 5 mpx camera and i think even 2 mpx is enouth for me )
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WP is clean vs how Android looks stock, but it does not compare at all in terms of customization, so "u need to accept that."
As to your statement that 2MP is fine for you, you are certainly in the minority.

disclaimernotice said:
The lumia pureview has 41Mpx and it is cheaper than the lumia 900.
Anyway, I find the Metro UI (or whatever it's gonna be renamed to next week) to be too simply and boring. Sure, it's refreshing initially, especially after using several android and IOS devices, but it's ultimately too simple. Admittedly, I've never owned one, and my only experience of using Lumias comes from using my friend's phone.
And besides, everyone knows that the best phone from Nokia is still the N95 8Gb
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The best phone is the 3310 .. and u really need to have a windows phone to tell if its good or bad

MissionImprobable said:
WP is clean vs how Android looks stock, but it does not compare at all in terms of customization, so "u need to accept that."
As to your statement that 2MP is fine for you, you are certainly in the minority.
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yea android is better for customization .. but i dont know.. i had a android device, i loved it, had bunch of hacks and changed roms .. but i kinda like this more.. and i need all the apps, games, and hacks that i need ..

Windows phones don't respect your freedom. RMS verdict: nope.jfif.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;

First I've used WP7.5 and android 4.1 a.k.a. Jelly Bean
windows maybe smooth but its ui looks boring kinda bland with no way to customize it at least not much or easy so all that windows has is smooth in there favor
Now jelly bean my first experience of it was a custom ROM and to get it to boot it had almost nothing about as many features as a windows phone and it was running tons smoother than windows (yes that is possible) and that was without butter and now I have a almost full functioning jb with butter and as long as I'm not running 10 apps in the background it runs just as smooth as my mother's Samsung focus and the app base is big and its growing faster than iPhone
So what android has
apps
Customizeablity
Fairly smooth (I'm running jelly bean on a single core 1.2Ghz processor) with only a small lag every once in a while
Settings and features galore
P.s. my mother is not happy with her windows phone she wants me to go get a gs3 and then give her my android
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Get the XZP or XZ1?

Hi,
I am thinking to get a used xzp or an xz1. I don't care much between their sizes but I do care for camera updates/features (and os updates). Which one would you go with?
Thanks!

If you care about software, then go for the XZ1. It has Treble, it has display flash and a new Dialer UI. The camera performance is the same as with the XZ P.

The XZP is a bigger phone and has a 4K HDR display. If you care about that then go XZP.

I think xz1 is appropriate.Xz1 is born with Oreo(8),but Xzp is born with Nougat(7).According to reliable news,Sony smartphone can update two system version,so xz1 can update to Android 10,but xzp can only update to Android 9, despite they have same CPU.
Forgive my grammar mistakes, after all, I'm a senior middle school student in China.

耶和华 said:
According to reliable news,Sony smartphone can update two system version,so xz1 can update to Android 10,but xzp can only update to Android 9
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I would never look at that. When the official support is over, you root the phone and install custom Firmware.
I have Xperia V, which was released with 4.0 and got updated to 4.3, I own an Xperia ZR that began its path with 4.1 and ended on 5.0, and today both devices happily run 7.1.2.
You're on XDA DEVELOPERS FORUM, what the hell are you talking about, buying a different device instead of the one you want, because it's going to have 6 months less support? :laugh::laugh::laugh:
p.s. never apologize for your English until you're told you're bad at it. Most of the people who speak English are not native to English language anyway. Like myself, and most of the people at this forum.

saved-j said:
p.s. never apologize for your English until you're told you're bad at it. Most of the people who speak English are not native to English language anyway. Like myself, and most of the people at this forum.
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I agree, most people on the Sony forums on xda has "poor" English. Mostly because Sony phones are more popular in Asia and EU than they are in the US. So the majority of Sony users are not native English speakers.

nahsha said:
Hi,
I am thinking to get a used xzp or an xz1. I don't care much between their sizes but I do care for camera updates/features (and os updates). Which one would you go with?
Thanks!
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Get the XZ Premium. I'm a happy XZP user and i would recommed it to anyone looking to upgrade to a good Oreo phone. It might not get the "P" android update but it is a reliable phone, it does take good picture and 2 days battery( 4g/h+ or wifi always on, 2+ hours of music and video streaming per day, social networking, internet browsing, but no games). Only thing i wish it was louder: speakers volume. I never tried the XZ1 but just like you i had to choose betwwen the two and you know what i picked.

ross23 said:
The XZP is a bigger phone and has a 4K HDR display. If you care about that then go XZP.
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Only 4k in the album and video app, the XZ2 premium have a 4k display.

vader20 said:
Get the XZ Premium. I'm a happy XZP user and i would recommed it to anyone looking to upgrade to a good Oreo phone. It might not get the "P" android update but it is a reliable phone, it does take good picture and 2 days battery( 4g/h+ or wifi always on, 2+ hours of music and video streaming per day, social networking, internet browsing, but no games). Only thing i wish it was louder: speakers volume. I never tried the XZ1 but just like you i had to choose betwwen the two and you know what i picked.
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100% agreed here go for XZP.. .... thing is OP Youll find almost all phones nowadays are 2 years OS updates, 3 yrs security, including Google due to the fact that alot of people, at one time, tended to change their phones every year..
However, now-a-days in 2017 and more-so now in 2018... more and more people are holding onto their older devices, due to flagships being far too expensive (iPhone X, Galaxy Note 9, Xperia XZ2Prem..etc) and the so-called "Updates and New Flagships" features are so small and incremental.. that the huge prices dont justify these "little" upgrades...
Ive just come back to SONY after a break, with a Pre-owned, yet BNIB XZP... and while the camera is a little quirky and requires some tinkering to get the best out of it (I found using the hardware camera shutter button on the XZP caused camera shake and focus issues on images.. no matter how steady I held it, but pressing the "Virtual" shutter button on screen produced much better results.. )... Its a fantastic device.. still getting 6 weekly - 2 Monthly updates, great screen, Speakers are excellent and much louder now on Oreo than they were under 7 Nougart.. although could be even louder, 3.5mm Jack.. battery life is good..
And we will "eventually", get Android P...
https://theleaker.com/sony-xperia-android-p-9-0-update/
Worth the cost over an XZ1

Hi,
I already got the Xperia xz almost new for 250$ CDN.
The main reason is that xz is dowmgradeable to 6 (for drm keys backup)
Android P is okay but based on what I was reading in the past it was only a possibility for the XZP..
Battery wise Android 6 is way better though but for now I'm enjoying 8.
Thx

nahsha said:
Hi,
I already got the Xperia xz almost new for 250$ CDN.
The main reason is that xz is dowmgradeable to 6 (for drm keys backup)
Android P is okay but based on what I was reading in the past it was only a possibility for the XZP..
Battery wise Android 6 is way better though but for now I'm enjoying 8.
Thx
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Good to hear you got sorted... The xz is a great device, I know it's still being updated like the premium... i don't really go for downgrading or custom ROMs myself though, and the screen is a little on the small side for me...
Enjoy ?