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Galaxy Tab 2? ICS: WTF?

WTF is this??
http://www.sammobile.com/2012/02/13/this-is-the-galaxy-tab-2/#.Tzk_2VnRwqc
Wow.
quoted from a cnet article..
The Galaxy Tab 2 will also become the first mobile device from Samsung to ship with its AllShare Play service. ????
So this was holding up our 4.0 update == the same hardware! doh!
to hit stores this march. I dont see anyreason why we wouldnt have our "update" by then.
clever marketing strategy Sammy, does this mean the new update will automagically transform our devices to become the new "Galaxy Tab 2"?
probably still no phone function in US.

I saw that too on Engadget, and I do not know if it's a good news or a bad one .
That "thing" seems to be quite the same as out G7+, so I wonder if we'd be able to flash the ICS FW straight from that one, before our device will be officially updated
By the way, I believe it's just the same device , slightly modified due to the recent apple/samsumg legal battle.
P_

http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/tablets/hands-on-samsung-galaxy-tab-2-review-1062954
hands on..
lets just hope for a leaked FW anyday now..
I think they may have been testing the sale of the 7+ in diff regions, and may release this as a universal release. except for US of course getting a Wifi only most likely.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1495134
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nice.
so we do have better hardware.
they probably also trying to cut costs as well as the processor issue.
well good to know we have the better hardware, so any ICS leaks wont work 100% then.
Wonder if its the end of the line for the 7+ ?
another forum on xda hopefully which means good fur us dev wise.. even if their ROMs wont run on our equpment.

Looks like they are going back to the Tegra2. Why break something when it's not fixed.

Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor, e.g. Tegra 2), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.

This is becoming a bit ridiculous. The Tab Plus is not even properly introduced to market and we already have another version out?
This new one will be less expensive, maybe much less.
I would not be surprised if people start getting confused with
tab 7
tab 7 2
tab 7 plus
tab 7.7
and then all wifi and wifi/3g versions..
Why did they present it at a small show in Prague instead of MWC in few days? Does it make sense to you?
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rkmj said:
Here's the thing. Aside from the fact that it has a lower clock speed on the processor, (possibly a different, cheaper processor, e.g. Tegra 2), and the fact that it has no LED flash, lower resolution front facing camera; if you look carefully at the official press photos, you will notice that it is a bit more "touchwizzed" (look at the icons, they are a lot like the icons on the phone and the OG Galaxy Tab 7, (with colored squares behind each app icon.) It seems that this may in fact be Samsung's answer to the new ASUS 7in, $250 ICS tablet. If this is Samsung's "budget tablet" then it makes sense. If this is true, it will show up on all of the carriers, (subsidized and contracted, of course,) and may hit retailers as a sub-$300 tablet. At that price point, this makes sense.
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The asus 250$ tablet is a tegra 3.

legion1911 said:
The asus 250$ tablet is a tegra 3.
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I stand corrected. I was getting a bit confused. The $250 tablet, (which is still little more than a CES teaser,) is slated to be the ME370T. (I won't comment on build quality yet, since ASUS has serious issues building even their top of the line devices, i.e. Transformer Prime) The tablet I was referring to was the official $250 EeePad MeMo (ME171) which will have a 7-inch WXGA (1,280 x 800) IPS capacitive touchpanel, a 1.2GHz dual-core Qualcomm 8260 processor, a gigabyte of memory, 16GB / 32GB of storage, 802.11b/g/n WiFi, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, a 1.2 megapixel front / 5 megapixel rear camera (with 1080p recording), an A-GPS sensor, gyroscope, proximity sensor and a micro-USB port. There's a 4,400mAh Li-polymer battery reportedly good for some 8.5 hours of video playback, and Android 4.0.1. The unit checks in with dimensions of 7.8- x 4.6- x 0.50-inches (and a weight of 14.2 ounces). Seeing as they haven't even announced a release date for the Tegra 3 ME370T, I have a feeling that the Galaxy Tab 2 is going to be competing with the similarly specced ME171. I hope that clears up any confusion I may have caused with my lack of clarity.

Its not quite a teaser. Reps from my company had it in hand at CES. It's pretty much official and will likely be a game changer, if Asus doesn't botch the roll out.
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lrs421 said:
Its not quite a teaser. Reps from my company had it in hand at CES. It's pretty much official and will likely be a game changer, if Asus doesn't botch the roll out.
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Unfortunately, it was a prototype unit, (and it felt like it,) While I don't doubt that Asus intends to bring it to market, I do doubt that they'll be able to make it very well at that price point with the types of parts they are claiming. Also, it's ASUS, they'll botch the roll out. They always do. Their devices always launch with build quality issues.

I wasn't there personally but a prototype makes sense. Looks like we're going to have to wait and see. I agree that a budget tab makes the most sense. With the 7+ being the big brother.
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lrs421 said:
I wasn't there personally but a prototype makes sense. Looks like we're going to have to wait and see. I agree that a budget tab makes the most sense. With the 7+ being the big brother.
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Will the average consumer understand the difference between tab plus and tab 2?
Many will think a Tab *2* is newer and better then a Tab *Plus*. like a S 2 is better then a S plus.

legion1911 said:
Will the average consumer understand the difference between tab plus and tab 2?
Many will think a Tab *2* is newer and better then a Tab *Plus*. like a S 2 is better then a S plus.
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I don't know. Depends how they market it. The cynic in me says that the 7+ will become an after thought to both consumers and Samsung. It wouldn't be the first time they've done it.
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All I want to know is will the 7+ get ICS?

Another one: Note 10.1 vs. Sony Xperia Tablet

So here I am getting ready to order the note from best buy...then the new Sony tablet is announced. Will be $400 for 16gb, with sd card expansion.
Will run on tegra3 with a 6000mAh battery. It'll have a 9.4 inch screen, not sure how much smaller is that compared to 10.1 screen.
It does look very beautiful, even without the s pen....what do you guys think?
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCooO09Vhwo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Well it doesn't have a pen.
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yumms said:
what do you guys think?
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I think the Teg2 Tablet S it is replacing was embarassing from a company like Sony and that this evolution of it is a better effort. I accepted the 720P display on the Note in order to get the additional features. What additional features are you getting on the Sony tablet that makes putting up with a 720P display at premium prices acceptable?

mitchellvii said:
Well it doesn't have a pen.
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No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.

HasC said:
No Pen, no go for me too. The pen is way too useful, no matter what the new tablets look like.
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Yes if you don't need a pen just get an iPad3. Without the pen the Note is just a fast tablet with an average screen. The pen is the thing.
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Get the GN 10.1. Even though I like Sony the S tablet is just a more expensive and slightly larger Nexus 7. Don't waste your time with the dumbPad3.

You should probably decide if you want any type of alternate input method. If you don't, the Note is not really a factor unless Sony build quality is as poor as Asus. Personally, after reading the TF300/TF700 problems threads, I'd give Sony a chance before buying an Asus. You could also look the Lenovo S2110 (Qualcom S4 Krait). It's very price compatible with the other tabs ($400 for 16GB, 1280x800 IPS Display).
If you are at all attracted using a pen, get the Note.

Well never mind, here is a demo of web browsing on Sony's tablet....yikes
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/29/sony-xperia-tablet-s-hands-on/

It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....

shinzz said:
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.

BarryH_GEG said:
Too bad Demandarin isn't here; he'd get a kick out of me defending Teg3. I have a Teg3 One X. After its last update a week ago, it outperforms the Exynos SGS3 in Quadrant and AnTuTu (although Mali kicks GeForce’s butt in pure GPU tests, especially off-screen). With the performance boost the update improved battery life at the same time. There was initially some flickering issues from dynamic power management but they were cleaned up after the first update. Moral of the story: it's not the "chip" but what the manufacturers do with it that matters most.
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That flickering issue that you speak of... well, pretty much all Tegra 3 devices have it at some stage (also in various f/m updates... some go away, some return). That includes Nexus 7....
As for benchmarks ... too bad it doesn't translate into real world performance. Browsing in any Tegra 3 devices that I have tried (Prime, Acer A500 & 700, Toshiba tablet) has been absolute nightmare. My HP Touchpad easily outperforms all 3 of those Tegra 3 tablets....

shinzz said:
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Can't say if it's software or hardware but my Nexus 7 hangs in Dead Trigger everyone so often prompting to wait, report or close with the only real option to close and reopen it. Also, I notice the Tegra3 runs rather warm but probably because of the 40nm process. GN 10.1, on the other hand, has never hung in Dead Trigger and the Exynos runs rather cool.

Agreed...It is simple...Tegra 3 vs. Exynos ... no competition...
shinzz said:
It has Tegra 3 SoC. That is a code for.. "avoid at all cost"...
Nexus 7 is the only "successful" Tegra 3 device.... but even that device has QC issue (granted, made by Asus). But in general, Tegra 3 devices in general have issues....
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Hmm..
It is technically $100 cheaper, but several features lacking
1. Tegra 3 chip, which is NOT as good as the one in the infinity. Exynos chip on the Galaxy Note 10.1 is equivalent for infinity's tegra 3 chip on CPU side and for GPU side Exynos is better; hence, easily concluded CPU/GPU is inferior.
2. Memory. Standard 1GB memory, not 2GB as in Galaxy Note.
3. Standard 160 DPI screen & Smaller Screen....
4. No S-pen.
Personally I didn't care about S-pen in fact, I haven't used it since the day #1 I got the system... But still Samsung seemed to have some reason for its premium price despite lack of HD Screen i.e. better GPU, memory, and S-pen. $100 cheaper, but Xperia is inferior to infinity and galaxy note in every aspect. I just cannot believe why Sony even thought this would sell at all... They should have at least included HD display especially with smaller screen...

Sorry. Not for me. I'm very happy.

Let's not forget that it's a Sony. All of the good things you've been hearing about Sony's handset division in terms of developer friendliness do NOT apply to their tablets!

Anyone now start considering about Huawei Mediapad FHD?

When initially Mediapad FHD was announced, most of us said well it's Huawei. Bad reputation company... But with so many QC issue ASUS is having, I am start thinking ASUS is as good/bad as Huawei (well I actually never tried Huawei so maybe I should not say this..).
As far as the specification on paper, this unit could be equal or perhaps even superior to the Infinity.
Type
Type
Tablet
Platform
Operating System
Android 4.0
Transfer Rate
LTE Cat4 (DL 150Mbps / UL 50Mbps), DC-HSPA+ (DL 84Mbps / UL 42Mbps)
CPU
Cortex-A9 Quad 1.2GHz
Appearance
Dimension (H X W X D)
257.4 × 175.9 × 8.8mm
Weight
~580g
Display
Size
10.1-inch
Resolution
1920*1200 IPS
Camera
Camera resolution
Front: 1.3Mp (720p Video Calling); Rear: 8Mp AF (1080p Camcording), Dual LED Flash
Capacity
Memory
8 / 16 / 32 / 64GB options
RAM
1GB
Connectivity
Wi-Fi
802.11b / 802.11g / 802.11n
Bluetooth
Bluetooth 3.0
Entertainment
Video player
[email protected](MPEG-4 / H.264 / VC-1 / WMV-9), with formats of MP4 / 3GP / 3G2 / RM / RMVB / ASF / FLAC / APE / MOV etc.
Music player
MP3 / WMA / FLAC / APE / WAV / RA / Ogg / MIDI / 3GP etc.
Headphone
3.5mm stereo audio jack, 2*Stereo speaker, Build-in MIC
Location
Location
GPS/A-GPS
Sensors
Accelerometer sensor
Supported
Ambient light sensor
Supported
e-Compass
Supported
Vibrator
Supported
Battery*
Type
Li-Poly
Capacity
6600mAh
There will be attachable keyboard with extended battery option.
The key specification here is CPU/GPU. Despite slower CPU clock speed it has better GPU (at least core # wise). This is like Exynos chip that Samsung has. Simply looking at New Ipad its CPU is mere 1GHz Dual Core, but GPU is where its power is. If you look at Benchmarks Android tablet beats CPU power but GPU power is far inferior. Exynos chip on SIII and Galaxy Note 10.1 comes the closest but yet far away. But considering how stable Galaxy Note 10.1 is (even on ICS), the stability must be coming from the memory (2GB) or GPU or maybe Nand (perhaps combination of all). So if mediapad does it right, it may function better overall than the Infinity, which definitely has some bottle neck somewhere.
I am not saying the MediaPad FHD would for sure be superior, but as Infinity having so many issues, giving a try on MediaPad FHD might not be a bad idea.
*Too bad MediaPad FHD gave up on 2GB memory as originally planned.

No because:
1. Huawei doesn't get dev support, ASUS gets some.
2. 1.2 ghz vs 1.7 ghz
3. 1 GB of RAM is the same
3. Not IPS+
Yes because:
1. Questionably better quality control

Keion said:
No because:
1. Huawei doesn't get dev support, ASUS gets some.
2. 1.2 ghz vs 1.7 ghz
3. 1 GB of RAM is the same
3. Not IPS+
Yes because:
1. Questionably better quality control
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#1 is probably big on tech savy people which I guess majority of people on XDA.
#2, again I don't know much importance. Exynos on Galaxy Note 10.1 is 1.4 GHz but essentially equivalent Atuntu score and actually overall more smooth/stable than the Infinity (when infinity is performing at its peak with tweaks, I think it can match but not consistent and definitely not for everyone)
#3, I don't know why Huawei dropped this... It originally had 2GB RAM
#4. Hmm... Even with IPS+ under the direct sunlight I still had difficulty seeing and inside, I don't need IPS+, so for me IPS+ was never needed option.
Now for QC, never knows but with current QC track record of ASUS I am seeing, I cannot imagine any company could be much worse than that.
I think key Yes. here (Potential) is "16 core GPU."
But again who knows... I'm just throwing this here because I really want to have FHD tablet.... but cannot go back to Infinity until the ANR after ANR issue gets solved..
P.S. I never found Keion that interesting... but I know it is extremely highly rated anime.

HoushaSen said:
#1 is probably big on tech savy people which I guess majority of people on XDA.
#2, again I don't know much importance. Exynos on Galaxy Note 10.1 is 1.4 GHz but essentially equivalent Atuntu score and actually overall more smooth/stable than the Infinity (when infinity is performing at its peak with tweaks, I think it can match but not consistent and definitely not for everyone)
#3, I don't know why Huawei dropped this... It originally had 2GB RAM
#4. Hmm... Even with IPS+ under the direct sunlight I still had difficulty seeing and inside, I don't need IPS+, so for me IPS+ was never needed option.
Now for QC, never knows but with current QC track record of ASUS I am seeing, I cannot imagine any company could be much worse than that.
I think key Yes. here (Potential) is "16 core GPU."
But again who knows... I'm just throwing this here because I really want to have FHD tablet.... but cannot go back to Infinity until the ANR after ANR issue gets solved..
P.S. I never found Keion that interesting... but I know it is extremely highly rated anime.
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H-how dare you insult my favorite anime!
Joking aside, the main reason for instability on the infinity are the FHD screen (which the mediapad shares) and the IO issues (which the mediapad does not have).
Also wanted to add the infinity has a 12(+?) core GPU.

Keion said:
H-how dare you insult my favorite anime!
Joking aside, the main reason for instability on the infinity are the FHD screen (which the mediapad shares) and the IO issues (which the mediapad does not have).
Also wanted to add the infinity has a 12(+?) core GPU.
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I hope fhd is not the issue but it could be... if so, until next generation cpu gpu combo comes, the issue will not be solved.. infinity has 12 gpu cores and note has 16. So gl benchmark of note is the best of all android tablets still behind new iPad.
I liked bakemonogatari though.

Never heard of 'em...

no
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Not buying cheap chinese knockoff. Almost no Chinese company I knows of has the ability to perform effective QC like the Taiwanese/Japanese/American companies do.
The closest one I can think of is Lenovo and their line of computers are still a long way from the old Thinkpads of yore (the corporations who stopped using thinkpads are a clear indication of that).

Funny considering that all iPhones and iPads are made by a Chinese company.
Huawei is fast becoming one of the largest telecom companies in the world.
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clenz said:
Funny considering that all iPhones and iPads are made by a Chinese company.
Huawei is fast becoming one of the largest telecom companies in the world.
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There's a difference between manufacturing and quality control.

Well Huawei, is still quite unknown, but the latest phones were not that bad.
I just don't understand why they wait so long to release their products. For example the new quad phone was announced for April? and still nothing. Now they have to fight against s3,hox and soon Note 2 and I phone 5,which is pretty hard.
For the pad is the same. Against note 10.1, tf700 and "new", ipad-I don't really so a chance. Well prove me wrong.
Nevertheless I will take a look at it, just to compare.
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tschulieh said:
Well Huawei, is still quite unknown, but the latest phones were not that bad.
I just don't understand why they wait so long to release their products. For example the new quad phone was announced for April? and still nothing. Now they have to fight against s3,hox and soon Note 2 and I phone 5,which is pretty hard.
For the pad is the same. Against note 10.1, tf700 and "new", ipad-I don't really so a chance. Well prove me wrong.
Nevertheless I will take a look at it, just to compare.
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True. But with its reputation, only way huawei can prove is when compared to more known brand. Otherwise, most would simply dismiss by saying but tf700 is coming soon... I really like fhd so hope either this or tf700 next update is the answer.

I'm thinking about the Mediapad FHD.
A combination of the lack of 3g support on the Infinity & Asus' stupid pricing in the UK means I will be looking at other options.

Actually, after returning my TF700 after a few days (freezing , light bleed, ands creen input Issues), I now think the way to go will be the new Microsoft Surface or some other Windows RT tablet , assuming they can get developers to create bunches of apps like Android and Apple (But I remember that app creation started off slow for both these platforms as well - Do you remember how few Ipda apps there were at the beginning) Hardwarewise it is a gamechanger. If you get a chance, watch the keynote video on it. I don't think QC will be an issue - I think it will be Applelike detail, but with a system that allows expandability via USB and sd, which is what I want, as well as that new keyboard. We are so close to release now that it would be a mistake to jump into another platform without at least seing what is released.
I really wanted to have Aius work for me but after 2 failed attempts (Prime and Infinity) I give up.

dknotty said:
I'm thinking about the Mediapad FHD.
A combination of the lack of 3g support on the Infinity & Asus' stupid pricing in the UK means I will be looking at other options.
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Well UK will get MediaPad before US so hope to see some review from there.
Actually, after returning my TF700 after a few days (freezing , light bleed, ands creen input Issues), I now think the way to go will be the new Microsoft Surface or some other Windows RT tablet , assuming they can get developers to create bunches of apps like Android and Apple (But I remember that app creation started off slow for both these platforms as well - Do you remember how few Ipda apps there were at the beginning) Hardwarewise it is a gamechanger. If you get a chance, watch the keynote video on it. I don't think QC will be an issue - I think it will be Applelike detail, but with a system that allows expandability via USB and sd, which is what I want, as well as that new keyboard. We are so close to release now that it would be a mistake to jump into another platform without at least seing what is released.
I really wanted to have Aius work for me but after 2 failed attempts (Prime and Infinity) I give up.
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Windows 8 tablet is definitely interesting player. But based on the recent IFA Berlin, I feel like their target audience is slightly different. Here is why.
Windows 8 RT
This is more of direct competition to Android Tablet & iPad. But just as you mentioned, it will likely to take sometime before app market catches up with that of iPad or Android. Both had phone background so though they weren't initially optimized, they had enough application from get go. Whereas, Windows 8 the biggest advantage (could have been) was to use all Windows software poool, which RT does not allow and instead asking programmers to create Metro specific applications. So question is how long will it be? 6 months? 1 year? No RT tablet that is announced thus far have neither FHD screen nor inductive pen capabilities i.e. lacking main selling features of Infinity or Galaxy Note 10.
My guess is by the time the Metro market matures, there will be so many more RT tablet with cheaper prices, and of course better specs. So personally, RT is a pass.
Windows 8 Pro
Samsung Ativ Smart Pro actually have phenomenal spec with FHD, pen support, and support for all windows applications. However, its battery life is mere 5 hours DVD playtime (Infinity claims 9.5 hours and in my real life use I get only 5-6 hours, so who knows what 5 hours really become). The weight is quite heavy.
At this point, I feel like if Samsung really releases P10 Android Tablet, that would be the one but given such recent release of Galaxy Note 10.1, new tablet won't probably come for at least 6 months.
Certainly interesting time for tablet.

I bought the TF101 a long time ago, and after reading about the tf700, I've come to the conclusion that Nvidia Tegra sucks. I still can't watch movies at full frame rates on my TF101. Also the whole I/O problem really annoys me. However, software wise, Asus rules. Fantastic support for the tf101. Also, from what I read Tegra 4 may change things.
I bought a Huawei U8800 about the same time as the TF101. Hardware was pretty good, especially for the price. Software (especially OS optimization and updates) was terrible to say the least.
I'm not sure which tablet I want to buy. If Asus was using a different (read: better) processor than the Tegra 3, there would be no question. But I felt kinda burned on the Tegra 2 and the I/O situation. If the mediapad is significantly cheaper, I may go that route.
Also, I don't really use custom roms and dev stuff, so I don't factor that in. However, from my experience with the U8800, China has a huge dev community, and The XDA developers are aware of it and borrow from and work with them. So you will get some decent dev community support with Huawei, not as much as with Asus though.

Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?

Why are there no high end 4" android phones? Does everyone think bigger is better?
This article raised a very good question I've been wondering for a while now too:
http://www.zdnet.com/dear-android-manufacturers-please-sell-me-the-phone-that-i-want-7000006437/
There are plenty of android phones to choose from. But every North American manufacturer's flagship phones are 4.6+ inches and they just seem to be getting bigger! I don't want a bigger phone...but I want flagship hardware. How many >4.5 inch android phones have top tier hardware (quadcore, HD screen, top end GPU). ZERO.:crying:
The one thing I think Apple has right is the size of the iPhone 5. It fits very comfortably in your hand. I can fit the Galaxy Nexus in one hand, but I cannot reach all areas of the screen with my thumb if I have 4 fingers gripping the side of the phone. I can stretch if I put my pinky on the bottom and only 3 on the side, but if I add a case to the mix then it becomes uncomfortable again.
Now I admit I have smaller hands, but I'm sure others have this issue as well. I just was shocked to read through the comments on the story to see how many people avidly almost "attacked" the author for his opinion. Thinking it was ridiculous to expect options like this. And that people with smaller hands should just be content with outdated hardware on smaller phones.
Anyone else who wish the sizes would go back down? Or at least have options of smaller models with the same high end hardware? Was really hoping for a 4-4.3" Nexus 4...but I know that's not going to happen Oh well...here's to hoping it might happen with the Nexus 5...

I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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lowbudge said:
I think it has to do with utility anymore. Screen size is pretty much a deciding factor for most because of what they can do or what they feel they need with their device. I agree with you on size but do not think one handing your phone shouldn't be a factor.
However, 4" is a nice juicy screen size for anyone. But then again there is the utility thing to think about. Who really uses a smart phone just to make calls or view an email/text anymore?
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to be honest i am absolutely agree with u.
now adays smartphone is used for browsing and multimedia rather than make a call and sms or email.
u can get samsung galaxy s3 mini at least.
IMHO. nexus series will look like this in the future. i believe google has make some kind of standardization of their phone model.
4.65 with a shape like galnex.
its not the screen size that i really concern. but the battery life...

There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.

The new Galaxy S3 Mini just came out! It has the SPECS of a flagship devices, but has a 4" screen!

I prefer big displays mainly because tiny onscreen keyboards are hard to use.

Alton (Halo 2) said:
There is a high end phone that's 4" its called the Droid Incredible 4G LTE
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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
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Screens are huge because we demand high definition screens. 720x1280 doesn't come cheap in a 4inch screen. Also leaves more room for battery and the extra lte antenna.
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Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?

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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.

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4.3 with buttons is the same profile as the Galaxy Nexus without. Maybe a little narrower.
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I didn't think about the buttons. I guess I couldn't really say unless I held it in my hands, but it seems noticeably smaller on paper:
Xiaomi MI-2 Dimensions:
126 x 62 x 10.2 mm (4.96 x 2.44 x 0.40 in)
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Samsung Galaxy Nexus I9250 Dimensions:
135.5 x 67.9 x 8.9 mm (5.33 x 2.67 x 0.35 in)
Not a HUGE difference...again, I'd prefer a 4" phone where the difference would be more noticeable. But if these specs can be squeezed into 4.3" on the cheap from a no name brand, my point is it's definitely possible to do 4" from a big name brand manufacturer.

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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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I think part of the reason there isn't much interest in a north American equivalent, is because, it's a common myth throughout the world that we believe 'bigger is better' ...
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It is a common idea in North America that "bigger is better," as well as "more is better." Just check out the average BMI in the US... kinda high up there.... and it ain't muscle mass.... check out Texas as an example.
I too was very concerned with my future phone before I upgraded to the Gnex. I had a 4.3" Droid Charge. I thought that anything over 4.5" was pushing my limits, but I slowly became very comfortable with the current Gnex size. However, I still do not want anything larger than 4.65"... so I'm hoping the future Nexus phones after the Nexus 4 don't get any bigger.
Side note: w00t SF Giants FTW!!!!!

I think the current nexus screen size is perfect imo

maybe the nexus 3 will grant your wish?

I guess your the odd one out that manufacturers don't care about
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High end Android phone will never be released in 4inch. That's how they make them different from iphone in the first place. There are more ppl want bigger phone. And tbh, ppl use both hand to type even on iphone... 4inch high end flagship phone is... meh... it will never happen..
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I guess I should have been more clear in my title. I meant 4" flagship devices, top tier...not just "high end". The Droid is only dual core, 1GB of ram, 8GB of storage and isn't 720P.
Take a look at the specs of the Chinese phone listed in the article...
"720p 4.3-inch screen with a Retina-display-busting pixel density of 342ppi. Quad-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor, 2GB of RAM, Jelly Bean and up to 32GB of storage. No microSD, sadly, and of course there may be support and warranty issues, but this ideally-sized powerhouse will retail at less than £250."
So It can be done. And on the affordable side even (~$400). My question is why is there no equivalent of this in the North American market?
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The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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The Chinese manufactured phones (xaomi etc) are produced in small amounts and are only cheap because of excess chip production. They're really hard to find in any market.
The Droid Incredible LTE is a great phone. The Snapdragon S4 is no slouch and the screen is rather beautiful. If you're expecting a 720p screen on a 4 inch device...please...come down to earth with the rest of us. The only way you're getting that is if you buy an iPhone or somehow get your hands on one of the Chinese phones.
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iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/

A 4" top tier device now would probably be way more costly to manufacture than the usual 4.5"+ screen size device. And there will probably be very very few quad cores, if any in a device that small. Battery and all the other top tier accoutrements just won't be feasible. You will have to settle for a sacrifice somewhere. Last years top end specs in 4" form factor is probably best you can expect for a year or two.
Off topic but I wish Samsung took a chance on the galaxy premier and made it just like the nexus instead of Samsung's typical hardware button accompanied by two capacitive buttons. Better GPU and CPU. And add stock android. Samsung is probably too scared to lose any marketshare by alienating a device. What is wrong with taking small chances on a mid end device? All the people skipping the lg nexus 4 would probably take a serious at the i9260 if it had Google's now standard software navigation, with upgraded specs aaaaaaand a SD card slot. Smdh Samsung.
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iphone 5 is not a 720p display... close but not a true 720p
http://www.zdnet.com/will-the-iphone-5-display-remain-competitive-7000004012/
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My point exactly though. You can't get true 720p in a 4 inch screen and if you did you'd have to use a microscope to read anything.
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Why such a long gap for the 700 model replacement?

The only thing that kept this device from being a better device was the GPU not designed to support the 1080p for pushing anything efficiently except video.
Surprised there has not been an update yet with a better GPU and memory channel efficiency. Seems the newer Qualcomm chips woud work great if the wait is Tegra 4 mass availability, which is being allocated first to Nvidia's Shield.

I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.

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Surprised there has not been an update yet
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The TF700 is not even one year old, and most other tablets still have crappy 1280*800 screens.
The only current device that looks interesting is the Sony Xperia Tablet Z - with a Snapdragon S4 Pro and 2 GB RAM, the same 1920*1200 screen resolution as our Infinity, thin and light, and even waterproof. No "transformer" dock though.

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I suspect the Infinity hasn't sold enough to warrant them making a new one. Their cheaper devices including the nexus 7 have done much better.
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I think you may be right. The Infinity was a bit pricey, but I don't regret for a second going for it instead of a lower-res tablet. And the Nexus 7 is a great piece of hardware, but as I was looking into a laptop replacement, it wouldn't have been a choice (too small a screen, no dock, even if there are external keyboards available).
Maybe they'll make another premium device in a year or so. With Tegra 4 or some other latest-gen SoC. And maybe I'll be wanting to upgrade then. If one were to come out right now, it would be way too soon for me

That's because the hardware isn't outdated yet.
There are only 2 or 3 other Full HD screens (1280x800 is not Full HD. 1080 and above is.) out there. Barely any competition. (Apple doesn't count.)
There are no new advancements in terms of displays (meaning the change from LCD to LED.)
There is no Tegra 4 yet.
There is no significant improvement in battery.
There are no 128GB internal drives.
There are no other dock-intergrated devices out there that aren't Asus; and the W8 versions are a step back, not forward. (you can't set it on your lap.)
There have been no extreme camera improvements to warrant a new device.
So what would a new version add? The only thing it could change would be to add another GB of RAM, a different storage because of the I/O issues, an even higher resolution which will cause even more lag, and a Snapdragon, which won't happen as Transformers have always used Tegra.
So there is nothing to really improve on; Asus isn't officially acknowledging the I/O issues.

Agreed on the Sony. I have a TF300 32gb with dock and iPad 4 128gb. The iPad is a lot faster device and better battery life (even when counting the dock), but love the emulator options and easier file transfer on the TF300.
Next tab will be 1080p Android.

I think they re-tooled for the Win8 devices for a bit as well so they probably are busy with that.

I would guess that they are waiting for Tegra 4 to enter mass production. I would love to see a Snapdragon 800 tablet though.