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[Q] Can I Finally install the 2.3.5/3.0 OTA?

Hi all, my first post here.
Just got my Desire S this last week and have been on a bit of a rollercoaster ride. To sum it up:
Got phone
Discovered phone to be 1.47.401.4 with HBOOT 0.98.0002
Temp rooted with fre3vo
Used Revolutionary 0.4pre to S-OFF phone
Installed ClockworkModRecovery
Installed SU
Checked for updates and discovered OTA firmware update available
Tried to upgrade via OTA update but failed due to it not being compatible with CWMR
Tried to update using a 2.10 RUU but got stuck in a bootloop
Reflashed CMWR and restored my backed up pre-RUU install system
Flashed stock recovery from 1.47.401.4 RUU
Tried to upgrade via OTA update but failed due to stuck in bootloop
Flashed CMWR and restored system
Created a gold card and tried to return to stuck using 1.47.401.4 RUU but failed because RUU said nothing I was already at 1.47.401.4 :-/
Restored stock recovery, stock radio and stock HBOOT
As far as I can tell this should put me back where I started with the phone, other than having the superuser binaries in place.
My HBOOT looks normal (0.98.0002) and the radio restore went fine and the stock recovery is in place (Used bootloader to start recovery and got /!\ icon (I'm guessing because no OTA zip on device right now?)).
So, will it be safe for me to try and OTA now with a good chance of success?
If I get stuck in a bootloop will I have any way to recovery?

My advice, is to immediately stop trying to do OTA updates, as all you'll achieve is a locked down phone that can only be unlocked by HTCdev which will limit you
Use revolutionary to unlock s-off phone, flash a custom and never look back
Swyped form ym Dersie S unsig XAD Permuim

Right, but that doesn't actually answer my question.
Also, I was under the impression that a bootloader unlocked with HTCdev can have a custom recovery image installed much the same as an S-OFF bootloader can.
What limitations are you talking about.
I don't particularly want to use a custom ROM because I am pretty happy with the basic Sense experience so far.
I have seen that there is a thread providing rooted "stock" roms but I want to know all my options, including OTA.

OOPMan said:
Right, but that doesn't actually answer my question.
Also, I was under the impression that a bootloader unlocked with HTCdev can have a custom recovery image installed much the same as an S-OFF bootloader can.
What limitations are you talking about.
I don't particularly want to use a custom ROM because I am pretty happy with the basic Sense experience so far.
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HTCdev unlocked phones aren't able to flash their boot partition from recovery, which means you'll require to seperately flash boot.img through fast boot every tine you change roms
You aren't able to change radios unless you're s-off
Look at the ROM that I'm on which if stock sense 3.5 plus lots of quality additions, stunning
As I said don't worry about ota just wait for the update to come then custom will be made from it that will be better
Swyped form ym Dersie S unsig XAD Permuim

I'm a bit wary of custom roms. My previous phone was a SE X10 Mini Pro. Terrible phone with terrible stock software and most of the user-made roms for it are no better. The phone is only decent with a specific CM-based mod and other than that it was the pits.
I've been pretty happy with the basic Desire S rom so far. Is there anything which can honestly be classified as "must have" about any of the custom roms out there?
I'm quite happy to wait for the official ICS update and my wife will certainly rest easier knowing that I'm not about to totally mess up my new phone...

see this thread for evidence of the quality of the two best custom roms on this device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1597729
The endymion ROM that I'm on is sense 3.5 so a step ahead of the sense 2.1 or 3.0 that you have used.
These roms are super stable, more so than stock.
Read the thread of the ROM for details see links in my signature
Swyped form ym Dersie S unsig XAD Permuim

I see. You still haven't answered my original questions though:
Can I use an OTA update at this point?
If something goes wrong, what options do I have for recovery?
If I do decide to install Hyperion then thanks for the info on it but for now that's not actually what I'm asking...
Also, I have another question to add:
If I do decide to update via the official OTA update and then root my phone would I still be able to restore my HBOOT via the method described in this post. I used the described method to return my HBOOT from the Revolutionary version to 0.98.0002 with no issues but would the same trick work with the newer HBOOT? If the phone were updated via OTA and the HBOOT restored in this method would the official rom still boot (I ask because I found that even when I was able to get the OTA installed by restorting the stock recovery it bootlooped and I suspect this was becauce the OTA did not update the HBOOT...)

ben_pyett said:
My advice, is to immediately stop trying to do OTA updates, as all you'll achieve is a locked down phone that can only be unlocked by HTCdev which will limit you
Use revolutionary to unlock s-off phone, flash a custom and never look back
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He answered this question with first post.
But, what the hell do you want to achieve?? You have your device one week and messed it up more than I did in 10 months.
you cannot root and still get official ota updates. It's not possible. And anything you can get through ota update can be found here on xda too.
Please tell us what you want to do and remember that you cannot mix up rooting and ota updates.
Sent by my fingers to your head.

Okay, this is really simple:
I want to be able to perform the OTA ICS update when it comes out.
I am not particularly interested in running a custom rom. I had my fill of non-working hardware and random instability with user roms for about 6 months with the X10 minipro.
Due to changing financial circumstances I need to be careful with this phone because if it dies or gets bricked I am not going to be able to get a new one that costs more than R500 until my next contractual upgrade which is going to be happening in 2 years time. I would prefer to have a useful phone for the next 2 years rather than a dumb block with no ability besides incoming/outgoing calls.
That means none of the horsing about I did with my X10 minipro.
You may now say "Hold on, why did you root your rom in the first place then?" and I can answer "Force of habit from using that X10 minipro which was terrible unless rooted and updated with a custom firmware and even then it was a pain".
Look, if you guys can honestly tell me in that XYZ custom rom is the best way to ensure that my phone stays in a working condition for the next 2 years and gets some form of update to ICS that works 100% and is stable then I will go the custom rom route.
My custom rom experience on the X10 minipro was not all bad, just mostly so which gives me pause when it comes to doing any more monkeying about.

Okay, no I can understand your worries and fears. And also what you where doing.
situation similar to me, I could afford that phone only with a 2 year contract, so I'm f*cked up if I f*ck it up
I had to go back to my Sony erricsson Walkman handy if I mess up the desire s.
Let me tell you something:
I think all roms offered in the development section are build very well. There are some unstable roms, but that is due to the lack of kernel 3.0.
but I can really tell you for sure that endymion (I'm talking about that one because it is the best/most stable sense 3.5 ROM out there for our device) is the most rock solid ROM you'll ever use. It has 100% fully working hardware, just like stock. And I am really talking about 100%, not 99
and it offers much more functionality than stock, due to allot of performance improvements and tweaks, that make it much smoother and stable than stock. I never had a reboot, freeze or anything like that in 4 months of heavy usage. You really can rely on lowveld and his work.
Of course you should be careful, it's an expensive device though.
I'm double reading everything and am very careful too, but I managed to never have any problem I couldn't solve myself. (forgot wipe before flashing etc... Nothing bad)
If you make a clean, correct install, there is nothing better you can do and you'll play a safe game.
BUT you will not be able to receive ota updates.
anyways, when the ics update is been released for our device, there will be a huge amount of roms based on that update. maybe this will be even before you can receive the update over the air. You will for sure be able to upgrade to ics, without using the ota update.
And those roms will quickly become same stable because of the kernel 3.0 will be available than.
That text was really hard for me, because of my limited English skills.. That's all I learned-by-doing
I hope I could help you a little bit
PS: endymion is what stock sense 3.5 should have been.
Sent by my fingers to your head.

Thanks for the info guys. I guess I will give Endymion a try and keep my fingers crossed

Tell us if you succeeded and how you like it
Sent by my fingers to your head.

Thanks, will do.
BTW, which recovery should I should for flashing Endymion?

Whichever recovery you have installed.
4EXT is the most popular here but a lot of people still use Clockwork Mod recovery.
If you don't plan to use recovery a lot then just stick to what you have. If you do flash a lot, like a lot of the people here, then you might like to use 4EXT touch for a nicer interface. Either way, it doesn't make a difference, both will end up achieving the same result.
If you haven't got a recovery installed all you have to do is download either ROM Manager or 4EXT Recovery Updater, install the app and flash the recovery. You probably know this though!
Anyway 4EXT can be found here:
http://4ext.net/
The paid version is available in the play store and CWM can be found in ROM manager from the play store.

OOPMan said:
Thanks, will do.
BTW, which recovery should I should for flashing Endymion?
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I'm using 4ext but cwm does the job too. And you also can change the recovery later though.
Sent by my fingers to your head.

Thanks for the advice guys. I installed Endymion this morning with no issues and am finding it very nice

OOPMan said:
Thanks for the advice guys. I installed Endymion this morning with no issues and am finding it very nice
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Glad you managed it.. I'm sure you won't regret
Sent by my fingers to your head.

Which stock Sensation XE rom has the least amount of bloatware?

Which stock Sensation XE rom has the least amount of bloatware?
The question pretty much sums it up. I just got a Sensation XE, Hong Kong model. It has a lot of crap software on it: youni sms, xda assistant, 通通电话，baidu, kuwo player, and all this other Chinese crap. I hate Chinese software with passion. If skynet was/is real, I believe it would be running a Chinese OS. Chinese software naturally tries to take over your computer or phone.
I want to switch to the stock rom with the least amount of junk on it. If it also has a good Chinese/English keyboard with handwriting input that is a plus.
Also, just to make sure I'm on the right track, this is what should be done before I can change roms, right?
1) Get S-off
2) Install Clockwork Mod
3) Get permanent root
4) Write super cid
5) Change Stock Rom

typci said:
Which stock Sensation XE rom has the least amount of bloatware?
The question pretty much sums it up. I just got a Sensation XE, Hong Kong model. It has a lot of crap software on it: youni sms, xda assistant, 通通电话，baidu, kuwo player, and all this other Chinese crap. I hate Chinese software with passion. If skynet was/is real, I believe it would be running a Chinese OS. Chinese software naturally tries to take over your computer or phone.
I want to switch to the stock rom with the least amount of junk on it. If it also has a good Chinese/English keyboard with handwriting input that is a plus.
Also, just to make sure I'm on the right track, this is what should be done before I can change roms, right?
1) Get S-off
2) Install Clockwork Mod
3) Get permanent root
4) Write super cid
5) Change Stock Rom
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the steps are fine ..but 3rd step is not required ...and 2)better have 4EXT recovery ..its better imho and between 4 and 5 there might be one more step ..which can only be decided after you told the current rom you are having (if running gb now ..for ICS you need to flash 3.32/3.33 firmware ..then ROM)
as for the ROM ..for simple STOCK like and fully customized with bloat removed ..try ARHD, insert coin or Elegancia

Hi,
If you go through the steps you mentioned:
1) Get S-off
2) Install Clockwork Mod (Try to get a PG58IMG.zip version of it, saves having to fastboot flash it)
3) Get permanent root
4) Write super cid
5) Change Stock Rom
You could stop at step3 and manuall delete stuff off the ROM you have. OR, what I'd probably do), and as mentioned you can skip step 3 if you're installing a new ROM. Go for a WWE (World Wide English) RUU if you want to keep completely Stock, you can then run ROMcleaner to remove some redundant crap.
Look for something like: RUU_PYRAMID_ICS_HTC_Europe_3.32.401.5_Radio_11.69. 3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M_release_246089_signed.exe
It's ICS with Sense 3.6. The 401 in the above means it's WWE and will either need SuperCID (11111111) or HTC__001, it's completely unbranded.
You can find ROMcleaner at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1217664

Thanks for the replies. I know I can root and then uninstall system apps. I don't really like doing that because you just don't know what else has been done to the rom. This Hong Kong rom won't let me use stock SMS (I know how to select default SMS program, it doesn't work on this rom) and doesn't have stock browser (it has some chinese version of Opera), is asking me if I want to invite my contacts to join all kinds of stupid networks, gets involved with my text messages, has some Chinese antivirus that keeps complaining, and all kinds of other crap. It's the worst rom I've ever seen. The WWE appears to be what I'm looking for. It's unbranded and shouldn't have carrier or region specific stuff. Youtube and other apps that don't ask me questions I can deal with.
I want root, for all of it's obvious benefits. I usually run stock, rooted and custom kernal with GPU overclock. But I'm not so sure I like sense, but I want to try a cleaner rom before I decide on sense.
I'm guessing I don't need to do the OTA update before I start the process. I also saw there were some special procedures for the latest ICS. I'll deal with that bridge when I get there. For now I just need a clean rom that doesn't bombard me with useless Chinese crap.

typci said:
Thanks for the replies. I know I can root and then uninstall system apps. I don't really like doing that because you just don't know what else has been done to the rom. This Hong Kong rom won't let me use stock SMS (I know how to select default SMS program, it doesn't work on this rom) or doesn't have stock browser (it has some chinese version of Opera), is asking me if I want to invite my contacts to join all kinds of stupid networks, gets involved with my text messages, has some Chinese antivirus that keeps complaining, and all kinds of other crap. It's the worst rom I've ever seen. The WWE appears to be what I'm looking for. It's unbranded and shouldn't have carrier or region specific stuff. Youtube and other apps that don't ask me questions I can deal with.
I want root, for all of it's obvious benefits. I usually run stock, rooted and custom kernal with GPU overclock. But I'm not so sure I like sense, but I want to try a cleaner rom before I decide on sense.
I'm guessing I don't need to do the OTA update before I start the process. I saw there were some special procedures for the latest ICS. I'll deal with that bridge when I get there. For now I just need a clean gingerbread that doesn't bombard me with useless Chinese crap.
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There are a few WWE GB ROMs out there, the one I mentioned is pretty slick as it's ICS which seems to work better IMHO.
The following is mentioned in post 1776 and there abouts in the following thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1074559
http://shipped-roms.com/index.php?category=android&model=Pyramid
The OP has filefactory as the repository but it never worked for me so I gave up on it, looks like others had the same issue.
Just get a Europe one xxx.401.xxx. Avoid 1.24 if you want to go through OTA updates, I had issues with that, might have been me but .....
The ROMcleaner thing I mentioned is pretty good at removing the HTC extra stuff.
Of course, there are a few very nice custom ROMs out there. I was using Virtuous Inquisition (AOSP look and feel based on Sense but de-sensed as much as possible). I've not tried ARHD/IC and some of the others for a long time so can't comment on them.
Have fun and GL on your quest.
EDIT:
P.S. after applying the RUU you'll need to re-install CWM (again easiest was is if you have a PG58IMG.zip version of it) and then apply the root. It looks like the best root at the moment is SuperSU (reading some posts here from EddyOS).

Thanks again. I'm downloading:
RUU_PYRAMID_LE_ICS_35_S_HTC_Europe_3.32.401.105_R2_Radio_11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M_release_253443_signed.exe
Now that I look again the 3.33 version is available, I probably should have downloaded that.
I've already got: ADB drivers, HTC Sync, HTC driver, java, pg58img(recovery.img), CMW 5.0.2.0, revolutionary-0.4pre4, su-2.3.63-efgh, and the unbrick stuff in case something goes wrong. Once I finished downloading the firmware I should be ready to go. I'll double check that all the files are good, re-read all the instructional threads, and then get started. My phone doesn't have a warranty, so I have to make sure everything is done correctly the first time.
I also found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
Will I need to flash this as well?
HTC phones are so much more complicated compared to the other phones I've rooted and flashed. On my Huawei phone you plugged the phone in to the computer, copied two files, and you were rooted and had CWM installed.

typci said:
Thanks again. I'm downloading:
RUU_PYRAMID_LE_ICS_35_S_HTC_Europe_3.32.401.105_R2_Radio_11.69.3504.00U_11.22.3504.07_M_release_253443_signed.exe
Now that I look again the 3.33 version is available, I probably should have downloaded that.
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The 3.32 contains the 1.27.0000 HBOOT which can be unlocked (just done it myself). The 3.33 contains 1.29.0000 which at the moment cannot be unlocked.
As you're already S-OFF it probably doesn't make much difference. I'm on 3.32 at the moment, I don't know what the differences are between 3.32 & 3.33, I assume minor bug fixes.
I've already got: ADB drivers, HTC Sync, HTC driver, java, pg58img(recovery.img), CMW 5.0.2.0, revolutionary-0.4pre4, su-2.3.63-efgh, and the unbrick stuff in case something goes wrong. Once I finished downloading the firmware I should be ready to go. I'll double check that all the files are good, re-read all the instructional threads, and then get started. My phone doesn't have a warranty, so I have to make sure everything is done correctly the first time.
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Unless you go back to HBOOT 1.18.00 or earlier revolutionary can't help to S-OFF, as you're already S-OFF you shouldn't need it.
Does the PG58IMG.zip you mention contain CWM 5.0.2.0 ?, I usually keep a copy about called PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip, then change the name when I want to install it. The reason I ask is that PG58IMG.zip is a generic name and can be used for many things. You'll need to pop the uSD card when it asks you to reboot.
As far as SU is concerned, look at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538053
I also found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459767
Will I need to flash this as well?
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No the RUU is self contained and includes the firmware/radio. You might want to install HBOOT 1.27.0011 afterwards, IRC it allows fastboot commands. I think it's in that thread.
HTC phones are so much more complicated compared to the other phones I've rooted and flashed. On my Huawei phone you plugged the phone in to the computer, copied two files, and you were rooted and had CWM installed.
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I know HTC seemed to have created hassles. I had an early Sensation and waiting for someone to work out how to S-OFF was a real pain.
GL
EDIT
REMEMBER to take a nandroid backup before you start, just in case ! Also remember that nandroid backups don't include HBOOT or Radio so if you need to revert you'd need to get them. Take a note of the existing baseband/radio & HBOOT.

gol_n_dal said:
Does the PG58IMG.zip you mention contain CWM 5.0.2.0 ?, I usually keep a copy about called PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip, then change the name when I want to install it. The reason I ask is that PG58IMG.zip is a generic name and can be used for many things. You'll need to pop the uSD card when it asks you to reboot
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I found the PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip file you were talking about. I like that idea better.
gol_n_dal said:
REMEMBER to take a nandroid backup before you start, just in case ! Also remember that nandroid backups don't include HBOOT or Radio so if you need to revert you'd need to get them. Take a note of the existing baseband/radio & HBOOT.
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Good point. I'll add that to the list of steps so I don't forget.
1) Setup ADB/fastboot
2) Get S-off
3) Install Clockwork Mod
4) Backup via CWM!!!!
5) Get permanent root
6) Write super cid
7) Change Stock Rom
Unfortunately the rom didn't download correctly, so looks like I won't be installing the rom tonight.

typci said:
I found the PG58IMG-CWM5020.zip file you were talking about. I like that idea better.
Good point. I'll add that to the list of steps so I don't forget.
1) Setup ADB/fastboot
2) Backup via ADB!!!!
3) Get S-off
4) Install Clockwork Mod
5) Backup via CWM!!!!
6) Get permanent root
7) Write super cid
8) Change Stock Rom
Unfortunately the rom didn't download correctly, so looks like I won't be installing the rom tonight.
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The nandroid backup is via ClockworkMod, not certain what you're backing up through ADB/fastboot. Guess you could get Radio/Recovery etc. Never tried it myself, I like a simple life
There is no point applying SuperSU until after you have installed the new Stock ROM. You can change the CID directly with fastboot, it doesn't need root for that.
Shame about the download, at least the steps look about right.
Eek, I thought you already had S-OFF ? What HBOOT are you on at the moment ? If it's 1.18.0000 or earlier revolutionary.io is perfect, if it's later it's a different process.
Note that when you install the new stock rom via RUUxxxx.exe, it'll splat the custom recovery so it'll need to be re-applied.

Umm, I booted into HBOOT to get my HBOOT version and at the top of the screen it says:
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT 1.17.008
RADIO-10.11.9007.15_M
That mean I already had S-OFF, right? Well that was easy.
Actually the phone was smuggled into China to avoid taxes. The sellers probably had to get S-OFF to put a Chinese language rom on there. Which also would explain all the extra bloatware, probably was installed by the same people.
Also, I wasn't able to pull the images through ADB. Have to wait until after rooted.
UPDATE: Installed CWM, backing up now, then root. So far so good. I'll probably have to settle for using Titanium Backup to remove the unwanted apps for now. The second try at downloading the RUU also failed.
UPDATE: Rooted, through it probably was already rooted. Also checked the CID and it was already 11111111. Thanks Chinese smugglers. You did all the work for me. Now to finish uninstalling all the crap you put on my phone.
So actually, the only work I did was install the SU and backup my system.

Nice to see it going smoothly for you, and remember if you want to install ics, you need to flash a ics firmware 3.32 or 3.33. Or you'll be in a boot loop.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda app-developers app

typci said:
Umm, I booted into HBOOT to get my HBOOT version and at the top of the screen it says:
PYRAMID PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT 1.17.008
RADIO-10.11.9007.15_M
That mean I already had S-OFF, right? Well that was easy.
Actually the phone was smuggled into China to avoid taxes. The sellers probably had to get S-OFF to put a Chinese language rom on there. Which also would explain all the extra bloatware, probably was installed by the same people.
Also, I wasn't able to pull the images through ADB. Have to wait until after rooted.
UPDATE: Installed CWM, backing up now, then root. So far so good. I'll probably have to settle for using Titanium Backup to remove the unwanted apps for now. The second try at downloading the RUU also failed.
UPDATE: Rooted, through it probably was already rooted. Also checked the CID and it was already 11111111. Thanks Chinese smugglers. You did all the work for me. Now to finish uninstalling all the crap you put on my phone.
So actually, the only work I did was install the SU and backup my system.
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LOL
As you say that was easy.
There are other sites that you can download 3.32.401 from as it's fairly common, have a look.
As you have a nandroid backup that you can recover back to if needed you can also try ROMcleaner.
I'm going to try a Jelly Bean ROM tomorrow so my nandroid backup will be vital )
A really nice fairly lightweight ROM is Virtuous Inquisition. As I said it's AOSP look and feel but has Sense backend, it's been de-sensed as much as possible.
Anyway Have Fun.

flare4000 said:
Nice to see it going smoothly for you, and remember if you want to install ics, you need to flash a ics firmware 3.32 or 3.33. Or you'll be in a boot loop.
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda app-developers app
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I downloaded 3.32 Europe RUU. I plan to install that tonight after work.

typci said:
I downloaded 3.32 Europe RUU. I plan to install that tonight after work.
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The RUU will contain everything you need and update firmware, Radio, Recovery, HBOOT, ..... and of course the ROM.
Remember it'll flatten the ROM so all saved messages, WiFi details etc. will be lost.
If for some reason you need to revert back to your existing ROM you'll need to downgrade the firmware to 1.17.0008, including the radio. I doubt you'll bother though when you're on 3.32.

help
Does Anyone Have
RUU PYRAMID hTC Asia WWE 1.77.708.148
???

rafael1369 said:
Does Anyone Have
RUU PYRAMID hTC Asia WWE 1.77.708.148
???
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1. Don't double post, you posted this somewhere else as well.
2. Go and look in Football's Shipped ROM Collection thread.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio Z715e using xda premium

help
I know but it's urgent
how I can upgrade my frimware to3.33.x???
I have install dark forest without upgrade my frimware but my device still in htc logo
s-on
with touch recovery
and rooted
please help mee

If it's that urgent you should spend time familiarize yourself with the search button. There is Asskicker's guide how to flash roms with s-on in the general forum. Plus I gave you a link to RUU's in the other thread you posted in.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e

matekaneve said:
If it's that urgent you should spend time familiarize yourself with the search button. There is Asskicker's guide how to flash roms with s-on in the general forum. Plus I gave you a link to RUU's in the other thread you posted in.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e
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Hi
I dont understand what u saied??
What can I do?

[Q] How to i change my CID and allow OTA updates

Hi,
i recently got an HTC One S phone (used, no warranty). The phone seems to have been "played with" as it had Super User installed. However it was acting wierd so i did a factory recovery using the boot menu. This meant Super User was gone.
I am totally new to the updating an HTC phone, i found doing firmware changes to Sony and Samsung phones to be pretty much more easier!
My needs are pretty basic ! which is i want to achieve the following
I want to change my phone to have a normal CID without depending on carrier delays for updates (my CID is ORANG1)
I do not want to install a custom ROM, i want OTA updates to happen
I want to have my phone get the OTA update for Jelly Bean
When i boot into the phone (volume - + restart), i see the following,
*** TAMPERED ***
*** UNLOCKED ***
VLE PVT SHP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.06.0000
RADIO-0.15.3150S.19_2
OpenDSP-v21.1.0.32.0314
eMMC-boot
Mar 15 2012, 23:37:23
Other facts
My CID - ORANG1 (using CID getter app)
Phone model - S4 Z520e
I hear the Jelly Bean update sorts the helicopter issue with the HOME button, though i am not sure if the restart issue when browsing with the stock browser has been resolved. The helicopter HOME issue is driving me nuts.
Appreciate if someone can provide me the steps about how i can go about getting my phone CID changed and the OTA udpates working for the new CID, as searching the forums have not really helped me nail the way i can go about doing this.

Before we get started I'd like to know your home country (sorry I don't know your flag) and whether you're on stock or custom recovery.
As I'm on this device from the very beginning and know almost any corner in this forum I'll point you out where to find the things and information you'll need and some advantages as well as some disadvantages of what you want. Also I'll point out an alternative.

rootrider said:
Before we get started I'd like to know your home country (sorry I don't know your flag) and whether you're on stock or custom recovery.
As I'm on this device from the very beginning and know almost any corner in this forum I'll point you out where to find the things and information you'll need and some advantages as well as some disadvantages of what you want. Also I'll point out an alternative.
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Wonderful to hear a quick response.
I live in Sri Lanka (small Island nation located at the bottom part of India, last colonized by the British!). The situation is that i think i am in stock, as i got this phone used and though everything is functional the helicopter home button issue, phone freezing when i use the stock browser for over a few minutes, connection looses (all reported errors with 4.0.3 and even 0.4) means i need to get this to Jelly Bean to make the phone more usable as i love the size and speed of the phone.
To start of is there any way i can see if my phone is in stock or custom recovery? I just searched and found http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2124349, does the instructions "Fastboot getvar version-main" work?
Another twist is that i have the much loved Windows 8 running on my PC, i am not sure if that will have any effect on any command executions.

Wait you got 1.06 Hboot I would not flash RUU or OTA if you got that because you can update what is needed or if needed for roms plus you don't have to piss about when flashing roms so if I was you don't do it.

Thank you and welcome to this forum!
Your bootloader is still at version 1.06. Which is very good, as yours and version 1.09 allow you to flash nearly everything (kernels, radios, etc.) from within your device. Bootloader versions higher than 1.09 don't allow this anymore. For flashing kernels and radios you then will need to get into the phones fastboot mode and use the Android SDK on your pc, typing things like 'fastboot flash boot boot.img'.
Let's get started with recovery. To root your phone you usually need to flash a custom recovery. TWRP is the only one working bugfree atm. You can download it here.
To flash it and doing other usefull things try to get comfortable with the HTC One S All-in-one-toolkit.
So why do I mention this, also you wrote that the only thing you want to do is udating straightly to JB?
After the OTA update you'll be on bootloader version 2.15. It's just one more thing from htc to lock their devices even more, as at this time they don't behave very friendly to the dev community. Downgrading the bootloader is kind of pain and not easy so, unless you're familiar with linux (I did it succesfully several times).
Also stock JB from htc has one more surprise: Your system folder will be kind of write protected, which means, also you seem to have full root, after a reboot your formerly deleted (you thought so) files wil be back. Also added files in that folder won't be present any more. That crap is hardcoded into htc's JB kernel and sources are not available atm. But this problem was solved by flar2, who wrote a kernel module to bypass this.
So your hardware issues are left. As I'm not concerned by this I can only summarize what I read about these in the forum. They are obviously hardware related and therefore independant from software. Somebody wrote, a new radio had helped, others write different. In summary you'll have to check this out for your device.
Let's resume at this point:
Your device is unlocked and at 1.06. It needs to be relocked for the JB update and it will have a less comfortable bootloader version afterwards and it will be hard to get rid of the crapware in your system folder, as you'll have to unlock and root again for doing so. And it's questionable the JB OTA update will fix your hardware issues.
So I'd recommend the following procedure (you could still do the OTA update at any time, I'll help you then):
- use the all-in-one-toolkit, flash latest TWRP
- Flash latest EU radio 1.11 from here with twrp
- restore JB from my nandroid backup (download 3.16)
- if you experience troubles with your wifi connection, flash these wifi partitions
- check if your hardware troubles have been resolved
- to get root use all-in-one-toolkit again and flash elemental kernel (by flar2)
It seems a lot of work, but it's worth it. PM me, if you need additional help or decide to do the OTA update.

wow, thanks so much for all the info. I will give this a try tonight as i have the phone @ home, using my One X as the regular phone until i get the One S sorted. Then i will hope push out the One X and keep the One S as my regular phone. I prefer the One S size which is more ideal for one handed operation, shame that HTC opted for a pentile display that took out the sharpness.
Also based on your suggestions would it be better for me to opt for a custom ROM than HTC standard to resolve my issues?

[Q] Manual update, need help

Hello,
I am trying to update my phone without losing all of my data and of coarse, root as well. Below is what I am working with:
*** TAMPERED ***
*** UNLOCKED ***
EVITA PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.14.0002
RADIO-0.19AS.32.09.11_2
OpenDSP-v29.1.0.45.0622
eMMC-boot
Jun 11 2012, 14:36:28
Recovery TWRP v2.6.3.0
Android Version 4.0.4
Sense 4.0
software # 2.20.502.7.710RD
API Level 4.23
HTC extension 403_1_GA_20
Kernel 3.0.8-01558-g7f75e5b
baseband 0.19as
build 2.20.502.7
That's probably way more than you needed to know, but I like to be through. (c;
anyhow, I want to update everything to the latest version... firmware, hboot (if applicable), OS, radio, etc. without losing my data, recovery or root.
I have downloaded RUU_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_Cingular_US_3.18.502.6_Radio_0.24p.32.09.06_10.130.32.34_release_signed_With_Partial.exe from HTC
and OTA_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_Cingular_US_3.18.502.6_0.24p.32.09.06_10.130.32.34_release_3061616bcty3drvawwo01k.zip from my phone.
I tried upgrading using adb sideload (renaming zip from carrier to update.zip) and it failed
I tried upgrading using install feature of TWRP using update.zip and it failed
I then thought I will just extract the .img files and flash using adb, but quickly discovered I don't know what .img file is which. If some one has a better way of accomplishing my goal i am all ears, however if someone can assist in identifying which .img files i should flash and how to best approach it I would be very appreciative.
the files extracted are attached (didn't want to flood the post)

It's better to provide too much information than not enough, which is what most people do lol.
I think you're a bit misguided on the whole process so I'll break it down for you. You've downloaded the right RUU but you don't need the OTA. You're also approaching it with the wrong methodology, you're not meant to extract the RUU and flash any image files manually. All you need to do is connect your phone to your PC in fastboot mode and run the RUU exe program in Windows then follow the prompts. You must get s-off first though, very important, do not skip this step!
You will lose your custom recovery and root, there's no way around that. But getting them back is as easy as flashing the custom recovery again and installing root or a rooted ROM. The RUU shouldn't wipe anything from your sd card but it's a good idea to make a backup just in case. You'll lose text messages, call logs, things like that but you can back those up using backup apps before the process.
So head over to the Rumrunner site and get s-off first and you'll be good to go.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
It's better to provide too much information than not enough, which is what most people do lol.
I think you're a bit misguided on the whole process so I'll break it down for you. You've downloaded the right RUU but you don't need the OTA. You're also approaching it with the wrong methodology, you're not meant to extract the RUU and flash any image files manually. All you need to do is connect your phone to your PC in fastboot mode and run the RUU exe program in Windows then follow the prompts. You must get s-off first though, very important, do not skip this step!
You will lose your custom recovery and root, there's no way around that. But getting them back is as easy as flashing the custom recovery again and installing root or a rooted ROM. The RUU shouldn't wipe anything from your sd card but it's a good idea to make a backup just in case. You'll lose text messages, call logs, things like that but you can back those up using backup apps before the process.
So head over to the Rumrunner site and get s-off first and you'll be good to go.
Sent from my Evita
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Thanks for the response!
I figured I didn't need both the ruu and the ota, but I didn't know if one had newer componets than the other. Also, I didn't know that s-off had been accomplished, last I checked it was still unavailable.
The reason I was thinking of flashing the images manually was because it was so simple for the nexus 7 upgrade, and prevented data loss. The ruu says data loss will happen on it, so I was skeptical to run it as is. So now I am off to check out that link and get this party started! Thanks again!

Spy_64 said:
Hello,
I am trying to update my phone without losing all of my data and of coarse, root as well. Below is what I am working with:
*** TAMPERED ***
*** UNLOCKED ***
EVITA PVT SHIP S-ON RL
HBOOT-1.14.0002
RADIO-0.19AS.32.09.11_2
OpenDSP-v29.1.0.45.0622
eMMC-boot
Jun 11 2012, 14:36:28
Recovery TWRP v2.6.3.0
Android Version 4.0.4
Sense 4.0
software # 2.20.502.7.710RD
API Level 4.23
HTC extension 403_1_GA_20
Kernel 3.0.8-01558-g7f75e5b
baseband 0.19as
build 2.20.502.7
That's probably way more than you needed to know, but I like to be through. (c;
anyhow, I want to update everything to the latest version... firmware, hboot (if applicable), OS, radio, etc. without losing my data, recovery or root.
I have downloaded RUU_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_Cingular_US_3.18.502.6_Radio_0.24p.32.09.06_10.130.32.34_release_signed_With_Partial.exe from HTC
and OTA_EVITA_UL_JB_45_S_Cingular_US_3.18.502.6_0.24p.32.09.06_10.130.32.34_release_3061616bcty3drvawwo01k.zip from my phone.
I tried upgrading using adb sideload (renaming zip from carrier to update.zip) and it failed
I tried upgrading using install feature of TWRP using update.zip and it failed
I then thought I will just extract the .img files and flash using adb, but quickly discovered I don't know what .img file is which. If some one has a better way of accomplishing my goal i am all ears, however if someone can assist in identifying which .img files i should flash and how to best approach it I would be very appreciative.
the files extracted are attached (didn't want to flood the post)
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If you get stuck or need more info, I threw together a guide with info from the forums that may help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2593037

By the way, tell me about your footer "HTC Evita Gummy 4.4.2 | Torched KK Kernel S-off | 2.14 | Modified TWRP 2.6.3"..... Cooked rom? How do you like it? How does it compare to stock?

Madcat8686 said:
If you get stuck or need more info, I threw together a guide with info from the forums that may help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2593037
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Thanks!

Spy_64 said:
By the way, tell me about your footer "HTC Evita Gummy 4.4.2 | Torched KK Kernel S-off | 2.14 | Modified TWRP 2.6.3"..... Cooked rom? How do you like it? How does it compare to stock?
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It's a really good Rom. Extremely stable with excellent battery life. It's my current "go to" Nandroid back up I use during the day now. I flash new Roms almost daily when I don't need the phone for work. It's based off AOSP and that's what I like most about it. It has tweaks but not too many. For someone making a jump to 4.4+ Roms, I would highly recommend this one as a starter. We are very fortunate to have many like this and I'm getting around too try all of them (we are very lucky to have some talented individuals working Roms in our Forum.)
As for stock, I have to be honest, I can hardly remember what stock is like. I tried most of the stock Roms a few months ago and I have Nandroid backups of them. I remember a few were very stable but as I said, I'm a sucker for pure AOSP.
AHHH shoot, I suppose I just fielded a question meant for Timmaa, my bad!

Madcat8686 said:
It's a really good Rom. Extremely stable with excellent battery life. It's my current "go to" Nandroid back up I use during the day now. I flash new Roms almost daily when I don't need the phone for work. It's based off AOSP and that's what I like most about it. It has tweaks but not too many. For someone making a jump to 4.4+ Roms, I would highly recommend this one as a starter. We are very fortunate to have many like this and I'm getting around too try all of them (we are very lucky to have some talented individuals working Roms in our Forum.)
As for stock, I have to be honest, I can hardly remember what stock is like. I tried most of the stock Roms a few months ago and I have Nandroid backups of them. I remember a few were very stable but as I said, I'm a sucker for pure AOSP.
AHHH shoot, I suppose I just fielded a question meant for Timmaa, my bad!
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Thanks for the insight. (c; Know of any place i can see screenshots or more info? better battery life is very important to me. I have been steering clear of aftermarket rom's because it always seems that there is always one thing or another that doesn't work... and it always seems to be either or a combination of, tethering, GPS, MMS, or wifi, all are rather important to me. (c;

Spy_64 said:
Thanks for the insight. (c; Know of any place i can see screenshots or more info? better battery life is very important to me. I have been steering clear of aftermarket rom's because it always seems that there is always one thing or another that doesn't work... and it always seems to be either or a combination of, tethering, GPS, MMS, or wifi, all are rather important to me. (c;
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The Roms are in the development and original development threads. I don't want to steer you down the wrong path and tell you that one Rom is better than another because that's not the XDA way. It implies that one dev's work is better or inferior in some way (plus it's against the rules.)
I can recommend Gummy Rom as a starter if you are ready to try out a custom Rom. I like it and I consider it a daily driver but a couple of the others are just as good. You just have to flash and find out. Many of the 4.4+ Roms on our Forum are stable and work really well.

well I have tried two different PC's running different OS's, and two different USB cables and I cannot get past
....
Checking for updates......
Test 1: Rebooting into bootloader
Waiting for fastboot (11/120)
Waiting
Test 2: Booting device
Waiting for ADB (49/120)
Device detected.....................
[TTTT********************************************** **********]
Press ENTER to exit
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when running rumrunner. I cannot seem to find anything out there that fixes it either )c;
Any thoughts?

Sometimes Rumrunner says it's failed but it has actually worked, does it still at s-on in your bootloader?
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
Sometimes Rumrunner says it's failed but it has actually worked, does it still at s-on in your bootloader?
Sent from my Evita
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Yah bootloader still says s-on. )c;

It's possible that it's the ROM/kernel that's the problem. You might consider flashing the latest MagioRom, I've had confirmed reports of success with that ROM.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
It's possible that it's the ROM/kernel that's the problem. You might consider flashing the latest MagioRom, I've had confirmed reports of success with that ROM.
Sent from my Evita
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Wont I lose all my data doing so?

What do you mean by data? If you mean your images, music and such on your sd card, no you won't lose it. You never lose that when changing ROMs, I've flash multiple ROMs every week for the last few years and I've never once lost that data in all this hundreds of flashes.
You will lose your text messages, call logs, apps, stuff like that, but you can use several apps to back those up before you flash and then restore it afterwards. Do you use Titanium Backup? If not I suggest you look into it, it allows you to backup pretty much everything.
Sent from my Evita

timmaaa said:
What do you mean by data? If you mean your images, music and such on your sd card, no you won't lose it. You never lose that when changing ROMs, I've flash multiple ROMs every week for the last few years and I've never once lost that data in all this hundreds of flashes.
You will lose your text messages, call logs, apps, stuff like that, but you can use several apps to back those up before you flash and then restore it afterwards. Do you use Titanium Backup? If not I suggest you look into it, it allows you to backup pretty much everything.
Sent from my Evita
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Mainly just, well data and apps...stored on sd or internal storage. That's great news though!

No problems. The rule of thumb is this: if it's worth worrying about it's worth backing up, just in case.
Sent from my Evita

I was going to backup using twrp to USB and an OTG cable but apparently that is not implemented in this kernel... so now its onwards to titanium backup... i haven't tried it for a few years now.

another question.... the romrunner page has modified hboots for htc one....does that include onex? could I use it once i get this all sorted out?

No. You don't want to use a modified hboot. Also, in TWRP recovery you can use the mount usb storage feature so your internal storage shows up on your PC and you can backup that way.
Sent from my Evita

Upgrading from 4.4.2

Hi,
I'm still on 4.4.2 and wish to backup, S-OFF, root, and upgrade to 5.x (open to trying a custom ROM). I'm completely new to this and have a couple questions:
In what order should things be done? My guess is the order listed above?
Can I just follow the instructions in the stickies (firewater, etc), or are they out of date?
If upgrading to a non-Sense ROM, will software (camera, sound, etc) work as well?
If you have any tips/suggestions/advice/things you wish you'd known, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!

1.Go here.
Download APP/EXE version (which i did).
Follow the instruction & flash the exe ruu.If you encounter problem when flashing,just flash this latest hboot & reflash the app exe ruu.Do this only if you encount with any flashing error.
Let it reboot.That's all .
2.No matter which rom you are flasing SENSE or SENSLESS,just flash the latest firmware first.Then you can flash any rom.

Before you go loading RUUs I would recommend turning s-off first. For that you have to use sunshine. Firewater is discontinued and won't work even if you have the files. You would have to run sunshine BEFORE upgrading to lollipop because it hasn't (yet) been updated to work on the lollipop update. Hope this isn't too late of advice.

Caspid said:
Hi,
I'm still on 4.4.2 and wish to backup, S-OFF, root, and upgrade to 5.x (open to trying a custom ROM). I'm completely new to this and have a couple questions:
Can I just follow the instructions in the stickies (firewater, etc), or are they out of date?
If upgrading to a non-Sense ROM, will software (camera, sound, etc) work as well?
If you have any tips/suggestions/advice/things you wish you'd known, I'd greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
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Hi,
Follow this xda thread to root http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/general/guide-how-to-root-10-5-1-0-283-t2872873.
After rooting, install NUT's dual recovery. Then download pre-rooted zip for Android 5.0.2 from development section and flash through revovery.
Sent from my C6602 using xda Forums PRO

SurenderK said:
Hi,
Follow this xda thread to root http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-z/general/guide-how-to-root-10-5-1-0-283-t2872873.
After rooting, install NUT's dual recovery. Then download pre-rooted zip for Android 5.0.2 from development section and flash through revovery.
Sent from my C6602 using xda Forums PRO
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These instructions are for a different phone. It's the same for the M8?
cntryby429 said:
Before you go loading RUUs I would recommend turning s-off first. For that you have to use sunshine. Firewater is discontinued and won't work even if you have the files. You would have to run sunshine BEFORE upgrading to lollipop because it hasn't (yet) been updated to work on the lollipop update. Hope this isn't too late of advice.
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What, really? Even for 4.4.2? I thought sunshine was only required for later versions.

Caspid said:
These instructions are for a different phone. It's the same for the M8?
What, really? Even for 4.4.2? I thought sunshine was only required for later versions.
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So I don't know what that guy is talking about. Steer clear of that advice.
The only way to unlock the bootloader of a Verizon m8 is sunshine and it also turns s-off which is sweet. Firewater worked for older versions, I actually used it myself many months ago. Shortly after sunshine released for the m8 they turned off the online part of Firewater. Sunshine does cost $25 but I donated more than that as a thanks for Firewater, it seems fair.
Once s-off you will be able to do pretty much whatever you want, flash recovery (which can then flash custom roms), upgrade firmware, downgrade firmware, flash radios, etc. However this also means that you can brick your phone if you don't know what you're doing. Definitely don't go following instructions instructions for another phone.
It you don't mind sense, flashing doddat's stock rooted RUU is a one step process and you're done.
If you want bloat removed, the ability to make nandroid, and the many features of custom roms then you need to flash TWRP recovery and you can go to town. If you want bloat removed then there are some pretty good sense based roms. I ran viper Rom for a while and was pretty happy. Then there's gpe and cm based roms. As far as I know most are pretty bug free.
Just be careful. Like I said, s-off allows you to do both awesome and detrimental things to your phone. Know what you're doing, how to do it, and most importantly how to undo it before you do anything.

cntryby429 said:
So I don't know what that guy is talking about. Steer clear of that advice.
The only way to unlock the bootloader of a Verizon m8 is sunshine and it also turns s-off which is sweet. Firewater worked for older versions, I actually used it myself many months ago. Shortly after sunshine released for the m8 they turned off the online part of Firewater. Sunshine does cost $25 but I donated more than that as a thanks for Firewater, it seems fair.
Once s-off you will be able to do pretty much whatever you want, flash recovery (which can then flash custom roms), upgrade firmware, downgrade firmware, flash radios, etc. However this also means that you can brick your phone if you don't know what you're doing. Definitely don't go following instructions instructions for another phone.
It you don't mind sense, flashing doddat's stock rooted RUU is a one step process and you're done.
If you want bloat removed, the ability to make nandroid, and the many features of custom roms then you need to flash TWRP recovery and you can go to town. If you want bloat removed then there are some pretty good sense based roms. I ran viper Rom for a while and was pretty happy. Then there's gpe and cm based roms. As far as I know most are pretty bug free.
Just be careful. Like I said, s-off allows you to do both awesome and detrimental things to your phone. Know what you're doing, how to do it, and most importantly how to undo it before you do anything.
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So instead of making a new thread my question is similar to the guys above. I am on 4.4.2 but already have S-off and root, TWRP installed etc. I have had the phone since launch and have been happy enough to not worry about updating or changing anything too much.
Anyhow, I am now interested in updated, I read a few months ago that 4.4.2 should update to 4.4.3 before going to 4.4.4. Is this still the case if I only want to go to 4.4.4? Still the case if I go all the way up to 5.0.1?
Second, apologies if the answer is the same as above but I just want to be sure I am clear, I am s-off already, will I need sunshine moving forward for after I updated? Or since I am s-off already will I stay that way and be able to root without any additional steps after updating?

Resputan said:
So instead of making a new thread my question is similar to the guys above. I am on 4.4.2 but already have S-off and root, TWRP installed etc. I have had the phone since launch and have been happy enough to not worry about updating or changing anything too much.
Anyhow, I am now interested in updated, I read a few months ago that 4.4.2 should update to 4.4.3 before going to 4.4.4. Is this still the case if I only want to go to 4.4.4? Still the case if I go all the way up to 5.0.1?
Second, apologies if the answer is the same as above but I just want to be sure I am clear, I am s-off already, will I need sunshine moving forward for after I updated? Or since I am s-off already will I stay that way and be able to root without any additional steps after updating?
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I recall that idea of necessary incremental upgrades being passed around for my previous HTC device, the Rezound. I suspect that it's not true although I certainly don't know enough to support that statement. My suspicion is that if you were to flash any of the RUUs which were posted by dottat you will successfully boot any of our official software versions regardless of what version you're coming from. This presumes the prerequisite that you're s-off in order to permit downgrading (if you choose) and/or use of some of his s-off-required RUUs. With as full-proof as those RUUs seem to be, the worst case scenario is that your device bootloops requiring another RUU. I don't know that you're at all too much risk of bricking your phone provided you are flashing files that are meant for your exact model (be weary of flashing international/AT&T RUUs and such to a verizon phone) and are following instructions.
Regarding sunshine, as long as you don't issue specific fastboot commands to relock the bootloader or turn s-on, then you should have no further use for Sunshine. The only reason I can see someone taking updates incrementally is if they want to take them OTA. However, if you're s-off then I would highly recommend just using an RUU. None of the RUUs or firmware update zips will relock the bootloader or turn s-on. I can think of very few reasons to do either of those with the exception of returning to full stock for a warranty return. I believe that all of the RUUs will restore stock recovery, but since they don't relock the bootloader, you can always just flash back your custom recovery via fastboot or bootloader and re-root your stock rom. Alternatively, once you have a custom recovery you can flash any one of the many custom roms which will almost certainly come pre-rooted.