Hi all, my first post here.
Just got my Desire S this last week and have been on a bit of a rollercoaster ride. To sum it up:
Got phone
Discovered phone to be 1.47.401.4 with HBOOT 0.98.0002
Temp rooted with fre3vo
Used Revolutionary 0.4pre to S-OFF phone
Installed ClockworkModRecovery
Installed SU
Checked for updates and discovered OTA firmware update available
Tried to upgrade via OTA update but failed due to it not being compatible with CWMR
Tried to update using a 2.10 RUU but got stuck in a bootloop
Reflashed CMWR and restored my backed up pre-RUU install system
Flashed stock recovery from 1.47.401.4 RUU
Tried to upgrade via OTA update but failed due to stuck in bootloop
Flashed CMWR and restored system
Created a gold card and tried to return to stuck using 1.47.401.4 RUU but failed because RUU said nothing I was already at 1.47.401.4 :-/
Restored stock recovery, stock radio and stock HBOOT
As far as I can tell this should put me back where I started with the phone, other than having the superuser binaries in place.
My HBOOT looks normal (0.98.0002) and the radio restore went fine and the stock recovery is in place (Used bootloader to start recovery and got /!\ icon (I'm guessing because no OTA zip on device right now?)).
So, will it be safe for me to try and OTA now with a good chance of success?
If I get stuck in a bootloop will I have any way to recovery?
My advice, is to immediately stop trying to do OTA updates, as all you'll achieve is a locked down phone that can only be unlocked by HTCdev which will limit you
Use revolutionary to unlock s-off phone, flash a custom and never look back
Swyped form ym Dersie S unsig XAD Permuim
Right, but that doesn't actually answer my question.
Also, I was under the impression that a bootloader unlocked with HTCdev can have a custom recovery image installed much the same as an S-OFF bootloader can.
What limitations are you talking about.
I don't particularly want to use a custom ROM because I am pretty happy with the basic Sense experience so far.
I have seen that there is a thread providing rooted "stock" roms but I want to know all my options, including OTA.
OOPMan said:
Right, but that doesn't actually answer my question.
Also, I was under the impression that a bootloader unlocked with HTCdev can have a custom recovery image installed much the same as an S-OFF bootloader can.
What limitations are you talking about.
I don't particularly want to use a custom ROM because I am pretty happy with the basic Sense experience so far.
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HTCdev unlocked phones aren't able to flash their boot partition from recovery, which means you'll require to seperately flash boot.img through fast boot every tine you change roms
You aren't able to change radios unless you're s-off
Look at the ROM that I'm on which if stock sense 3.5 plus lots of quality additions, stunning
As I said don't worry about ota just wait for the update to come then custom will be made from it that will be better
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I'm a bit wary of custom roms. My previous phone was a SE X10 Mini Pro. Terrible phone with terrible stock software and most of the user-made roms for it are no better. The phone is only decent with a specific CM-based mod and other than that it was the pits.
I've been pretty happy with the basic Desire S rom so far. Is there anything which can honestly be classified as "must have" about any of the custom roms out there?
I'm quite happy to wait for the official ICS update and my wife will certainly rest easier knowing that I'm not about to totally mess up my new phone...
see this thread for evidence of the quality of the two best custom roms on this device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1597729
The endymion ROM that I'm on is sense 3.5 so a step ahead of the sense 2.1 or 3.0 that you have used.
These roms are super stable, more so than stock.
Read the thread of the ROM for details see links in my signature
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I see. You still haven't answered my original questions though:
Can I use an OTA update at this point?
If something goes wrong, what options do I have for recovery?
If I do decide to install Hyperion then thanks for the info on it but for now that's not actually what I'm asking...
Also, I have another question to add:
If I do decide to update via the official OTA update and then root my phone would I still be able to restore my HBOOT via the method described in this post. I used the described method to return my HBOOT from the Revolutionary version to 0.98.0002 with no issues but would the same trick work with the newer HBOOT? If the phone were updated via OTA and the HBOOT restored in this method would the official rom still boot (I ask because I found that even when I was able to get the OTA installed by restorting the stock recovery it bootlooped and I suspect this was becauce the OTA did not update the HBOOT...)
ben_pyett said:
My advice, is to immediately stop trying to do OTA updates, as all you'll achieve is a locked down phone that can only be unlocked by HTCdev which will limit you
Use revolutionary to unlock s-off phone, flash a custom and never look back
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He answered this question with first post.
But, what the hell do you want to achieve?? You have your device one week and messed it up more than I did in 10 months.
you cannot root and still get official ota updates. It's not possible. And anything you can get through ota update can be found here on xda too.
Please tell us what you want to do and remember that you cannot mix up rooting and ota updates.
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Okay, this is really simple:
I want to be able to perform the OTA ICS update when it comes out.
I am not particularly interested in running a custom rom. I had my fill of non-working hardware and random instability with user roms for about 6 months with the X10 minipro.
Due to changing financial circumstances I need to be careful with this phone because if it dies or gets bricked I am not going to be able to get a new one that costs more than R500 until my next contractual upgrade which is going to be happening in 2 years time. I would prefer to have a useful phone for the next 2 years rather than a dumb block with no ability besides incoming/outgoing calls.
That means none of the horsing about I did with my X10 minipro.
You may now say "Hold on, why did you root your rom in the first place then?" and I can answer "Force of habit from using that X10 minipro which was terrible unless rooted and updated with a custom firmware and even then it was a pain".
Look, if you guys can honestly tell me in that XYZ custom rom is the best way to ensure that my phone stays in a working condition for the next 2 years and gets some form of update to ICS that works 100% and is stable then I will go the custom rom route.
My custom rom experience on the X10 minipro was not all bad, just mostly so which gives me pause when it comes to doing any more monkeying about.
Okay, no I can understand your worries and fears. And also what you where doing.
situation similar to me, I could afford that phone only with a 2 year contract, so I'm f*cked up if I f*ck it up
I had to go back to my Sony erricsson Walkman handy if I mess up the desire s.
Let me tell you something:
I think all roms offered in the development section are build very well. There are some unstable roms, but that is due to the lack of kernel 3.0.
but I can really tell you for sure that endymion (I'm talking about that one because it is the best/most stable sense 3.5 ROM out there for our device) is the most rock solid ROM you'll ever use. It has 100% fully working hardware, just like stock. And I am really talking about 100%, not 99
and it offers much more functionality than stock, due to allot of performance improvements and tweaks, that make it much smoother and stable than stock. I never had a reboot, freeze or anything like that in 4 months of heavy usage. You really can rely on lowveld and his work.
Of course you should be careful, it's an expensive device though.
I'm double reading everything and am very careful too, but I managed to never have any problem I couldn't solve myself. (forgot wipe before flashing etc... Nothing bad)
If you make a clean, correct install, there is nothing better you can do and you'll play a safe game.
BUT you will not be able to receive ota updates.
anyways, when the ics update is been released for our device, there will be a huge amount of roms based on that update. maybe this will be even before you can receive the update over the air. You will for sure be able to upgrade to ics, without using the ota update.
And those roms will quickly become same stable because of the kernel 3.0 will be available than.
That text was really hard for me, because of my limited English skills.. That's all I learned-by-doing
I hope I could help you a little bit
PS: endymion is what stock sense 3.5 should have been.
Sent by my fingers to your head.
Thanks for the info guys. I guess I will give Endymion a try and keep my fingers crossed
Tell us if you succeeded and how you like it
Sent by my fingers to your head.
Thanks, will do.
BTW, which recovery should I should for flashing Endymion?
Whichever recovery you have installed.
4EXT is the most popular here but a lot of people still use Clockwork Mod recovery.
If you don't plan to use recovery a lot then just stick to what you have. If you do flash a lot, like a lot of the people here, then you might like to use 4EXT touch for a nicer interface. Either way, it doesn't make a difference, both will end up achieving the same result.
If you haven't got a recovery installed all you have to do is download either ROM Manager or 4EXT Recovery Updater, install the app and flash the recovery. You probably know this though!
Anyway 4EXT can be found here:
http://4ext.net/
The paid version is available in the play store and CWM can be found in ROM manager from the play store.
OOPMan said:
Thanks, will do.
BTW, which recovery should I should for flashing Endymion?
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I'm using 4ext but cwm does the job too. And you also can change the recovery later though.
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Thanks for the advice guys. I installed Endymion this morning with no issues and am finding it very nice
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Thanks for the advice guys. I installed Endymion this morning with no issues and am finding it very nice
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Glad you managed it.. I'm sure you won't regret
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Hi,
First post (yay!) so I have a few questions:
1. Where is the 'thanks' button? There are loads of you I wanted to thank but it has not shown up on my forums where the help section said it would be. Has shown up now - guess I had to make a post before I could thanks people
2. I have the emmc chip that is prone to failure but after reading the forums it seems there may be a way to recover from it - is that right, and the chip is no longer a big problem? (Absolutely cannot afford to brick this phone as it's a present from a wife already angry that I rooted it)
3. Should I try to upgrade my HBOOT to 2.00.2002 and Radio (to what? the PCIMG88.zip from the Chinese website?) and install a new ROM, or try and revert everything back to s-on, unrooted stock rom and wait for the official update that is rolling out now in the UK? I'd prefer the option with the least chance of stress and bricking the phone.
4. After flashing a new ROM (if I do) I understand I should avoid updating/installing apps at the same time so my emmc chip isn't fried - can I reinstall 1 by 1 from Titanium backup, and won't Google start trying to download and install everything else at once? How do I avoid that?
I'm in the UK on T-Mobile PAYG with (I think) an unbranded Desire S
Android Version
2.3.3
HTC Version
2.1
Baseband Version
20.28b.30..0805u_38.03.02.11_M
Kernal Version
2.6.35.10-g13f6602
[email protected]#1
Build Number
1.28.401.1 CL24243 release-keys
Softawre Number
1.28.401.1
Saga PVT Ship S-off RL
hboot 6.98.1002
radio 38.03.02.11_Me
1.look at bottom right corner
4.if u restore all apps with titanium backup at once its ok, i think..
but when u setup your phone dont add google account to sync your app..
restore your apps and then add it..
take a look to ben_pyett signature for some useful links..
Theses are just my opinions
Thanks button to bottom right of each post next to edit button,
Don't bother upgrading you're hboot to 2.xx.xxxx (not yet any benefit)
Don't bother going back to s-on.
Don't pull battery.
I'd try to install the normal ENG bootloader over your revolutionary one if you can.
I'd also suggest installing the 4 EXT recovery instead of Cwm.
Don't do anything to you're device that you don't fully understand.
You've done the most difficult part making your device s-off now install some quality custom roms and enjoy it.
Always take full nandroid device backups prior to performing any steps on your device, so that you have a safe point to roll back to in case of problems.
When installing a new custom ROM don't enter your google account details until the last stage of the setup after the device had stopped all configuration, then go into the market app and check to see of it's installing any apps, if it is then cancel downloads, only some versions of market attempt the parallel download of several apps which has been linked to killing eMMC. Later one download one application at a time which seems ok..add suggested advice I also use titanium backup app to restore my apps after the new installation of a ROM rather than relying on market installs.
There is now more information on the eMMC issue, what was previously thought of a dead device can now be recovered but each instance is unique.
Enjoy
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Guys,
Thanks for the replies - when I asked about the Thanks button it wasn't there, it only appeared after I posted so that is sorted now.
Ben, I do have 4EXT already installed and a backup, this isn't my first android phone but I would still class myself as a noob - I think I know what I'm doing generally but probably don't.
I think I might try for the ENG Hboot if I can find that post but I thought I would need the 2.00.2002 Hboot for sense 3.0 roms.
What is the advantage of the ENG Hboot over the revolutionary one?
Also, I'm wondering if I will receive an OTA option to update since I have s-off and rooted - I'm pretty sure I should not accept as it looks like some people have been experiencing problems trying to install the OTA over their non-stock phones/settings.
Can anyone confirm that:
1) my phone would see the update if it rolls out and
2) I should not install it unless I go back to stock rom and s-on?
Installing a new ROM will alert my wife to the fact I have rooted it so I'm in no hurry until I decide I can't live without some spectacular new features
Yep, DO NOT INSTALL THE OTA
^when you are rooted and s-off.
It will lead to problems.
I'd really suggest you try out Hyperion ROM/Saga 3D
They are like the stock ROMs with sense 3.0 (new OTA based)
They are optimised and better than the stock ota anyway
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4myphone said:
Guys,
Thanks for the replies - when I asked about the Thanks button it wasn't there, it only appeared after I posted so that is sorted now.
Ben, I do have 4EXT already installed and a backup, this isn't my first android phone but I would still class myself as a noob - I think I know what I'm doing generally but probably don't.
I think I might try for the ENG Hboot if I can find that post but I thought I would need the 2.00.2002 Hboot for sense 3.0 roms.
What is the advantage of the ENG Hboot over the revolutionary one?
Also, I'm wondering if I will receive an OTA option to update since I have s-off and rooted - I'm pretty sure I should not accept as it looks like some people have been experiencing problems trying to install the OTA over their non-stock phones/settings.
Can anyone confirm that:
1) my phone would see the update if it rolls out and
2) I should not install it unless I go back to stock rom and s-on?
Installing a new ROM will alert my wife to the fact I have rooted it so I'm in no hurry until I decide I can't live without some spectacular new features
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You shouldn't even consider OTA updates unless you're S-ON and STOCK....
certainly don't try it on a rooted device, just asking for trouble...I always simply disable the check for updates and Tell HTC features..
There are benefits to having ENG HBOOT (although I'm not 100% of all of them) I believe that you're able to downgrade easier, should you require the HBOOT number also doesn't stand out like a sore thumb......6.xx.xxxx should you want to return device!
All the new Sense 3.0 and Sense 3.5 ROMS work on old HBOOT, so just no point in upgrading, I did the upgrade before I released this and it's not worth going back.
EDIT: You also need to have a word with the misses! It's now your phone so you should be able to do what you want to it - whatever makes you happy!!
ben_pyett said:
You shouldn't even consider OTA updates unless you're S-ON and STOCK....
certainly don't try it on a rooted device, just asking for trouble...I always simply disable the check for updates and Tell HTC features..
There are benefits to having ENG HBOOT (although I'm not 100% of all of them) I believe that you're able to downgrade easier, should you require the HBOOT number also doesn't stand out like a sore thumb......6.xx.xxxx should you want to return device!
All the new Sense 3.0 and Sense 3.5 ROMS work on old HBOOT, so just no point in upgrading, I did the upgrade before I released this and it's not worth going back.
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Was the hboot update 2.xxxx official, or was it from the Goapk forums?
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Was the hboot update 2.xxxx official, or was it from the Goapk forums?
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Mine? think it was from the forums, but, same version number as OTA released HBOOT? why do you ask?
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Mine? think it was from the forums, but, same version number as OTA released HBOOT? why do you ask?
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Oh, just wondering, as i never saw the update posted officially...
So if it is official, why does the official sense 3.0 rom not make full use of the new partitions?
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Oh, just wondering, as i never saw the update posted officially...
So if it is official, why does the official sense 3.0 rom not make full use of the new partitions?
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I believe this is because the cooks have made it this way.....My understanding is that the "official" S-On OTA upgrade installs the new version HBOOT and makes use of this new layout.
Someone correct me if this is wrong?
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I believe this is because the cooks have made it this way.....My understanding is that the "official" S-On OTA upgrade installs the new version HBOOT and makes use of this new layout.
Someone correct me if this is wrong?
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Oh right !
How can a OTA install a new hboot, radio, and complete new UI, but the user doesn't lose any data ?!
It's strange .. when we want to upgrade, we have to do a full wipe
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Hi all
I just wanted to make this post to make sure I know the exact process before I go ahead with this. Let me give you a little background....
I got a T-Mobile branded Desire S about 8 months ago and left it completely stock, after a while had an OTA update and from then on had constant problems with not receiving txts etc. So I S-offed and rooted with the RevX website and manually updated the radio to the latest version I could find. This fixed all my problems and everything was fine for months but then one day the phone just froze and without reading up too much I just started pressing buttons to reset/pulled the battery etc and ended up killing the phone completely.
Fast forward to now and I've just got a replacement phone but it has the older software on again so I'm not receiving txt messages again. I guess I need to update the radio image again to sort it but was hoping someone could let me know the exact process.
I assume I should use the RevX website again to S-Off/root then install CWM and the updates but which order and which versions should I be installing? I want to get it right up to date with 3.3.5 and sense 3.0 but not one of the custom ROMs.
Really appreciate anyone who takes the time to answer so thanks in advance.
First of all, please post stuff like this in Q&A. Secondly alpharevx is outdated now. Use revolutionary to S-OFF.
But now I'm confused. Do you want to update the radio and then S-ON again and get the latest update, or install a stock rom?
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Well ideally I'd like to not need to do anything! but at the moment I don't receive txt messages so I need to get it working. I don't want to use custom roms anyway so just need to upgrade to the latest official version.
If I understand correctly from what I've read I should use revolutionary to s-off then a program to root the phone. Then I could install 4ext and then install one of the 3.3.5 versions that works on a s-off/rooted phone and then finally update the radio to the version that works with 3.3.5?
Been reading up a little more and I will be using revolutionary to s-off the phone but should I install the recovery that comes with that? I assume this is CWM? Can I then overwrite it with 4ext if I want to?
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Been reading up a little more and I will be using revolutionary to s-off the phone but should I install the recovery that comes with that? I assume this is CWM? Can I then overwrite it with 4ext if I want to?
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Yes, you can.
Hi all,
I've been trying to update my HTC Desire S for a few days.
I want to update from Android 2.3.3 to 2.5 but I can't get it to work.
I will try to provide you with as much info as possible.
I have a rooted phone and I've also made backups of my ROM and apps using clockworkmod and titanium backup.
Now, if I try to update from within Android (I get a message sayin an OTA update is waiting for me) then it will reboot, but get stucked at the infamous white triangle with yellow exclamation mark.
Next thing I tried is booting in recovery mode and select apply update from zip file.
This gives me a whole list of errors, and I thought the update file was corrupt.
Note that every time the phone gets stucked I remove the battery, otherwhise I can't boot the phone again.
Now, I deleted the update from my sdcard and downloaded it again. Tried the same steps but nothing happened.
Last time I tried to get into recovery mode it got stuck at the pink T-Mobile logo. I'm looking at this screen for half an hour now.
To make a long story short:
- Update from 2.3.3 to 2.5
- Carriër: T-Mobile (NL)
- Phone: HTC Desire S
- ROOT: YES!
- HBOOT: 6.98.1002
- RADIO: 3805.06.02.03_M
I hope anyone is able to help me with this, right now I don't know what my phone is doing, and I cannot use it.
Best regards,
Marcoevich
Ok, I've removed the battery and managed to boot it again.
Now, I renamed the update file to update.zip and put it in the rood of my sdcard.
I got into recovery mode again, tried update from zip file on sdcard. Here's the error I got:
assert failed: check_cid(getprop("ro.cid"). "0000000" , "1111111" , "2222222" , "3333333" , "4444444" , "5555555" , "6666666" , "7777777" , "8888888" , "9999999" , "T-MOB003") == "t"
E:Error in /sdcard/update.zip
(Status 7)
Installation aborted.
If you can get into recovery again I would recommend trying to restore your back up. You should not try to apply an OTA update to a rooted phone at all, you could have got a 2.5 update from a thread here. Sorry I can't help more but as far as I know you really need to get into recovery and get the back up restored or try and flash a new ROM.
Yeah, try a custom rom out there. Saga3D v4 is based on official desire s sense 3 update. Official ota can't work because hboot needs to ne updated (new partition table), and revolutionary hboot (6.98.0002) can't be overwritten by ota. Plus official ota needs stock recovery. Clockworkmod, 4ext recovery won't work. So either restore your backup or try a custom rom
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Ok thx. Didn't knew i couldn't apply an OTA over a rooted ROM. I thought I would only lose my root after update.
But I've done some research in the meantime. I think I'm gonna flash the latest coredroid ROM, that one looks very promising
Thx again for your help, but I got one more question.
First i'd like to test the original htc OTA. So a workaround for that is restore my backup from before I rooted the phone.
The only thing is, will I be able to go back to the rooted ROM afterwards? OR do I need to root it again?
Well that is a little more complicated. The problem applying ota isn't the rooted rom, it is the custom recovery. Ota needs stock recovery to work.
And if you restore stock recovery and apply ota, your only possibility to root will be using htcdev unlock and permanently losing your warranty. (Htc will register your serial number and will be able to say that you voided your warranty)
Better using a custom rom.
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Lol, I didn't saw that one comming
If I go to the htcdev site, I get the idea that HTC supports software development, and that it will repair phones even if they are rooted. So what's the point here? Why can't I 'normally' root my phone after upgrade to android 2.5?
Ok, to make things more clear for myself and others, I've done a conversation with an employee of the Dutch customer care department. I've translated the conversation to English, so you can understand it.
Here you go:
You are now connected with Susan.
Susan: Dear Marcoevich, thank you for your contacting HTC customer support.
Susan: What is your question exactly?
Marcoevich: Hey susan
Marcoevich: I will explain
Marcoevich: I have a rooted Desire S with Android 2.3.3
Marcoevich: Now I get an OTA update to Android 2.5 and Sense 3.0
Marcoevich: that update should be easy to apply when I restore a backup from Before my root
Marcoevich: But if I then go back to a custom ROM it is another story
Marcoevich: according to my friends at xda-developers I should do that with the htcdev unlock tool.
Marcoevich: but then I will lose all my warranty
Marcoevich: is that right?
Susan: Yes, if the unit is rooted u will void the warranty on your device. I understand that you have done this already?
Marcoevich: It is. but I think I read somewhere that HTC supports software development, and will fix rooted phones since August last year
Susan: HTC repairs the phones as usual, but the costs will be payed by the customer.
Marcoevich: Ah I see.
Marcoevich: What's the difference between a normal root or unlock the recovery using the htcdev tool? Because according to xda-developers I am losing my full warranty
Susan: It is exactly the same. No mather how you root the phone, you always lose the warranty.
Marcoevich: Hmm ok sin..
Marcoevich: I have one more question
Marcoevich: it is possible to restore your phone using a backup from before you rooted it.
Marcoevich: Can anyone, after I do this, see afterwards that it was a rooted phone?
Susan: I can give no answer. If a technician can see that the device has been rooted, it will be outside warranty. It is up to the repairers from Dynafix to determine this eventually.
Marcoevich: ok fine Thanks for your time!
Susan: Can I help you with anything else today?
Marcoevich: No, I understand now, I think
Marcoevich: thanks for your help!
To make a long story short: No matter how you root it, you will always lose your full warranty.
That's good to know
Edit: One more question remains: If I restore my phone with a backup from BEFORE I rooted it, will someone be able to see that it was a rooted phone?
Thanks in advance!
Marcoevich
Marcoevich said:
To make a long story short: No matter how you root it, you will always lose your full warranty.
That's good to know
Edit: One more question remains: If I restore my phone with a backup from BEFORE I rooted it, will someone be able to see that it was a rooted phone?
Thanks in advance!
Marcoevich
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As I understand it, no.
If you root it using htcdev they will have a record that you accepted their terms and conditions and rooted the phone thus voiding your warranty. If you have rooted using another method (Revolutionary for example) they have NO record that the phone was ever rooted.
You SHOULD be able to either restore your back-up (I'm not sure if this will bring it right back to stock, how did you make the back-up if it wasn't rooted?) or alternatively flash the stock rom you originally had from this site. There are threads on doing this right, and it will return your phone to stock, no one will be able to tell it was once rooted and you can then also download and apply the OTA update. I'm not quite sure why you might want to do that though as there are roms available here based on the ota update already, and much more exciting roms available as well. You should try some of these first before losing root with the ota update.
Also in future or for others reading this with similar situations: as Floatshow said I think the problem is partly caused by the revolutionary hboot being changed to 6.98.000, which the phone sees as higher than the ota roms hboot - to avoid this kind of problem it might be best to flash a new hboot - there are threads on this in the development section.
Good luck!
Thank you 4myphone! You explained it very clear
I made a backup using ROM Manager of my stock ROM. I hope the hboot etc is included in such a backup?
Thx for your explanation, I understand it now and if I ever have to send my phone to HTC I will use this site to return my phone to stock. I'm glad that it's possible
Best regards,
Marcoevich
Good question! I don't know if the hboot is part of the backup, it certainly doesn't change when you switch roms. I'd guess that restoring a back up would not change the hboot but I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong. Let me know if you test it
Nope. The hboot would NEVER be included in the recovery backup.
I have ATT HOX 2.20, unlocked, rooted, superCID, S-off, latest TWRP (thanks to all of you). I'm prett lost as to where to go next. I'd like to keep all of this and update to the latest stock ota Jellybean. However, when I check for ATT updates on the phone, nothing happens, even when I manually check in.
I would like the latest and greatest on this phone but more important is full functionality and full stability. If I could hit a button, return this phone to original, and download the latest ota, I would. I would then just use Titanium Backup to remove any bloatware that I didn't like. But I (and I suspect many others) spent weeks unlocking this phone because it was unclear when, or if, an official JB would ever arrive. So here I am, stuck in an inbetween moment. The part where this site offers way too many options with unclear results. I am looking for the least complicated, way to get the most fully functional and stable JB onto this phone and I'll be done. And, I can't figure out if it's the official update or one of a thousand offered Roms, kernels, radios, etc. Any and all specific advice would be appreciated. And, as always, thank you to all who post here. I've had a lot of fun (and a few scary moments).
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I have ATT HOX 2.20, unlocked, rooted, superCID, S-off, latest TWRP (thanks to all of you). I'm prett lost as to where to go next. I'd like to keep all of this and update to the latest stock ota Jellybean. However, when I check for ATT updates on the phone, nothing happens, even when I manually check in.
I would like the latest and greatest on this phone but more important is full functionality and full stability. If I could hit a button, return this phone to original, and download the latest ota, I would. I would then just use Titanium Backup to remove any bloatware that I didn't like. But I (and I suspect many others) spent weeks unlocking this phone because it was unclear when, or if, an official JB would ever arrive. So here I am, stuck in an inbetween moment. The part where this site offers way too many options with unclear results. I am looking for the least complicated, way to get the most fully functional and stable JB onto this phone and I'll be done. And, I can't figure out if it's the official update or one of a thousand offered Roms, kernels, radios, etc. Any and all specific advice would be appreciated. And, as always, thank you to all who post here. I've had a lot of fun (and a few scary moments).
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Why do you want to go stock? Stock currently has only 4.1.1. There are various ROMs on the XDA, if you want a sense one try out the Viper XL and also there are various options for non-sense ROMs.
Anyways if you do want to flash the stock ROM here is the link: -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2181399
Make sure you rea carefully before you flash the stock one from anywhere. There have been bricks. Also check out the FAQs. Hope this helped
runaway said:
I have ATT HOX 2.20, unlocked, rooted, superCID, S-off, latest TWRP (thanks to all of you). I'm prett lost as to where to go next. I'd like to keep all of this and update to the latest stock ota Jellybean. However, when I check for ATT updates on the phone, nothing happens, even when I manually check in.
I would like the latest and greatest on this phone but more important is full functionality and full stability. If I could hit a button, return this phone to original, and download the latest ota, I would. I would then just use Titanium Backup to remove any bloatware that I didn't like. But I (and I suspect many others) spent weeks unlocking this phone because it was unclear when, or if, an official JB would ever arrive. So here I am, stuck in an inbetween moment. The part where this site offers way too many options with unclear results. I am looking for the least complicated, way to get the most fully functional and stable JB onto this phone and I'll be done. And, I can't figure out if it's the official update or one of a thousand offered Roms, kernels, radios, etc. Any and all specific advice would be appreciated. And, as always, thank you to all who post here. I've had a lot of fun (and a few scary moments).
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I think pretty much everybody here will tell you to stay away from the new ota. It offers nothing new and some people have even bricked their phones while updating. My suggestion would be to install one of the custom roms as they're better optimissed and don't have all the bloat and are more customizable. I've found viperxl to be as stable as stock while adding a load of tweaks to highly personalize it. Cleanrom on the other hand doesn't have all the tweaks but is a stripped down Rom that's fast and stable. But you'll have to try you like best but I advise you not to ota. The ota will also update your touchscreen firmware that causes a lot of problems for cm users. If you think you might want to install cm10 don't update.
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If you want stock flash CleanROM 6 r2. In fact, just flash everything in my signature + turge's WiFi fix. That will give you the latest "stock" experience for AT&T.
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There's no need to "stay away" from the OTA if you know what you're doing. It contains some updates that are not in any of the Sense ROMs. If you want to update everything on your phone, it's easy and safe to do so since you're s-off. The only people who bricked were SuperCID and s-on. Here's what to do:
-Confirm that you're s-off (just to be safe)
-Make a full backup and copy it off your phone.
-Run 2.20 ruu. You need this to restore stock recovery.
-Download the ota, rename update.zip, and copy to internal storage.
-Reboot to bootloader, select recovery, press power and vol+ to get to recovery dialog.
-Ignore errors that come up. Select install from internal storage, select update.zip. Your phone may reboot a couple of times. Return to bootloader when done.
-Push custom recovery back on.
-Flash rooted rom
-Restore backups as necessary
I did all this a couple of weeks ago, and my phone is running faster and more smoothly than ever.
You will need to downgrade your touchscreen firmware if you ever plan to use an AOSP rom.
I'll try this
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There's no need to "stay away" from the OTA if you know what you're doing. It contains some updates that are not in any of the Sense ROMs. If you want to update everything on your phone, it's easy and safe to do so since you're s-off. The only people who bricked were SuperCID and s-on. Here's what to do:
-Confirm that you're s-off (just to be safe)
-Make a full backup and copy it off your phone.
-Run 2.20 ruu. You need this to restore stock recovery.
-Download the ota, rename update.zip, and copy to internal storage.
-Reboot to bootloader, select recovery, press power and vol+ to get to recovery dialog.
-Ignore errors that come up. Select install from internal storage, select update.zip. Your phone may reboot a couple of times. Return to bootloader when done.
-Push custom recovery back on.
-Flash rooted rom
-Restore backups as necessary
I did all this a couple of weeks ago, and my phone is running faster and more smoothly than ever.
You will need to downgrade your touchscreen firmware if you ever plan to use an AOSP rom.
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This is what I'm looking for. My second choice would be the highly recommended Viper Rom, and thirdly a CleanRom. I tried the CleanRom once and softbricked my phone so I'm a little shy now. I like the HTC Sense and don't mind keeping it. I just want a ROM designed specifically for this phone where everything works, is updated, and is stable. I feel like the official ota is the answer. The info on this site gets quite scattered when you get to this point. Do I stay locked, or do I re-lock? Do I keep TWRP or not? Do I flash or update? Boot image extract or no? S-off ok or no? etc. etc. I'll try your way first. Provided I come out the other side ok, I'll post the results here. Thank you for your help.
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This is what I'm looking for. My second choice would be the highly recommended Viper Rom, and thirdly a CleanRom. I tried the CleanRom once and softbricked my phone so I'm a little shy now. I like the HTC Sense and don't mind keeping it. I just want a ROM designed specifically for this phone where everything works, is updated, and is stable. I feel like the official ota is the answer. The info on this site gets quite scattered when you get to this point. Do I stay locked, or do I re-lock? Do I keep TWRP or not? Do I flash or update? Boot image extract or no? S-off ok or no? etc. etc. I'll try your way first. Provided I come out the other side ok, I'll post the results here. Thank you for your help.
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Also, to clarify, by "backup" I meant both a nandroid (always a good idea when making changes), and your user apps+data.
When restoring, only restore user apps. A nandroid will put you back where you were. Don't restore system apps+data either, as this can cause problems, esp when upgrading your base.
iElvis said:
Also, to clarify, by "backup" I meant both a nandroid (always a good idea when making changes), and your user apps+data.
When restoring, only restore user apps. A nandroid will put you back where you were. Don't restore system apps+data either, as this can cause problems, esp when upgrading your base.
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Just to confirm, After downloading OTA and doing my backups, I need to find the original 2.20 file for this phone and restore stock recovery? (I'll have to admit, I'm a bit lost on this site and overwhelmed by all of the files I've downloaded to get this far. If anyone can post a link here to this file, and or, instructions, I'd appreciate it)
Here is where I stand right now:
Andriod 4.04, HTC Sense 4.0, Software number 2.20.502.7 710RD, HTC SDK API level 4.23
Tampered
Unlocked
EVITA PVT SHIP S-OFF RL
CID-11111111
HBOOT-1.14.0002
RADIO-0.19as32.09.11-2
OpenDSP-v29.1.0.45.0622
eMMc-boot
Jun 11 2012 14:36:28
runaway said:
Just to confirm, After downloading OTA and doing my backups, I need to find the original 2.20 file for this phone and restore stock recovery? (I'll have to admit, I'm a bit lost on this site and overwhelmed by all of the files I've downloaded to get this far. If anyone can post a link here to this file, and or, instructions, I'd appreciate it)
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Yes, there is a link to the 2.20 ruu in the development section roll-up thread.
All, please be aware that S-OFF is not a trivial thing to do - once you are S-OFF, you will NOT be able to go S-ON again, try and you'll have a nice mini paperweight!
You'll find that S-OFF can cause more problems than it can "solve" - a quick search will show that you may (actually, most likely will) have to keep your bootloader LOCKED to boot your ROM - a locked bootloader = no fastboot = no flashing new boot or recovery images. UNLOCKED = boot loop city, with you as the mayor!
The only way to use fastboot would be to run revone via adb shell or the TWRP built-in terminal, boot to hboot, do your fastboot stuff, then revone again to relock the bootloader so you can actually boot your ROM.
The reason that S-OFF became a popular was to remove HTC's system protection - system protection basically removes any changes made to the system and reverts to the original system image every time you reboot. REALLY annoying. S-OFF allows system mods, which is a good thing, BUT: It's NOT necessary, as the proper solution is a custom kernel which removes the system protection without you risking a bricked phone.
Bottom line is, AVOID S-OFF if you can.
S-OFF does have benefits and is very handy in certain situations, but felt that people should also be aware of the risks, and think before doing it, "Do I REALLY need to do this, or can I wait a short time after an Android version upgrade for a modded kernel, or ROM with kernel mods?"
I've now helped 16 members out of soft bricks, it's a long and laborious process - everybody wants the latest and greatest (I know I do!), but a little forethought and patience may save you £500 buying a new phone to get the latest and greatest. There is no claiming on warranty or asking for a refund for your brick.
Is this true, you can't turn s-on again without bricking the phone?
Also I'm currently s-off with an unlocked boot loader and don't suffer any boot loops. Using Magio R3 JB4.22 and JMZ kernel. Maybe you would suffer boot loops with a different setup, I don't know..
Also the kernel I'm using I'm sure has system protection disabled. Does this make s-off pointless for me? Does this do the same as s-off?
cheers.
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You my friend, are a smart man. You've stuck with a stable ROM which has a lot of solid development work which had been tested and verified. JMZ knows exactly what he is doing, and produced a kernel which, as you correctly pointed out, negated the need to s-off. ALL of the issues reported for 4.3 are down to people buggering about with something they don't really understand.
Stay stable.
Just in case I did at some point want to update my rom at a later date to 4.3 or maybe 4.4 when it's released, will I have issues being s-off? And is it possible to undo s-off? Or could I leave it as is without issues? I just want to be clear on this. Cheers.
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RuffBuster said:
Just in case I did at some point want to update my rom at a later date to 4.3 or maybe 4.4 when it's released, will I have issues being s-off? And is it possible to undo s-off? Or could I leave it as is without issues? I just want to be clear on this. Cheers.
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There are roms for 4.3 (stock deodexed by tr1gg3r) which have a modded kernel which removes system protection, so no need for s-off - there is a new 4.3 magio rom coming very soon, I've been beta testing for a week.... It's sweeeeeeet! It's going to be about 60% smaller than the usual mini ROM due to getting rid of the massive amount of bloat.... Fast, trim, and battery life is a good 40% better!
When kitkat arrives (in February apparently!), it will be system protected, so I don't doubt the whole "stock/s-off" thing will kick off again - my advice to everyone is to have patience, a modded kernel included in a rom will be available a few days after the OTA....
Going s-off then attempting s-on is very risky.....
Hope this helps!
nelvinchi said:
There are roms for 4.3 (stock deodexed by tr1gg3r) which have a modded kernel which removes system protection, so no need for s-off - there is a new 4.3 magio rom coming very soon, I've been beta testing for a week.... It's sweeeeeeet! It's going to be about 60% smaller than the usual mini ROM due to getting rid of the massive amount of bloat.... Fast, trim, and battery life is a good 40% better!
When kitkat arrives (in February apparently!), it will be system protected, so I don't doubt the whole "stock/s-off" thing will kick off again - my advice to everyone is to have patience, a modded kernel included in a rom will be available a few days after the OTA....
Going s-off then attempting s-on is very risky.....
Hope this helps!
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so once u s-off, is better to stay s-off right? Unless u have to exchange for warranty or something then u would have to take the risk to s-on. And btw what is that 4.3 Rom? Is it like a stock Rom or sense Rom?
@abzboi "And btw what is that 4.3 Rom? Is it like a stock Rom or sense Rom?"
it is the 4.3 rom that you have been discussing with tr1gg3r84 on his magiorom thread !!
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so once u s-off, is better to stay s-off right? Unless u have to exchange for warranty or something then u would have to take the risk to s-on. And btw what is that 4.3 Rom? Is it like a stock Rom or sense Rom?
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Warranty - If you touch the bootloader in ANY way, s-off/s-on, whatever, the device is MARKED and no tool or method to re-stock can hide this - if it goes back to HTC and is checked, they WILL know you have messed about with it. Fact.
For whatever reason someone has gone s-off, it's best not to mess about with it, the more modding the messier it gets. Google "back to s-on" and you'll see so many horror stories, and so many "HOW to return to 100% STOCK - 100% working!". Yeah, right.
S-OFF is unnecessary UNLESS you are an actual DEVELOPER, and have a full understanding of android and HTC system. 4.3 came out, people posted OTA's, then everyone found that they couldn't flash it as they were rooted/custom rom/custom recovery - ooooh, if i go back to "stock" i'll be able to install it. Errrr, I think you'll find that the majority of people who attempted to "re-stock" found that, "re-stock" = soft brick.
Stock rom IS sense rom
Braddison said:
@abzboi "And btw what is that 4.3 Rom? Is it like a stock Rom or sense Rom?"
it is the 4.3 rom that you have been discussing with tr1gg3r84 on his magiorom thread !!
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Indeed it is. I've been beta testing versions for the past couple of weeks, and can confirm it's fast, slim, and de-bloated. Battery life is around 40% better....
@nelvinchi brilliant ! i've came from an galaxy s3 running slim rom and been looking for a superslim rom since gettin a one mini (as we are restricted with storage space).i hope tr1gg3r84 uploads the rom this weekend.
Re: S-off... i have no issues with s-off at the moment(no boot loops etc).will find out if i run in to difficulty when i flash the new MagioRom .
cheers
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@nelvinchi brilliant ! i've came from an galaxy s3 running slim rom and been looking for a superslim rom since gettin a one mini (as we are restricted with storage space).i hope tr1gg3r84 uploads the rom this weekend.
Re: S-off... i have no issues with s-off at the moment(no boot loops etc).will find out if i run in to difficulty when i flash the new MagioRom .
cheers
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You are s-off - you'll be fine with this as it doesn't require a fastboot flash of the boot.img, so no bootloader unlocking/relocking necessary....
Can I ask (just out of curiosity):
If you are LOCKED/UNLOCKED
hboot version
SuperCID
Current ROM and recovery
Thanks!
cool.
S-off unlocked (used ramrunner not revone)
hboot- 2.19.00
supercid- no
rom- stock sense 5.5 4.3 deodex by tr1gg3r84
recovery- twrp not cwm
i did run into a few issues throughout the whole process to be honest though...After running superwipe it deleted everything,even the rom i was going to flash on sd.
i had to push rom to phone but it failed to flash. i then had to push rom and supersu to /data/local, then rom flashed from there but
couldnt find the md5 but it has worked without any issue since (you had helped me out by this point,thanks again)
cheers
I've just discovered that if you have hboot version 2.21 you will NOT need to re-lock your bootloader to prevent boot loops after going S-Off. However, in order to update your hboot to 2.21, you have to go S-off first, LOL. Just know that you won't be able to boot to anything other than recovery or fastboot until you update your hboot to 2.21. Hope this helps someone some day
Hum...
If i'm :
HBOOT 2.19
S-OFF
SUPERCID
Bootloader unlocked with htcdev
Root
On the stock 4.2.2 rom after purchase
I can't flash the stock rom of tr1gg3r84 or i may brick or have boot loops ?
@PuffDaddy_d Hey im currently S-off, unlocked bootloader ,hboot- 2.19.00 . never had any issues with bootloops no matter what rom I've tried. never had to flash the boot.img via fastboot either!
i take it that you mean we have to update our hboot for tr1gg3r84s new stock 4.4.2 rom or we will face bootloops ??
cheers
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@PuffDaddy_d Hey im currently S-off, unlocked bootloader ,hboot- 2.19.00 . never had any issues with bootloops no matter what rom I've tried. never had to flash the boot.img via fastboot either!
i take it that you mean we have to update our hboot for tr1gg3r84s new stock 4.4.2 rom or we will face bootloops ??
cheers
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You might be right - I didn't go S-Off until I tried the new 4.4.2 Rom, so it very well could've worked with previous versions.
For the "boot loop city" you refer to while being s-off and unlocked. remove the file /system/bin/hcheck. It will fix that problem. No need to relock and unlock all the time
And why can you NOT go back S-ON?
And the write protection is in kernel and has nothing to do with S-OFF. Well, actually, kernel checks status of S-OFF/S-ON. If its on then don't allow system edits. If it is OFF then allow system edits. You can be s-on with a modified kernel and make changes to system