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Samsung Announces Exynos 5250 SoC, 2GHz A15 Dual-Core

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Samsung has just unveiled a new System-on-chip (SoC) for future mobile devices. It’s the Exynos 5250 that boasts two Cortex-A15 chips clocked at 2GHz. The dual-core Exynos 5250 is created using a 32nm-low power HKMG process and is said to double the performance when compared to a 1.5GHz dual-core SoC based on Cortex-A9.
In addition to improved processing performance, Exynos 5250 features graphics performance improved by four times compared to Cortex-A9-based Application Processors, supports stereoscopic 3D displays and a display resolution of up to WQXGA (2560×1600).
Samsung says the new Exynos chip will be used in high-end tablets and will be mass produced sometime in the second quarter of next year.
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http://sammyhub.com/2011/11/30/samsung-unveils-cortex-a15-2ghz-exynos-5250-soc/
I have a feeling this will run circles around Tegra 3.

Killer Bee said:
http://sammyhub.com/2011/11/30/samsung-unveils-cortex-a15-2ghz-exynos-5250-soc/
I have a feeling this will run circles around Tegra 3.
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Damn, I just posted it in the Galaxy S3 rumor page.
Yea, you are right. It will run circles and a few squares and rectangles around any A9 SoC.

4x the Mali-400MP eh, I guess that means a new GPU. I wonder which one since the Mali-T604 won't be out until 2013.

Could be S3 material, the timing (Q2) matches.
Perhaps the GPU is the SGX543's successor ?

a strong mobile and i will have a buy ..

Initially this SoC will be available to Galaxy series Tablets and not for Smartphones.....

Killer Bee said:
4x the Mali-400MP eh, I guess that means a new GPU. I wonder which one since the Mali-T604 won't be out until 2013.
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T604 & T658 will arrive next year in devices according to this blog...
http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/626-launching-mali-t658-“hi-five-eight-welcome-to-the-party”/

Nigma2k said:
T604 & T658 will arrive next year in devices according to this blog...
http://blogs.arm.com/multimedia/626-launching-mali-t658-“hi-five-eight-welcome-to-the-party”/
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I'd like the T604 to be in the Exynos 5250 but that gpu was said to be 10x more powerful than the Mali-400, something Samsung would probably state if that was were the case.
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nice, maybe i will buy it

I'm thinking a Mali T604 in the 4412 and SGX 543 MP4 in the 5520. They recently announced that they have a license for 5 series MP

Killer Bee said:
I'd like the T604 to be in the Exynos 5250 but that gpu was said to be 10x more powerful than the Mali-400, something Samsung would probably state if that was were the case.
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T658 will be 10x Mali 400, so t604 is more inline with what Samsung are saying.

iPad 3 with A5 S? It's been mention it'll have a higher resolution and it's been mentioned that its coming soon.

Put one in a galaxy tab and give me some xda devs making firmware for it and i'll get it.

The Dogan said:
iPad 3 with A5 S? It's been mention it'll have a higher resolution and it's been mentioned that its coming soon.
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Who made the processor ? Samsung ? I don't think so
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thats gonna be a crazy phone

EmoBoiix3 said:
Who made the processor ? Samsung ? I don't think so
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I thought it was based on theirs? Just with some tweaks for iOS and all that.
EDIT: Just checked wikipedia and it says the A5 is manufactured by Samsung. If it's manufactured by sammy then I'd say there's a pretty good chance it's based on their tech.

No its actually apple that designed it and sent the blueprints to SAMSUNG to make.
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Looks really nice, thanks!

Kailkti said:
No its actually apple that designed it and sent the blueprints to SAMSUNG to make.
$1 gets you a reply
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Aren't they at war ?
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I wonder how much it will overclock

Samsung Galaxy S4 Exynos 5 Octa Benchmarks

The long awaited Samsung Galaxy S4 was launched in India yesterday, it is the Exynos 5 Octa version of the handset that has been launched in India. Developed by Samsung and using the ARM big.LITTLE architecture, the handset is expected to deliver exceptional battery life.
While the chip does have eight processing cores, the heavy lifting is to be done by four of the Cortex A15 type chips clocked at 1.6Ghz. Meanwhile the remaining four Cortex A7 chips running at 1.2Ghz will assist during less intensive tasks.
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AnTuTu Benchmark 2.9
AnTuTu Benchmark 3.3
Vellamo 1.0
Linpack Single Thread
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NenaMark 2
GLBenchmark 2.5 Egypt HD (1080p) (On screen)

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Some strange results. Why is it so low on multithreaded Linpack? And what's up with the HTC One in Vellamo?

Confusing to say the least. We'll see more soon I guess
Swyped from another galaxy

From what I'm seeing the snapdragon will have better developer support, the CPU scores about the same as the Exynos, the Adreno 320 is a newer GPU, so while it doesn't have the speed of the 544, it probably has support for newer tech and it's proven unlike the Exynos.
I just think there is no real reason to get the Exynos and every review says no LTE support so......

GT-I9500 scores 701 mflops (multi thread) in linpack , in another benchmark maybe it is throttling here
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Well vellamo is a qualcomm benchmark, so I suppose it makes sense that the s600 would favor that...link pack multi thread results are very strange though...
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My benchmark:
- Browsermark: 2578
- Sunsiper: 658

hung2900 said:
My benchmark:
- Sunsiper: 658
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Can you post screen shot of that ?
you have GT-I9500 right?
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i9100g user said:
Can you post screen shot of that ?
you have GT-I9500 right?
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Yes, Octa version
Stock: 632 ms this time
Chrome 757 ms

hung2900 said:
Yes, Octa version
Stock: 632 ms this time
Chrome 757 ms
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Now that is fast
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i9100g user said:
Now that is fast
Thanks
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Quadrant: 13005
Antutu: 28267
Not much different from above scores.
Anyway it's very very fast, blazing fast, much much more than my Note 2.
Like shooting in low-light mode, it tooks 2-3 times quicker.
However, we all know about the contribution of 4.2.2 here. My tf101 is on 4.2.2 too, and it's also blazing fast.

hung2900 said:
Quadrant: 13005
Antutu: 28267
Not much different from above scores.
Anyway it's very very fast, blazing fast, much much more than my Note 2.
Like shooting in low-light mode, it tooks 2-3 times quicker.
However, we all know about the contribution of 4.2.2 here. My tf101 is on 4.2.2 too, and it's also blazing fast.
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Good , a lot of reviewer said there is some weird lag here and there , did u faced any lag ?

yahyoh said:
Good , a lot of reviewer said there is some weird lag here and there , did u faced any lag ?
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Sadly yes.
SBrowser widget and contact are no longer laggy, but it's laggy with browser (stock).
When zoom in and then scroll, it reloaded pages a lot and caused lag
I think it's software problem. Zooming is pretty smooth, equals to iPhone and better than Note 2
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Linpack score
- Single thread: 327.5/322.4/344.99/342.177/338.038/339.406/343.579/335.333
- Multi thread: 648.718/518.974/537.155/615.572/562.222/579.611/696.97/604.54
BenchmarkPi: 148ms/140ms/152ms/139ms/141ms/143 ms
Geekbench 3619/3625/3632

If the Exynos 5 Octa is only marginally better than the Snapdragon 600, the Snapdragon 800 should be the king of the jungle in a couple of months. Not that it really matters. But Quick Charge 2.0 and 4K resolution playback is always nice.

megagodx said:
If the Exynos 5 Octa is only marginally better than the Snapdragon 600, the Snapdragon 800 should be the king of the jungle in a couple of months. Not that it really matters. But Quick Charge 2.0 and 4K resolution playback is always nice.
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4k playback on TV? That needs a compatible TV first
《posted from s3》

megagodx said:
If the Exynos 5 Octa is only marginally better than the Snapdragon 600, the Snapdragon 800 should be the king of the jungle in a couple of months. Not that it really matters. But Quick Charge 2.0 and 4K resolution playback is always nice.
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I believe that Krait 400 is marginally better than Krait 300 in IPC, but with a wider pipe length so it's maximum clockrate is higher.
Remember, @1.6 GHz Exynos 5410 is better than @1.9 GHz S600

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4k playback on TV? That needs a compatible TV first
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4K playback isn't important, but a HEVC capable hardware decoder is something of a huge feature on the S800 that will help it be very future proof in media consumption.

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4K playback isn't important, but a HEVC capable hardware decoder is something of a huge feature on the S800 that will help it be very future proof in media consumption.
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Oh, lemme search what is hevc capable:thumbup:
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4K playback isn't important, but a HEVC capable hardware decoder is something of a huge feature on the S800 that will help it be very future proof in media consumption.
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Pardon my ignorance, but isn't HEVC the new H.265 standard?
GS4 is supposed to have this feature if I read the specs correctly.
From their official specs:
Codec: MPEG4, H.264, H.263, DivX, DivX3.11, VC-1, VP8, WMV7/8, Sorenson Spark, HEVC Recording & Playback: Full HD (1080p)
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Post you benchmarks!!! SD800 vs Exynos Octa

Guys be appropriate and post your benchmarks!!
I'll do mine when I get it!!!
Thanks

as I read on Android Authority, Samsung confirmed that new Exynos 5 Octa will be able to use all eight cores simultaneously after installation of a software patch...
let's wait what this will lead to :laugh:

theguardian99 said:
as I read on Android Authority, Samsung confirmed that new Exynos 5 Octa will be able to use all eight cores simultaneously after installation of a software patch...
let's wait what this will lead to :laugh:
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I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.

You will still get more results than the SD800, but it comes with a killup of features.. as recording is not possible on exynos at 4K

CLARiiON said:
I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.
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Even if the clocks are higher on the snapdragon processeor ,the octa have an a15 architecture which is faster than the snapdragon's krait 400.

My main concern is Exynos Octa core overheating & lags/freezes in it . Please do put a remark on the same, while posting Benchmarks for Octa Core .

NoteboyTech said:
You will still get more results than the SD800, but it comes with a killup of features.. as recording is not possible on exynos at 4K
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i dont think 4k really matters to people. i'm pretty sure not many people own a 4k tv/monitor. and if they do they probably would want a real camera to record it with. with OIS.

The sweet thing about the Exynos 5420 is that it uses a Mali T628 MP6 instead of the PowerVR SGX544MP3 like the 5410 used. Also sound quality should be better on the Exynos variant because it should be using a wolfston DAC. Since the Exynos one does not have LTE I will be stuck with the Snapdragon variant.
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Exynos score on antutu

Passmark benchmark anyone?
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CLARiiON said:
I don't think you will see much difference in benchmarks. Maybe bit better as the clocks are higher compared to 5410 1st-gen octa. But the biggest advantage should be batterylife. Now any task can run on any core and GTS can make use of any combination of cores to perform the task. This is lot better compared to cluster-migration technique. I am more interested in batterylife results.
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Bad Exynos 5410 is caused by CCI. It will cause lag and bad battery life. It fixed in Exynos 5420. Good battery life and good performance.
I'm hand-on S800 and Exynos 5420 version and can't find out who better.
S800 is better in graphics? Nope. The same. In benchmark, 3DMark for example, high VGA memory is used to store texture. In S800, 512MB is configurated to VGA. And in Exynos 5420, it just 320MB. (Some ram is used in LTE/HSPA baseband, touchscreen,...). Result is S800 is better in offscreen benchmark due to a lot texture is stored in ram. But in on-screen or free ram, Exynos 5420 are much better. After 3 hours of use, ram used is bumped up to 2,2-2,3GB in Exynos 5420 but i can't see any lag because free ram is 400MB but in S800 (my friend), he feel some lag, free ram only 100-200MB. Clean up ram and it will be ok.
Battery in 2 version is the same. Difference not too much to notice.
But, note 3 is just a note. We use it because we can store and note everything, not simple to benchmark it.

hiepgia said:
In benchmark, 3DMark for example, high VGA memory is used to store texture. In S800, 512MB is configurated to VGA. And in Exynos 5420, it just 320MB.
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Just to clear things up since you guys keep mentioning this: Video memory is not part of the reserved memory.
The increased memory buffers on the Snapdragon likely are going to the camera and other such things as 4K recording.

AndreiLux said:
Just to clear things up since you guys keep mentioning this: Video memory is not part of the reserved memory.
The increased memory buffers on the Snapdragon likely are going to the camera and other such things as 4K recording.
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Hii Andrei am waiting for your wonderful kernel hope u build one perseus like u built for note 2 and s4

bhasg1007 said:
Hii Andrei am waiting for your wonderful kernel hope u build one perseus like u built for note 2 and s4
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I don't have a Note 3 and I won't get one myself.

AndreiLux said:
I don't have a Note 3 and I won't get one myself.
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Sorry to bother, but is that a confirmation that you won't be able to support Note 3 like you did Note 2? I do understand the hardware is different this time round...
Thanks!
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SD800
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Verizon LG G2 S800 Antutu score. I don't have my Note3 yet and I wanted to join in.
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Has anyone determined whether or not the S800 is a 8974 or 8974AB?

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Has anyone determined whether or not the S800 is a 8974 or 8974AB?
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This
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Octa in the N3 Supports HMP (use of all 8 cores)

There was a bit of a scandal with the Octa SGS4 because it was discovered that Exynos 5410 only supported one of the two big.LITTLE operating modes. There are two: migration mode (1-4 A7 cores or 1-4 A15 cores running at the same time) and heterogeneous multi processing mode (HMP) where 1-8 cores can be running at the same time. The new Exynos 5420 chip in the N3 now supports HMP which should really improve high-end performance. We'll have to see what it does to battery life.
This is a good explanation of what was wrong in 5410 (SGS4) and what's new in 5420 (N3)...
http://www.androidauthority.com/sam...ta-can-use-eight-cores-simultaneously-267316/

I have a feeling it will end up being a success. It might even being what's put into the S5. I'm sure it might be an upgraded version of it but it will mainly be the same chip.
Right now the most powerful chip is the S800. I'm not sure about the new Octa-Core as far as being more powerful but it could definitely be more efficient. That's soon going to be what people want as you only need so much power for a phone. I'm sure Samsung will implement there own envelope tracker down the road but from what I've read. There new Octa-Core going in the Note 3 doesn't have one. The S800 version of the Note 3 is the only phone to date to have one. If it works as well as they say. It will be great.
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So its running 4 A7s+ 4 A15s at one go? 4 express and 4 normal lanes?
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Are you sure intl Note 3 is going to get 5420? Samsung says end of Q4 and Note 3 is coming this 25th.
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Are you sure intl Note 3 is going to get 5420? Samsung says end of Q4 and Note 3 is coming this 25th.
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That's like 5 days from Q4!
The main issue with 5410 is certain hardware constraint. For 5420, it's just a matter of software upgrade. Exynos Dev AndreiLux has mentioned it a few times.
It will never have HMP.
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The only thing needed from Samsung is a working MCPM backend which we already have on the 5420. Getting HMP working is a matter of upstreaming the kernel core to 3.11 and that's it. I'm talking about the 5420 here as that's just a matter of software, not 5410 where it's physically not possible.
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[Discussion] GalaxyNoteIII -Exynos vs. Qualcomm

Hi
Discuss and Compare Note III Exynos vs. Qualcomm
General Performance
- Performance of Gaming
- Performance of (using another apps)
Battery Life
& etc.
Note III N9000 will brings real Octa-Core /Exynos 5 Octa 5420 (N9000)
It means u have 4+4 cores to work with true 3GB of RAM; it seems best thing for multi-taskers...
and it might get best cpu performance (highest benchmark) even with bad hardware calibration!
Adreno 330 N9005 (Snapdragon) & Mali-T628 MP6 N9000 (Exynos) are almost similar
both have OpenCL, OpenGL ES 3.0, Renderscript Compute and etc.
infact thr s no technical reasons to get which one is better
so in my opinion in depend on ROM how to use GPU
S-Lag
the famous lag in launcher of galaxy device (touch wiz) > not found anything about it yet
But it s depend on time when do heavy using. so nothing to compare
Battery and charge
both Snapdragon 800 & Exynos 5420 (little.BIG) have energy efficient feature but there s better energy usage in N9005 (Snapdragon800) related to this video, Watch and some another report.
(will update with more choice and result)
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Qualcomm version wins hands down...maybe not in benchmarks but it will get cm for shure

These threads are pretty useless,we don't even have any information about real life performance of Exynos Note 3 and since it is certainly first soc of its own type ,we will have to see.
No offence to OP or any one
Edit:There are 2-3 threads discussing the same thing.
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i9100g user said:
These threads are pretty useless,we don't even have any information about real life performance of Exynos Note 3 and since it is certainly first soc of its own type ,we will have to see.
No offence to OP or any one
Edit:There are 2-3 threads discussing the same thing.
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this thread will update with more info
this means it s not just for 1-2 days
it will work months after releasing the phone
and we have info about phone from preview version of note3 (~80% of performance and etc)
we have lots of benchmark and performance report
display quality, sound quality
So if u didn't check them search it NOW and then discuss here
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which version do you think it will have the most dev support?

Even though i live in India where we are going to get the exynos version, I'd prefer the snapdragon version. Im new here, but doesnt 1.3 and 1.9GHz seem less for a high end premium smartphone? Also Snapdragon will get cm for sure,

valentinosael said:
which version do you think it will have the most dev support?
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maybe Quad-Cores version (Snapdragon) like S IV
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XDA HellHound said:
Even though i live in India where we are going to get the exynos version, I'd prefer the snapdragon version. Im new here, but doesnt 1.3 and 1.9GHz seem less for a high end premium smartphone? Also Snapdragon will get cm for sure,
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as u can check benchmarks of Octa version of Galaxy S4 u can realize that Octa-core of course has better performance than quad
the final quad-core antutu of note3 will be ~34,000 and octa will be 35,000 (at least)
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Some of the things I value are stability and low heat. I'm experiencing possible stability issues with Nexus 7 (2013) based on Snapdragon S4 Pro/600 where on level 10 in Modern Combat 3 it's not only heating up the device making it very warm but the game is also exiting consistently when this happens. I don't have that issue with the Exynos based Note II so I'm leaning towards preferring the Exynos 5420 in the Note III. Btw, Exynos is fabbed by Samsung while Snapdragon is fabbed by TSMC. IMHO, Samsung fab is better.

Sammy will include HMP in their octacore processors through a software upgrade .so all samsung octacore devices will become true octacore devices
So guess which will have high performance? Real octacore exynos 5420 or sd800??
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openmatrix said:
Sammy will include HMP in their octacore processors through a software upgrade .so all samsung octacore devices will become true octacore devices
So guess which will have high performance? Real octacore exynos 5420 or sd800??
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i don't think samsung gonna unleash that real octa core or HMP thingy for gn3..they will save it for gs5..

cellfrens said:
i don't think samsung gonna unleash that real octa core or HMP thingy for gn3..they will save it for gs5..
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Nope.. check out sammobile,their samsung insider claimed that sammy will bring HMP for every exynos 5xxx processors (from s4 onwards ) ,so be happy
Also for s5 they are gonna bring 64 bit processing architecture, same like iphone 5s , so they don't wanna save it for s5
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Which one will come with the Octocore version? the Exynos model or the Qualcomm model?

AllGamer said:
Which one will come with the Octocore version? the Exynos model or the Qualcomm model?
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Exynos
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openmatrix said:
Sammy will include HMP in their octacore processors through a software upgrade .so all samsung octacore devices will become true octacore devices
So guess which will have high performance? Real octacore exynos 5420 or sd800??
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While a cool feature, I'm not sure how many CPU bottlenecks are going to be multithreaded to the point that adding the four slower cores will provide a substantial benefit. I also have concerns that with all eight cores running, heat throttling would kick in pretty quickly. My guess would be that, both in benchmarks and in real-world situations, the 800 is usually going to come out on top.

In HMP this is what really gonna happen:
Small processes like texting,calling , etc... low powered A7 cpu's will be switched
Big processes like gaming , Benchmarking , 1080p video capturing etc... both A7 and A15 cores will be combined together and throttle the device upto the max perfomance
So the device will be power efficient and we can clearly see the dominated benchmark scores and RLP over sd 800 (this would be pretty like the perfomance b/w a dual cored device and a quad cored device)
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Ah... that means the Tmo version is most likely going to be the Quadcore version as it uses the Qualcomm version on every iteration of the Galaxy devices.
I was hoping for a little Octocore fun but, it'll be pointless if I can't use the cell radio

AllGamer said:
Ah... that means the Tmo version is most likely going to be the Quadcore version as it uses the Qualcomm version on every iteration of the Galaxy devices.
I was hoping for a little Octocore fun but, it'll be pointless if I can't use the cell radio
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Sd version will be released in countries having lte (like u.s) and octa core in international version (3g version)
Btw what's TMO??
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Sd version will be released in countries having lte (like u.s) and octa core in international version (3g version)
Btw what's TMO??
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T-mobile USA, a carrier known for using AWS radio bands

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T-mobile USA, a carrier known for using AWS radio bands
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OK thanks
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