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Can Sprint tell the difference between my data usage with vision (untetherd) and my data usage tetherd? read the following to get the full picture.
I had a PAM plan added to my phone but was dissatisfied with the service, well I didn't think it was worth the $$ for what I needed it for so I had it turned off. Then I found in this forum somewhere a way to circumvent the pam plan with a registry tweak which I did and it connects through ICS just fine now.
Sprint had placed a 5g limit on throughput with the pam plan when I had it. When I still had the plan I called them up to see what my current usage was at the time. they told me about 2 gigs. I then asked them what portion of that was pam and what portion of that was vision through the phone itself (not tethered)-she told me she didn't have that information but that somehow the system would know and sort it. So I asked her, "If I use 2 gig up non tethered and 4 gig up tetherd, will I have exceeded my 5g limit? She said no because the 5g limit only applies to when I'm tetherd through my pam plan and the vision is seperate. Which leads me to believe that they will be able to tell that I am still tethed and will send me a huge bill (It's $30 a meg I believe)
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When Tmo is figuring out if you have used your 2gb's of "full speed" data, are they actually deciphering if you were using 4g or 2g? I would assume they can't and they are just counting all data (besides wifi) until you hit 2gb's and then throttling you.
Anyone have any info on this?
If you're hitting 2GB on 2G alone that'd be pretty amazing!
If you're talking about using 2G when you don't need full speed to save your quota, it'd still count I think, but at least it wouldn't get used up as fast!
I believe that's correct, meaning if you use 1GB of your plan on a 2g connection, it would still count towards that "full speed" quota.
Of course it counts towards your data limit.
Throttled speeds are lower than 2g speeds; therefore, 2g can be called high speed.
"High Speed" is a relative term.
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Thanks guys.
Yeah it goes towards the total.
If you really want to get yourself pissed off try this: setup a proxy server on a machine, then do all your internet traffic on your phone via your proxy. You'll find that t-mobile is off (in their favor of course) by about 18%. I'm working on a paper now that I hope to put online soon that shows all the logs and how t-mobile is RIPPING US OFF on what they SAY we use and what we REALLY use.
How are you taking into account all the data the core and downloaded applications the os pulls.?
ramirez3805 said:
How are you taking into account all the data the core and downloaded applications the os pulls.?
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cause I have everything passing though a proxy.
Hope you know your tests are going to be inaccurate. Not going to go into detail but you are forgetting something. T-Mobile isn't ripping you off and they have no control over this.
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I have a unlocked g2x on cincinnati bell and they throttle at 5gb, which is better but still sucks. I was looking on my account online and my data usage was going up even on days I was at home all day, connected to wifi. I called customer service and found out that even if you are connected to wifi, if you have mobile data turned on in settings it still counts on your mobile usage data. Only way to use wifi and not have it count on your mobile usage is to turn mobile data off when using wifi. A bunch of bs if you ask me! You may want to check with tmobile and make sure this is not the case with them as well.
Also, there is a fix I found that is suppose to work with tmobile to disable the throttling. It has to do with altering the services.jar file on your phone. I tried it on my phone and it didnt work, i figured because cincinnati bell is using a different method to throttle people that tmobile uses. U may wanna look into this so after u get throttled u arent stuck with a unusable phone for the rest of the month. When i was throttled i could barely send email it was so slow! google 'disable data throttling on g2x' to find how to do it.
Well I finally got called out on my data usage in tethering and was threatened to get put on the $45 a month plan on top of what I have already. As soon as I get into the top 5% of the top data users I get throttled back... There was an app that I had a long time back that used to give me options to turn on Wi-Fi when I plug the phone in or turn it on and off at certain times as well as mobile data.. any ideas of what the app is called or a similar app? (not power manager by x-phone software either because all it does is crash)
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Tasker will do that for you. I use it, for example, to turn on my WiFi when I get home and turn off the cell data. When I leave, it automatically turns off the WiFi and turns on the 3G/H+ data and GPS. Be warned though that if you have Tasker monitoring a lot of things, it can cause a battery drain.
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any ideas of what the app is called or a similar app? (not power manager by x-phone software either because all it does is crash)
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I used to use Tasker, but like djeaton said, it can be a battery drain. Instead, I use an app called "AT&T Smart Wi-Fi". You can find it on the Android Market. Pretty simple to set up and easy to use. Give that a shot before you try Tasker.
Thanks guys I'll give em both a try
If you don't mind me asking, how much data did you use in order to be top 5% by At&t?
I ask this because I also tether and would like a heads up hehe...
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over 11.5 gigs lmao.. They caught me tethering on a completely separate thing though... Just be careful with the tethering, they'll send you a lovely text message and warn you before they do anything though
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over 11.5 gigs lmao.. They caught me tethering on a completely separate thing though... Just be careful with the tethering, they'll send you a lovely text message and warn you before they do anything though
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I got a text saying the same thing today and plan on calling at&t after the holiday to give them a piece of my mind because how can they say I'm in the top 5% when i only use around 2.1GB a month. They just really want everyone to be on the limited data plans.
blitzer320 said:
I got a text saying the same thing today and plan on calling at&t after the holiday to give them a piece of my mind because how can they say I'm in the top 5% when i only use around 2.1GB a month. They just really want everyone to be on the limited data plans.
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hmmm that's good to know because I haven't really noticed any throttling yet either.. Maybe it's just a scare tactic.. I don't want to push my luck and attempt to tether again... If they threaten me again with that and I know they're bullshitting, then it's really gonna hit the fan and they will get a piece of my mind
I've been tethering for years and have never heard anything. I've also been using tons of data streaming several hours of audio daily from spotify in addition to my normal web usage. I wouldn't be terribly upset if they canceled my account....
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blitzer320 said:
I got a text saying the same thing today and plan on calling at&t after the holiday to give them a piece of my mind because how can they say I'm in the top 5% when i only use around 2.1GB a month. They just really want everyone to be on the limited data plans.
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It's the tethering that they don't want you to do. It's even in the contract you sign so calling them out is just going to allow them an avenue to show you what you signed. Just don't tether and they will leave you alone. I use over 5-10gb sometimes a month and have never tethered and I don't get throttled or get any nasty letters.
Gizmoe said:
It's the tethering that they don't want you to do. It's even in the contract you sign so calling them out is just going to allow them an avenue to show you what you signed. Just don't tether and they will leave you alone. I use over 5-10gb sometimes a month and have never tethered and I don't get throttled or get any nasty letters.
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Actually I have never tethered and I got this message saying I was in the top 5% data users
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blitzer320 said:
Actually I have never tethered and I got this message saying I was in the top 5% data users
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That's strange. I thought you were tethering. Maybe you live in a high congestion area. I live in a small town so maybe they don't care how much I use, because I use a lot.
Gizmoe said:
That's strange. I thought you were tethering. Maybe you live in a high congestion area. I live in a small town so maybe they don't care how much I use, because I use a lot.
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Yeah I guess that's could be it since i live in manhattan but I also think its about the phone you have. Me and my sister are on a family plan both with unlimited data but she has an iPhone so they don't mess with her at all.
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Its people like you who abuse data bandwidth as to why carriers crack down on it. Being respectful of others on the network, you should only use tethering when you absolutely have a need to get on the internet to check email, send a message, get info off the web, etc. And your phone should not be the only device you have for an internet connection. And if it is, you shouldn't be downloading or streaming that much data from a phone anyways. So i would like to personally thank you for ruining it for everyone else by being apart of the real problem.
According to TechCrunch, "heavy users only make up a small percentage of those consuming bandwidth – 14.3%, to be precise." That means 85% of the problem belongs to the rest of us.
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According to TechCrunch, "heavy users only make up a small percentage of those consuming bandwidth – 14.3%, to be precise." That means 85% of the problem belongs to the rest of us.
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If it was only that much then ATT wouldn't care. Alot of the issue started with the IPhone and people streaming stuff all day long. Now comes android and every kid gets one and guess what they do? Same as the iPhone users. They take unlimited as just that and because they didn't read the TOS they don't understand reasonable usage. You would be amazed after working for ATT and helping people with their accounts how many really due use a dumb amount of data all the time. I saw this coming a few weeks after the iPhone hit. To be honest I am surprised it took so damn long lol
I'd hate to see what those unlimited data abusers could do to an all-you-can-eat buffet
I recall reading somewhere recently that AT&T has started throttling speeds to customers that are in the top 5% of data usage. Problem is, what criteria are they using to determine "top 5%"? Metro area? Nationwide? Neighborhood?
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Found it!
http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=20535&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=32318
The point of the article was that the folks abusing the bandwidth are not the biggest cause of speed degradation. ATT cares because the few that make up the 14% are using more than they are paying for when they tether their phones without the tethering plan. If you pay for using their service on your phone and then want to use it on your laptop, they want you to buy their little USB thingy and another data plan to do it. Should they require more money based on where you view the data? Probably not. But we shouldn't conflate ATTs desire to squeeze folks with it being the primary cause of slow speeds. If they all cut their data usage back to a more reasonable amount, it would only increase the rest of our speeds by a couple of percentage points.
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Its people like you who abuse data bandwidth as to why carriers crack down on it. Being respectful of others on the network, you should only use tethering when you absolutely have a need to get on the internet to check email, send a message, get info off the web, etc. And your phone should not be the only device you have for an internet connection. And if it is, you shouldn't be downloading or streaming that much data from a phone anyways. So i would like to personally thank you for ruining it for everyone else by being apart of the real problem.
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I've only used tethering one time and that was because their garbage DSL which I'm cancelling soon wasn't working. Other than that, I normally don't use any higher than 6gb except for that one time which was still lower than a bunch of people I personally know. They have yet to receive a letter.
I don't tether and I just got this text from at&t saying I'm in the top 5 percent
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Could Verizon choose to throttle only your upload speeds and leave your download speeds alone?
Reason I ask is I'm consistently getting the same horrible speeds on uploading while depending on what part of town I'm in my download speeds double.
Brian Gove said:
Could Verizon choose to throttle only your upload speeds and leave your download speeds alone?
Reason I ask is I'm consistently getting the same horrible speeds on uploading while depending on what part of town I'm in my download speeds double.
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I have read that two years ago that if people use to much data they could throttle the down/upload speeds yet I still use about 7GB of data a month and nothing ever happen to my speeds. Maybe you have software related issues, but doubt it since you said that the other part of town it's better. So probably just a bad connection or network. Maybe Verizon is upgrading..you never know. Compare with some of your friends network speeds. (same network obviously)
EDIT: I google-d outage of verizon and well this probably happened multiple places. http://www.milfordlive.com/2012/09/04/verizon-outages-caused-by-roof-leak/
I know they can throttle, but can they just do one or the other? Up or down? I'm over 90gb for this month and about half of that is uploading so I'm wondering since 40gb of uploading is an extraordinary amount to upload if they throttled just that.
And I'm nowhere near Delaware I'm in New Hampshire.
Yeah... I'd say 40GB is an extraordinary amount to upload.
Of course they can choose to throttle one or the other. They have complete control. I don't see why they would though, I'd assume they'd just lock someone down entirely if they wanted to.
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Yeah... I'd say 40GB is an extraordinary amount to upload.
Of course they can choose to throttle one or the other. They have complete control. I don't see why they would though, I'd assume they'd just lock someone down entirely if they wanted to.
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I guess that's more what I meant, would they just do one or both. Thank you
HOLY....90Gb?? what in the world are you downloading/uploading? lol WOOWWW
I'm sure they could throttle just upload, but in that case it would be everywhere for you not just at home.
Wish i still had my unlimited data now i only got 2gb
I was told be Verizon their network didn't throttle anymore because their network could handle the traffic.
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JB_orchidguy said:
I was told be Verizon their network didn't throttle anymore because their network could handle the traffic.
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I was told the locked bootloader was to protect the network.
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I was told the locked bootloader was to protect the network.
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LOL :highfive:
What's more likely is they are limiting upstream traffic overall. This is common, and why you'll see plans which offer 10mbs down and 1.5Mbs up or something. For the vast majority of people on their phones or home PC's they do far more downloading than uploading, and these operations use the same pipes, so they will limit traffic going out of their data centers so they have more capacity for incoming data.
Same with wireless. Whether you're pulling data down or sending it, you're using the same bandwidth. Most of the time you're sending short requests, or maybe uploading a few pictures, not running a server on your phone. VZW is going to want more capacity for users to download than to upload.
At around 50/50 with those types of amounts of data you're definitely an outlier.
So Ive done some searching and since Verizons new unlimited plan is only about 5 days old Im stuck sifting through 100s of grandfathered unlimited plan posts searching for hotspot hacks. That being said heres my scenario.
My house is rural, I wouldnt consider it rural but apparently Im rural enough for the utility companies to find it rural. Never thought 2 miles off a major highway would constitute that but anyways. This means Im in a situation a lot of people are in. I like my privacy, IE owning property and not being on top of my neighbors, but I also grew up tech savvy and playing games. Im heavily dependent on the internet and like my MMORPGs... Im never expecting to replace my satellite TV with streaming for the record.
Im trying to find my best internet option. Ive been through the gambit here... Hughes net, Excede, and now on to a local fixed wireless provider. Im semi satisfied with my fixed internet provider and its been the best of the 3 but Im still stuck at 4g speeds although no data cap. My biggest issue is varying speed with them and Ive taken this concern up with them a couple times but Ive never been provided with a real solution. I was fed a BS answer of "maybe try having less things wifi'd". Im signed up for 5-7mbps with no data cap at the moment for $75 a month. If I received a steady signal I would be very happy with that. Sure its not great for heavy internet browsing but playing an MMO it would be great. But then it happens, I get .5mbs down randomly and a 400ms ping...
Ok so sorry for the long back story. My biggest concerns here are hitting a consistent connection with a moderate data cap. What Im looking into doing is adding a hotspot and upgrading my verizon plan to the new unlimited with an exterior 4g lte cell amplifier. 1 mile away as the crow flys I get 50mbps down and 70 ping on the highway on my phone...
So Im curious if there's any hack or mod to beat out these stupid 10 gig 4g lte speed caps they've placed on the hotspots? Or maybe theres a better combination of hardware I could use here that would be blind to verizon?
If theres a better section or even a forum out there more oriented towards what Im trying to do?
Thanks
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So Ive done some searching and since Verizons new unlimited plan is only about 5 days old Im stuck sifting through 100s of grandfathered unlimited plan posts searching for hotspot hacks. That being said heres my scenario.
My house is rural, I wouldnt consider it rural but apparently Im rural enough for the utility companies to find it rural. Never thought 2 miles off a major highway would constitute that but anyways. This means Im in a situation a lot of people are in. I like my privacy, IE owning property and not being on top of my neighbors, but I also grew up tech savvy and playing games. Im heavily dependent on the internet and like my MMORPGs... Im never expecting to replace my satellite TV with streaming for the record.
Im trying to find my best internet option. Ive been through the gambit here... Hughes net, Excede, and now on to a local fixed wireless provider. Im semi satisfied with my fixed internet provider and its been the best of the 3 but Im still stuck at 4g speeds although no data cap. My biggest issue is varying speed with them and Ive taken this concern up with them a couple times but Ive never been provided with a real solution. I was fed a BS answer of "maybe try having less things wifi'd". Im signed up for 5-7mbps with no data cap at the moment for $75 a month. If I received a steady signal I would be very happy with that. Sure its not great for heavy internet browsing but playing an MMO it would be great. But then it happens, I get .5mbs down randomly and a 400ms ping...
Ok so sorry for the long back story. My biggest concerns here are hitting a consistent connection with a moderate data cap. What Im looking into doing is adding a hotspot and upgrading my verizon plan to the new unlimited with an exterior 4g lte cell amplifier. 1 mile away as the crow flys I get 50mbps down and 70 ping on the highway on my phone...
So Im curious if there's any hack or mod to beat out these stupid 10 gig 4g lte speed caps they've placed on the hotspots? Or maybe theres a better combination of hardware I could use here that would be blind to verizon?
If theres a better section or even a forum out there more oriented towards what Im trying to do?
Thanks
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There is no way to hack your data limit or data speed, that's all controlled on the network, not on the device.
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There is no way to hack your data limit or data speed, that's all controlled on the network, not on the device.
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I kind of figured that. Maybe I worded this poorly. What I'm curious is if there's some sort of way to mask the tethering. Like if I purchase my own 4G LTE modem and then transfer a sum card from an existing unlimited device into the modem, is verizon going to know to cap my data at a 10gb tether or are they simply going to think it's still a tablet and give me 22gb full speed? And I guess the second question would be is there something I can manipulate on my end to "fool" what type of device is connected kind of like how people used to tether the grandfathered phones by swapping the SIM cards and editing some network configuration in the phone?
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I kind of figured that. Maybe I worded this poorly. What I'm curious is if there's some sort of way to mask the tethering. Like if I purchase my own 4G LTE modem and then transfer a sum card from an existing unlimited device into the modem, is verizon going to know to cap my data at a 10gb tether or are they simply going to think it's still a tablet and give me 22gb full speed? And I guess the second question would be is there something I can manipulate on my end to "fool" what type of device is connected kind of like how people used to tether the grandfathered phones by swapping the SIM cards and editing some network configuration in the phone?
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Well, with those questions, it isn't whether or not it can or can't be done. It's a matter of XDA not allowing this kind of discussion. We can discuss "how" to tether, but we can't discuss cheating the system, your limit is your limit, and your plan is your plan on the device you get the plan on, that's it.
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There is no way to hack your data limit or data speed, that's all controlled on the network, not on the device.
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Droidriven said:
Well, with those questions, it isn't whether or not it can or can't be done. It's a matter of XDA not allowing this kind of discussion. We can discuss "how" to tether, but we can't discuss cheating the system, your limit is your limit, and your plan is your plan on the device you get the plan on, that's it.
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Although I don't understand how this is any different than bypassing the tethering ban back in the day I'll leave it at that and say ok, thanks for your help.
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Although I don't understand how this is any different than bypassing the tethering ban back in the day I'll leave it at that and say ok, thanks for your help.
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Because it's a subject of splitting hairs.
It breaks down like this.
While enabling tethering on devices/plans that aren't supposed to have the option is frowned upon by the carriers, it is not illegal, nor does it exceed any preset data limits. Yes, you can tether when you aren't "supposed" to but it doesn't allow you to exceed your data limit, meaning, they lose no money. You're only using data that you've already paid for, you're just doing something they don't like by using that data in a different way.
On the other hand, when you get into hiding data to get more than the prescribed limit or faking which device they think it is, then they are losing money because you're cheating them by using more data than was paid for or by using a device that isn't approved for the plan.
On devices with unlimited plans, there is effectively no money "lost", you're just using more data than they expect for the average user, which can lead to them seeing it and throttling your data or even cutting you off completely.
It's all subjective, in other words, do what you want with the device itself but don't screw the network.
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Because it's a subject of splitting hairs.
It breaks down like this.
While enabling tethering on devices/plans that aren't supposed to have the option is frowned upon by the carriers, it is not illegal, nor does it exceed any preset data limits. Yes, you can tether when you aren't "supposed" to but it doesn't allow you to exceed your data limit, meaning, they lose no money. You're only using data that you've already paid for, you're just doing something they don't like by using that data in a different way.
On the other hand, when you get into hiding data to get more than the prescribed limit or faking which device they think it is, then they are losing money because you're cheating them by using more data than was paid for or by using a device that isn't approved for the plan.
On devices with unlimited plans, there is effectively no money "lost", you're just using more data than they expect for the average user, which can lead to them seeing it and throttling your data or even cutting you off completely.
It's all subjective, in other words, do what you want with the device itself but don't screw the network.
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Right. I'm really not trying to screw them. I just want my 22gb as they see fit on a device on my hotspot... I don't understand why devices are subject to better rules that the hotspot. If they have the bandwidth to bump me back to 4G LTE after I hit the cap then they shouls, not lock me down to 3g, over pribicple...