[Q] Motorola XT720 unresponsive with black screen - Milestone XT720 General

Hey,
my XT720 just stopped working a couple weeks ago. When I leave it plugged in for about twenty minutes the four lights at the bottom of the phone light up but the screen stays blank. I've looked at all the other posts and tried getting into bootloader to flash it using RSD Lite but i can't get it into bootloader. I got a new battery and that didn't do anything either. Are there any other methods or am I trying to get into bootloader the wrong way- I've been doing Power button + Volume Down + Camera button. Any help would be great.

Hardware issue not much you can do unfortunately.
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The four lights on with black screen happens on xt720 when the battery is extremely low. It could be that your battery is old. Plug it in the wall with the back panel off. Let it charge while keeping an eye on the screen. Whenever it decides to start booting, pull the battery out and start again. Keep doing this for about two hours. This used to happen to me enough when I was experimenting that I just got an external battery charger.
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It did happened to me. All I did, I just reformat the SD Card. And voila, JOBS DONE.

napnau said:
It did happened to me. All I did, I just reformat the SD Card. And voila, JOBS DONE.
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What if I never had an SD card in the first place? When I ordered it, it didn't come with one so I left a lot of memory to the phone's internal drive. Would buying one help? And if so, what product would you suggest?

Mioze7Ae said:
The four lights on with black screen happens on xt720 when the battery is extremely low. It could be that your battery is old. Plug it in the wall with the back panel off. Let it charge while keeping an eye on the screen. Whenever it decides to start booting, pull the battery out and start again. Keep doing this for about two hours. This used to happen to me enough when I was experimenting that I just got an external battery charger.
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I tried that too but no luck. Plus I already ordered a new battery and those come in at least half charged so it must be something else.

Have you ever been into the bootloader on your phone? You have to get the keys really, really fast. Particularly when powering on by putting in the battery. If you haven't already try it this way:
1. Remove battery, disconnect USB
2. Press and hold both the camera (the shutter one) and volume down keys
3. Keep holding them down
4. Put in battery (keep holding the buttons down)
5. Keep holding the buttons down until you see either the fastboot screen or the (M) logo (or you give up after 5 minutes)

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[Q] Xoom went belly up it seems

I have a us spec wifi xoom. Or I've had is perhaps more of a correct statement now.
What happened was this:
Tablet was working fine in the evening. Had about 80% power left in it.
Today in the afternoon got around to it and had to do some stuff on it...and it was dead.
Wouldn't react to either the Power Button, or the Volume Up plus Power button.
Initial thoughts - ah some app caused the battery to drain. Or was it the custom ROM. No worries, will hook it up to the charger.
So i hook it up and the charging light comes on. But XOOM wont turn on while plugged in. Its been charging for an hour plus, LED's still white and XOOM's still unresponsive.
Any ideas what to do?
Did you try holding volume up and power for a few seconds? Sometimes than can take 5 to 10 seconds to work.
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Yeah, tried that. Didnt work.
2shellbonus said:
Yeah, tried that. Didnt work.
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was it overclocked?
Yes. 1,2Ghz
if I was you, I'd either have my dealer send it in or, if that is not option to you, open it up and disconnect the battery for a little while...
maybe another idea: how does your power-button feel? From the symptoms it would also be plausible that just that one button had a malfunction. You wouldn't be able to unlock your xoom, power+vol-up wouldn't reset the thing, if you configured your xoom to use the charge-led while the xoom is powered on, it'd glow once you plugged your xoom in, etc... Does your pc detect your xoom if you plug it in via usb?
No the XOOM isn't detected by the computer. Power button feels as it always felt. Clicky and responsive.
As for opening it up, I dont have a TORX screwdriver or however that thing is called, to open the XOOM up. I was thinking along those lines a swell, disconnect all power for a while and then try. Will try to get the tools tommorow and see waht happens.
Thanks for the suggestions though.
If you've got an sdcard in it remove it and try the usual power in tricks.
I've read sdcards can stop the Zoom powering on especially if it goes completely flat...
Tried that already. No go unfortunately. But thanks nonetheless.
2shellbonus said:
Yes. 1,2Ghz
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You may have fried the processor inadvertently say if an app went max out for 2-3 hours and killed the battery just a thought.
asmanthebell said:
You may have fried the processor inadvertently say if an app went max out for 2-3 hours and killed the battery just a thought.
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Battery had charge in it when I first picked up with the issue. LED was white. If battery is dead LED is red.
Frying the processor - maybe. Hope not
If you have a white light then that means the device is powered off. If you can boot it to the dual core screen then we can help.
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dellenrules said:
If you have a white light then that means the device is powered off. If you can boot it to the dual core screen then we can help.
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I get no response from the XOOM. The display does not turn on at all. No dual core, no nothing.
If dual core came up i'd adb the thing easily into life.....but..no go.
You said you held volume up, down and power and got nothing.
Sounds like a battery issue.
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Tbh just try getting a anew charger...
Charger works, since battery LED shows full charge
I had a similar problem and disconnecting the battery for a bit worked like a charm, I bought my torx set from walgreens for 5 bucks (comes with many different bits) also any hardware store will carry a small set, you will only need to unscrew 4 screws and move 2 clips up, 2 screws on the bottom and 2 screws on the battery connector. I slipped a piece of paper in between the battery connector and the xoom board waited about 30 seconds removed the paper and screwed it back together and it turned on just fine. the whole process should take about 5 minutes at most. Ifixit.com has a great teardown of the xoom trust me in the end it will be worth it.
darkknightsolano said:
I had a similar problem and disconnecting the battery for a bit worked like a charm, I bought my torx set from walgreens for 5 bucks (comes with many different bits) also any hardware store will carry a small set, you will only need to unscrew 4 screws and move 2 clips up, 2 screws on the bottom and 2 screws on the battery connector. I slipped a piece of paper in between the battery connector and the xoom board waited about 30 seconds removed the paper and screwed it back together and it turned on just fine. the whole process should take about 5 minutes at most. Ifixit.com has a great teardown of the xoom trust me in the end it will be worth it.
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Will look into it, thanks
No problem let me know if you need any more assistance.
I'm having almost the exact same problem with my WiFi Xoom. I went to restart it yesterday and it turned off and will not turn back on. When I plug it in to one of my docks, it shows fully charged (green light.) Powering on with the up volume does nothing (I held them both for 30 seconds.) I disassembled it last night and disconnected the battery for some time but it still will not power up. I plan to spend some more time on it this evening if possible.
The only other details about it is I'm rooted running Team EOS ICS 1.0.0 with the stock kernel provided with the ROM.

[Q] Completely unresponsive Xoom

I've got a 4G Xoom, that I bought new about 13 months ago. It's been great to me so far. I had it rooted and was running CM 9 on it and had been doing so for about a month without any issues.
Yesterday, it was plugged into the charger and I happen to glance at it and it was doing some strange things with the screen, flashing on/off, black lines on part of the screen. I powered it off and left it alone for an hour or so.
Since then, it's been completely unresponsive. I've tried Vol Up+Power button countless times without it working. The charge light (white) came on briefly while plugged in, but then went off, never to return. The only reaction I can get is that after holding Vol up+Power causes an orange light next to the front camera to blink twice. That's it.
Any suggestions? Is it completly dead?
danman7 said:
I've got a 4G Xoom, that I bought new about 13 months ago. It's been great to me so far. I had it rooted and was running CM 9 on it and had been doing so for about a month without any issues.
Yesterday, it was plugged into the charger and I happen to glance at it and it was doing some strange things with the screen, flashing on/off, black lines on part of the screen. I powered it off and left it alone for an hour or so.
Since then, it's been completely unresponsive. I've tried Vol Up+Power button countless times without it working. The charge light (white) came on briefly while plugged in, but then went off, never to return. The only reaction I can get is that after holding Vol up+Power causes an orange light next to the front camera to blink twice. That's it.
Any suggestions? Is it completly dead?
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Open up the back take the battery out, put it back in.
Mjamocha said:
Open up the back take the battery out, put it back in.
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Given that it's sealed, how is this done? I hadn't even considered cracking the case.
danman7 said:
Given that it's sealed, how is this done? I hadn't even considered cracking the case.
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You may not need to remove the battery as several people have reported success with just slipping some paper between the contacts for 30+ seconds. You will need to open it up though and here's a post with info and pictures to guide you through that: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1578365
On edit: here's another thread with good info for you http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1528706&page=3
Good luck.
Well, I did the paper under the battery terminals for 15 minutes and still no joy.
One item of note is that when I plug the charger in, I'm not getting a white (or green) light. At least not much of the time. Occasionally, I can wiggle the plug a bit and it will light up, but I'm not getting to green at all.
I can put a multimeter on the battery leads, does anyone know how many volts/amps I should be reading?
Are we sure that its not just a crap connection with the charging plug. It is a wimpy little pin and my Xoom needs me to do a rain dance to get it to charge. I have to plug it in, wait a few seconds and then the white light comes on , but only if the wire is flipped back over the top of the screen. Another thought is I use Tiamat ics and there is an option to have the light on or off during charge and I think it is set to off as default, maybe you didn't set that up. I would bet its something stupid and you just need to keep playing with the wire and see if you can get it on. Good luck.
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Battery died, now phone will not power back on after charging...

So the wife and I were out eating and my phone died. Came home, plugged it up and there was no red led charge indicator..... waited..... and waited.... it's been an hour now, still nothing. If I hold power the capacitive buttons just flash white and go off.
Any ideas on how to bring this thing back to life?.... I purchased from Amazon 2 weeks again and really need a phone now as I have no other phone.
Make sure you are using the original wall charger that comes with the phone.
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Press the power button for 2-3 seconds and let go, wait about 5 seconds for it to turn on.....or press and hold volume down and power until the lights blink 6 times then release ONLY the power button. Hold volume button until screen turns on, then using the volume buttons highlight fastboot, press power button to select, then highlight reboot and press power again that'll get u going again
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You will need to replace your phone. Search the forums and you will find a thread or two about this same problem. I had to return my phone because of the same exact problem. The only solution is to completely let the battery die and then recharge for 30 minutes to an hour and then the phone should turn on. But I highly recommend you get it exchanged because the next time you use it, it will suddenly turn off while there is still some battery left and you will have to let the battery die.
same problem. gotta get htc to replace dat shiet.
Leave it on the charger for several hours, wall charger not USB, and see if it helps.
Could be various things. But one thing that has happened to some people, on various Android phones, is that the battery voltage may have dropped too low. Not zero, but too low for the phone to take a charge. In that case, there is no way to bring the battery back to life, except with special battery meters with a "boost" function (which most of use don't have access to). Leaving it on the wall charger has brought phones back for a few people. Its a longshot, but can't hurt.
Safety circuit is supposed to prevent voltage from dropping too low like this. But its not fail safe.
I know that is not what the OP is doing, just a sidenote: Some people will suggest draining the phone until it shuts down to calibrate the battery meter Its a poor idea, for the reason that the safety circuit may not always work properly. When calibrating the meter, its more than sufficient to drain to 10-20%. The meter is not that accurate anyway, and draining to zero doesn't make it any more accurate than 10-20%.
i tried that all, letting it die. letting it charge, everything.
Press and hold the power button while plugging the charger in
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didnt work. but when i plug it in to windows, i still get apx
swordsx48 said:
didnt work. but when i plug it in to windows, i still get apx
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This happened to my EVO 3d and had to be replaced.
Other than trying a ruu back to stock I'm out of ideas
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It comes up as apx? Have u tried
Adb devices
and
fastboot devices
While plugged in to see if either recognize it??
if one of them do than this should be a simple fix.
If adb recognizes it then
adb reboot
If fastboot recognizes it do
fastboot erase cache
fastboot reboot
i tried adb devices and fastboot devices while plugged in and neither recognize it you gave me a sliver of hope
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didnt work. but when i plug it in to windows, i still get apx
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Apx mode is tegra thing. Wrong forum.
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sorry,i was googling and came across this thread and didnt notice.
swordsx48 said:
sorry,i was googling and came across this thread and didnt notice.
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No worries.
Mine did the same thing. Went 100% dead. After a few random reboots the days leading up, it finally went off when I noticed it had really low battery. Never to come back on.
Not even getting the red light at the top so put it in for a repair through my Telco (Telstra), (who are apparently the authorised repairer for HTC in Aus) and the mainboard was replaced. Got it back a week later fixed.
Phone had been unlocked through HTCDev but had no issues with warranty. Obviously a hardware fault as couldn't even boot.
on other phones i find using a charger that doesn't have a removable usb cable works well, and don't try to charge it from the computer.
monstermm said:
Mine did the same thing. Went 100% dead. After a few random reboots the days leading up, it finally went off when I noticed it had really low battery. Never to come back on.
Not even getting the red light at the top so put it in for a repair through my Telco (Telstra), (who are apparently the authorised repairer for HTC in Aus) and the mainboard was replaced. Got it back a week later fixed.
Phone had been unlocked through HTCDev but had no issues with warranty. Obviously a hardware fault as couldn't even boot.
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after one hour of wall-plugging, the unit gains some heat around the camera, but no signs of charging...damn, guess I have to ask for replacement...
eh...did you root/unlock bootloader/flash roms?
I'm kinda worried that Rogers will give me a hassle for that...although it's a battery problem...
nvm...need to work on my reading skills...so unlocking bootloader is fine....

is my bolt finally dead?

had a recessed power button, tried getting it come out and popped out the entire button....everything was still fine for a while with cm7 volume as wake and screen off app....to get it to come on when removed battery, i did the trick where u wait for charged led pull battery then reinsert when led off and it would come on
last night i noticed it was off and i attempted the trick again and nothing...i would get a slight vibration like it was attempting to come on...not full vibration like usual
any tips? i already ordered new 1 but still rather be able get it on so maybe can sell it
slight vibration is the charge mode vibration.. really all i know
Could be a bad battery. Maybe try finding a cheap battery and see if it will boot then
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battery is fairly new, like 3 weeks....rezound batt off amazon
used my old bad battery and nothing...oh well new one on the way but not till tuesday!
I use my bolt with no power button. I actually ripped the button off the mobo so I can short it with a paper clip when needed. Another helpful piece of info: cwm touch has a bug where the phone will ALWAYS turn on when plugged in. Pretty handy with no pwr button.
I had to rip it off the mobo so I can short it because AFAIK there is no way to update the radio without it.
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Well, you could always reboot directly to bootloader from a Rom with advanced power men...you need a power button for that... Oh.
Why not replace the power button, parts are only getting cheaper, no?
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Hell its just as cheap to replace the phone as it is to replace the power button.
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djcyph said:
had a recessed power button, tried getting it come out and popped out the entire button....everything was still fine for a while with cm7 volume as wake and screen off app....to get it to come on when removed battery, i did the trick where u wait for charged led pull battery then reinsert when led off and it would come on
last night i noticed it was off and i attempted the trick again and nothing...i would get a slight vibration like it was attempting to come on...not full vibration like usual
any tips? i already ordered new 1 but still rather be able get it on so maybe can sell it
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Here you go buddy - found you a good Battery replacement from a well known, reliable and very trusting website: Newegg.com - HTC Thunderbolt Verizon 1400mAh battery replacement

[Q] NEED HELP! Screwed up ODIN root procedure, and GS3 is lifeless

Just got the Verizon GS3 from my employer; and, decided to root it.
It received the JB 4.1.1. OTA yesterday, after being activated; and, I tried to use the XDA posted procedure for rooting that new build:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2046439
Did all the prep, got ODIN and VRALEC bootchain loading, until ODIN showed green.
While waiting for the GS3 to reboot, I knocked the USB cable out of my laptop.
Couldn't get ODIN to continue, and the GS3 won't boot at all...100% black screen.
The only kind of response I get is when I connect the GS3 to the USB cable, and hold down the power button. After about 20 seconds, the computer will make soft pinging noises.
I've rooted a lot of Android phones. Had lots of problems, but never actually bricked one...especially one belonging to the company.
Have a completely bricked this poor phone; or does someone have a plan to offer?
THANKS, IN ADVANCE!
PJ Arts
Have you pulled battery let it sit for a little then put the battery in and tried getting back into Odin mode? Of course without the usb connected
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kintwofan said:
Have you pulled battery let it sit for a little then put the battery in and tried getting back into Odin mode? Of course without the usb connected
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Appreciate the suggestion, Kintwofan.
Unfortunately, I had already tried that...took the battery out; and, let the phone sit for 10 minutes.
There is absolutely nothing when I hold down the Power button...no sound, no lights, no haptic buzz.
The only time it gives any sign of life is if I plug in the USB cable, while the battery is out. Then the upper-left LED glows red...even when I put the battery back in. However, after about 1 minute, the light goes out, and the GS3 will give out three short 'chirps'
Any other thoughts? Have I killed it?
PJA
Madmanmoose said:
Appreciate the suggestion, Kintwofan.
Unfortunately, I had already tried that...took the battery out; and, let the phone sit for 10 minutes.
There is absolutely nothing when I hold down the Power button...no sound, no lights, no haptic buzz.
The only time it gives any sign of life is if I plug in the USB cable, while the battery is out. Then the upper-left LED glows red...even when I put the battery back in. However, after about 1 minute, the light goes out, and the GS3 will give out three short 'chirps'
Any other thoughts? Have I killed it?
PJA
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I'm thinking so, that's the same symptoms as when people flash international versions of a ROM.
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Had this before it's a soft brick,I think. you need to get into Odin mode and flash bootloader again, there's a thread in dev section with the files and the procedure
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Madmanmoose said:
Appreciate the suggestion, Kintwofan.
Unfortunately, I had already tried that...took the battery out; and, let the phone sit for 10 minutes.
There is absolutely nothing when I hold down the Power button...no sound, no lights, no haptic buzz.
The only time it gives any sign of life is if I plug in the USB cable, while the battery is out. Then the upper-left LED glows red...even when I put the battery back in. However, after about 1 minute, the light goes out, and the GS3 will give out three short 'chirps'
Any other thoughts? Have I killed it?
PJA
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You know a USB jig may actually be helpful in your situation. I think they're like 10 in eBay
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I've knocked my chord out from flashing so many times on the fascinate. Good lord. Plus it would even turn it blue mid way and get all messed up.
I simply put it back in download mode and flashed away. OP has not specified trying to get into download mode. Try that.....
tonu42 said:
I've knocked my chord out from flashing so many times on the fascinate. Good lord. Plus it would even turn it blue mid way and get all messed up.
I simply put it back in download mode and flashed away. OP has not specified trying to get into download mode. Try that.....
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You may be right, I told him to a while ago, but re reading his response it sounds like he just tried to power it back on.
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Same for the droid x. Just put it back in bootloader mode and start the sbf over. The only real problem was if your battery was too low and your would have to find an external charger. That sucked and people would freak out.
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If you are able to get in to download mode consider installing the pre rooted K3 found here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984436
I have 4 phones, I used OTA Rootkeeper on one, used the method above on two and the fourth is still on ICS, until this weekend.
I hope all works out well for you.
Unplug the usb from the phone. Hold Home+ Vol Down+ Power at same time, When it boots, then Vol. Up.
This is called Download mode. It WILL go into download mode if it shows a battery icon when plugged in.,
Then, open odin, plug the usb into the phone & continue on.
Just trying to power on from a soft brick will do nothing. It sounds like that is what you are doing.
Appreciate all the feedback.
I charged the battery in an external charger; and, tried to get back into ODIN mode.
I held the lower volume and home buttons down, then held the power button.
Nothing happened at all.
If I did it wrong, please explain how I should do it.
As always, thanks in advance!
PJ Arts
Did the phone even vibrate? Instead of holding them down at the same time, do it in a sequence. Volume down, home button, power button. Hold each one down while you hold the next button down.
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Madmanmoose said:
Appreciate all the feedback.
I charged the battery in an external charger; and, tried to get back into ODIN mode.
I held the lower volume and home buttons down, then held the power button.
Nothing happened at all.
If I did it wrong, please explain how I should do it.
As always, thanks in advance!
PJ Arts
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Try this:
Make sure battery is charged. Hold down: volume down, home, and power buttons. THEN insert battery.
buhohitr said:
Try this:
Make sure battery is charged. Hold down: volume down, home, and power buttons. THEN insert battery.
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Battery fully charged, and did the exact sequences described in the two most recent posts. Nothing at all... no vibrations, no lights, no sounds.
Chocu1a said:
Unplug the usb from the phone. Hold Home+ Vol Down+ Power at same time, When it boots, then Vol. Up.
This is called Download mode. It WILL go into download mode if it shows a battery icon when plugged in.,
Then, open odin, plug the usb into the phone & continue on.
Just trying to power on from a soft brick will do nothing. It sounds like that is what you are doing.
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Sorry I didn't make it clearer. There was NOTHING on the screen at all.
What happened was if I plugged in the USB while the battery was out, a red LED came on (top left of the front of the device).
Whether I put the battery back in, or not, the red LED would turn off after about 30 seconds; and, the phone would give 3 soft 'chirps'.
The red LED doesn't go on, if the battery is in; and, there has been no other light, and there has been absolutely nothing on the screen.
Thanks!
PJA
Madmanmoose said:
Sorry I didn't make it clearer. There was NOTHING on the screen at all.
What happened was if I plugged in the USB while the battery was out, a red LED came on (top left of the front of the device).
Whether I put the battery back in, or not, the red LED would turn off after about 30 seconds; and, the phone would give 3 soft 'chirps'.
The red LED doesn't go on, if the battery is in; and, there has been no other light, and there has been absolutely nothing on the screen.
Thanks!
PJA
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This exact same thing happened to me when flashing (except I didn't knock the cord out). I tried all of the solutions found on these forms, and I even ordered a USB jig and nothing would work. I had the same thing happen with the red light coming on, wouldn't power on, tried the battery, holding the button combinations, etc.-still a no go. I finally gave up and had to ask for a replacement device unfortunately. I have an unopened USB jig from MobileTechVideos (I had ordered one from them and one from eBay) if you'd like to give it a shot with your device anyway.
just saw this on phandroid
http://phandroid.com/2012/12/21/samsung-galaxy-s3-mainboard-failure/
maybe you can say that you think you have had a bad mother board samsung is replacing them with new devices it worth a shot...it not honest but if you want a new device it worth a shot...:fingers-crossed:
ct_tec313 said:
just saw this on phandroid
http://phandroid.com/2012/12/21/samsung-galaxy-s3-mainboard-failure/
maybe you can say that you think you have had a bad mother board samsung is replacing them with new devices it worth a shot...it not honest but if you want a new device it worth a shot...:fingers-crossed:
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I appreciate the suggestion. However, it was company property; and, I made the choice to screw around with it. As such, it is my responsibility; and, I won't scam Verizon or my employers to do some undeserved CYA.
MindArchr...thanks for the offer. Its very decent of you to do so; but, I have already arranged to make restitution for the device that I bricked; and, my company has ordered me another one.
The very best of luck and a very Happy Holiday, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and all that stuff to all of you!
PJA

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