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Hi,
I had a few questions about kernels...hope someone can help me in answering these...
I am thinking of trying out the Netarchy kernel on my Nexus S, but i was just wondering is there anywhere I can download the stock kernel (so that if anything does go wrong i dont have to do a full nandroid restore?)
Also, when installing a new kernel does that wipe data (of course I will make a backup etc before installing it, but should all my settings and apps etc remain intact normally?)
what impact does an OTA update have if i am running a non stock kernel? so say i am using Netarchy's kernel, and google releases a new OTA update...will i still be able to install the update? If i do, will it revert to stock kernel?
Thanks in advance,
brownmonkey said:
Hi,
I had a few questions about kernels...hope someone can help me in answering these...
I am thinking of trying out the Netarchy kernel on my Nexus S, but i was just wondering is there anywhere I can download the stock kernel (so that if anything does go wrong i dont have to do a full nandroid restore?)
Also, when installing a new kernel does that wipe data (of course I will make a backup etc before installing it, but should all my settings and apps etc remain intact normally?)
what impact does an OTA update have if i am running a non stock kernel? so say i am using Netarchy's kernel, and google releases a new OTA update...will i still be able to install the update? If i do, will it revert to stock kernel?
Thanks in advance,
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I'm not aware of anywhere that the stock kernel is available for download so doing a NANDroid backup is really your best option. If you have anything that deviates from stock (kernel, rom, theme, even just deleted stock apps) it will prevent you from being able to successfully update from an OTA.
You can find a lot of information about all the available kernels here just scroll down to the third post and you'll find the info.
Finally, just as a note of personal opinion, getting OTA updates is a little overrated. If you run a custom ROM, the OTAs will be included in those ROMs eventually so you won't have to worry about restoring a stock ROM just to get the updates.
kenvan19 said:
I'm not aware of anywhere that the stock kernel is available for download so doing a NANDroid backup is really your best option. If you have anything that deviates from stock (kernel, rom, theme, even just deleted stock apps) it will prevent you from being able to successfully update from an OTA.
You can find a lot of information about all the available kernels here just scroll down to the third post and you'll find the info.
Finally, just as a note of personal opinion, getting OTA updates is a little overrated. If you run a custom ROM, the OTAs will be included in those ROMs eventually so you won't have to worry about restoring a stock ROM just to get the updates.
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Thanks for the quick answer. I had read that post before (it was actually how i came to discover kernels ). The reason why I was asking about the OTA is because I actually use the stock ROM but was just thinking about trying out the Netarchy kernel just to see what its all about. Hence if there is an OTA update, and i am running a different kernel to the stock, is the only way for me to incorporate the update by flashing the new stock rom and then reinstall the netarchy kernel?
Also, if i install it, do you know if it wipes data/apps?
Thanks
brownmonkey said:
Thanks for the quick answer. I had read that post before (it was actually how i came to discover kernels ). The reason why I was asking about the OTA is because I actually use the stock ROM but was just thinking about trying out the Netarchy kernel just to see what its all about. Hence if there is an OTA update, and i am running a different kernel to the stock, is the only way for me to incorporate the update by flashing the new stock rom and then reinstall the netarchy kernel?
Also, if i install it, do you know if it wipes data/apps?
Thanks
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I apologize as I forgot to mention that part of your question, I'm sick with the flu and a little out of it on some cold medications lol. You only lose data and apps when flashing if you wipe the /data partition in mounts and storage and this is not required nor is it recommended when flashing a kernel. Sorry for answering out of order, but I thought I should clear that up first. As to the other question, you have it correct; you would need to flash the new update ROM and then flashing a new kernel.
I should also note that whenever you install a new ROM, you will need to reflash a custom kernel. This is because the vast majority of ROMs released include a kernel and when you flash them it will overwrite whatever kernel you currently have.
Finally, if you have any other questions you can always feel free to post them on that thread. I'm the one who wrote it and I check it often to try and answer questions as best and as quickly as I can. Happy flashing!
Are you using a custom ROM? Flashing CM7 has the stock kernel. There are probably other ones out there that includes stock kernel with them such as OTA.
Ok..I always try to figure it out by searching the forums...could not get there this time. I had Humbles rom on the phone...then I realized I should update my Baseband...so the mission starts.. I started on Basband ep3 on both the first and second lines..after reading it sounded like I needed to flash back to stock to get the update to ee4....I first deactivated voodo by adding the file directly ...reset phone then waited while the sexy voice said it was deactivated... then I flashed the stock rom...when I powered up the the phone on stock ...it did download the update...while installing the update it crashes and does not install correctly...so after messing around I re-flashed the stock rom and then downloaded the update again.....same thing happened.....then after reading some more I thought maybe my partitions where jacked so I flashed charge.pit ...now my phone wouldn't even show signs of life...stressing a bit ....I was able to flash Hummble 4.0 which brought my phone back to life...happy that it is working I'm now back where I originally started but now I'm on Ep1...even worse than before I started..lol
Does anyone have any ideas why it would not update? any help would be great!
Ep3 is the newest radio version. Ep1 is the second newest. And ee4 is the oldest. So you were really trying to unupdate. You are fine with the ep1 modems. But if you want to upgrade flash the ep3h radios through Odin.
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Yep
I'm confused....thanks for the clarification.... I thought I had to go to stock to get any updates...whats with all the posts talking about that?
any quick link to where I could download the ep3 for odin? much appreciated
kmichaeld said:
any quick link to where I could download the ep3 for odin? much appreciated
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Here ya go - EP3 Modem
The only reason you ever need to go back to stock is if you want to "unroot" your phone or to fix soft bricks. The baseband version corrosponds to the type of radios your phone is running (how you get your signal). And the radios are always independent of your ROM. Here's a short overview of the different radios from beginning to present.
ED1: Original charge modem. (sucked).
ED2: still sucks.
EE4: Latest official update for the droid charge. This is the radio that most Froyo Roms are based off of.
<I'm going to skip over a few because they are kind of non-existant now>
EP1Q: A leaked Gingerbread Radio. Significant improvements in signal strength.
EP1W: Improves upon EP1Q radio by handling data switching better. (A lot of Gingerbread ROMS are based off of this radio).
EP3H: The newest radio and probably the best. Some small improvements in data switching and got rid of occasional "popping" sounds from EP1W radio. Most of the newest ROMS use this radio as a base (Meaning they are optimized to use this radio).
Long story short, use the latest Radios. They always bring improvements. =)
I have come to the conclusion that something is wrong with my phone. I have tried to install ICS....a lot. I am not exagerating when I say that I have tried every Odin install, and every ICS ROM that has more than a few positive results. Nothing will work. I am not new to flashing, I have had a Captivate, Inspire, Tab and have had no issues with those, even created a few themes and build.prop tweaks. I know what I am doing and I follow the OP instructions perfectly. The damn thing just wont take. I get the white Samsung screen, a black screen, a vibration, and a reboot. So at this point I think I am just going to stick with GB for right now and hope that either the offcial ICS update works (when available) or maybe 5.0 later this year.
Two weeks of try to make this work has run me ragged. Outside of the ICS issues though this is by far the best device I have had in terms of performance and reliablility.
Rant over.
Did u flash the uclc5 radio at any point in time?
If not what radio did u install, and did u install it before u flashed ics rom?
What recovery were u using?
Did u odin back stock in between each ics attempt? Did u use dark side wipe at all?
*#* Google dropbox, its useful.
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTcwNDE0ODUyOQ *#*
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Did u flash the uclc5 radio at any point in time?
If not what radio did u install, and did u install it before u flashed ics rom?
What recovery were u using?
Did u odin back stock in between each ics attempt? Did u use dark side wipe at all?
*#* Google dropbox, its useful.
https://www.dropbox.com/referrals/NTcwNDE0ODUyOQ *#*
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I have not tried the uclc5 radio. I saw a bunch of posts about it being for the Note, however the ROMs I was looking at all used ucld2 and ucla4 radios, so that is what I have been trying. Even the ROMs with the radio included as part of the install didn't work. And yes, I installed the radios (when applicable) before attempting the ROM install.
Recovery is the same, most ROMs suggested a particular recovery and I attempted using the suggestion in each OP, then attempted with the newest recovery when they didn't work, so I bascially did each ROM I tried twice. I did flash back to stock before each attempt.
I do have the dark side wipe and ran it before every attempt, then followed the OP instructions to perform the normal wipe\format and dalvik wipes when directed.
What kills me is that I get the same bootloop when trying an Odin ICS. The only version of that I have not tried is the version that was extracted from the oneclick.
I even had problems getting a GB ROM to install. I did manage to get superlite 3.1 installed after several attempts. You better believe I have nandroid backups of this working install....in several places.
My other concern is that even when the official update gets pushed out that I won't be able to install that either.
I appreciate your suggestion to use uclc5 radio. If I try to install that I suppose I need to try and flash a ROM that does not come with a radio as part of the package?
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I have not tried the uclc5 radio. I saw a bunch of posts about it being for the Note, however the ROMs I was looking at all used ucld2 and ucla4 radios, so that is what I have been trying. Even the ROMs with the radio included as part of the install didn't work. And yes, I installed the radios (when applicable) before attempting the ROM install.
Recovery is the same, most ROMs suggested a particular recovery and I attempted using the suggestion in each OP, then attempted with the newest recovery when they didn't work, so I bascially did each ROM I tried twice. I did flash back to stock before each attempt.
I do have the dark side wipe and ran it before every attempt, then followed the OP instructions to perform the normal wipe\format and dalvik wipes when directed.
What kills me is that I get the same bootloop when trying an Odin ICS. The only version of that I have not tried is the version that was extracted from the oneclick.
I even had problems getting a GB ROM to install. I did manage to get superlite 3.1 installed after several attempts. You better believe I have nandroid backups of this working install....in several places.
My other concern is that even when the official update gets pushed out that I won't be able to install that either.
I appreciate your suggestion to use uclc5 radio. If I try to install that I suppose I need to try and flash a ROM that does not come with a radio as part of the package?
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Personally, I haven't had anything but trouble with superdarkside. Its an excellent tool, but for me, hasn't meshed well with ICS. You should try following seans op for Sky ICS UCLC4, without using darkside at all to change from where your at now.
Also, the modem (aside from UCLC5 for some) has no effect on the installs, I sat on Sky ICS UCLC4 with the UCLC3 modem for a couple weeks without any issues at all.
I have tried all of the CWM mods posted here, and to be honest, my favorite is the CWM touch when installed from rommanager. Seans roms seem to take better with it more than the rest. The CWM touch that is posted on the sky UCLC4 OP is good, but it has a couple minor bugs.
Are you using SuperSU or superuser? Supersu has backfired on numerous occasions for me, I always stick to superuser (and I'm sure I'll be flamed for the comment. Every skyrocket reacts differently, remember)
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Personally, I haven't had anything but trouble with superdarkside. Its an excellent tool, but for me, hasn't meshed well with ICS. You should try following seans op for Sky ICS UCLC4, without using darkside at all to change from where your at now.
Also, the modem (aside from UCLC5 for some) has no effect on the installs, I sat on Sky ICS UCLC4 with the UCLC3 modem for a couple weeks without any issues at all.
I have tried all of the CWM mods posted here, and to be honest, my favorite is the CWM touch when installed from rommanager. Seans roms seem to take better with it more than the rest. The CWM touch that is posted on the sky UCLC4 OP is good, but it has a couple minor bugs.
Are you using SuperSU or superuser? Supersu has backfired on numerous occasions for me, I always stick to superuser (and I'm sure I'll be flamed for the comment. Every skyrocket reacts differently, remember)
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I will give it a shot. I would really like to get back to ICS, I got so used to it on my other phones.
I have been using superuser, haven't had a problem yet from that.
lacer4576 said:
I have not tried the uclc5 radio. I saw a bunch of posts about it being for the Note, however the ROMs I was looking at all used ucld2 and ucla4 radios, so that is what I have been trying. Even the ROMs with the radio included as part of the install didn't work. And yes, I installed the radios (when applicable) before attempting the ROM install.
Recovery is the same, most ROMs suggested a particular recovery and I attempted using the suggestion in each OP, then attempted with the newest recovery when they didn't work, so I bascially did each ROM I tried twice. I did flash back to stock before each attempt.
I do have the dark side wipe and ran it before every attempt, then followed the OP instructions to perform the normal wipe\format and dalvik wipes when directed.
What kills me is that I get the same bootloop when trying an Odin ICS. The only version of that I have not tried is the version that was extracted from the oneclick.
I even had problems getting a GB ROM to install. I did manage to get superlite 3.1 installed after several attempts. You better believe I have nandroid backups of this working install....in several places.
My other concern is that even when the official update gets pushed out that I won't be able to install that either.
I appreciate your suggestion to use uclc5 radio. If I try to install that I suppose I need to try and flash a ROM that does not come with a radio as part of the package?
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I know this may be silly but have you tried to re-download the one click leak your using? Maybe you have a bad download or a corrupt file. And, or try to use a different usb port when you flash. It seems you've tried everything and maybe you have a defective device. I started having a lot of issues recently after going from ROM to ROM so I just flashed the one-click to get back to a clean state and then carefully chose which ROM I wanted to use and carefully install it. I've always used Darkside Superwipe but since I've quit using it, things have been much smoother. What I do now is what most Devs are saying now is to wipe/factory reset multiple times and format/system multiple times. If thats not working maybe go all the way back to stock GB with k0nanes stock tar and go from there. As far as the uclc5 radio, be careful!! I'm sure you've read that it can corrupt a partition and cause issues. I did flash it once and it did work for 48 hours but I noticed signal loss so I flashed back to uclc2. Maybe I got lucky it didn't mess me up, who knows? And if you have an issue not receiving an official update, IF you do go back to the stock GB tar, do a nandroid and flash that when it comes out. Just make sure you flash the stock recovery before you take it. I have a stock GB backup on my SD, so IF and WHEN it does come out, I'll just flash the backup, flash stock recovery and take the OTA. With your constant bootloops, it seems to me its a bad download or a defective device. It seems you've tried everything. Good luck...
^^^ this makes sense. Also I was asking about the note radio to advise u against it, or u may end up screwing up ur phone even worse, and have to make a visit to my corrupt efs fix thread lol.
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I know this may be silly but have you tried to re-download the one click leak your using? Maybe you have a bad download or a corrupt file. And, or try to use a different usb port when you flash. It seems you've tried everything and maybe you have a defective device. I started having a lot of issues recently after going from ROM to ROM so I just flashed the one-click to get back to a clean state and then carefully chose which ROM I wanted to use and carefully install it. I've always used Darkside Superwipe but since I've quit using it, things have been much smoother. What I do now is what most Devs are saying now is to wipe/factory reset multiple times and format/system multiple times. If thats not working maybe go all the way back to stock GB with k0nanes stock tar and go from there. As far as the uclc5 radio, be careful!! I'm sure you've read that it can corrupt a partition and cause issues. I did flash it once and it did work for 48 hours but I noticed signal loss so I flashed back to uclc2. Maybe I got lucky it didn't mess me up, who knows? And if you have an issue not receiving an official update, IF you do go back to the stock GB tar, do a nandroid and flash that when it comes out. Just make sure you flash the stock recovery before you take it. I have a stock GB backup on my SD, so IF and WHEN it does come out, I'll just flash the backup, flash stock recovery and take the OTA. With your constant bootloops, it seems to me its a bad download or a defective device. It seems you've tried everything. Good luck...
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I will try to get a different download, but I do not think that is it. The only reason I say that is because my phone had the exact same response for EVERY ROM I have download. They can't all be bad files. I have tried on two different PCs with three different USB cables. Good thought though, I have had bad downloads before. I am going to keep trying as the ROMs are updated and hope that I figure out what is going on, and hope that I can get the official update at some point. Then I will just root it and get rid of the bloat myself if I have to
I am going to stay away from the L5 radio, not worth the hassle.
On a side note, if installing a rom from the site, remember, most will work with the "base"
But need to reset/full boot before "updating".. dont just flash rom and flash update then reboot
I had a hard time with ICS as well with different problems, all I can say is it disproves the definition of insanity. Trying the same things over and over again will eventually make it work!
Hang in there, it's worth it. Whenever you do get the ODIN one click to work I highly recommend flashing Raider03's SMOOTHIE ROM. Awesome battery life and extremely "SMOOTH"! But be prepared for a few FCs and bugs with all of the ICS ROMS for now!
what is the latest modem that's out for the droid charge and does anyone have an odin file for it? i'd prefer to not have to reload my phone totally just to get the latest.. currently running eclipse rom 2.0
leaveone said:
what is the latest modem that's out for the droid charge and does anyone have an odin file for it? i'd prefer to not have to reload my phone totally just to get the latest.. currently running eclipse rom 2.0
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FP5 stock only.
so there's no installable file for just the modem then? just gotta take the OTAs and go from there?
leaveone said:
so there's no installable file for just the modem then? just gotta take the OTAs and go from there?
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hmm... not sure. I vaguely recall someone putting the modems out somewhere, but maybe that was for FP1. maybe someone a little more experienced can chime.
sorry I could not be of any more help.
I believe I remember a patch being posted. There are no full modems for anything newer than EP4. Also, if I'm not mistaken, your signal bars will not work if you are running FP5 modems with an FP1 rom, due to the differences in the way the signal is reported.
If you ODIN the EP4 modems, there are modem updater zips you can use (CWM flashable) to go from EP4 to FP1, and then FP1 to FP5. If you are an Eclipse 2, then you are likely on FP1 (maybe anyway) and all you need is the FP1 to FP5 modem updater. That being said, if you are an FP1 build (which Eclipse 2.0 is) the signal strength reporting will be wonky when using FP5 modems. From what I understand actual connectivity isn't affected, just how the system presents the strength of that connectivity. Here is a link to it (ironically it was in the OP of the Tweaked 3 thread).
EDIT: In other words - what shrike78 said
Yup, tried all combos myself. Good.
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Thanks guys! I am on FP1 Eclipse Rom 2.0. Whichever modem I currently had was constantly going in and out so I reflashed the newest one that I had, which was EP4, so that's what I have now. Where is this modem updater to go from EP4 to FP1? If I can get to FP1, I'll likely just stay there to avoid the signal reporting issues on FP5.
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Thanks guys! I am on FP1 Eclipse Rom 2.0. Whichever modem I currently had was constantly going in and out so I reflashed the newest one that I had, which was EP4, so that's what I have now. Where is this modem updater to go from EP4 to FP1? If I can get to FP1, I'll likely just stay there to avoid the signal reporting issues on FP5.
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I'm pretty sure this is what you're looking for - lemme know if there's a problem with it.
Thanks guys! I was able to update the modem to FP1 with the tool that dwitherell linked to. My phone still does drop signal from time to time.. maybe it's just an issue in the area I live or just that the phone has had a year of use on it..
leaveone said:
Thanks guys! I was able to update the modem to FP1 with the tool that dwitherell linked to. My phone still does drop signal from time to time.. maybe it's just an issue in the area I live or just that the phone has had a year of use on it..
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then perhaps you'll need to up it to FP5...
You can nandroid, flash factory EP4D with Odin, take both OTA's, Odin Tweaked with recovery, then restore nandroid.
Just an option
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I'm tired of dealing with this flash ep4 stock, then update twice. I don't know how it's going to work out, but I'm trying to figure out how to pull the FP5E modems off of it. So far, all I'm getting is the LTE portion, not the CDMA portion. But then, I'm not done screwing around with it just yet. Hopefully I can figure out an odin file.
edji-x said:
I'm tired of dealing with this flash ep4 stock, then update twice. I don't know how it's going to work out, but I'm trying to figure out how to pull the FP5E modems off of it. So far, all I'm getting is the LTE portion, not the CDMA portion. But then, I'm not done screwing around with it just yet. Hopefully I can figure out an odin file.
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The CDMA portion isn't accessible. Thank Samsung for going with VIA.
The only way there were ever full flashable CDMA modems for the Charge were because there were sources for leaks. Those sources have dried up as people have moved on to other devices.
This is a little confusing so bear with me.
I installed CM for my S3 and ended up reflashing the modem to fix SMS. Eventually I noticed there were a lot more issues(GPS, signal, etc) with the phone and have went back to CleanRom (Stock-Root-I535VRUCML1-De-Odex-V2.zip) though the bars still seem a little low. I'm guessing I need to update my modem and I saw a few threads in the archives over at Scott's about the ML1 modem (d2vzw_ML1_modem.zip) can I just flash that file and everything will be fine?
Right now the baseband is I535VRBMB1. If I need to update it what should I update too? Also are there any good 4.4 alternatives? Could I go back to CM mod and flash this ML1 modem and have a good experience? Or are the modem issues I experience with CM mod just unavoidable?
Bump. Anyone have an answer?
MF1 is the commonly recommended latest unlocked radio/firmware. (You MB1 is clearly much older.) You can add the ML1 radio on top of this, but don't add the entire ML1 firmware (which includes the locked bootloader).
mastamoon has the MF1 firmware (which includes radio) on his ROM thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569769 I would suggest starting there, and then you can consider applying the ML1 radio-only which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54520377&postcount=1343 (since invisiblek.org is down)...
At least this is how I understand it to be. I'm running the ML1 radio on the MF1 firmware on stock, rooted, BL-unlocked...
EDIT: Mind you, this assumes you're staying unlocked. Putting in an older FW/baseband on a locked BL phone can cause a brick. I expect you don't have this situation, as you were running CM (natively? or on safeboot?)... so you need to be clear on what you have, and where you want to go...
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MF1 is the commonly recommended latest unlocked radio/firmware. (You MB1 is clearly much older.) You can add the ML1 radio on top of this, but don't add the entire ML1 firmware (which includes the locked bootloader).
mastamoon has the MF1 firmware (which includes radio) on his ROM thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2569769 I would suggest starting there, and then you can consider applying the ML1 radio-only which can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54520377&postcount=1343 (since invisiblek.org is down)...
At least this is how I understand it to be. I'm running the ML1 radio on the MF1 firmware on stock, rooted, BL-unlocked...
EDIT: Mind you, this assumes you're staying unlocked. Putting in an older FW/baseband on a locked BL phone can cause a brick. I expect you don't have this situation, as you were running CM (natively? or on safeboot?)... so you need to be clear on what you have, and where you want to go...
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Thanks a ton. Yes I'm staying unlocked and I was running CM natively. Downgrading the radio was a fix to a problem a lot of people in my area had with CMs radio. I'll look into it more I guess. Going back to CleanRom was just an attempt to solve the problems CM seemed to be causing me.
Presently I have Cleanrom 8.2 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1832070 I'd like to go back to 4.4 since it felt like I got better battery life. So I'll take a look at some of the various things on the forum. I don't know if putting 4.4 on the S3 at this point is just going to cause issues or what exactly.