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Gold Card

Hey guys,
I have been trying for ages to get a goldcard to work for the Sensation. I have managed to create a goldcard, but sadly, when trying to flash via fastboot (using RUU) and off the SD card, it doesn't work.
This leads me to think: Have HTC someone disabled the spoofing of CIDs from gold cards? Like I said, the gold card is created properly, the only thing I can think of, is that HTC disabled it? Or could it just be the SD card that is causing it to not work?
I am not a huge expert on this, can anyone else help?

madindehead said:
Hey guys,
I have been trying for ages to get a goldcard to work for the Sensation. I have managed to create a goldcard, but sadly, when trying to flash via fastboot (using RUU) and off the SD card, it doesn't work.
This leads me to think: Have HTC someone disabled the spoofing of CIDs from gold cards? Like I said, the gold card is created properly, the only thing I can think of, is that HTC disabled it? Or could it just be the SD card that is causing it to not work?
I am not a huge expert on this, can anyone else help?
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nice your trying, will keep my eye on you

capychimp said:
nice your trying, will keep my eye on you
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Haha thanks capy
I have 4 SD cards which I am testing out. Using bootloader method with PG58IMG.zip (Sensation ROM name in zip via bootloader) and via RUU (fastboot commands and then running the RUU, commands found here
Let's see how it goes. But I am worried that HTC did disable it somehow Is that possible?

i have no idea, but now i have a big intrest as i can get it here now, but if i cannot cook for it, then why by it but would be nice cooking for it along with dhd

I believe goldcard doesn't really help on most modern devices from htc...

pulser_g2 said:
I believe goldcard doesn't really help on most modern devices from htc...
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I thought it worked on the Incredible S? Certainly worked on the DHD. I didn't ever use one, but I know people have done it (seen it in threads regarding debranding)

Information courtesy of jagaroth via a PM to me:
Sorry to PM but I can't post on a dev section without 10 posts and won't spam other subjects when hacking the desire is what I'm interested in. Feel free to repost if you think anything below is interesting (or will save others time).
Ok, I have at least 2 working gold cards and none of the HTC generic Roms will flash.
Thought I would try flashing my networks ROM (just testing fastboot PG58IMG.zip) & while that passed sig check it failed to install.
So next thing to try was using the RUU.exe and againg a fail. Seems you can't downgrade your existing ROM. I have 1.27.161.1 & the RUU is 1.24.161.1.
With downgrading Roms out for now (even with a gold card) a bit more digging is needed to un-brand and caution in upgrading since going back if an exploit is discovered will be tricky.
There does seem to be a weakness that may enable gingerbreak style root. Data can be pushed to data/local/tmp , chmod used and code executed there. A small chink in the armour.
Much faffing around in adb shell and examining logcat data awaits. Feels very strange having a tethered phone when I've got used to wifi adb!
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So yeah, seems goldcard is out Such a shame
I hate HTC right now. At least a nice little goldcard would mean I could dump this Vodafone crap, and get proper Sensation Rosie here (the transparent one).
Update: I tried to run the HTC 1.27 shipped RUU (not the 1.24 RUU) and I got a different error. It was a signature error, not a CID error. What could this mean exactly? Not an expert.

madindehead said:
Information courtesy of jagaroth via a PM to me:
So yeah, seems goldcard is out Such a shame
I hate HTC right now. At least a nice little goldcard would mean I could dump this Vodafone crap, and get proper Sensation Rosie here (the transparent one).
Update: I tried to run the HTC 1.27 shipped RUU (not the 1.24 RUU) and I got a different error. It was a signature error, not a CID error. What could this mean exactly? Not an expert.
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Goldcard's don't allow downgrading on their own. You have to change the ROM version identifier in misc to a lower version - in addition to using a Goldcard if you have a carrier CID and are downgrading to stock - if you want to do that. As far as upgrading/unbranding, I can't say why the sig check is failing as I don't have the phone and I'm not an expert. These instructions work for making a Goldcard for the DHD:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-...ding-1-32-405-6-1-84-720-3-a.html#post2657079

dazweeja said:
Goldcard's don't allow downgrading on their own. You have to change the ROM version identifier in misc to a lower version - in addition to using a Goldcard if you have a carrier CID and are downgrading to stock - if you want to do that. As far as upgrading/unbranding, I can't say why the sig check is failing as I don't have the phone and I'm not an expert. These instructions work for making a Goldcard for the DHD:
http://androidforums.com/desire-hd-...ding-1-32-405-6-1-84-720-3-a.html#post2657079
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So, where is the misc that you can change the version number in to downgrade then?

madindehead said:
So, where is the misc that you can change the version number in to downgrade then?
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It's the partition on the phone where things like CID, ROM version and other variables are stored. You need at least temp root to write to it so we're not in a position to do this yet.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...plained-boot-system-recovery-data-cache-misc/

dazweeja said:
It's the partition on the phone where things like CID, ROM version and other variables are stored. You need at least temp root to write to it so we're not in a position to do this yet.
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile...plained-boot-system-recovery-data-cache-misc/
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Damn ok. Thanks for that. Then I will stop with trying to get 1.24 to install. 1.27 gives me a signature error, not a CID error, so not sure what that is (going from Vodafone 1.27 to HTC 1.27).
I guess I will pack it in until we get temp root. And since GingerBreak doesn't work, I don't know how we can get temp root. Really need a proper dev to get the device and start work on it, as I wouldn't know where to start looking, unless people can give me pointers?

If we find a dev willing to work on it we should have a whip round so they can buy a sensation. I saw they did this on an attrix thread if I remember right and they had the money in donations within a couple of days.
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kingguff said:
If we find a dev willing to work on it we should have a whip round so they can buy a sensation. I saw they did this on an attrix thread if I remember right and they had the money in donations within a couple of days.
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Not a bad idea.
TO begin with, temp root would be a massive bonus. First allowing rooted apps to at least run, and then work can begin on the actual bootloader.

Yes it was the attrix thread, they got 700$ to a dev in China and he is making progress by the sound of it.
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I cannot find it now. I'll have a look when i get home
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well i tried everything i know related to goldcards and no dice. my sensation has 1.27 base and i was trying to update to 1.28. no matter how many cards i made (yes they were correctly made) i come done to this:
(bootloader) checking custom ID...
FAILED (remote: 42 custom id check fail)

The best is to speak with AlphaRev team...........

I only flashed the stock asia rom again,and felt a bit faster than before..

same
Same thing here
I have made a gold card, and i am getting the Country ID (CID) error.

RADLOUNI said:
Same thing here
I have made a gold card, and i am getting the Country ID (CID) error.
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The same..I tried to flash O2 1.34 ROM, but it said CID incorrect

permroot for S-off MyTouch 4G Slide

How i got perm root on my MT4GS (does not give S-off just permroot of an S-off device)
YOU NEED TO HAVE A S-OFF device!
1)Start off with a fresh install of the TMO 1.28 ROM
2)Used temp root from MT4GSROOT.zip Thanks TeamWin for the temproot method Here is thread for orgnial files)
open MT4GSROOT\ADB (on pc)
Make sure that you have USB debugging turned on (on phone) and drivers installed to PC
Run Fre3voMT4gS.bat (from MT4GSROOT\ADB)
3)check in ternimal ((on phone) need to install from market)) and see if you have root (I got permission denied)
4)ran superonclick with Gingerbreak exploit (thanks CLShortFuse for making this tool) (on pc) - S1C thread
open MT4GSROOT and click on Superoneclick.exe
change exploit to Gingerbreak
hit root
Installed busybox when asked by S1C
Run Su test and looked on phone and Superuser asked for permission
5)Tried opening a app that uses root (root explorer) and SU FC on me
6)go to market and make sure you had latest version Installed (i had an update I needed)
7)Update binary when opening SU for the first time
Allow the SU app SU priviliages (funny I know)
8)Open a root app (root explorer again) and SU asked for permission
Test for permroot
turned off fastboot
deleted a system/app file (in this case htcfmwidget and htcfmwidge.obex) -using the r/w option in root explorer
Rebooted phone and reopened root explorer and looked for removed files and they were not there
None of the tools that I included were made by me they were made by the people I thanked. I just wrote the script for the tools to work. go to their threads and thank them.
Disclaimer I am not responsible for breaking your phone, melting it, or anything that may happen when doing this. Remember this is your choice
I have been able to use Root explorer, Titanium backup, terminal emulator and was able to remove APKs from the system folder that I do not want.

This is awesome!
So how did you get s-off? Did it ship that way?

raycaster3 said:
So how did you get s-off? Did it ship that way?
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Mine was shipped s-off ordered online
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crackeyes said:
Mine was shipped s-off ordered online
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That's awesome that we've acheived perm root already.
If you don't mind me asking, did you do the preorder process from t-mobile?
I am extremely interested in this, but I hate preorders

crackeyes said:
Mine was shipped s-off ordered online
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Killer. Mine is being shipped the 27th. I can't wait to give this a try. Now all we need is miui for this phone and we're all set! Haha
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raycaster3 said:
Killer. Mine is being shipped the 27th. I can't wait to gibe this a try. Now all we need is miui for this phone and we're all set! Haha
Sent from my demonSPEED Glacier
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Oh no, I just realized he is probably talking about the DoubleShot.
For some reason I have a feeling that the delay for T-Mobile USA customers is due to HTC installing a S-On bootloader

poormanq45 said:
That's awesome that we've acheived perm root already.
If you don't mind me asking, did you do the preorder process from t-mobile?
I am extremely interested in this, but I hate preorders
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I didn't preorder I acquired at a meet and greet where they gave me place to get it
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Please don't ask for ETA's people would start coming in MT4GS section soon It come's with stock 2.3.4 so all we need is a custom ROM & were fine . I will be creating a TouchWiz 4.0 ROM w/Sense w/ MIUI icon's .
raycaster3 said:
Killer. Mine is being shipped the 27th. I can't wait to give this a try. Now all we need is miui for this phone and we're all set! Haha
Sent from my demonSPEED Glacier
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No S-OFF on retail devices folks.
P

I cant get to get my computer to find it, is asking for the driver.... I try but I need the drivers it only appears as android phone on the management.
Update the driver comes on the original SD card, i swapped it which I didn't realized till now
Update 2: After finding the driver I still cant get root access.... anyone done it already?

waiting89 said:
I cant get to get my computer to find it, is asking for the driver.... I try but I need the drivers it only appears as android phone on the management.
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Install htc sync but make sure it is not running
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I got it working and follow the step of rooting, but I still dont get any root access...

is it possible to extract the s-off boot-loader from a device with s-off already? My understanding of these procedures is rudimentary at best, but if my understanding is correct, the boot-loader is a specific partition on the device, if someone with an s-off device could copy that image to their computer or just a folder on their sd-card, it should be possible then to share that with others who could then write that image to their boot-loader partion using fastboot. or can you not use fastboot until s-off is achieved? i hate that i always forget these things once i have my device running the way i want it to.

shizenyasuya said:
is it possible to extract the s-off boot-loader from a device with s-off already? My understanding of these procedures is rudimentary at best, but if my understanding is correct, the boot-loader is a specific partition on the device, if someone with an s-off device could copy that image to their computer or just a folder on their sd-card, it should be possible then to share that with others who could then write that image to their boot-loader partion using fastboot. or can you not use fastboot until s-off is achieved? i hate that i always forget these things once i have my device running the way i want it to.
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The Stupid Noob wants to know...
What the heck is "S-off"??

shizenyasuya said:
is it possible to extract the s-off boot-loader from a device with s-off already? My understanding of these procedures is rudimentary at best, but if my understanding is correct, the boot-loader is a specific partition on the device, if someone with an s-off device could copy that image to their computer or just a folder on their sd-card, it should be possible then to share that with others who could then write that image to their boot-loader partion using fastboot. or can you not use fastboot until s-off is achieved? i hate that i always forget these things once i have my device running the way i want it to.
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In order to flash the s-off bootloader you would have to have a eng bootloader. to put that on you would need s-off dont you love loop 22
As for s-off it means you can flash what ever you want to your device and it will not check to see if HTC signed it and approved it for you

thanks for that works great!!!!!!!!! also mine is from a retail store same day it came out

is it possible to build a PG59IMG file and pack the S-Off hboot into there?? possibly use HexEdit to make sure the version numbers match so that the phone will think it's just a factory reset/update file??

DJAeroX26 said:
is it possible to build a PG59IMG file and pack the S-Off hboot into there?? possibly use HexEdit to make sure the version numbers match so that the phone will think it's just a factory reset/update file??
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I think just by making that one hexedit you instantly invalidate the sign on the the zip. Mainly because hashing the new file would give you a different result.
This mechanism actually prevents OTA updates from flashing if the file was changed due to (for example) corruption.
Not entirely sure but I think it's how it works.
That being said I was wondering what would happen if someone with an S-OFF hboot were to dump it and someone with S-ON would simply DD the right partition after achieving temp root.
On any normal computer that process would work. Wondering what secret HTC things happen under the hood though.

Akujin said:
I think just by making that one hexedit you instantly invalidate the sign on the the zip. Mainly because hashing the new file would give you a different result.
This mechanism actually prevents OTA updates from flashing if the file was changed due to (for example) corruption.
Not entirely sure but I think it's how it works.
That being said I was wondering what would happen if someone with an S-OFF hboot were to dump it and someone with S-ON would simply DD the right partition after achieving temp root.
On any normal computer that process would work. Wondering what secret HTC things happen under the hood though.
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There's only one way to find out.
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Akujin said:
I think just by making that one hexedit you instantly invalidate the sign on the the zip. Mainly because hashing the new file would give you a different result.
This mechanism actually prevents OTA updates from flashing if the file was changed due to (for example) corruption.
Not entirely sure but I think it's how it works.
That being said I was wondering what would happen if someone with an S-OFF hboot were to dump it and someone with S-ON would simply DD the right partition after achieving temp root.
On any normal computer that process would work. Wondering what secret HTC things happen under the hood though.
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Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying that. I thought it would work because last time I did a warranty exchange, I had to return to stock but I had an ENG hboot and I was scared of bricking by using a factory image, so I took the factory image zip, unpacked it, "injected" the original hboot (which I hex edited to match the version number so that it'll take it as an update) and rezipped it and named it PC10IMG.zip. and yea I have a G2 but I want this phone :]
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[Q] Is anyone willing to risk their One S?

As the title says. Is anyone willing to risk their One S in order to achieve S-OFF for the One S or possibly other phones (if the method works, and gets ported)
Some might have insurance, that's even better. But by no means is anyone forcing one another nor do we take responsibility for damaged/bricked devices.

What do you have in mind.
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Planning to try this method, along with jobo hopefully.
18th.abn said:
This could be BIG for exploiting emmc mode..
the command to extract a single partition outua mmcblk Quote:
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0 of=/sdcard/imagename.img skip=blockstart count=#sectors
say if you wanted mmcblk0p19 radio-config. you would use the following command Quote:
dd if=/dev/block/mmcblk0 of=/sdcard/radioconfig.img skip=212994 count=16381
you can also change the above command to use dd if=/sdcard/imagename.img and extract partitions from a full mmcblock dump.
We could sent individual sectors of an individual partition.... If it allows it to stick......
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usaff22 said:
Planning to try this method, along with jobo hopefully.
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beaups said that write protection is enabled at that point. So you could use that to read / extract info but you couldn't write to a protected area anyways. So it will either fail or brick the phone.
What area are you planning to write to using that?

dc211 said:
beaups said that write protection is enabled at that point. So you could use that to read / extract info but you couldn't write to a protected area anyways. So it will either fail or brick the phone.
What area are you planning to write to using that?
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jobo said that method already works for splash screen customization. so I am assuming it works

Do if it works successfully we will have s off ?
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k1llacanon said:
Do if it works successfully we will have s off ?
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No but it will enable NFC. :silly:

dc211 said:
beaups said that write protection is enabled at that point. So you could use that to read / extract info but you couldn't write to a protected area anyways. So it will either fail or brick the phone.
What area are you planning to write to using that?
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usaff22 said:
jobo said that method already works for splash screen customization. so I am assuming it works
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I dont think we can write to hboot. On old hboots we can write boot splashes by dd'ing a picture into the emmc, but not on newer ones. I believe that old hboots only lock sbl1,2,3 and hboot and newer hboots lock pretty much everything except cache, system, data, sdcard. (Altho changing CID works afaik, so maybe some more..)
But yeah .. what were you planning to flash? A patched sbl?

usaff22 said:
Some might have insurance, that's even better.
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I don't know about insurance in other countries but for T-mobile US it's $130 if you break your phone. Sure it's not retail but it's not cheap either.

Free within first year if its hardware . Hehe
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I heard in some software versions SBL starts the locking and authentication, sets the read only on HBOOT but other versions the HBOOT enables write protection for itself, along with the SBLs.
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usaff22 said:
I heard in some software versions SBL starts the locking and authentication, sets the read only on HBOOT but other versions the HBOOT enables write protection for itself, along with the SBLs.
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Hboot is signature checked at start up; if you modify it in anyway the device will be bricked.

Where can I get this brick mod ?
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What is the Difference between Hboot and firmware?

[Q] just wanted to know What is the Difference between Hboot and firmware?anyone can tell me?
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Alsager said:
[Q] just wanted to know What is the Difference between Hboot and firmware?anyone can tell me?
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Hi,
HBOOT is bootloader. It lives inside NAND's first partition, mtd0 (if partition map is MTD). It is loaded in memory (RAM) when device is switched ON. Its jobs are:
Check the Hardware.
Initialize the Hardware.
Start the Operating System (Either Android or Recovery).
HBOOT can also support doing more than this like flashing ROMs.
Something More: Nandroid backup and restore don't touch HBOOT.
Firmware is Froyo,Gingerbread,ICS,Jelly Bean,And there will be different radios associated with each.

malybru said:
Hi,
HBOOT is bootloader. It lives inside NAND's first partition, mtd0 (if partition map is MTD). It is loaded in memory (RAM) when device is switched ON. Its jobs are:
Check the Hardware.
Initialize the Hardware.
Start the Operating System (Either Android or Recovery).
HBOOT can also support doing more than this like flashing ROMs.
Something More: Nandroid backup and restore don't touch HBOOT.
Firmware is Froyo,Gingerbread,ICS,Jelly Bean,And there will be different radios associated with each.
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So if you change the firmware , would that change the hboot as well.
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Alsager said:
So if you change the firmware , would that change the hboot as well.
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Hi,
Yes.

malybru said:
Hi,
HBOOT is bootloader. It lives inside NAND's first partition, mtd0 (if partition map is MTD). It is loaded in memory (RAM) when device is switched ON. Its jobs are:
Check the Hardware.
Initialize the Hardware.
Start the Operating System (Either Android or Recovery).
HBOOT can also support doing more than this like flashing ROMs.
Something More: Nandroid backup and restore don't touch HBOOT.
Firmware is Froyo,Gingerbread,ICS,Jelly Bean,And there will be different radios associated with each.
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Excellent and at the same time simply explanation!
I could say that the HBOOT is like the Bios on a computer (or not? jjejejejejeje).
Each day I learn something new! Thanks

padre629 said:
Excellent and at the same time simply explanation!
I could say that the HBOOT is like the Bios on a computer (or not? jjejejejejeje).
Each day I learn something new! Thanks
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something like that

S-OFF - HTC One Mini RUMRUNNER!!!

http://rumrunner.us/instructions/
http://rumrunner.us/downloads-2/

?
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INVICTUS79 said:
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It's a .bat file that s-off your one mini, I've used it myself
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Can you install paid apps on custom rom if you are s-off ?

can you please explain why do I need to s-off mine?
thx

RSchris said:
Can you install paid apps on custom rom if you are s-off ?
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I'm pretty sure you can install it in custom rom or any rom. And s-off doesn't have anything to do with that.

abzboi said:
I'm pretty sure you can install it in custom rom or any rom. And s-off doesn't have anything to do with that.
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Thank you. But today you can't install paid apps on Magio R3 and SolidRom. Magio R4 will fix the problem, according to the dev.

RSchris said:
Can you install paid apps on custom rom if you are s-off ?
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No that's a kernel issue
edimonoarfa said:
can you please explain why do I need to s-off mine?
thx
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Its a HTC security measure which stops your ability to change the system example with s-on you can't update superSU binary, can't delete system apps and can't install busy box
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CONdemmedNORmal said:
No that's a kernel issue
Its a HTC security measure which stops your ability to change the system example with s-on you can't update superSU binary, can't delete system apps and can't install busy box
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Well being able to delete system apps is a kernel thing.
S-off will allow you to flash Rom from recovery without having to fastboot kernel also allows you to write to any blk so in the future when HTC updates your firmware you won't have to go back to stock and take the ota you can flash new firmware useing fastboot. This is a blessing from the android gods. You should do it before HTC closes the exploit
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CONdemmedNORmal said:
Its a HTC security measure which stops your ability to change the system example with s-on you can't update superSU binary, can't delete system apps and can't install busy box
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Thank you
I've tried several times to s-off mine but always ended up to fail.
First, when it tried to update, it said "something stinky", i don't now if it was a success or not
Second, pouring til 8 times, ended with "wait 30 seconds, pray and boot"
Is something wrong? I think i fulfill everyting needs before

CONdemmedNORmal said:
Its a HTC security measure which stops your ability to change the system example with s-on you can't update superSU binary, can't delete system apps and can't install busy box
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That's incorrect, s-off, or security off, has nothing to do with system write protection, which is what you're referring to.
S-off gives you the ability to write low-level unsigned files to your device, such as bootloaders, splash images, etc.
The two are completely different things, and you can have one without having the other.

I'm on hboot 2.21, stock odex stock rom 4.4.2 rooted but for some reason, renove or rumrunner doesn't work for me. Rumrunner gets stuck on 8 out of 40 or something after rebooting. Renove gives me -1 or -2 error and doesn't s-off, can anyone tell me what's wrong? I've followed the instructions perfectly, even flashed the recommended rom..
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CNexus said:
That's incorrect, s-off, or security off, has nothing to do with system write protection, which is what you're referring to.
S-off gives you the ability to write low-level unsigned files to your device, such as bootloaders, splash images, etc.
The two are completely different things, and you can have one without having the other.
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Not now there has been more development no, but this was the case with the m4 to start with, you couldnt do anything to the system without it, for example deleting a system app no matter what you done to delete it would just cause the phone to instantly reboot and the app still be there, i know this personally from experience with my own phone, thats why i said this.

CONdemmedNORmal said:
Not now there has been more development no, but this was the case with the m4 to start with, you couldnt do anything to the system without it, for example deleting a system app no matter what you done to delete it would just cause the phone to instantly reboot and the app still be there, i know this personally from experience with my own phone, thats why i said this.
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Regardless, you're still not talking about the right thing. That has nothing to do with being S-ON/S-OFF. That's system write protection which is totally different.

CNexus said:
Regardless, you're still not talking about the right thing. That has nothing to do with being S-ON/S-OFF. That's system write protection which is totally different.
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yes i know its different things BUT you couldnt write or delete from the system properly without s-off when development for the m4 FIRST started look through a few other threads you'll see what im saying is true so stop going on about something you obviously havent looked into properly, just because thats not the case now or not the case for other phones DOESNT mean it wasnt before, like i said i know from personal experience, that comment was posted months ago trying to give someone else info and is now irrelevant so whats the point in even bringing it back up now?????
Edit: unless your just trying to be picky because i didnt word it to your satisfaction so ill rewrite it here for you......
to update superuser/superSU, delete system apps or do anything to modify the system s-off was required to achieve this otherwise the system would just reboot and the changes that was attempted to be made wouldnt be accepted by the system.
happy??

CONdemmedNORmal said:
yes i know its different things BUT you couldnt write or delete from the system properly without s-off when development for the m4 FIRST started look through a few other threads you'll see what im saying is true so stop going on about something you obviously havent looked into properly, just because thats not the case now or not the case for other phones DOESNT mean it wasnt before, like i said i know from personal experience, that comment was posted months ago trying to give someone else info and is now irrelevant so whats the point in even bringing it back up now?????
Edit: unless your just trying to be picky because i didnt word it to your satisfaction so ill rewrite it here for you......
to update superuser/superSU, delete system apps or do anything to modify the system s-off was required to achieve this otherwise the system would just reboot and the changes that was attempted to be made wouldnt be accepted by the system.
happy??
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Obviously yesterday was "months ago"
And I've looked into this to know what I'm talking about. System write protection is in the kernel and has absolutely nothing to do with S-OFF, no matter the device and the M4 is/was no different.

CNexus said:
Obviously yesterday was "months ago"
And I've looked into this to know what I'm talking about. System write protection is in the kernel and has absolutely nothing to do with S-OFF, no matter the device and the M4 is/was no different.
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so me and everyone else that couldn't do anything to do with system writing, no matter what kernel without s'ing-off are liers??
and by months ago i mean the comment of mine you first commented on
Edit: besides i never said s-off and s-w-p was the same thing, i mearly said that at the time s-off was required for the ability to have the ability of writing to the system as at the time there wasnt any custom kernels which could achieve this, well stock kernels anyways due to lack of the release of the source code, but i cant be bothered to respond to you anymore all its doing is spamming the thread needlessly, i know what im on about due to like i said dealing with it myself.

Ergo Proxy said:
I'm on hboot 2.21, stock odex stock rom 4.4.2 rooted but for some reason, renove or rumrunner doesn't work for me. Rumrunner gets stuck on 8 out of 40 or something after rebooting. Renove gives me -1 or -2 error and doesn't s-off, can anyone tell me what's wrong? I've followed the instructions perfectly, even flashed the recommended rom..
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I'd try firewaters universal s-off tool. If this or any other s-off tool isn't working.
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xXminiWHOOPERxX said:
I'd try firewaters universal s-off tool. If this or any other s-off tool isn't working.
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Tried, rumrunner,revone, firewater nothing. Does moonshine work?
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