I emailed HTC's open source department about kernel source and this is the email I gotHTC
to me
Dear Dustin Stoker,
Hey, Dustin, thanks for contacting us about the kernal source for the One XL. In regards to this, getting that phones source code is something we are working on getting up. I know this is something that is being worked on and we don't just want to put up flawed software for the development community to use. So we want it to be as close to perfect and include the patches to previous problems we've run into as well. So, that is why that we don't really have an ETA at this point. I thank you for your patience with us in this and I hope you have a great day!
Hope it comes soon.
same typical
automated email response
Ya I figured that was the case hope it comes soon they gotta comply with linux open source laws if they released it the talented devs on hear could probably fix it before them lol
xstokerx said:
Ya I figured that was the case hope it comes soon they gotta comply with linux open source laws if they released it the talented devs on hear could probably fix it before them lol
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soon as in month and month and month from now
CheesyNutz said:
soon as in month and month and month from now
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Yep usually how it is
xstokerx said:
I emailed HTC's open source department about kernel source and this is the email I gotHTC
to me
Dear Dustin Stoker,
Hey, Dustin, thanks for contacting us about the kernal source for the One XL. In regards to this, getting that phones source code is something we are working on getting up. I know this is something that is being worked on and we don't just want to put up flawed software for the development community to use. So we want it to be as close to perfect and include the patches to previous problems we've run into as well. So, that is why that we don't really have an ETA at this point. I thank you for your patience with us in this and I hope you have a great day!
Hope it comes soon.
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Um, if this is an official response from HTC, they have horrible spelling, grammar and sentence formation.
It also seems highly unlikely that a paid developer spelled "kernel" wrong.
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
Here's HTC's standard response:
Dear $YOUR_NAME
Thank you for contacting HTC regarding Kernel Source code. I know that this code is important to the development community and I will be happy to assist you with the correct information regarding this.
HTC is committed to assisting customers in getting kernel source code for HTC devices. We will release source code in accordance with any applicable open source license terms. We are working to release appropriate kernel code bases as soon as possible after device launch but we cannot guarantee the exact time frame. Other source codes, which are not required to be disclosed by the open source license terms, unfortunately cannot be disclosed by HTC as they may be proprietary to HTC or its licensor.
Please keep an eye on http://developer.htc.com for more information. I hope you enjoy the rest of your week, $YOUR_NAME.
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Better get crackin'
Google has just released AOSP 2.2!!!!
http://developer.android.com/index.html
BenjRubenstein said:
Better get crackin'
Google has just released AOSP 2.2!!!!
http://developer.android.com/index.html
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YESSSSS!!!!!!!
Wrong board.
Ha ha. Wrong board but I was waiting to see this here anyway. For the record, I'm cloning the source to my dev server as we speak
Edit: Looks like the drop isn't completed yet as my cloning has stalled lol
Now if Google could somehow force HTC to give us source then we would-be in heaven right now
bcnice20 said:
Now if Google could somehow force HTC to give us source then we would-be in heaven right now
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yeah, the camera is going to need source to get it fully functional. At least 4g shouldn't be a problem now since wimax is built into source.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=708954
FAIL !! sir
Hi all,
Please let us know what you think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-q5CEfiyQk&feature=youtu.be
Thanks!
SamsungJohn
Twitter:SamsungJohn
How about release some source or at the very least something that will help devs speed things up with ice cream? We paid for the phone, we want everything we can get.
+1
very interesting...
sign me up Scotty
Somewhat interesting, I have registered on the new Developer site, however it seems to be geared more towards app developers, with little of use to those doing platform work (AOSP bringups including Cyanogenmod porting, kernel development, etc.)
There are no IC datasheets, and no source code for test firmwares such as UCKL2 for the Infuse (SGH-I997).
Stickied for the time being
Thanks for the news. I will check it out to see if it is a good choice for beginning devs. It might also be interesting for me to learn more specifically regarding my Samsung phone.
does it mean,
some people develop ROM or app together?
make money?
you don't make ROM for money, if you do, you don't belong in XDA
AllGamer said:
you don't make ROM for money, if you do, you don't belong in XDA
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Well said!
AllGamer said:
you don't make ROM for money, if you do, you don't belong in XDA
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True. But it is a chance to get know and apreciated. And that could lead to money!!!
Entropy512 said:
Somewhat interesting, I have registered on the new Developer site, however it seems to be geared more towards app developers, with little of use to those doing platform work (AOSP bringups including Cyanogenmod porting, kernel development, etc.)
There are no IC datasheets, and no source code for test firmwares such as UCKL2 for the Infuse (SGH-I997).
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you don't make ROM for money, if you do, you don't belong in XDA
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Very well said! It seem like Samsung have just discovered all the free work force to produce code that is much better than their own. Now they wanna tap into this, without giving anything of value in return.
How about dropping some spec-sheets on the HW level and some source code to their drivers, instead!?
Damnit, i'll have to learn some programming now! To the Batmobile!
+1 for "spec-sheets on the HW level and some source code to their drivers"
..especially for devices like Galaxy 3 (i5800/i5801), which (apparently), you are not going to update now on.
Sounds Cool
sounds pretty interesting, ill check out the youtube video.
Thanks for the news.
Would be nice if the video talked specifically about developing ROMs, especially AOSP-based...
useful info
merge samsung and htc rom?
hi i somewhat enjoy my samsung charge except for the predictive txt sucks i want exactly how the htc has theirs can anyone give me some info on merging these things i want to build or tweak a rom for the charge also currently downloading all the sdk stuff about to run over to samsung dev site and see if i can get into that also.
Great
great stuff, keep up the good work!
Seems like a great initiative from Samsung
Here is what LG replied when i asked politely for helping out the devs by providing source code and drivers.
" Thank you for contacting LG Electronics. I will gladly assist you.
I apologize for any inconvenience you may have experienced.
At the moment, no official upgrade of software for Android 4.0 nor the source codes or drivers have been made available for this device.
I know most blog sites I myself follow speak of the manufacturer being the party with all the answers, but in actuality, it's related to all three companies involved to be in one accord.
Once all parties involved complete the pertinent reviews and evaluations, they will decide and make known their decision to release such update for your device along with drivers and source codes.
I hope this information is helpful, please do not hesitate to contact us back if you have any other inquiry. I will gladly assist you. Please enjoy the rest of the day and I wish you the best!"
Sent from my G2X
LGs crappy devs probably don't have ICS working either
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
Thats what im thinking. But then again the manufacturer can only do so much. NVIDIA needs to release the harmony drivers for our tegra 2.
Sent from my G2X
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LGs crappy devs probably don't have ICS working either
Sent from my LG-P999 using xda premium
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We're much closer than you think though, over in the O2x thread they just got sound working and are working hard to get everything else working. Once they get it, all we do is port it to the G2x (wouldn't hurt to go help their dev team though)
Hi guys,
I recently complained to htcdev about the kernel source not being released and I threatened legal action as they are in violation of GPL. Here is what they came back with:
Dear Rohan Mathur,
Thank you for contacting HTC. I will gladly assist you with your request for the kernel source code for your HTC One X.
New source codes are typically posted to the HTC developer site within 90-120 days after a new device is released or after an update is released for the phone. In most cases it will not take this long for the source code to be made available Rohan. The kernel source code for teh One X will be posted as soon as we have it ready for the developer community.
Please check back from time to time on the developer site for the One X source code. HTC does their best to make the kernel source code available as soon as possible for all HTC devotees and android enthusiasts. For more information and other developer resources, be sure to check other areas of our developer site from http://www.htcdev.com/ .
I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause Rohan, and I hope that this will not detract from your overall use and enjoyment of the One X until the kernel source code is made available. Thank you for your patience and understanding in this matter.
If you have other questions for me Rohan, please don't hesitate to reply. We are open from 6am to 1am eastern time, 7 days a week. Please include your serial number or IMEI from menu> settings> about> phone identity> with all support requests.
Take care Rohan, and have a great weekend!
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I'm kind of suprised that an actual human responded to me and didn't just send me the generic answer (notice the typo of "teh" instead of "the")
Anyway, this leads me to believe that it will be soon. 30 days of those 90-120 are almost done, so lets hope that it comes soon!
rohan32 said:
Hi guys,
I recently complained to htcdev about the kernel source not being released and I threatened legal action as they are in violation of GPL. Here is what they came back with:
I'm kind of suprised that an actual human responded to me and didn't just send me the generic answer (notice the typo of "teh" instead of "the")
Anyway, this leads me to believe that it will be soon. 30 days of those 90-120 are almost done, so lets hope that it comes soon!
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I hate to break it to you, but I saw this same response posted a few weeks ago. We've gotta be getting closer though!
Billy
Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2
I'm sure AT&T is making them hold out until the last minute legally possible.
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I'm sure AT&T is making them hold out until the last minute legally possible.
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I don't understand why AT&T would do that. What's in it for them to make then wait? Eventually it will be released. I mean I just can't understand who the are trying to screw but not releasing it. It can't be developers because they wouldn't want to lose sales. I'm sure they don't care who buys the phone, developer or not.
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
So, once the kernel source is released do we know if we'll have franciscofranco and faux123 kernels for the ATT One X just like over on the international One X side?
dont give them your sn and imei lol...
i say...we gonna get another month of two..
please disregard
HTC is holding out as long as possible so Apple can't get their hands on it till the last second.
Does the us htc one x run on the gingerbread kernel like the international one?
bmbrad said:
Does the us htc one x run on the gingerbread kernel like the international one?
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No, it runs the ICS kernel, version 3.0.8.
Tikerz said:
So, once the kernel source is released do we know if we'll have franciscofranco and faux123 kernels for the ATT One X just like over on the international One X side?
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If the developers want to port their kernels over, sure
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
Folks,
for those who may or may not know, my name is sooti, i've been a dev here building Android since 2012. I've build roms for galaxy s1, s2, s5, LG G3, Nexus 10 and more. In all of the device communities I've worked in, the majority of devs were nice, caring and were open to sharing the knowledge and helping out if needed, and I was always willing to do the same and have on many occasions. I have never hidden my work and have always immediately committed my solutions to github to help others develop faster and help the community grow, but since I got my Xiaomi A1 I've met a whole new brand of developers, who only care about getting credit and glory, have no interest in helping their fellow devs and even if and when they do, they force them to keep the code to themselves as well.
I will not name any names, but I think you can guess who, I am part of a team of devs, TEAM OREO, who have been working on our own to bring a fully working dt to the public and keep it open source, while another group has a fully working open source and is insisting on keeping the device tree to themselves. and while this doesn't violate Android rules per say, it violates the very spirit of AOSP and of XDA more then anything. We may understand companies like Xiaomi, Samsung, LG etc not sharing the rest of their source code due to monetary concerns but here at xda none of us are getting paid for our time, we are all working together to bring great projects to life for free for all to enjoy and modify and build new roms.
It really saddens me to see this and hope this is limited to this device only, although I suspect there may be some other XIaomi devices with the same bad devs.
My team and I will continue to work hard to bring you great roms and 100% open source so that you to can contribute and help this community grow.
We are currently looking for devs to help us get Camera working, which is the only thing missing, please contact me via PM and we will add you to our telegram group.
I hope to see better things in the future,
viva open source!
Sooti,
XDA developer and android enthusiast
We are also looking for testers. If you are interested, please ping me on Telegram. Make sure you know basic stuffs like taking logcat n all ?.
Regards,
#TEAMOREO
Thanks for all the work you have done for the community. I'm proud of the work TEAM OREO is bringing for the Mi A1 community and as a contributor to open source myself, I wish every other developer for the device would follow suit. I know this is just the beginning of the development phase of the device but I'm sure that other developers that will work on the phone will probably see your post and agree wholeheartedly. As a community, we must work together. There's no doubt that some people want all the praise and thanks from everyone. That's not how open source works. We aim to provide enhancements to our devices that the manufacturers are not able to give. And helping provide open trees for all is key.
I'm not giving up on the community. But I really want it to flourish. Thanks for all of your help in making this device one of the best I've ever owned.
Sent from my Xiaomi Mi A1 using XDA Labs
It's the same story, again and again...
It's like the www. Today is only money.
It's like the way the world is going.
Well it's not the first time i have seen this private stuff nature.... i had it in my old device ...
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk
Yes I agree truly
TeamOreo will sure make bugless ROM soon
I have never seen such developers in my life who worked at late night to fix bugs @sooti @kunalshah @pranavbedre these guys worked very hard to bring initial Oreo
Hope this team gonna rock one day
Keep going and let's hope there's a valid reason behind for not releasing DT as of now.Looking forward for more ROMs TeamOreo!
@sooti
You and team oreo are here, so it's not so bad!
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Point made, but this thread has only one direction of travel on it and its not a good one.
Thread re-opened at OP request.
However, i have cleaned the thread and if this thread goes the way i expect i will close it for good.
Greg
You guys have no rights to ask for the source when you won't contribute anything to the source. All you guys are going to do is use it for other ROMs which will end up having the same bugs as the current LOS builds. So here's my two cents, wait till everything is stable, SELinux enforcing and then the source will be available to the public as Abhishek has said.
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You guys have no rights to ask for the source when you won't contribute anything to the source. All you guys are going to do is use it for other ROMs which will end up having the same bugs as the current LOS builds. So here's my two cents, wait till everything is stable, SELinux enforcing and then the source will be available to the public as Abhishek has said.
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Give them some respect dude...they aren't some amateurs trying to copy form some elses work they have already published their tree and where is tree of los15.1 ?
All other roms have their trees published which helps other developers to fix the bugs and help the rom become stable.but if every one wants to keep the glory and credit for themselves the community will get worser and worser
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Give them some respect dude...they aren't some amateurs trying to copy form some elses work they have already published their tree and where is tree of los15.1 ?
All other roms have their trees published which helps other developers to fix the bugs and help the rom become stable.but if every one wants to keep the glory and credit for themselves the community will get worser and worser
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This.
And if someones device tree isnt ready, why post the rom at all? And your welcome to look at my xda profile, if you think I haven't contributed... Your dead wring my friend
Sorry if my words have hurt you in anyway. I just don't want this community to end .
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Sorry if my words have hurt you in anyway. I just don't want this community to end .
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Your ok, I was actually talking to the guys before you
I came over from the axon 7 forums about a week ago. i have been on the boards and dealing with android since the days of the logitech review {honeycomb i believe}. my take on the maturity here contravenes the gungho nature I have generally observed on this message board. it reminds me of what I imagine a 50 cent water army would act like when not in the office. i normally just sit in the back and observe read and learn as I go but since this is turning into group conflict it is my place to speak up. Sooti, guys I am with you in seeing the same sad state of affaira. this is definately not how civilization is built. but worse case scenario if spoilers at the table opt for self-interest over interest of the community, thereby causing entropy and disintigration, you will be able to find me over on the cyrillic android board with base in .ru they have good comraderie generally and thats across device forums as far as I can observe.
Thanks for bringing that up front straight. I came over as a user from Galaxy S devices in the hope that the MI A1 would flourish on a free and open (source) community spirit. Unfortunately things are even worse here. I don't have the time to contribute as a developer but I'd like you guys to know that I'm very thankful for your team's openess and your effort to bring true open source to this device and not let personal intrests and politics get in the way.
sooti said:
Folks,
for those who may or may not know, my name is sooti, i've been a dev here building Android since 2012. I've build roms for galaxy s1, s2, s5, LG G3, Nexus 10 and more. In all of the device communities I've worked in, the majority of devs were nice, caring and were open to sharing the knowledge and helping out if needed, and I was always willing to do the same and have on many occasions. I have never hidden my work and have always immediately committed my solutions to github to help others develop faster and help the community grow, but since I got my Xiaomi A1 I've met a whole new brand of developers, who only care about getting credit and glory, have no interest in helping their fellow devs and even if and when they do, they force them to keep the code to themselves as well.
I will not name any names, but I think you can guess who, I am part of a team of devs, TEAM OREO, who have been working on our own to bring a fully working dt to the public and keep it open source, while another group has a fully working open source and is insisting on keeping the device tree to themselves. and while this doesn't violate Android rules per say, it violates the very spirit of AOSP and of XDA more then anything. We may understand companies like Xiaomi, Samsung, LG etc not sharing the rest of their source code due to monetary concerns but here at xda none of us are getting paid for our time, we are all working together to bring great projects to life for free for all to enjoy and modify and build new roms.
It really saddens me to see this and hope this is limited to this device only, although I suspect there may be some other XIaomi devices with the same bad devs.
My team and I will continue to work hard to bring you great roms and 100% open source so that you to can contribute and help this community grow.
We are currently looking for devs to help us get Camera working, which is the only thing missing, please contact me via PM and we will add you to our telegram group.
I hope to see better things in the future,
viva open source!
Sooti,
XDA developer and android enthusiast
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Reply by dev..for this matter
Hey I've known @abhishek987 from Redmi Note 3 forums and he's contributed greatly to LOS for the device and developed one of the most stable ROM(Ressurection Remix) on RN3.
So give him some time, like said earlier he's holding it until the bugs are ironed out. So many ROM threads already created with the same bugs, what's the point.
He's working hard on our device and not asking for any money. Give him space
iG0tB0lts said:
Hey I've known @abhishek987 from Redmi Note 3 forums and he's contributed greatly to LOS for the device and developed one of the most stable ROM(Ressurection Remix) on RN3.
So give him some time, like said earlier he's holding it until the bugs are ironed out. So many ROM threads already created with the same bugs, what's the point.
He's working hard on our device and not asking for any money. Give him space
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And not letting the other devs to work in the tree? So two groups doing the same job twice? Do you find any logic in it?
akrai said:
And not letting the other devs to work in the tree? So two groups doing the same job twice? Do you find any logic in it?
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True. I thought the same just after posting. Well anyway, lets hope for good