Hello, I want to get a new tablet (currently using and android'ed Touchpad still), and HD resolution is important to me. I've been keeping an eye on the TF700 and now have a chance to grab one for about $345 new. But I know some newer HD tablets were announced at CES and are on the horizon for some time (but I don't think pricing has been announced). At this point should I just hold off to see what is coming, or at that price am I safe to grab the TF700 and be happy for a while to come.
My primary uses will be reading Comics, web browsing, and 720p videos/movies.
Thanks to any help!
6 months ago I would have said buy but today I would wait. The lag issue is a pia (at least if you stick with stock rom) and there are some new hd tablets comming out in the next 3-6 months. The only thing i don't know is if they will have sd slots (which is a must for me but appears to be a nono to google).
mattbooty said:
Hello, I want to get a new tablet (currently using and android'ed Touchpad still), and HD resolution is important to me. I've been keeping an eye on the TF700 and now have a chance to grab one for about $345 new. But I know some newer HD tablets were announced at CES and are on the horizon for some time (but I don't think pricing has been announced). At this point should I just hold off to see what is coming, or at that price am I safe to grab the TF700 and be happy for a while to come.
My primary uses will be reading Comics, web browsing, and 720p videos/movies.
Thanks to any help!
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6 months ago I would have said buy but today I would wait. The lag issue is a pia (at least if you stick with stock rom) and there are some new hd tablets comming out in the next 3-6 months. The only thing i don't know is if they will have sd slots (which is a must for me but appears to be a nono to google).
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Thank you for response, I have no issue modding to a different rom, I've done it on other tablets / phones before (heck I'm using a touchpad modded from webOS to android now anyways). But if modding it doesn't help much then that is a concern.
My other concern was the newer tablets will be priced again in the 400-500 range, or the lower priced HD tablets will have specs worse than the transformer already has.
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Thank you for response, I have no issue modding to a different rom, I've done it on other tablets / phones before (heck I'm using a touchpad modded from webOS to android now anyways). But if modding it doesn't help much then that is a concern.
My other concern was the newer tablets will be priced again in the 400-500 range, or the lower priced HD tablets will have specs worse than the transformer already has.
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My honest opinion, it's very hard to find a FULLY LOADED TABLET like tf700 with the highest resolution screen. If you willing to unlock to use custom rom. I would say YES 100%.
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My honest opinion, it's very hard to find a FULLY LOADED TABLET like tf700 with the highest resolution screen. If you willing to unlock to use custom rom. I would say YES 100%.
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Thanks for your opinion. I pulled the trigger. Worse case if I'm really unhappy I will return it before I unlock it.
Thanks for advice!!!!
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Thanks for your opinion. I pulled the trigger. Worse case if I'm really unhappy I will return it before I unlock it.
Thanks for advice!!!!
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smart decision!!! bravo!
I bought mine on ebay for 350$ used, well worth it, beautiful screen and nice speed, glad you bought it, 345$ new is nuts, is that a ebay deal or?
Well today there are two alternatives; the acer and nexus 10. The acer is not a bad tablet but it runs a bit warmer and I think it has shorter battery life ( you should check reviews; it's been a while since i've read them). The nexus 10 biggest con is no sd slot but the recent mobiltech - http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tablets/Google-Nexus-10.htm - was over the top positive if you don't need an that sd slot.
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I'm not unhappy I have the tf700 but the lag thing is a major headache when updating or browsing a lot of web pages and given the price point of the tablet it is a bit downer.
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Anyways I'll probably stick with it another year and then pick up a 13inch ultra-book (sub 3lb) with 1080p screen.
Yeah I agree be wise to wait. The new Sony, Samsung, Visio etc.. coming out.
I think you should wait ! I own the tf700 and I'm not pleased with it mostly because of the lag and random reboots. Sony announced an HD tablet that seems to be a good one. Anyway you should wait until MWC in Barcelona at the end of next month before you make up your mind.
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I think you should wait ! I own the tf700 and I'm not pleased with it mostly because of the lag and random reboots. Sony announced an HD tablet that seems to be a good one. Anyway you should wait until MWC in Barcelona at the end of next month before you make up your mind.
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But Sony announces great things and releases them 6 months after everyone else. That's why their phone sales are in the toilet. They just came out with a new one, nice phone, but it is about the same as a one x, which came out about 9 months ago. I will also admit the lag issue, but still the best one out there, the screen is amazing.
Arguments for the TF700:
- Screen! 1920*1200.
- Screen. 700 nits brightness and great contrast. Almost twice as bright as an iPad 3.
- Keyboard dock. With additional battery and USB.
- microSD card slot, and full size SD card slot in the dock.
- It looks great.
Arguments against the TF700:
- Lag. Slow internal eMMC. (can be worked around with custom ROMs, but not fully solved.)
- Unlocking to install custom ROMs voids your warranty!
- Unlocking is a lottery, and you still can't replace the bootloader on an unlocked device. (the unlocking tool simply does not work for some people and they get no help from Asus.)
- Somewhat unstable, occasional random reboots, hangs with white screen.
- Build quality issues - people report the docking mechanism breaking, light bleed, screen getting loose.
- Only 1 GB RAM and old (for 2013) Tegra 3 SoC.
- Some software that works on other tablets is not available for the TF700.
- Loudspeaker isn't great.
Some folks are replying without seeming to have read the other comments beyond the first. The OP has already made a move on the TF700T.
For the OP's needs "reading Comics, web browsing, and 720p videos/movie", the TF700T is more than suitable.
No doubt the N10 has higher performance, but at the cost of far worse battery life. And you don't really need an N10 for "reading Comics, web browsing, and 720p videos/movie". I guess you don't "need" a TF700T for that either. Lower ranking devices could fit that bill just fine.
But considering the OP has purchased aTF700T, I think they'll enjoy it.
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Some folks are replying without seeming to have read the other comments beyond the first. The OP has already made a move on the TF700T.
For the OP's needs "reading Comics, web browsing, and 720p videos/movie", the TF700T is more than suitable.
No doubt the N10 has higher performance, but at the cost of far worse battery life. And you don't really need an N10 for "reading Comics, web browsing, and 720p videos/movie". I guess you don't "need" a TF700T for that either. Lower ranking devices could fit that bill just fine.
But considering the OP has purchased aTF700T, I think they'll enjoy it.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk HD
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Exactly, the N10 is nice and all, but I couldn't live without my MicroSD card, the OP will enjoy it a lot, the 1080p screen look brilliant with movies and text, and you can store tons of movies on a microsd
I just got my Infinity 64GB about 2 weeks ago. I'm pretty pleased with it so far. I have noticed a bit of lag on the web, but it's not horrible. I'm sure a fix will eventually come out for it. I don't see it staying that way forever. I'd probably like to eventually root it, but I get totally confused when reading the instructions on how to. I've only rooted my HTC Thunderbolt and that was a pretty in depth task.
I have noticed the little black line thing here and there but it's not too bad either. I figure a fix will come out for that as well.
I will say with 64GB I was able to load 13 High Quality (about 3 - 6gb each) movies on this thing and it works great! Think I might try knocking the quality down of the movie to a smaller file size so I can load a lot more on here. Just haven't found a ripper/compressor that I like that can create ripped movies without a lot of artifacting...
I'd say the most bothersome thing I've noticed with this tablet is the Light Bleed... however it's only noticed during a completely black screen. It's always got the factory warranty, plus I purchased a 3 year Square Trade warranty along with it so I'm good until 2016 with this bad boy.
This is a pretty interesting tablet coming out...
http://www.androidcentral.com/sony-announces-quad-core-10-inch-tablet-z
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mattbooty said:
and now have a chance to grab one for about $345 new.
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I'm always on the look out for my GF, she's in the market for a tablet. Where'd you find your deal?
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Do it if you are comfortable unlocking, flashing trwp, and installing Clean ROM. After doing so my tab is smoother than ipad4 at my work. New tablets may be coming out but i doubt they have a comprehensive KB dock as good as this one. Screen is better than retina display and other HD tableys bc of IPS+, screen brightness is as important as res due to glare issues, IPS+ is great for combatting this, and i have yet to see another device with super IPS+. The screen goes to 600 nits of brightness rather than 300-350, which is the highest ive ever seen in any tablet or laptop. The range of brightness settings is also badass, you can go to incresibly low to incredibly high, which is great but often unmentioned.
I have actually replaced my laptop and desktop with tf700. Since buying and flashing CROMI i have never touched my laptop/desktop. My workflow is better on this bc of gesture/KB dock combination. I couldnt be happier.
Plus the tf700 is a sexy fckin beast, nothing else out there looks as badass. The mfctring quality is sick. I have dropped mine from around 5 ft off the ground onto concrete on pretty much every edge of this device and it is still working as well as when i bought it. Slid off my kitchen table onto tile floor directly onto the creen and slid about 5 feet, yet the screen doesnt have a single scratch. GO TF700 lol.
If you don't need the keyboard dock. Then jump on the Nexus 10. But if you are planning to use the tf700 and rooting with a flashing rom. Pull the trigger. Tf700 rooted is a beast of a tablet. And just provides so much functionality with the dock. I mean extra battery, sd slots, usb slots. The full package.
Its never to late to RETURN IT! And you will find there are now some that have unlocked it had to send it back and Asus will not fix it even though it was a hard ware problem. I had just bought one a week ago. Would not even turn on. Just look at all the new stuff coming out some in just weeks others a few months. Better to wait. I am
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I've had a quick look and found nothing so..
Im purchasing a tab on monday and my choices are the xoom or the a500. From what I can see is they both have the same specs.
But what should I go for?
the acer comes out on monday? i'd go to best buy or wherever and play with both of them side by side and make my decision.
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Well, I don't have a Xoom yet, and was planning on getting one probably next week or the week after (WiFi only) but... wow, looks like the Acer Iconia is a serious challenger. Almost $150 less (or about $100 if you find a decent deal at certain places) and the only thing that looks to be of 'lesser' spec is the internal memory at 16GB. However, the SD card slot works out of the box, and I have a 16GB MicroSD card just waiting!
I think I'm gonna have to wait until the Iconia gets out and maybe get one of those instead of the Xoom.
Also looks like the Iconia has the ports on the side (which I like) while still having a dock connector on the bottom. Also has a host USB port next to the micro USB port on the side. Also has the power/sleep button on the side instead of the back (one thing I'm kinda iffy about on the Xoom).
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A CHALLENGER APPEARS.
Well, I don't have a Xoom yet, and was planning on getting one probably next week or the week after (WiFi only) but... wow, looks like the Acer Iconia is a serious challenger. Almost $150 less (or about $100 if you find a decent deal at certain places) and the only thing that looks to be of 'lesser' spec is the internal memory at 16GB. However, the SD card slot works out of the box, and I have a 16GB MicroSD card just waiting!
I think I'm gonna have to wait until the Iconia gets out and maybe get one of those instead of the Xoom.
Also looks like the Iconia has the ports on the side (which I like) while still having a dock connector on the bottom. Also has a host USB port next to the micro USB port on the side. Also has the power/sleep button on the side instead of the back (one thing I'm kinda iffy about on the Xoom).
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Im picking the Iconia up next week, getting rid of my Dell Streak 7
In the UK the Iconia is £30 cheaper for the same 32GB spec. Well and the Iconia has a USB host port as well which is worth a lot extra.
I played on both in Currys and even though I really liked the Xoom I couldn't justify the extra price and wanted the full USB.
My biggwst problem with the acer tablet is that its from acer. When I think of quality technology acer is not the brand that comes in mind. All the features sound good, but will it really work and for how long?
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Iconia and wifi dual band?
... for video i love to have 5GHz Wifi, read in the transformer thread the xoom has dual band (2,4 & 5 GHz). What's about the iconia?
From the manual:
Connectivity
•Bluetooth 2.1+EDR & A2DP support
•Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n WLAN (802.11n 2.4GHz only)
•GPS
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My biggwst problem with the acer tablet is that its from acer. When I think of quality technology acer is not the brand that comes in mind. All the features sound good, but will it really work and for how long?
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Note the $150 price difference. I'm not sure this is due to quality, but I'll have my Iconia tablet on Monday or Tuesday. I did get hands-on a Xoom today at Best Buy. It's a very solid piece of kit.
I definitely wanted the host USB port, and I like the location of the jacks and buttons better. The power/sleep button on the back of the Xoom? What were you thinking, Moto??
Crimton said:
the acer comes out on monday? i'd go to best buy or wherever and play with both of them side by side and make my decision.
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Hey, I recognize the name from the Archos 101 forums...
Doing side by side would be a good idea. Screen and build quality would be the things I would try to focus on, since most of the stuff 'under the hood' is the same, save the Iconia's 16GB storage.
Then consider the $150 price difference and decide whether the Xoom is worth it.
With the WiFi only iPad selling for $499 now, I think Moto's gonna have to drop the price to stay competitive.
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Doing side by side would be a good idea. Screen and build quality would be the things I would try to focus on, since most of the stuff 'under the hood' is the same, save the Iconia's 16GB storage.
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Apart from the differences already mentioned, I don't think the A500 has a notification/charger indicator.
Also, the only Acer A500's I've seen in the UK shops have 32GB.....
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In the end I got the Acer Inconia a500 32GB, It works perfectly. The build quailty feels solid and I did manege to look at them both next to each other. The overall size off the xoom is smaller because off the bezil. The screen quailty looked exactly the same on full britness. Nothing that I saw made me think that there was a 30 pound price difrence.
If you care the acer picks up 10 points off touch. While i've heard the xoom picks up 16. I think 10 is overkill let alone 16. But it could be a plus for the xoom. But that can be countered with a usb.
The acer is also heavery.
>The acer is also heavery.
So you can heave it farther than the Xoom? I insist on a first-hand demonstration! Vids or it didn't happen!
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>The acer is also heavery.
So you can heave it farther than the Xoom? I insist on a first-hand demonstration! Vids or it didn't happen!
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Then It didnt happen. I saw it with my very own eyes.
I now have a tablet which I Think is perfect and with a working sd card reader out off the box. I can do a recording off the Iconia when I get back in
I was mostly curious about two differences. I heard the Acer had only 5 hours of battery life as opposed to the Xooms 10. Which isn't a huge difference but those figures are usually larger than what I find with my devices. What kind of battery life are you guys seeing on your Xooms/A500s?
My other worry was I heard there was an Acer UI layed over honeycomb. I forget where I heard that but after my terrible experience waiting for Samsung to update my Captivate from 2.1 to 2.2 after 2.3 had been released for 4 months (luckily XDA came to the rescue), I was really looking forward to the stock experience the Xoom has. If the A500 is subjected to manufacture updates rather than straight from Google updates that would be a big minus in my book.
Odd that the ad above shows a 5 hour battery life... I ordered mine from Best Buy, and just checked the site, it says up to 8 hours.
We'll see.
I just got to play with the Acer and XOOM for the first time in currys an wow the XOOM jus isn't done justice in photos. It's sexy an sleek. The Acer looked bulky and kind of "old" technology in you understand me. Big bezel, nasty gray plastic colour. Kind of cheap looking.
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The battery life says 8 hours on the box. Does quite well with the battery too. When you start playing some games (especially from the tegra zone) the battery wont last anywhere near
alias_neo clearly you just looked. It has a metal feel to it and the build is solid. Feels like the xoom compaired to build quailty. I do prefer the xoom's looks though.
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I was mostly curious about two differences. I heard the Acer had only 5 hours of battery life as opposed to the Xooms 10. Which isn't a huge difference but those figures are usually larger than what I find with my devices. What kind of battery life are you guys seeing on your Xooms/A500s?
My other worry was I heard there was an Acer UI layed over honeycomb. I forget where I heard that but after my terrible experience waiting for Samsung to update my Captivate from 2.1 to 2.2 after 2.3 had been released for 4 months (luckily XDA came to the rescue), I was really looking forward to the stock experience the Xoom has. If the A500 is subjected to manufacture updates rather than straight from Google updates that would be a big minus in my book.
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My A500 lasts about 8/8.5 hours of full use (videos,music,browsing,apps etc).
There is no ACER UI, interface is stock honeycomb. There are just some acer apps which you can easily remove, or just not use them if you dont like them.
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The battery life says 8 hours on the box. Does quite well with the battery too. When you start playing some games (especially from the tegra zone) the battery wont last anywhere near
alias_neo clearly you just looked. It has a metal feel to it and the build is solid. Feels like the xoom compaired to build quailty. I do prefer the xoom's looks though.
Besides use over looks. I like the usb and the working sd out off the box, and with all the issues all the wifi xooms seem to be having on here. I think I made the right choice.
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You are correct, I just looked at the Acer. Had no interest in touching it, although I did have a quick flick around on the screen since the tablet itself was in a holder.
Still looks overall quite ugly, but the screen was certainly brighter than the XOOM.
I won't buy Acer hardware though, they tend to bite off more than they can chew and their hardware commits suicide. Seen it time and time again.
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Hey guys, I need a little help here,
First off im from Singapore and I first settled on Transformer Prime as the tablet i was gonna buy. I dont know whether the prime is releasing in December for singapore or if they are gonna push it till 2012 Jan. i just wanted to ask if the 100 (est.) bucks extra is worth the advantages and the wait?
What Im gonna use my new tablet for
Entertainment and Productivity substitute for my laptop on the go: Music, Movies, Ebooks, Taking Notes in School (im a student), Internet surfing, mild gaming, Video Conferencing (seldom), taking photos (seldom)
Pricing Details in SGD
Transformer TF101 (with dock) : $699 (may be able to bag a few extra goodies thanks to the upcoming IT Fair)
Transformer Prime (with dock) : estimated $810 - $830
(I'm planning to get the dock also because the keyboard and extended battery life would really come in handy. Was also one of the reasons i chose the transformer over others)
Advantages as far as I can see with the Prime vs TF101
Quad Core vs Dual Core
Aethetics (thinner, more good looking etc) (not a MAJOR issue but it would be nice to have a better looking tablet)
16GB vs 32 GB on board memory (not really an issue cause I have a 32gb microSD which is more than enough memory, worst come to worst just use the SD card slot in the dock for extra memory)
8MP vs 5 MP camera
other than these, are there any more significant differences between choosing Tegra 3 vs Tegra 2, ive read that the overall performance is slightly faster on the tegra 3 but is it worth the wait and the 100 odd bucks?
Thanks! Really Appreciate any help you can give me =)
for what your using it for you could go either way
prime will have better battery life be more future proofed and have more grunt if you can afford it do it
if not tf101 is still a great tab in my opinion
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EVERYTHING is better on the prime, you should wait,
Don't forget the Screen, the sound, everything !
If I were in you I would wait for the release of Prime and go buying the TF101..cause maybe then you will find some offers to buy the first version of the transformer..
Prime will have some bugs when comes out and maybe you have to wait for someone to find a method to root it..
now TF101 is rootable for all versions (also SBKv2) thanks to the RazorClaw method and has already a great active community..
Prime will be lighter and more powerful..but I think TF is just good enough to do what you want to do..
For crying out loud, wait! Wait! Even if it was 3 months out i'd wait.
As stated above, i would wait for 2 reasons... Wait for any possible defects to be identified and addressed first. Then wait for it to be rooted and even wait for a custom rom to be developed for it.
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As stated above, i would wait for 2 reasons... Wait for any possible defects to be identified and addressed first. Then wait for it to be rooted and even wait for a custom rom to be developed for it.
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And by then, Samsung or somebody will have a tab in the works, and then you'll have to wonder if you should buy THAT when it comes out. . . .
As the vast majority of tablet use (mine anyway) is way below the threshold of the device, spending so much money is just crazy just so I'll be on the bleeding edge. To me, $810 is ridiculous.
Buy a TF101 and donate $400 to charity.
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And by then, Samsung or somebody will have a tab in the works, and then you'll have to wonder if you should buy THAT when it comes out. . . .
As the vast majority of tablet use (mine anyway) is way below the threshold of the device, spending so much money is just crazy just so I'll be on the bleeding edge. To me, $810 is ridiculous.
Buy a TF101 and donate $400 to charity.
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That's your prerogative if you want to fall victim to buying everything new thing that comes out. They love people like you. It all depends on what you are looking for...being on the absolute bleeding edge, you come to accept that you may have defects and that your device may not be able to be rooted yet. For me, its a comfortable medium between bleeding edge and functionality. I would rather have a TF101 rev with no defects and with the ability to be rooted and rom'ed, than having a TF Prime that just hit the shelves with possible defects and no possibility of being rooted/rom'ed for a good while.
Tend to agree with a mixture of the above:
Buy what will do the jobs you want to do
The next gen after Prime is probably already being developed
Save some money if you can if the tf101 fits your needs.
Or get a preowned tf for now and then sell it on again to part fund the prime.
My wife asked me the other day what I will be able to do with the Prime that I can't do with my OG Transformer. My honest answer was: absolutely nothing. I realized that there is literally nothing* that the Prime will do out of the box day one that the TF can't do, and over time the only difference will be that the Prime will eventually run some games a little faster/better as they're optimized for Tegra 3.
However, I'll still be getting the Prime, and here's why: it's better in every single aspect of what makes a tablet enjoyable to use:
1. The Prime is faster, so there should be fewer frustrating hesitations and lags. ICS might help that on the TF, but the Prime will still provide a better experience.
2. It's thinner and lighter. I'm actually envious of my wife with her Galaxy Tab 10.1, because it's so much nicer to hold in actual use. The TF isn't _terrible_, but the GT is definitely more pleasant.
3. I can _just barely_ use the TF outside in direct sunlight, if I squint and hold it at _just_ the right angle. With almost double the brightness, the Prime should be very usable when I'm outside on the back porch getting some sun and wanting to read an ebook.
4. The anti-fingerprint coating would be welcome. I spend more than a few minutes a day just cleaning the screen on my TF.
5. The Prime should have significantly improved sound, perhaps the best that's yet shipped on a tablet. I like decent quality sound, and while not terrible, the TF is a bit of a disappointment in this area.
6. 30% better battery life would mean I'll _never_ have to worry about plugging in the Prime during my typical usage patterns. As it is, I'm sometimes lacking just about an hour with the TF and need to plug in. The Prime should mean I never have to worry about it. Of course, having 18 hours with the dock will also be incredible.
7. I don't care about the 32GB vs. 16GB storage, and would rather have a $399 Prime to choose, but I understand why ASUS is positioning things the way they are. And $499 for the 32GB Prime will still be $100 cheaper than $599 for the 32GB iPad 2.
8. I don't often take pictures using my TF, but man, those sample shots taken with the Prime sure do look nice. Hell, those are heads and shoulders better than I get from my Motorola Photon, and so who knows, maybe I'll find opportunities to use the Prime's camera.
The only thing the Prime doesn't seem to have that I wish it did is haptic feedback (I was surprised how much I like it on my wife's GT 10.1). But of course the TF doesn't have it either, so it's a wash.
I'll be willing to spend a couple hundred dollars to upgrade to the Prime (after selling my TF+dock combo) simply because the Prime is so much better. ASUS basically fixed every weakness of the TF, and kept the best thing about it--the dock. That's worth the money to me.
*As I thought about it more, I realized that because it has NEON, the Tegra 3 is better at high-def video. However, I never watch high-def video on my TF, and so _for me_ there's literally nothing.
THANK YOU EVERYONE for you replies, its given me a lot of food for thought regarding this. Being my first tablet, i want to make sure i make the right decision. Thank you so much. i value all your comments =D
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That's your prerogative if you want to fall victim to buying everything new thing that comes out. They love people like you. It all depends on what you are looking for...being on the absolute bleeding edge, you come to accept that you may have defects and that your device may not be able to be rooted yet. For me, its a comfortable medium between bleeding edge and functionality. I would rather have a TF101 rev with no defects and with the ability to be rooted and rom'ed, than having a TF Prime that just hit the shelves with possible defects and no possibility of being rooted/rom'ed for a good while.
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You have a first generation Asus tablet, so are you one of those victims that you speak of? If the prime can't be rooted right away, its not a brick. You can have plenty of use with it until it WILL be rootable. Its only a matter of time. Each to his own, but I'd rather have the slimmer, lighter, faster unit for a bit more cash. Hands down. These things are on a yearly cycle, maybe 18 months. You can't sit back too long or you will be asking these questions about the NEXT tablet, and so on...
Not exactly. I have a B60 revision of the tf, so I didn't buy it the day it hit the shelves. This rev corrected defects in the previous revs. Not to mention that when I bought my tf, it was already rootable and custom roms were already available. It is also my first and only tab to date. So no, I am not the person to go rush out and buy the latest and greatest thing. I will most likely end up buying the prime, but not the day it hits the shelves.
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>However, I'll still be getting the Prime, and here's why: it's better in every single aspect of what makes a tablet enjoyable to use:
I think the hardest thing is to be honest (objective) with oneself. Most of reasons you provided sound like rationalizing, indicated by the "better in every single aspect" hyperbole.
>1. The Prime is faster, so there should be fewer frustrating hesitations and lags. ICS might help that on the TF, but the Prime will still provide a better experience.
>...over time the only difference will be that the Prime will eventually run some games a little faster/better
You're contradicting yourself. Anyway, the lags experienced in normal use are due to the OS, as you said it yourself. The objective answer here would be to wait for ICS, than to pay another $500.
>2. It's thinner and lighter.
Thinness doesn't contribute to being more enjoyable to use. It only provides better aesthetics, which mattered only for a short while. It contributes to the lust of new toys; that's basically it.
The Prime isn't that much lighter to justify the $500 (additional) expenditure. This is rationalizing, unless of course $500 is chump change for you. But if so, you wouldn't have gone through all this soul-searching.
>3. I can _just barely_ use the TF outside in direct sunlight.
How often do you use your TF outside in direct daylight?
>4. The anti-fingerprint coating would be welcome.
A smudge-resistant screen protector would be a better solution.
>5. The Prime should have significantly improved sound, perhaps the best that's yet shipped on a tablet.
Note the "should." And the "perhaps the best" is pure hyperbole. These fall into the "wishful" category.
Ditto for the rest of your proffered reasons.
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't buy. Only you can decide that. I'm merely pointing out the futility of trying to rationalize the purchase of a new toy. Cut to the chase and keep it simple: You want it, and you can afford it. That's it.
I think obviously waiting for Transformer Prime is the best thing you ever do.
Asus Transformer TF101 have sharp edges. It hurts my hand when holding it. Also, the screen is not that sensitive. Asus promise a more sensitive screen.
And with Quadcore, longer battery life, slimmer, nicer to hold, and more future proof, waiting for Transformer Prime is no brainer. This question should not be asked in the first place.
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I'm not saying you should or shouldn't buy. Only you can decide that. I'm merely pointing out the futility of trying to rationalize the purchase of a new toy. Cut to the chase and keep it simple: You want it, and you can afford it. That's it.
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Well, you know, you certainly spent a great deal of time trying to convince me that my opinion is incorrect. So, okay, sure, whatever.
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I think obviously waiting for Transformer Prime is the best thing you ever do.
Asus Transformer TF101 have sharp edges. It hurts my hand when holding it. Also, the screen is not that sensitive. Asus promise a more sensitive screen.
And with Quadcore, longer battery life, slimmer, nicer to hold, and more future proof, waiting for Transformer Prime is no brainer. This question should not be asked in the first place.
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Yes, thanks, I forgot about the increase touch sensitivity. That's also important...
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3. I can _just barely_ use the TF outside in direct sunlight.
How often do you use your TF outside in direct daylight?
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The only part of your post that I can answer objectively: I live in Southern California. So, you figure it out.
>Well, you know, you certainly spent a great deal of time trying to convince me that my opinion is incorrect. So, okay, sure, whatever.
This is a beeswaxing thread. It's all opinions. There is no right or wrong.
The reason I replied is that you were honest with your spouse, that the Prime would impart marginal utility, but then did a complete 180 in trying to justify it to yourself. The irony of it was striking enough to elicit a response.
I well understand techno-lust. That's why we're all here. There's no justifying it, other than that's part of being a techie.
If I had the money to waste on it... I would. The thing is, everyone else has pointed out good points already, but I think the biggest thing you might want to keep in mind is whether or not you will decide to wait it out even after Prime is released.. you know? To avoid hardware/quality issues similar to people with the first transformer? For example, I got mine around July, and by then, I unboxed my transformer and it was completely usable right out of the box (with the exception of netflix). But there were people who bought it months earlier and had lots of issues and bugs, as well as hardware problems.
So... do you think you can wait long enough for it? Honestly, if you've waited this long, you might as well wait a little longer. You'd only be paying like 100 dollars more than what you'd pay for the transformer, but the expected potential is much greater. The potential might NOT be realized, but it's always nice that you could possibly play better video games and whatnot. Good luck by the way.
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If I had the money to waste on it... I would. The thing is, everyone else has pointed out good points already, but I think the biggest thing you might want to keep in mind is whether or not you will decide to wait it out even after Prime is released.. you know? To avoid hardware/quality issues similar to people with the first transformer? For example, I got mine around July, and by then, I unboxed my transformer and it was completely usable right out of the box (with the exception of netflix). But there were people who bought it months earlier and had lots of issues and bugs, as well as hardware problems.
So... do you think you can wait long enough for it? Honestly, if you've waited this long, you might as well wait a little longer. You'd only be paying like 100 dollars more than what you'd pay for the transformer, but the expected potential is much greater. The potential might NOT be realized, but it's always nice that you could possibly play better video games and whatnot. Good luck by the way.
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This Asus Transformer Prime is 2nd version of Asus Transformer. So it'll be less bug.
You can buy it at the first day launch without big issue.
The only issue might be screen bleeding and dust under the glass. That one you can check it during purchase or return it to get a new one.
>Asus Transformer TF101 have sharp edges. It hurts my hand when holding it.
So the Prime's edges are less sharp?
"Thin" isn't always good.
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After already reading a few issues about I/O performance and some build quality issues how come people are still ordering the tablet? It would actually benefit us more if we STOP spending our money on flawed, quality control issue products then buying them up. The thing is, if we all keep just buying buying and buying no matter what condition the product is in, then nothing will really be done to resolve anything that ever comes up.
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After already reading a few issues about I/O performance and some build quality issues how come people are still ordering the tablet? It would actually benefit us more if we STOP spending our money on flawed, quality control issue products then buying them up. The thing is, if we all keep just buying buying and buying no matter what condition the product is in, then nothing will really be done to resolve anything that ever comes up.
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Some people don't think that it is a big deal, or that Asus will fix it later. Some people just want to see it for themselves.
the average consumer will never care or deal with I/O lol ! as long as the thing runs angry birds 499 is a great price !
Because its well documented to be a software issue on the Prime. There are temporary workarounds that appear to be good enough while we wait for Asus to fix the issue, and pretty soon we'll have custom roms which on the prime completely solved the IO issue.
Besides, name any other high res 10" Android tablet made by a company that's well known for good dev support on XDA. Yeah, not finding any, are you?
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Besides, name any other high res 10" Android tablet made by a company that's well known for good dev support on XDA. Yeah, not finding any, are you?
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Well I can think of one, but it is certainly to hot to handle.
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Well I can think of one, but it is certainly to hot to handle.
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If you poke your head into its dev section (or more importantly, that of its 510 predecessor) you'll find it doesnt exactly qualify as good dev support.
The overheating issue is a pretty good reason to avoid it too.
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After already reading a few issues about I/O performance and some build quality issues how come people are still ordering the tablet? It would actually benefit us more if we STOP spending our money on flawed, quality control issue products then buying them up. The thing is, if we all keep just buying buying and buying no matter what condition the product is in, then nothing will really be done to resolve anything that ever comes up.
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Because many people are not motivated by anecdotal evidence. The hardware is identical to the prime except for wifi/gps fixes, the screen, and a faster tegra processor.
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Because many people are not motivated by anecdotal evidence. The hardware is identical to the prime except for wifi/gps fixes, the screen, and a faster tegra processor.
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I'm willing to try it out for 30 days lol. I want to see what kind of a mess I can get into
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I'm willing to try it out for 30 days lol. I want to see what kind of a mess I can get into
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Me too.........
Back to bash it again based on some complaints, which do not seem to be ash issue for most people? Do you work for Acer or what?
And why people are buying it, if io can be fixed, which some claim to have done, it's a beast.
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I'm waiting ...can't be sure the IO will get fixed. And who knows what else is lurking.
Why would I pay top dollar, hard earned cash, onto a flagship model they couldn't be bothered to design, manufacture or de-bug properly? Plus the track record with the Prime debacle doesn't help.
And I even seriously considered an iPad 3 over the weekend - sad.
Galaxy Note 10.1 (S-pen but no dock sadly) is just around the corner now and will be sharp competition - I've waited for the Infinity for so long so may as well wait a bit longer.
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Back to bash it again based on some complaints, which do not seem to be ash issue for most people? Do you work for Acer or what?
And why people are buying it, if io can be fixed, which some claim to have done, it's a beast.
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I don't understand the OP...he constantly complains about everything. If there's a major issue that isn't fixed before my 30 days is up, I'll think about returning it. It's that simple.
I/O performance is yet to be fixed on the TF201 or TF300t. It hasn't been fixed by Asus or in custom roms and kernels.
That said, the reason I bought the TF201(and possibly the TF700t) is because there is no alternative yet with a real keyboard dock. Yes there are bluetooth keyboards, but nothing compares to the transformer tablet/netbook keyboard dock with its additional battery.
The same reason you bought a prime knowing it had wifi issues.
Under normal usage scenarios, you will be hindered only minimally by the I/O issues; it's only when you really pay attention -- which xda frequenters do -- that you can notice, peep and measure all kinds of stuff. The charging keyboard dock is the main selling point of the entire Transformer series, and the TF700 is not an exception to that rule. Add to that the Full HD screen, a fast processor (although it does have to push more pixels) and its overall performance, and you do not have a real alternative at the moment.
As with all tech, if you wait to buy better, you'll wait forever. Just buy into something and enjoy. (Like with people, there are no perfect ones, are there? )
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Under normal usage scenarios, you will be hindered only minimally by the I/O issues; it's only when you really pay attention -- which xda frequenters do -- that you can notice, peep and measure all kinds of stuff. The charging keyboard dock is the main selling point of the entire Transformer series, and the TF700 is not an exception to that rule. Add to that the Full HD screen, a fast processor (although it does have to push more pixels) and its overall performance, and you do not have a real alternative at the moment.
As with all tech, if you wait to buy better, you'll wait forever. Just buy into something and enjoy. (Like with people, there are no perfect ones, are there? )
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so browsing websites is not normal usage? prime completely locks on content rich websites, ANR messages after some seconds. not only browsers, actually everything that does writes to the filesystem gives ANR messages.
this is not something that only xda members notice!
my girlfriend actually called my Tf201 a SLOMO last week ....! :banghead:
Her SGS2 pwns this device big time.
people on tf300 and tf700 are complaining too..
i think this will be solved in the near future, asus actually announced it in the forums of tf201 and the N7 which uses the same chips does not have issues.
but thats not a reason to downplay these issues - asus is afterall marketing these devices as 'performance beasts', which in most cases ; they arent.
Think for a moment of your favorite car. The car you only could dream about owning. And think that you one day have that car.
I would bet that even if it's your dream car, it would still have something that's wrong with it. But it would still be the best car you could have..
I've been using the infinity now for 2 weeks, and I love it. Yeah I see the io problem, but it's still the best Android tablet money can buy.
>That said, the reason I bought the TF201(and possibly the TF700t) is because there is no alternative yet with a real keyboard dock.
Lenovo IdeaTab S2110 is $500 w/ dock. 1280x800 display, but 1.5GHz Snapdragon 8960 should be an upgrade over Teg3. Dock is said to double battery life, so presumably it'll include a battery. Present status is pre-order.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008B264WW/
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so browsing websites is not normal usage? prime completely locks on content rich websites, ANR messages after some seconds. not only browsers, actually everything that does writes to the filesystem gives ANR messages.
this is not something that only xda members notice!
my girlfriend actually called my Tf201 a SLOMO last week ....! :banghead:
Her SGS2 pwns this device big time.
people on tf300 and tf700 are complaining too..
i think this will be solved in the near future, asus actually announced it in the forums of tf201 and the N7 which uses the same chips does not have issues.
but thats not a reason to downplay these issues - asus is afterall marketing these devices as 'performance beasts', which in most cases ; they arent.
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Like i said, its the same reason you bought a prime knowing it had wi-fi issues.
Tempie007 said:
so browsing websites is not normal usage? prime completely locks on content rich websites, ANR messages after some seconds. not only browsers, actually everything that does writes to the filesystem gives ANR messages.
this is not something that only xda members notice!
my girlfriend actually called my Tf201 a SLOMO last week ....! :banghead:
Her SGS2 pwns this device big time.
people on tf300 and tf700 are complaining too..
i think this will be solved in the near future, asus actually announced it in the forums of tf201 and the N7 which uses the same chips does not have issues.
but thats not a reason to downplay these issues - asus is afterall marketing these devices as 'performance beasts', which in most cases ; they arent.
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I do not suffer from any issues while browsing, and I'm not downplaying anything (actually, I'm one of the 'pushers' of the I/O issue in here, which you'd know if you had looked up my posts). It's just that under what I would consider most people's "normal usage patterns" (which differs significantly from ours!), the TF700 is not exactly blazing but not a slouch either. I do concur the SGS2 is faster for me, sometimes, but how do you test if that's due to WiFi throughput, disk I/O or some other factor. Besides, the TF700 has a lot more pixels to push, so it is not exactly a fair comparison, don't you think?
I messaged Gary Keys a few minutes ago asking if the TF700 is also one of the focuses of ASUS' I/O performance investigation, but until I get a definitive answer from him, I'd hold up on the conclusion they have any intent to fix this for the entire TF range.
I am an Android Fanboy....but the Vivotab Smart for $499 looks really nice and is full Windows 8. Is anybody else thinking about cheating on their Infinity Tabs?
It looks great, and I had the chance to try one a few weeks ago (in-store). It's a nice device, really, but the customer support on ASUS'part scares me off in buying one of their produtcs again.
(My main gripe with the 700 is the docking mechanism, and they seem to have used another type on the VivoTab. Still.. )
I like it too...
We had this discussion going before.
All the Windows tablet threads were shutdown however.
It looks nice, I initially had my hopes and dreams on it, but with ASUS reputation, I rather plonk the additional $300 and get the Surface Pro tablet.
Besides, what I read in reviews, the Intel Atom which I thought was going to be a much more improved generation made for this year, reports are that it struggles to playback Flash and other streaming video compared to the more powerful i5 core Surface Pro.
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It looks nice, I initially had my hopes and dreams on it, but with ASUS reputation, I rather plonk the additional $300 and get the Surface Pro tablet.
Besides, what I read in reviews, the Intel Atom which I thought was going to be a much more improved generation made for this year, reports are that it struggles to playback Flash and other streaming video compared to the more powerful i5 core Surface Pro.
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Indeed, the only technical reason I'd see for staying away as to specifications s the Atom processor used. The full Intel mobiles are so much faster! (Reportedly, most Atoms struggle at even the simplest of tasks.)
For the $$ to me the win8 tabs just aren't worth it with the ultrabooks sitting at lower prices now.
Been eyeballing the HP Envy x2 selling today for 749 usd.
I personally stay away from Intel Atom as far as possible. Furthermore, 1080p screen is the main reason I bought the tf700.
With that CPU? Hell no.
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(Reportedly, most Atoms struggle at even the simplest of tasks.)
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There's a science joke just waiting to be made in there somewhere...
i played for a couple of days with the Vivo, and just bought the wife a Pro and have to say everything I hated about RT and the whole setup is gone. I am not getting rid of my Infinity any time soon, but that Surface Pro is a screaming cool piece of kit.
I should have been more specific on the Thread Title. I am talking about the ME400 Smart which is full windows.
I think I might get one and test drive it. I am leaning 60-40% to get it. I am worried about the lack of apps and the speed. But the positive of the Atom processor is the battery life. I need to find somewhere with the White model locally in stock so I can return it easily if it is slow and laggy.
Putting things in perspective in terms of the the tablet you want to purchase.
If you need processing power, go with an ultrabook as several posters mention here. Prices are great, battery life is **pretty good**.
Remember, with ultrabooks, like any notebook, they require active cooling to go along with the power.
If you are looking for a alternative to an Android tablet, the Vivotab Smart is a great choice IMO.
I currently have a Galaxy Note that is running a custom ROM. It does pretty much anything I need an android device to do, even things in tablet mode through the benefit of the ROM I am using.
I was seriously considering the Note 10.1. Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 CPU is just outdated now compared to a quard core Tegra 3.
My main reasons for wanting (not needing :laugh a tablet: Do my web surfing, watch TV shows/Movies, listen to music, dabble a little in Word/Excel (nothing major), social networking and remote manage PC's on my network (Team Viewer/Real VNC).
I can do ALL of this on my Galaxy Note phone NO PROBLEM. However, I wanted a device with a bigger screen to do this, and use my phone as the tether device when necessary, and also save battery life to make that emergency call when I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere...instead of having a dead battery due to watching that extra episode of Battlestar Galactica.
I was thinking about an android tablet, but it was just too much of a direct extension of my phone. So I decided to look at Windows 8 tablets. My first choice was the Microsoft Surface RT. VERY VERY glad I did not go with this device. Fit and finish is spectacular. Hardware is debatable - personal opinions right? However, the functionality of Windows 8 RT is not much more than an Android OS, and the Google platform has MUCH more to offer than the RT platform right now. I have no patience in waiting for apps to be developed.
Surface Pro is a great option, since it is FULL Windows 8...however battery life is crap. 4-6hrs? Might as well go with an ultrabook.
With the usage that I was intending my tablet for, I needed something to last through the day. So I did not need to have a device that is eating away @ the battery life when it is doing nothing, just to power a high horsepower CPU.
That's where the ME400 comes in. Battery life? Spectacular! I listen to at least 2 hrs of music, do about 1hr of web surfing (cumulatively), watch about 1-2hrs of video, and still have AT LEAST 40% battery remaining after being on for 18hrs.
I've installed full Microsoft Office 2010, Real VNC, Team Viewer, Power ISO, some android OS related software to modify various Samsung Galaxy phones, a few gigs of music, 5-6Gbs of video and still have 11GB remaining. (waiting for my 64GB Micro SDXC!)
I can view full flash sites which most android tablets cannot, unless you stick with GB or ICS. (although flash is being phased out to HTML5).
And again, file management, network management is seamless as it is the familiar Microsoft OS interface.
The ME400 to me is a great compromise between processing power, battery life, and most of all price. @ $499 CDN, hard to get that much functionality for that price. I can do everything on my ME400 on my Android devices, and I can do almost everything on my Android devices, on my ME400. My only wish is to get Bluestacks working on the Clover Trail CPU so I can play some of my Android games on my ME400...but I don't think it will have the CPU/Graphics processing power to do it.
There's my 2 cents. :laugh:
I picked one up yesterday. So far the updating is a problem. Asus live update cannot connect to server and Windows update wouldn't download at first but over night it did. I think the tablet won't do a Windows update unless in standby with no other user actions. Probably due to the slower processor Windows update waits till the user isn't playing. But as far as the Asus live update not connecting at all, that may make the device a deal breaker for me.
Yes Asus screwed up the infinity Rom but the community here fixed that. If Asus update won't work out of the box with this I don't want it since we all know how bad Asus customer support is.
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I picked one up yesterday. So far the updating is a problem. Asus live update cannot connect to server and Windows update wouldn't download at first but over night it did. I think the tablet won't do a Windows update unless in standby with no other user actions. Probably due to the slower processor Windows update waits till the user isn't playing. But as far as the Asus live update not connecting at all, that may make the device a deal breaker for me.
Yes Asus screwed up the infinity Rom but the community here fixed that. If Asus update won't work out of the box with this I don't want it since we all know how bad Asus customer support is.
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The Live Update not working is a known issue. Reading old posts, apparently the Live Update did some bios updates that royally messed up the tablet. Perhaps Asus has taken the whole system offline until they get their drivers and updates in order.
My Windows updates were a little slow at first too. But eventually got through them as well.
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Here's my conversation with Asus Tech Support Live Chat.
After my response to Dominic's comment about the 24-48hrs, there was no response. I waited 5min I think, typed my thanks anyway message, then ASUS side dropped the connection. Go figure. <sigh>
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I've been playing with it all day and the best thing is the battery life after 8hrs of continuous use it still is at 25 %. But the lack of apps and not Google integration may be the death of it!
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I've been playing with it all day and the best thing is the battery life after 8hrs of continuous use it still is at 25 %. But the lack of apps and not Google integration may be the death of it!
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What sort of Google integration are you looking for? My emails are synced in with the stock mail app...although it is mediocre. Contacts are all loaded in People...
Google Talk, you can just install the app, albeit doesn't run in the Modern UI screen...I just have it synced with IM+ for that. Again, not the best choice, but will do the job for now.
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What sort of Google integration are you looking for? My emails are synced in with the stock mail app...although it is mediocre. Contacts are all loaded in People...
Google Talk, you can just install the app, albeit doesn't run in the Modern UI screen...I just have it synced with IM+ for that. Again, not the best choice, but will do the job for now.
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No metro apps to keep calendar and contact in sync.
I took it back to best buy, sticking with the Infinity.
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I should have been more specific on the Thread Title. I am talking about the ME400 Smart which is full windows.
I think I might get one and test drive it. I am leaning 60-40% to get it. I am worried about the lack of apps and the speed. But the positive of the Atom processor is the battery life. I need to find somewhere with the White model locally in stock so I can return it easily if it is slow and laggy.
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What did you decide? I've been using a Smart for a month or so now, and haven't had any lag issues. Storage can be a bit limited, I've installed Office 2010 Pro and then upgraded (for free) to 2013 (note: this upgrade process didn't uninstall 2010, so I now have both versions), dumped on 20 or so CDs, half a dozen movies and around a dozen apps and I only have 21gig left to play with.
Issues:
1) the screen is the worst for finger prints I've ever used - other than that viewing is ok
2) the windows button seems really unresponsive (on this particular model) - so I end up swiping in from the right and hitting the button from there
3) installing updated and upgrading Office seemed to take longer than I would have expected
4) finding the keyboard and cover (transleeve) isn't easy, I'm still using a cheap cover off eBay. If you have the option I'd buy with the kb and cover if I could start over again...
5) it doesn't come with the Micro USB to USB converter or the Micro HDMI to 9 pin (the Acer w510 has both in the box) - so a purchase off eBay is needed (and associated wait while shipped from China if you want a cheap one)
other that that, it's been all good. really like this little machine, does all I need it to!
kd
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What did you decide? I've been using a Smart for a month or so now, and haven't had any lag issues. Storage can be a bit limited, I've installed Office 2010 Pro and then upgraded (for free) to 2013 (note: this upgrade process didn't uninstall 2010, so I now have both versions), dumped on 20 or so CDs, half a dozen movies and around a dozen apps and I only have 21gig left to play with.
Issues:
1) the screen is the worst for finger prints I've ever used - other than that viewing is ok
2) the windows button seems really unresponsive (on this particular model) - so I end up swiping in from the right and hitting the button from there
3) installing updated and upgrading Office seemed to take longer than I would have expected
4) finding the keyboard and cover (transleeve) isn't easy, I'm still using a cheap cover off eBay. If you have the option I'd buy with the kb and cover if I could start over again...
5) it doesn't come with the Micro USB to USB converter or the Micro HDMI to 9 pin (the Acer w510 has both in the box) - so a purchase off eBay is needed (and associated wait while shipped from China if you want a cheap one)
other that that, it's been all good. really like this little machine, does all I need it to!
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ok, one more observation (which is both a pro and a con). There is only 1 micro USB which is also used for charging. Having the tablet use a micro USB for charging is a plus in that I can use my phone chargers (including existing car chargers etc) interchangibly. However, I didn't charge the tablet last night (plug was off at the wall) and it was dead this morning. I'm working from home, and can't connect my mouse at the same time as charging the device - which is a bit painful. My keyboard is full Bluetooth, so no issues there - but the mouse uses a USB dongle (which is std for most mouse at the moment) - I'll need to invest in a full Bluetooth mouse as well...
not a biggie, but something to consider for those looking to make a purchase (for example the Acer W510 has a separate charging point, so this wouldn't be an issue. but on the other side of the coin the micro usb car chargers etc wouldn't work.....)
Also it charges slower with the the standard micro USB.
The only thing that Win 8/VivoSmart added for me was the ability to use a SmartCard reader to authenticate in a web browser. But there was too many shortfalls in apps as a tablet interface. I would still want/need a tablet. Now If I didn't already have a full size ultra book then I would consider the VivoSmart due to price and portability. The goal of carry one device still eludes......
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Also it charges slower with the the standard micro USB.
The only thing that Win 8/VivoSmart added for me was the ability to use a SmartCard reader to authenticate in a web browser. But there was too many shortfalls in apps as a tablet interface. I would still want/need a tablet. Now If I didn't already have a full size ultra book then I would consider the VivoSmart due to price and portability. The goal of carry one device still eludes......
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Hey wpbear - not sure I understand your post ? The Smart is a tablet - doesn't come with a docking station - the keyboard (most often purchased seperatly) is more like the Surface, than a ultrabook...
I guess the app thing isn't really an issue for me. As the Smart is running full Windows (rather than RT) I'm not really using many apps at all. I tend to use full Office and Firefox.. Covers most of my needs.
Last night I purchased an HP 7 1800 tablet however at midnight this new tablet showed up for the same price. A Pioneer R1 7" tablet, has better specs and a dual-core processor for the same price. It also features Jelly Bean 4.2 instead of 4.1. Also features a mini-HDMI port which is a plus. I decided to cancel the HP order and get this one instead.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Computer/Tablet
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Looks decent and there's a good array of color choices too. I think it's a better choice than the HP for the same price.
EDIT: As of 12PM PST, it is still listed at $89.99. Not sold out yet, all colors available.
Updated it with a link from the Pioneer website instead of a direct Wal Mart link.
Thanks
Thanks for the heads up. I was looking for a tablet for my wife and this seems like a good deal. She wouldnt know the different between this and the best any plus for the price you cant beat it.
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Thanks for the heads up. I was looking for a tablet for my wife and this seems like a good deal. She wouldnt know the different between this and the best any plus for the price you cant beat it.
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No problem, it seems like a better deal than the HP so I wanted to let people know about it that may have wanted to buy a budget tablet.
Not a fan of colors but it leaves some good choices for those who don't want to be bland or plain black/white.
Anyone have any info on this platform, modding, rooting, etc?
Anyone have any info on this tablet?
Can't seem to find any software or much hardware info anywhere. If anyone has one it would be nice to shed some light on this thing.
Since nobody knows anything about this, I'll post a review with pictures when I pick it up on Monday.
Hoping I can root this and put a custom rom on it. KitKat would be awesome.
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won't consider it since I already got my IPAD, but thanks! ;D
This looks like a great inexpensive tablet. Thanks for sharing the find!
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won't consider it since I already got my IPAD, but thanks! ;D
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Thanks, that's very helpful!
Looks like a good deal! Please do post your thoughts!
Picked up the tablet today.
Right off the bat I am disappointed to say that there are marks and scratches on the screen right out of the box. The center is very washed out as well and super grainy. I honestly don't know how this would've gotten past quality control.
This is a big strike and I have contacted Wal-Mart about an exchange. I would go to the store I picked it up from but they don't carry this tablet in store.
So overall I'm not very happy right now considering I waited over a week to get this and it's already disappointing me before playing with it. Maybe I can exchange it for the HP tablet instead. Who knows. Pictures soon.
Where can I find the info necessary to see whether or not I can root this?
System info:
In Android System Info it states the board is a Gigabyte but doesn't give any other detail. Board is labeled as an R1.
CPU Model: Samsung Exynos 4412
GPU Model: Mali-400 MP
Kernel: Linux version 3.0.50-g5f580f3-dirty ([email protected]) (gcc version 4.6.x-google 20120106 (prerelease)(GCC))
Quadrant score.
So far app availability is meh. Can't even download Instagram.
Returned this for a full refund and spent a little more money to get the Asus MemoPad HD7. Should've done this to begin with I guess.
WTF!
Matt - Wish I came across your posting but me & you were on the same page about our purchase @ first. I figured pioneer. You can't go wrong. I am just looking for a tablet since its my first & if I could afford an ipad I would. Interesting that the both of our tablets were scratched up. I am angry as I waited a week & a half & I plan on traveling across the country in a week.
Matt - who from Walmart do I contact for a full refund?
I am still testing the product out but I am unhappy with the screen as well as the scratches. Not cool at all. All that I want is a good tablet for a noob to watch movies & read books.
Seriously, there arent many reviews since pioneer partnered with Walmart to bring this tablet out. I did extensive research before making my purchase.
I most likely will return & head to best buy. Unhappy.
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Matt - Wish I came across your posting but me & you were on the same page about our purchase @ first. I figured pioneer. You can't go wrong. I am just looking for a tablet since its my first & if I could afford an ipad I would. Interesting that the both of our tablets were scratched up. I am angry as I waited a week & a half & I plan on traveling across the country in a week.
Matt - who from Walmart do I contact for a full refund?
I am still testing the product out but I am unhappy with the screen as well as the scratches. Not cool at all. All that I want is a good tablet for a noob to watch movies & read books.
Seriously, there arent many reviews since pioneer partnered with Walmart to bring this tablet out. I did extensive research before making my purchase.
I most likely will return & head to best buy. Unhappy.
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I purchased it online. To return it I printed out an "easy return receipt" and returned it at my local Wal-Mart store for a full refund.
I went ahead and ordered the Asus Memopad HD7 from Wal-Mart, it was $139. Well worth the slight price difference for a much better tablet. Asus quality, great specs for the money and an amazing HD display.
mixwellers said:
Matt - Wish I came across your posting but me & you were on the same page about our purchase @ first. I figured pioneer. You can't go wrong. I am just looking for a tablet since its my first & if I could afford an ipad I would. Interesting that the both of our tablets were scratched up. I am angry as I waited a week & a half & I plan on traveling across the country in a week.
Matt - who from Walmart do I contact for a full refund?
I am still testing the product out but I am unhappy with the screen as well as the scratches. Not cool at all. All that I want is a good tablet for a noob to watch movies & read books.
Seriously, there arent many reviews since pioneer partnered with Walmart to bring this tablet out. I did extensive research before making my purchase.
I most likely will return & head to best buy. Unhappy.
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Bit late for both of you im sure, but did you remove the scratch protector thing that it comes with already on the screen? There is a plastic protective film that does indeed look like the screen is scratched up because its so perfectly applied that you don't even know it has one on it until you carefully scratch at a corner of the tablet and realize it can be peeled off.
Also wanted to add for anybody that finds this as some of the very limited info on this tablet out there, its realllly not worth it right now, while its not horrible, it surely has a cheap feel to the whole affair. It will do basic tasks without much fuss, but many apps are unavailable right now on the store, a lot of the more intense games will simply cause the tablet to lock up and require a hard reset (with the highly annoying pinhole reset button on the back, because we all carry something to poke that tiny button with on the go) even watching a few videos has thrown up a lock up on occasion. Its still serviceable for now, and it will do okay for my wife for the time being, but im much much happier with the Monster m7 I picked up for the same exact price (99 bucks) At least it has run every game and app ive thrown at it without a hitch so far which I simply cant say for the Pioneer.
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Bit late for both of you im sure, but did you remove the scratch protector thing that it comes with already on the screen? There is a plastic protective film that does indeed look like the screen is scratched up because its so perfectly applied that you don't even know it has one on it until you carefully scratch at a corner of the tablet and realize it can be peeled off.
Also wanted to add for anybody that finds this as some of the very limited info on this tablet out there, its realllly not worth it right now, while its not horrible, it surely has a cheap feel to the whole affair. It will do basic tasks without much fuss, but many apps are unavailable right now on the store, a lot of the more intense games will simply cause the tablet to lock up and require a hard reset (with the highly annoying pinhole reset button on the back, because we all carry something to poke that tiny button with on the go) even watching a few videos has thrown up a lock up on occasion. Its still serviceable for now, and it will do okay for my wife for the time being, but im much much happier with the Monster m7 I picked up for the same exact price (99 bucks) At least it has run every game and app ive thrown at it without a hitch so far which I simply cant say for the Pioneer.
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Just got this tablet as a present for a 7 month baby
Loves her mom's iphone, so I decided to get her this
Got it from walmart. The price right now is only $60
Came in today....the scratches on the screen are actually on a screen protector used by the manufacturer. It needs to be removed and a new one is included.
Went to the Playstore and 95% of the apps I use on all of my tablets are available for this unit...only a few were not.
Very happy with it...sometimes it feels a little slow, but then it picks up
I was able to stream 1080p movies using plex, with Directplay, no transcoding.
Temple run 1 and 2 run just fine and load quite fast
Very pleased for $60
Now, let the chewing begin :laugh:
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Just got this tablet as a present for a 7 month baby
Loves her mom's iphone, so I decided to get her this
Got it from walmart. The price right now is only $60
Came in today....the scratches on the screen are actually on a screen protector used by the manufacturer. It needs to be removed and a new one is included.
Went to the Playstore and 95% of the apps I use on all of my tablets are available for this unit...only a few were not.
Very happy with it...sometimes it feels a little slow, but then it picks up
I was able to stream 1080p movies using plex, with Directplay, no transcoding.
Temple run 1 and 2 run just fine and load quite fast
Very pleased for $60
Now, let the chewing begin :laugh:
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Really? Temple run 2 crashes within 5 minutes no matter how many times i try to reinstall it. Quite a few games randomly crash honestly, the thing gets HOT playing any games.
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Really? Temple run 2 crashes within 5 minutes no matter how many times i try to reinstall it. Quite a few games randomly crash honestly, the thing gets HOT playing any games.
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I don't normally play games...just install them for the kids
However, you just made me play temple run 1 for 10 minutes...testing this unit
It does get warm...but no crashes yet...I also watched about 20 minutes of a movie, through plex, 1080p MP4, direct streaming...no problems there either
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Also, On eBay, look up, Apad rubber case
It looks to be very similar to this pioneer R1 tablet.
I bought one, hopefully it will fit nicely